[05:24] <Kilos> hi bushtech  inetpro  Kerbero  nlsthzn  nuvolari  Squirm  theblazehen  and others
[05:25] <Kilos> hi Vince-0  too
[05:26] <bushtech> Hi Kilos
[05:26]  * Kilos got a biiig job
[05:26] <Kilos> design a website
[05:27] <bushtech> great
[05:27] <Kilos> sjoe i have no idea even where to start, so google gets some use again
[05:27] <Kilos> http://www.thesitewizard.com/gettingstarted/startwebsite.shtml
[05:28] <bushtech> never tried it myself so I won't be much help lol
[05:28] <Kilos> lol
[05:28] <Kilos> ill spend the day reading looks like
[05:29] <bushtech> your drive arriving today?
[05:29] <Kilos> learned for the first time what wysiwyg means
[05:30] <Kilos> na waiting for ian to pay the couriers and he waiting for clients to pay him
[05:30] <bushtech> Eish!
[05:30] <Kilos> tough with new business you cant dump the clients you have to run after for payment
[05:31] <Kilos> looks like peeps try get every day extra interest on their money before they pay
[05:32] <Kilos> but let their readers or software give probs they are quick to call him out
[05:34] <nlsthzn> good luck with your site uncle Kilos :)
[05:37] <Kilos> ty nlsthzn  i gotta find a drag and drop tool
[05:39] <Kilos> will look at kompozer first, its starts with the right letter for kde
[05:41] <kbmonkey> morning Kilos 
[05:41] <kbmonkey> morning nlsthzn 
[05:42] <Kilos> hi kbmonkey  
[05:42] <Kilos> ai! tarballs again
[05:44] <kbmonkey> Kilos, you are building a site for Ian?
[05:44] <Kilos> ya gonna try anyway
[05:44] <kbmonkey> that is a nice hobby
[05:45] <Kilos> but it must be a simple tool
[05:45] <Kilos> im not going the tarball route
[05:46] <Kilos> i need something that doesnt need me to know any programming language
[05:47] <kbmonkey> sites.google.com has a easy wysiwyg site builder
[05:47] <kbmonkey> and there you dont have to worry about setting up hosting
[05:47] <kbmonkey> you can even buy a domain name (www.yoursite.co.za) and make it point to your google site
[05:47] <Kilos> he has a host and domain name already
[05:48] <kbmonkey> ah okay, smart man
[05:48] <Kilos> does this mean the tool does the work
[05:48] <Kilos> KDevelop is an easy to use integrated development environment for KDE.
[05:48] <Kilos> It supports a wide range of programming languages and features project
[05:48] <Kilos> management, an advanced editor, a class browser and an integrated debugger.
[05:49] <kbmonkey> gee, kdevelop seems overkill
[05:49] <kbmonkey> I don't think that it is wysiwyg either, it is all code stuff
[05:49] <Kilos> sjoe
[05:50] <Kilos> The application wizard can generate fully functional projects
[05:50] <Kilos> for terminal programs and GUI programs using Qt, KDE or GNOME.
[05:50] <Kilos> i like the gui bit
[05:50] <kbmonkey> no website project?
[05:50] <Kilos> im just reading what it says in the repos
[05:51] <nlsthzn> just set up a wordpress blog perhaps?
[05:51] <Kilos> a blog?
[05:51] <kbmonkey> ^ what nlsthzn said :)
[05:52] <kbmonkey> a simple cms - content management system
[05:52] <kbmonkey> where you just write your posts / pages in wysiwyg. bazinga.
[05:52] <Kilos> eish more big words
[05:53] <kbmonkey> usually logging in to the hosted domain gives you a control panel where you can easily install such a CMS. poke around the control panel a bit...
