[05:24] hi bushtech inetpro Kerbero nlsthzn nuvolari Squirm theblazehen and others [05:25] hi Vince-0 too [05:26] Hi Kilos [05:26] * Kilos got a biiig job [05:26] design a website [05:27] great [05:27] sjoe i have no idea even where to start, so google gets some use again [05:27] http://www.thesitewizard.com/gettingstarted/startwebsite.shtml [05:28] never tried it myself so I won't be much help lol [05:28] lol [05:28] ill spend the day reading looks like [05:29] your drive arriving today? [05:29] learned for the first time what wysiwyg means [05:30] na waiting for ian to pay the couriers and he waiting for clients to pay him [05:30] Eish! [05:30] tough with new business you cant dump the clients you have to run after for payment [05:31] looks like peeps try get every day extra interest on their money before they pay [05:32] but let their readers or software give probs they are quick to call him out [05:34] good luck with your site uncle Kilos :) [05:37] ty nlsthzn i gotta find a drag and drop tool [05:39] will look at kompozer first, its starts with the right letter for kde [05:41] morning Kilos [05:41] morning nlsthzn [05:42] hi kbmonkey [05:42] ai! tarballs again [05:44] Kilos, you are building a site for Ian? [05:44] ya gonna try anyway [05:44] that is a nice hobby [05:45] but it must be a simple tool [05:45] im not going the tarball route [05:46] i need something that doesnt need me to know any programming language [05:47] sites.google.com has a easy wysiwyg site builder [05:47] and there you dont have to worry about setting up hosting [05:47] you can even buy a domain name (www.yoursite.co.za) and make it point to your google site [05:47] he has a host and domain name already [05:48] ah okay, smart man [05:48] does this mean the tool does the work [05:48] KDevelop is an easy to use integrated development environment for KDE. [05:48] It supports a wide range of programming languages and features project [05:48] management, an advanced editor, a class browser and an integrated debugger. [05:49] gee, kdevelop seems overkill [05:49] I don't think that it is wysiwyg either, it is all code stuff [05:49] sjoe [05:50] The application wizard can generate fully functional projects [05:50] for terminal programs and GUI programs using Qt, KDE or GNOME. [05:50] i like the gui bit [05:50] no website project? [05:50] im just reading what it says in the repos [05:51] just set up a wordpress blog perhaps? [05:51] a blog? [05:51] ^ what nlsthzn said :) [05:52] a simple cms - content management system [05:52] where you just write your posts / pages in wysiwyg. bazinga. [05:52] eish more big words [05:53] usually logging in to the hosted domain gives you a control panel where you can easily install such a CMS. poke around the control panel a bit... [05:53] morning [05:54] morning Squirm [05:56] haha he is clever, he wants me to design it here so he can check it before implementation methinks [05:57] sjoe [06:00] * kbmonkey nods and agrees [06:11] cms software is great [06:12] I used to use Joomla a fair amount [06:12] not so much Drupal [06:31] hi kodez [06:31] uncle kilos, how are you? [06:32] good ty and you kodez ? [06:32] i am better than yesterday, thanks for asking [06:33] hahaha [06:34] good thing if everyday is better than the last one [06:35] yes [06:36] i am moving closer to my goals even though i have detours [06:36] good [06:36] always many bumps in the road ahead [07:06] hi Spekko [07:07] lo ThatGraemeGuy [07:08] 'lo [07:31] Hi peeps [07:40] hi bduk1 [07:43] hi gremble [07:56] Hey Kilos [09:31] good morning [09:31] Maaz: coffee on [09:31] * Maaz flips the salt-timer [09:35] Coffee's ready for charl! [09:36] hi charl [09:37] Maaz: coffee on [09:37] * Maaz flips the salt-timer [09:37] Maaz: largest [09:37] Sorry Squirm, We have had a limit placed on coffee use. [09:37] Maaz: large [09:37] In a beer mug just for you Squirm [09:37] :/ [09:37] Maaz: larger [09:37] inna bucket for you Squirm [09:37] mwhahaha [09:38] lol [09:41] Coffee's ready for Squirm! [09:52] found something else out now [09:52] 3g modems kill pot plants close by [10:02] another urban legend in the making? [10:05] no man genuine [10:06] gee jy darem die goed water? [10:06] had 2 here and both near died so i put then outside last week and they starting to shoot again [10:06] ya man [10:06] hi Kilos [10:06] hi Squirm [10:07] hi bushtech [10:07] ek sal wag laat hulle mooi groei weer en weer in bring en kyk [10:07] hi charl [10:07] sounds more like they need a bit of sun [10:07] one is a curry leaf tree bush thing and the other is a tansy plant [10:08] my curry tree likes a lot of sun [10:08] curry leaf is a durban thing so i need to bring it in every winter [10:09] doesnt frosy kill yours? [10:09] frost [10:09] any horticulturalist on here that can help Kilos a bit? [10:10] lol [10:10] when we were in Jhb our curry tree became a 4m high monster [10:10] frost kills mine. i have had 4 brought up from durbs over the years and only the one i bring in every winter survives [10:12] so i got a shoot from that one and put it in a small pot here near my pc and it went backwards in 2 weeks [10:12] now in the sun its reviving [10:16] grrrrr vodacom [10:16] but the big one survives every winter in the lounge in front [10:16] haha [10:19] the bigger it gets the more frost resistant it gets [10:31] ah [10:43] haha microsoft brought the start menu back [10:43] we all knew it [10:43] windows 8 was a bigger screw-up than the versions of unity [10:51] good day [10:51] hi inetpro [10:51] charl: how much bandwidth did you say you have at home these days? [11:01] inetpro: 90mbps down and 9mbps up [11:01] ah, thought it was even more [11:02] inetpro: this is my current package https://www.ziggo.nl/alles-in-1/plus [11:02] inetpro: these are all the packages https://www.ziggo.nl/alles-in-1 [11:02] was just trying to tell people here that it's time for us to fight harder to get more bandwidth at cheaper rates [11:02] i had the faster one (180mbps down and 18mbps up) for a while but i decided to save the 10 euro per month (i don't need it) [11:03] keep in mind, this is EXPENSIVE cable bandwidth [11:03] if you have FTTH it's MUCH cheaper [11:03] so this is not something to go by [11:03] compare to http://www.breedbandarnhem.nl//thuis/snelheden [11:03] i live in a backwater part of NL where we don't have FTTH (yet) [11:04] but even some small towns in the region like enter have FTTH now so we're running very much behind [11:04] a town like enter has all of 7 thousand people living there, if they can have FTTH then everybody can [11:08] inetpro: also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbQj2PqDXnU [11:08] i think that's the way of the future [11:08] take the internet back from big companies [11:08] FTTH -> Faster Than Thermal-Hydra's? [11:08] lol [11:09] That would be pretty fast [11:09] I heard that termal-hydra's could reach five kilopascal in a mol [11:11] in sweden the prices are even cheaper http://www.bredbandsbolaget.se/bredband/alla-hastigheter.html [11:11] although, no it comes out at around the same price as NL after the first 12 months [11:11] i think that's about the going rate now, 1gbps for 100 euro per month [11:15] oh i just saw http://mybroadband.co.za/news/broadband/111082-sa-broadband-really-bad-and-really-good-news.html [11:15] haha [11:50] * Squirm looks around [12:04] * charl throws a pie at Squirm [12:04] haha [12:04] :D [12:04] steak and kidney please [12:05] * charl wants a cornish pie [12:05] nice links charl, thanks [12:05] np inetpro [12:12] I think I just found a flat [12:12] <5km from work [12:13] nice [12:13] quick jog mornings and evenings [12:13] have they got showers at work [12:15] ciao all [12:32] 3.3km [12:32] Kilos: I don't think so [12:33] pity , would be the answer that, no transport costs and get fit at the same time [12:33] or a 10min, slow cycle :P [12:33] lol [12:33] also thinking about getting a scooter [12:34] ya i saw you can get one for 6g [12:34] worked it out to be R150pm on fuel if I drive [12:34] ^^ [12:34] 6k [12:34] that's in a car [12:34] scooter will be like R60 [12:34] :P [12:34] thats not bad [12:34] so bad weather days you use the car [12:35] exactly [12:35] ya thats good. not many peeps have things so good [12:35] it's sharing a house [12:35] with a couple and another girl [12:35] thats fine too [12:36] but it's a step forward. once in town I can look around [12:36] it's just to get in [12:36] as long as each one does their bit [12:36] maid twice a week [12:36] if they are good peeps then you can stay there [12:37] sharing is the best way to cut costs [12:37] and you can fix their pcs if they cook for you [12:37] hehe [12:43] Fetched 37,3 MB in 51s (721 kB/s) [12:43] 8ta moving fine [12:44] im gonna look at blue griffon and see if i can understand that [12:46] oi it crashes [12:48] haha, yeah :P [12:49] sigh [12:49] maybe its one of those things that wants to reboot before it works [13:18] Squirm: I would definitely use a bicycle if I was you [13:20] * inetpro used a bicycle for first 5 working years as the primary means of transport [13:21] and that was about 7km per trip [13:23] and often got to the office before the cars [13:51] inetpro: yes [13:51] going to find one [13:51] I still