[05:53] <Squirm> morning
[05:54] <kbmonkey> morning Squirm 
[05:56] <Kilos> haha he is clever, he wants me to design it here so he can check it before implementation methinks
[05:57] <Kilos> sjoe
[06:00]  * kbmonkey nods and agrees
[06:11] <Squirm> cms software is great
[06:12] <Squirm> I used to use Joomla a fair amount
[06:12] <Squirm> not so much Drupal
[06:31] <Kilos> hi kodez  
[06:31] <kodez> uncle kilos, how are you?
[06:32] <Kilos> good ty and you kodez  ?
[06:32] <kodez> i am better than yesterday, thanks for asking
[06:33] <Kilos> hahaha
[06:34] <Kilos> good thing if everyday is better than the last one
[06:35] <kodez> yes
[06:36] <kodez> i am moving closer to my goals even though i have detours
[06:36] <Kilos> good
[06:36] <Kilos> always many bumps in the road ahead
[07:06] <Kilos> hi Spekko  
[07:07] <Kilos> lo ThatGraemeGuy  
[07:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'lo
[07:31] <bduk1> Hi peeps
[07:40] <Kilos> hi bduk1  
[07:43] <Kilos> hi gremble  
[07:56] <gremble> Hey Kilos 
[09:31] <charl> good morning
[09:31] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[09:31]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[09:35] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[09:36] <Kilos> hi charl  
[09:37] <Squirm> Maaz: coffee on
[09:37]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[09:37] <Squirm> Maaz: largest
[09:37] <Maaz> Sorry Squirm, We have had a limit placed on coffee use.
[09:37] <Squirm> Maaz: large
[09:37] <Maaz> In a beer mug just for you Squirm
[09:37] <Squirm> :/
[09:37] <Squirm> Maaz: larger
[09:37] <Maaz> inna bucket for you Squirm
[09:37] <Squirm> mwhahaha
[09:38] <Kilos> lol
[09:41] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Squirm!
[09:52] <Kilos> found something else out now
[09:52] <Kilos> 3g modems kill pot plants close by
[10:02] <bushtech> another urban legend in the making?
[10:05] <Kilos> no man genuine
[10:06] <bushtech> gee jy darem die goed water?
[10:06] <Kilos> had 2 here and both near died so i put then outside last week and they starting to shoot again
[10:06] <Kilos> ya man
[10:06] <charl> hi Kilos 
[10:06] <charl> hi Squirm 
[10:07] <charl> hi bushtech 
[10:07] <Kilos> ek sal wag laat hulle mooi groei weer en weer in bring en kyk
[10:07] <bushtech> hi charl
[10:07] <bushtech> sounds more like they need a bit of sun
[10:07] <Kilos> one is a curry leaf tree bush thing and the other is a tansy plant
[10:08] <bushtech> my curry tree likes a lot of sun
[10:08] <Kilos> curry leaf is a durban thing so i need to bring it in every winter
[10:09] <Kilos> doesnt frosy kill yours?
[10:09] <Kilos> frost
[10:09] <bushtech> any horticulturalist on here that can help Kilos a bit?
[10:10] <Kilos> lol
[10:10] <bushtech> when we were in Jhb our curry tree became a 4m high monster
[10:10] <Kilos> frost kills mine. i have had 4 brought up from durbs over the years and only the one i bring in every winter survives
[10:12] <Kilos> so i got a shoot from that one and put it in a small pot here near my pc and it went backwards in 2 weeks
[10:12] <Kilos> now in the sun its reviving
[10:16] <bushtech> grrrrr vodacom
[10:16] <Kilos> but the big one survives every winter in the lounge in front
[10:16] <Kilos> haha
[10:19] <bushtech> the bigger it gets the more frost resistant it gets
[10:31] <Kilos> ah
[10:43] <charl> haha microsoft brought the start menu back
[10:43] <charl> we all knew it
[10:43] <charl> windows 8 was a bigger screw-up than the versions of unity
[10:51] <inetpro> good day
[10:51] <Kilos> hi inetpro  
[10:51] <inetpro> charl: how much bandwidth did you say you have at home these days?
[11:01] <charl> inetpro: 90mbps down and 9mbps up
[11:01] <inetpro> ah, thought it was even more
[11:02] <charl> inetpro: this is my current package https://www.ziggo.nl/alles-in-1/plus
[11:02] <charl> inetpro: these are all the packages https://www.ziggo.nl/alles-in-1
[11:02] <inetpro> was just trying to tell people here that it's time for us to fight harder to get more bandwidth at cheaper rates
[11:02] <charl> i had the faster one (180mbps down and 18mbps up) for a while but i decided to save the 10 euro per month (i don't need it)
[11:03] <charl> keep in mind, this is EXPENSIVE cable bandwidth
[11:03] <charl> if you have FTTH it's MUCH cheaper
[11:03] <charl> so this is not something to go by
[11:03] <charl> compare to http://www.breedbandarnhem.nl//thuis/snelheden
[11:03] <charl> i live in a backwater part of NL where we don't have FTTH (yet)
[11:04] <charl> but even some small towns in the region like enter have FTTH now so we're running very much behind
[11:04] <charl> a town like enter has all of 7 thousand people living there, if they can have FTTH then everybody can
[11:08] <charl> inetpro: also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbQj2PqDXnU
[11:08] <charl> i think that's the way of the future
[11:08] <charl> take the internet back from big companies
[11:08] <gremble> FTTH -> Faster Than Thermal-Hydra's?
[11:08] <charl> lol
[11:09] <gremble> That would be pretty fast
[11:09] <gremble> I heard that termal-hydra's could reach five kilopascal in a mol
[11:11] <charl> in sweden the prices are even cheaper http://www.bredbandsbolaget.se/bredband/alla-hastigheter.html
[11:11] <charl> although, no it comes out at around the same price as NL after the first 12 months
[11:11] <charl> i think that's about the going rate now, 1gbps for 100 euro per month
[11:15] <charl> oh i just saw http://mybroadband.co.za/news/broadband/111082-sa-broadband-really-bad-and-really-good-news.html
[11:15] <charl> haha
[11:50]  * Squirm looks around
[12:04]  * charl throws a pie at Squirm 
[12:04] <Kilos> haha
[12:04] <charl> :D
[12:04] <Kilos> steak and kidney please
[12:05]  * charl wants a cornish pie
[12:05] <inetpro> nice links charl, thanks
[12:05] <charl> np inetpro 
[12:12] <Squirm> I think I just found a flat
[12:12] <Squirm> <5km from work
[12:13] <Kilos> nice
[12:13] <Kilos> quick jog mornings and evenings
[12:13] <Kilos> have they got showers at work
[12:15] <charl> ciao all
[12:32] <Squirm> 3.3km
[12:32] <Squirm> Kilos: I don't think so
[12:33] <Kilos> pity , would be the answer that, no transport costs and get fit at the same time
[12:33] <Squirm> or a 10min, slow cycle :P
[12:33] <Kilos> lol
[12:33] <Squirm> also thinking about getting a scooter
[12:34] <Kilos> ya i saw you can get one for 6g
[12:34] <Squirm> worked it out to be R150pm on fuel if I drive
[12:34] <Squirm> ^^
[12:34] <Kilos> 6k
[12:34] <Squirm> that's in a car
[12:34] <Squirm> scooter will be like R60
[12:34] <Squirm> :P
[12:34] <Kilos> thats not bad
[12:34] <Kilos> so bad weather days you use the car
[12:35] <Squirm> exactly
[12:35] <Kilos> ya thats good. not many peeps have things so good
[12:35] <Squirm> it's sharing a house
[12:35] <Squirm> with a couple and another girl
[12:35] <Kilos> thats fine too
[12:36] <Squirm> but it's a step forward. once in town I can look around