want a scooter though :P [13:52] don't forget a scooter needs frequent maintenance [13:53] like every 2500km [13:54] obviously with your short distance that will take some time [13:57] yep [13:58] Scooters are for men that like to feel the wind against their vagina [13:58] :P [13:58] Just teasing of course [13:58] haha [13:58] gremble: scooters are for people on a tight budget that want to get 2.5l per 100km :D [13:58] gremble: I know [13:58] I won't feel very manly on a scooter [13:58] but it'll help [13:59] Maaz: 4*2*5*4 [13:59] Squirm: 160 [13:59] 160km per month [13:59] Maaz: 5*14 [13:59] Squirm: 70 [13:59] I want a motorbike so badly. I have to drive through Pretoria CBD every day to get to campus [13:59] R70 to fill the tank [13:59] and it is costing me an arm and a leg [13:59] so that is about R60 on fuel [13:59] maybe R50 [14:02] That is cheap. And the recent prolifiration of bikes on our roads also help in the safety sense [14:11] yep [14:11] dont let them put you off Squirm scooters are fine [14:11] Kilos: I know [14:11] :P [14:11] I make jokes about guys with scooters [14:11] :D [14:12] and there are some chicks riding around on harleys so there [14:14] meh [14:14] been chatting to a friend about bikes [14:14] mweb is a douch ISP [14:14] he says you can pick up a 125cc Honda E-Storm for R10k [14:14] motorbike [14:15] That is not too bad [14:15] saw that also had excellent consumption [14:16] something like 37km per litre [14:20] so guys [14:20] I have to say [14:20] I am moving to Cape Town! [14:20] hahaha [14:21] I'm happy now. Big relief [14:34] when you leaving Squirm [15:14] what does this mean [15:14] (synaptic:13874): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_child_watch_add_full: assertion 'pid > 0' failed [15:18] wbb [15:45] who's at the @FreeBeerSession tonight? [16:02] Bleh. Too far to drive for me :x [16:19] I'd have loved to go [16:19] free beer [16:19] :/ [16:19] Best kind of beer [16:19] Kilos: will arrive there, Saturday the 1st [16:20] now I want beer [16:20] oh so still this month to go [16:23] bushtech winter is terug [16:23] 8 c vanaand weer [16:27] Kilos: yeah :/ [16:40] Oct 2 17:26:18 P64 kernel: [ 412.968333] [UFW BLOCK] IN=wwan0 OUT= MAC=e2:04:2b:b5:aa:a5:00:00:00:00:00:00:08:00 SRC=83.170.73.249 DST=154.69.31.60 LEN=60 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=53 ID=59430 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=51579 DPT=3128 WINDOW=14600 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0 [16:40] what does that mean. is ufw blocking something? [16:43] i ran tail /var/log/syslog because bluegriffin crashes the minute i click file to make a new page [16:50] bluegriffin? [16:50] good evening [16:51] IP 83.170.73.249 on port 51579 talking to IP 154.69.31.60 on port 3128 is being blocked [16:54] sjoe well done. dunno how you worked that out [16:54] http://www.thesitewizard.com/bluegriffon/bluegriffon-1-tutorial-1.shtml [16:56] Kilos: just read the line man, it's all there [16:57] so where is this IP 83.170.73.249 [16:57] now which IP is which? [16:58] If bluegriffon crashes because an IP is being blocked, I would be suspicious of that editor [16:58] is one of then outside trying to get in here? [16:58] i dont know if thats the cause of the crash gremble but thats what tails shows [16:58] over and over [16:59] i gotta go eat will be back [17:25] ran tail again and here the output [17:25] http://slexy.org/view/s2U0WvUlvq [17:25] instead of free beer [17:25] I'm drinking wine [17:25] :P [17:25] bluegriffin not running so its something else trying to get in [17:48] hi StonedAlchemist [17:49] Kilos! How are ya? [17:49] good ty and you? [17:53] I'm well thanks [17:53] Bored tho. [17:54] go look at this http://slexy.org/view/s2U0WvUlvq and tell me whats trying to get in here [17:55] see if you can beat the pro at sorting it [17:56] ai! [17:56] lol [17:56] * inetpro gave up long ago [17:56] Kilos: you're trying way too many foreign trickeries [17:56] dis n manier om jou op jou tone te hou inetpro [17:57] trickeries? [17:57] trek warm aan more ne dit gaan heelwat koeler wees [17:59] inetpro you not allowed to give up man. you are my pillar [18:00] hosting a website can range from very simple to very complex, I would have to spend way to many hours explaining stuff [18:00] too man as well [18:00] no man not that [18:00] ai! [18:00] ian has a host already [18:01] i just want to try do a page [18:01] but that not anything to do with the slexy paste [18:01] thats tail output [18:04] or should i say syslog output [19:29] Kilos: sorry oom [19:30] * inetpro was on the phone the whole evening [19:30] vir wat inetpro ? [19:30] np my man [19:30] little time to talk here [19:30] i understand you have a life too [19:31] I really don't have a clue why you would have anything running which looks like a proxy on port 3128 [19:32] if indeed that is your local IP [19:33] hmm,,, [19:34] think it was kbmonkey who mentioned about running a site on google, that would be the simplest of all [19:34] now i forgot how to find my ip again [19:34] i cant have such a crazy one surely [19:34] do you have something like dyndns running on your side? [19:35] is that use for modem sharing? [19:35] in iptables [19:36] dyndns rings a bell [19:36] you see that is where I get lost, have no clue how you end up having to do such funny things [19:37] because i installed server on other pc and made it share this 3g modem with iptables [19:37] we don't drink pink drinks Kilos. Always keep it real! [19:38] hahaha [19:38] i couldnt get it to work with dhcp things [19:38] I read what is happening here and I get utterly confused [19:39] why gremble [19:39] iptables are the firewall rules baked into the kernel, how do you share an internet connection with them? [19:39] oh its quite tricky but works [19:39] I wouldn't recommend setting up a local webserver in your circumstances with no stable internet connection [19:39] nope inetpro stop now [19:39] lemme fill you in [19:40] ian has a domain name and host with hetzner [19:40] websites are meant to be connected all the time, don't do it at home unless you really know what you're doing and why [19:40] im not doing website here sir [19:41] ian wants to host a site at hetzner [19:41] they already accepted him [19:41] now he wants a web page [19:41] thats all i want to do [19:41] at home you can play around on virtual hosts where you can simulate the full stack, even with multiple virtual networks and all [19:42] well that IP address and the port 3128 just puts a mighty different spin on the whole thing [19:43] that must be from when i installed server on other pc 2 weeks ago [19:43] that pc is shelved for the moment [19:43] and then you come with bluegriffin as well? [19:43] * inetpro never heard of it before today [19:43] blue griffin is to try make apage for ian [19:43] ai! [19:44] sorry oom, but I'm lost [19:44] im trying to find a gui webdesign tool [19:44] blue griffon is a WYSIWYG webeditor [19:44] like Dreamweaver [19:44] so i can design a page here for ian to see and then implement if he is happy [19:44] he has no time [19:45] well if you don't want to learn coding I wouldn't go near anything that doesn't look like a modern online wizzard of sorts [19:46] Kilos: if he has a site with hetzer already, just play with the wordpress CMS [19:46] like google sites and plenty others [19:46] simple enough to get something going with that [19:46] All the coding backend has been done in PHP [19:47] exactly [19:47] then doesnt wordpress add their name to his link to the site [19:47] not that we love PHP but it works [19:47] sometimes [19:47] No [19:47] only if you host your site with wordpress [19:47] oh my im lost now too [19:48] he has a basic page [19:48] lemme try find it [19:48] Ok, sec let me try and articulate clearly before we all get lost in a hodge-podge of miscommunication [19:49] haha gremble im a mechanic [19:49] Wordpress is a content management system, a program that has a database of all the pages that you create for your website. It lets you select a single theme for the pages ect. [19:49] not an it guy [19:50] So when someone connects to www.ian.com, they get the site that you designed with wordpress, they don't get anything related to wordpress [19:50] Wordpress(TM) that is [19:50] just your site [19:51] ok so i design it on wordpress then copy it to his site [19:51] no [19:51] No [19:51] he installs wordpress on his site [19:51] ai! [19:51] and then you do it there [19:51] that ^ [19:51] oh my [19:51] Wordpress is a program that runs on the server [19:52] oh ok that makes sense then [19:52] and it's typically donw on a admin interface (which I call a wizzard interface of sorts) [19:52] done [19:52] so its not just a blogging site [19:52] Oh wait, which hosting plan did your son get kilos? [19:52] the small one [19:52] micro i think [19:53] Hetzner was nice enough not to enable wordpress on those sites [19:53] * inetpro hates these wizzards but they server a good purpose for many people [19:53] i have a html thingie here of the basic page [19:53] how do i show it to you [19:53] damn! What's wrong with my fingers today? [19:53] serve* [19:54] * inetpro has got to go [19:54] good night [19:54] again inetpro [19:54]