[12:36] <Squirm> it's just to get in
[12:36] <Kilos> as long as each one does their bit
[12:36] <Squirm> maid twice a week
[12:36] <Kilos> if they are good peeps then you can stay there
[12:37] <Kilos> sharing is the best way to cut costs
[12:37] <Kilos> and you can fix their pcs if they cook for you
[12:37] <Kilos> hehe
[12:43] <Kilos> Fetched 37,3 MB in 51s (721 kB/s)
[12:43] <Kilos> 8ta moving fine
[12:44] <Kilos> im gonna look at blue griffon and see if i can understand that
[12:46] <Kilos> oi it crashes
[12:48] <Squirm> haha, yeah :P
[12:49] <Kilos> sigh
[12:49] <Kilos> maybe its one of those things that wants to reboot before it works
[13:18] <inetpro> Squirm: I would definitely use a bicycle if I was you
[13:20]  * inetpro used a bicycle for first 5 working years as the primary means of transport
[13:21] <inetpro> and that was about 7km per trip
[13:23] <inetpro> and often got to the office before the cars 
[13:51] <Squirm> inetpro: yes
[13:51] <Squirm> going to find one
[13:51] <Squirm> I still want a scooter though :P
[13:52] <inetpro> don't forget a scooter needs frequent maintenance 
[13:53] <inetpro> like every 2500km
[13:54] <inetpro> obviously with your short distance that will take some time
[13:57] <Squirm> yep
[13:58] <gremble> Scooters are for men that like to feel the wind against their vagina
[13:58] <gremble> :P
[13:58] <gremble> Just teasing of course
[13:58] <gremble> haha
[13:58] <Squirm> gremble: scooters are for people on a tight budget that want to get 2.5l per 100km :D
[13:58] <Squirm> gremble: I know
[13:58] <Squirm> I won't feel very manly on a scooter
[13:58] <Squirm> but it'll help
[13:59] <Squirm> Maaz: 4*2*5*4
[13:59] <Maaz> Squirm: 160
[13:59] <Squirm> 160km per month
[13:59] <Squirm> Maaz: 5*14
[13:59] <Maaz> Squirm: 70
[13:59] <gremble> I want a motorbike so badly.  I have to drive through Pretoria CBD every day to get to campus
[13:59] <Squirm> R70 to fill the tank
[13:59] <gremble> and it is costing me an arm and a leg
[13:59] <Squirm> so that is about R60 on fuel
[13:59] <Squirm> maybe R50
[14:02] <gremble> That is cheap. And the recent prolifiration of bikes on our roads also help in the safety sense
[14:11] <Squirm> yep
[14:11] <Kilos> dont let them put you off Squirm  scooters are fine
[14:11] <Squirm> Kilos: I know
[14:11] <Squirm> :P
[14:11] <Squirm> I make jokes about guys with scooters
[14:11] <Squirm> :D
[14:12] <Kilos> and there are some chicks riding around on harleys so there
[14:14] <Squirm> meh
[14:14] <Squirm> been chatting to a friend about bikes
[14:14] <gremble> mweb is a douch ISP
[14:14] <Squirm> he says you can pick up a 125cc Honda E-Storm for R10k
[14:14] <Squirm> motorbike
[14:15] <gremble> That is not too bad
[14:15] <Squirm> saw that also had excellent consumption
[14:16] <Squirm> something like 37km per litre
[14:20] <Squirm> so guys
[14:20] <Squirm> I have to say
[14:20] <Squirm> I am moving to Cape Town!
[14:20] <Kilos> hahaha
[14:21] <Squirm> I'm happy now. Big relief
[14:34] <Kilos> when you leaving Squirm  
[15:14] <Kilos> what does this mean
[15:14] <Kilos> (synaptic:13874): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_child_watch_add_full: assertion 'pid > 0' failed
[15:18] <Kilos> wbb
[15:45] <inetpro> who's at the @FreeBeerSession tonight?
[16:02] <gremble> Bleh. Too far to drive for me :x
[16:19] <Squirm> I'd have loved to go
[16:19] <Squirm> free beer
[16:19] <Squirm> :/
[16:19] <gremble> Best kind of beer
[16:19] <Squirm> Kilos: will arrive there, Saturday the 1st
[16:20] <Squirm> now I want beer
[16:20] <Kilos> oh so still this month to go
[16:23] <Kilos> bushtech  winter is terug
[16:23] <Kilos> 8 c vanaand weer
[16:27] <Squirm> Kilos: yeah :/
[16:40] <Kilos> Oct  2 17:26:18 P64 kernel: [  412.968333] [UFW BLOCK] IN=wwan0 OUT= MAC=e2:04:2b:b5:aa:a5:00:00:00:00:00:00:08:00 SRC=83.170.73.249 DST=154.69.31.60 LEN=60 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=53 ID=59430 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=51579 DPT=3128 WINDOW=14600 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0 
[16:40] <Kilos> what does that mean. is ufw blocking something?
[16:43] <Kilos> i ran tail /var/log/syslog because bluegriffin crashes the minute i click file to make a new page
[16:50] <inetpro> bluegriffin?
[16:50] <inetpro> good evening
[16:51] <inetpro> IP 83.170.73.249 on port 51579 talking to IP 154.69.31.60 on port 3128 is being blocked
[16:54] <Kilos> sjoe well done. dunno how you worked that out
[16:54] <Kilos> http://www.thesitewizard.com/bluegriffon/bluegriffon-1-tutorial-1.shtml
[16:56] <inetpro> Kilos: just read the line man, it's all there
[16:57] <Kilos> so where is this IP 83.170.73.249 
[16:57] <inetpro> now which IP is which?
[16:58] <gremble> If bluegriffon crashes because an IP is being blocked, I would be suspicious of that editor
[16:58] <Kilos> is one of then outside trying to get in here?
[16:58] <Kilos> i dont know if thats the cause of the crash gremble  but thats what tails shows
[16:58] <Kilos> over and over
[16:59] <Kilos> i gotta go eat will be back
[17:25] <Kilos> ran tail again and here the output
[17:25] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s2U0WvUlvq
[17:25] <Squirm> instead of free beer
[17:25] <Squirm> I'm drinking wine
[17:25] <Squirm> :P
[17:25] <Kilos> bluegriffin not running so its something else trying to get in
[17:48] <Kilos> hi StonedAlchemist  
[17:49] <StonedAlchemist> Kilos! How are ya?
[17:49] <Kilos> good ty and you?
[17:53] <StonedAlchemist> I'm well thanks
[17:53] <StonedAlchemist> Bored tho.
[17:54] <Kilos> go look at this http://slexy.org/view/s2U0WvUlvq and tell me whats trying to get in here
[17:55] <Kilos> see if you can beat the pro at sorting it
[17:56] <inetpro> ai!
[17:56] <Kilos> lol
[17:56]  * inetpro gave up long ago
[17:56] <inetpro> Kilos: you're trying way too many foreign trickeries 
[17:56] <Kilos> dis n manier om jou op jou tone te hou inetpro  
[17:57] <Kilos> trickeries?
[17:57] <Kilos> trek warm aan more ne dit gaan heelwat koeler wees
[17:59] <Kilos> inetpro  you not allowed to give up man. you are my pillar
[18:00] <inetpro> hosting a website can range from very simple to very complex, I would have to spend way to many hours explaining stuff 
[18:00] <inetpro> too man as well
[18:00] <Kilos> no man not that
[18:00] <inetpro> ai!
[18:00] <Kilos> ian has a host already
[18:01] <Kilos> i just want to try do a page
[18:01] <Kilos> but that not anything to do with the slexy paste
[18:01] <Kilos> thats tail output
[18:04] <Kilos> or should i say syslog output
[19:29] <inetpro> Kilos: sorry oom
[19:30]  * inetpro was on the phone the whole evening
[19:30] <Kilos> vir wat inetpro  ?
[19:30] <Kilos> np my man
[19:30] <inetpro> little time to talk here
[19:30] <Kilos> i understand you have a life too
[19:31] <inetpro> I really don't have a clue why you would have anything running which looks like a proxy on port 3128
[19:32] <inetpro> if indeed that is your local IP
[19:33] <Kilos> hmm,,,
[19:34] <inetpro> think it was kbmonkey who mentioned about running a site on google, that would be the simplest of all
[19:34] <Kilos> now i forgot how to find my ip again
[19:34] <Kilos> i cant have such a crazy one surely
[19:34] <inetpro> do you have something like dyndns running on your side?
[19:35] <Kilos> is that use for modem sharing?
[19:35] <Kilos> in iptables
[19:36] <Kilos> dyndns rings a bell
[19:36] <inetpro> you see that is where I get lost, have no clue how you end up having to do such funny things 
[19:37] <Kilos> because i installed server on other pc and made it share this 3g modem with iptables
[19:37] <inetpro> we don't drink pink drinks Kilos. Always keep it real!
[19:38] <Kilos> hahaha
[19:38] <Kilos> i couldnt get it to work with dhcp things
[19:38] <gremble> I read what is happening here and I get utterly confused
[19:39] <Kilos> why gremble  
[19:39] <gremble> iptables are the firewall rules baked into the kernel, how do you share an internet connection with them?
[19:39] <Kilos> oh its quite tricky but works
[19:39] <inetpro> I wouldn't recommend setting up a local webserver in your circumstances with no stable internet connection
[19:39] <Kilos> nope inetpro  stop now
[19:39] <Kilos> lemme fill you in
[19:40] <Kilos> ian has a domain name and host with hetzner
[19:40] <inetpro> websites are meant to be connected all the time, don't do it at home unless you really know what you're doing and why
[19:40] <Kilos> im not doing website here sir
[19:41] <Kilos> ian wants to host a site at hetzner
[19:41] <Kilos> they already accepted him
[19:41] <Kilos> now he wants a web page
[19:41] <Kilos> thats all i want to do
[19:41] <inetpro> at home you can play around on virtual hosts where you can simulate the full stack, even with multiple virtual networks and all
[19:42] <inetpro> well that IP address and the port 3128 just puts a mighty different spin on the whole thing
[19:43] <Kilos> that must be from when i installed server on other pc 2 weeks ago
[19:43] <Kilos> that pc is shelved for the moment
[19:43] <inetpro> and then you come with bluegriffin as well?
[19:43]  * inetpro never heard of it before today
[19:43] <Kilos> blue griffin is to try make apage for ian
[19:43] <inetpro> ai!
[19:44] <inetpro> sorry oom, but I'm lost
[19:44] <Kilos> im trying to find a gui webdesign tool
[19:44] <gremble> blue griffon is a WYSIWYG webeditor
[19:44] <gremble> like Dreamweaver
[19:44] <Kilos> so i can design a page here for ian to see and then implement if he is happy
[19:44] <Kilos> he has no time
[19:45] <inetpro> well if you don't want to learn coding I wouldn't go near anything that doesn't look like a modern online wizzard of sorts
[19:46] <gremble> Kilos: if he has a site with hetzer already, just play with the wordpress CMS
[19:46] <inetpro> like google sites and plenty others
[19:46] <gremble> simple enough to get something going with that
[19:46] <gremble> All the coding backend has been done in PHP
[19:47] <inetpro> exactly
[19:47] <Kilos> then doesnt wordpress add their name to his link to the site
[19:47] <inetpro> not that we love PHP but it works
[19:47] <inetpro> sometimes
[19:47] <gremble> No
[19:47] <gremble> only if you host your site with wordpress
[19:47] <Kilos> oh my im lost now too
[19:48] <Kilos> he has a basic page
[19:48] <Kilos> lemme try find it
[19:48] <gremble> Ok, sec let me try and articulate clearly before we all get lost in a hodge-podge of miscommunication
[19:49] <Kilos> haha gremble im a mechanic
[19:49] <gremble> Wordpress is a content management system, a program that has a database of all the pages that you create for your website.  It lets you select a single theme for the pages ect.
[19:49] <Kilos> not an it guy
[19:50] <gremble> So when someone connects to www.ian.com, they get the site that you designed with wordpress, they don't get anything related to wordpress
[19:50] <gremble> Wordpress(TM) that is
[19:50] <gremble> just your site
[19:51] <Kilos> ok so i design it on wordpress then copy it to his site
[19:51] <inetpro> no
[19:51] <gremble> No
[19:51] <gremble> he installs wordpress on his site
[19:51] <Kilos> ai!
[19:51] <gremble> and then you do it there
[19:51] <inetpro> that ^
[19:51] <Kilos> oh my
[19:51] <gremble> Wordpress is a program that runs on the server
[19:52] <Kilos> oh ok that makes sense then
[19:52] <inetpro> and it's typically donw on a admin interface (which I call a wizzard interface of sorts)
[19:52] <inetpro> done
[19:52] <Kilos> so its not just a blogging site
[19:52] <gremble> Oh wait, which hosting plan did your son get kilos?
[19:52] <Kilos> the small one
[19:52] <Kilos> micro i think
[19:53] <gremble> Hetzner was nice enough not to enable wordpress on those sites
[19:53]  * inetpro hates these wizzards but they server a good purpose for many people
[19:53] <Kilos> i have a html thingie here of the basic page
[19:53] <Kilos> how do i show it to you
[19:53] <inetpro> damn! What's wrong with my fingers today?
[19:53] <inetpro> serve*
[19:54]  * inetpro has got to go
[19:54] <inetpro> good night
[19:54] <Kilos> again inetpro  
[19:54] <gremble> Kilos: paste it with hastebin or slexy
[19:54] <Kilos> sleep tight sir ty for the help
[19:54] <Kilos> ill try slexy
[19:55] <Kilos> dont work
[19:55] <gremble> Well, I have some time tonight so if you want I can work on the markup for you
[19:56] <Kilos> its a world picture thingie called x.html
[19:56] <Kilos> lemme try picpaste
[19:57] <Kilos> eish that wont take it either
[19:57] <Kilos> gremble  can i mail it to you
[19:57] <gremble> sure
[19:59] <gremble> Well that was unfortunate
[20:00] <Kilos> what happened
[20:01] <Kilos> ive sent it\
[20:01] <gremble> I wanted to close another dcc chat, but accidentally gave my client the quit command
[20:01] <gremble> I received it
[20:01] <Kilos> lol
[20:01] <gremble> That is not very pretty markup
[20:01] <gremble> :P
[20:02] <gremble> Marquee has long since been deprecated
[20:02] <Kilos> can you see it
[20:02] <gremble> Yes
[20:02] <gremble> What is your favourite colour?
[20:02] <Kilos> ok then i must try make it better,
[20:02] <Kilos> mine is blue i dunno what ians is
[20:02] <gremble> Yes, and I plan on helping you
[20:03] <Kilos> he cant use his kde as that pc died so he is stuck on win7
[20:03] <gremble> Do you know what this site is for?
[20:04] <Kilos> yes he does them clock card machines and fingerprint readers and timekeeping stuff
[20:04] <gremble> Hmm, ok I will do something really general that you can then use to build the site with
[20:05] <Kilos> cool ty
[20:12] <Joe_knock> link to the html? Use plunkr.com
[20:12] <Joe_knock> or is it plunkr.co
[20:12] <Kilos> ill try
[20:13] <Kilos> i dunno
[20:13] <Kilos> Maaz  google plunkr.com
[20:13] <Maaz> Kilos: "Plunker" http://plnkr.co/ :: "Editor - Plunker" http://plnkr.co/edit/ :: "Plunker - Demonstration of Angular routing and templating." http://embed.plnkr.co/dd8Nk9PDFotCQu4yrnDg/preview :: "Why this angularjs example doesn't work on plunker? - Stack Overflow" http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15266052/why-this-angularjs-example-doesnt-work-on-plunker ::
[20:13] <Maaz> "Plunker Alternatives - AlternativeTo.net" http://alternativeto.net/software/plunkr/ :: "Plu…
[20:13] <Joe_knock> oom paste the html here: http://plnkr.co
[20:15] <Kilos> sjoe im trying to find where 
[20:17] <Kilos> must you login first
[20:17] <Kilos> or sign up 
[20:18] <Joe_knock> oom, paste die html code hier: plnkr.co/edit/
[20:18] <Joe_knock> no need to signup or login.
[20:19] <Kilos> sigh its not opening all the way
[20:19] <Kilos> just a white page you can do nothing in
[20:20] <Joe_knock> are there any buttons/menus on the page? It is just supposed to be an editor
[20:21] <Kilos> nope
[20:22] <Kilos> it opened now with firefox
[20:22] <Joe_knock> aah, it must be your connection (or a browser)
[20:22] <Kilos> opera
[20:23] <Kilos> i cant copy/paste the html thing there
[20:24] <Kilos> paste just gives the link on my pc
[20:24] <Joe_knock> that's strange. Are you highlighting all the html in the .html file?
[20:25] <Kilos> oh no sorry i tried to take the whole thing
[20:25] <Kilos> lemme open it first
[20:25] <Joe_knock> When you try pasting a file in the browser, you are taking a link to the file (from the system) and placing it into the browser.
[20:26] <Kilos> ok its there can you see it or must i do something more
[20:27] <Joe_knock> You need to provide me the link for it. First click "save" and then share that link with me.
[20:27] <Kilos> aha
[20:27] <Kilos> http://plnkr.co/edit/wz2LjGgbJsAIthC6rfM6?p=catalogue
[20:29] <Kilos> i had to open it with kate, it first opened with my browser and i saw the page not the text
[20:29] <Joe_knock> oom, you were supposed to paste it in the index.html :P
[20:29] <Joe_knock> but no worries, it ran. 
[20:30] <Kilos> where is the index
[20:30] <Kilos> the thing on the left
[20:30] <Kilos> where it says description?
[20:31] <Joe_knock> On the left, under "Files", it has index.html 
[20:31] <Joe_knock> is the site basically just some text (with some of it floating) ?
[20:32] <Kilos> oh i see it now. its very tiny
[20:32] <Kilos> that was what he did just to start it
[20:32] <Kilos> now wants a page designed there
[20:33] <Kilos> where he can put software for the readers and things
[20:33] <Joe_knock> oom, designing web pages can become difficult pretty quickly (especially if you are unfamiliar with html/css)
[20:33] <Kilos> and i spose a piece for photos of the readers and things
[20:34] <Kilos> i know nothing about any of it
[20:34] <Kilos> i can right click copy/paste quite good but thats it
[20:34] <Kilos> hehe
[20:34] <gremble> I will give you some resources to use a long with this
[20:35] <gremble> But hopefully this should be an example to get you started
[20:35] <Kilos> cfool ty gremble  
[20:35] <Kilos> cool too
[20:38] <Joe_knock> cfool :O
[20:38] <Kilos> typo
[20:38] <Joe_knock> Oom I can get you going with something "static", but gremble is right about using wordpress. It is plug and play. no coding.
[20:38] <Kilos> i got one old eye man
[20:39] <gremble> Joe_knock: the host is not going to allow hosting with wordpress
[20:39] <gremble> I am busy with a template for Kilos to play around with though
[20:39] <Kilos> ty gremble  
[20:41] <Joe_knock> Who/What is the host?
[20:41] <Kilos> hetzner
[20:42] <WOLFEYES> evening all
[20:42] <Kilos> hi WOLFEYES  
[20:42] <Kilos> gremble  Joe_knock  here he is
[20:42] <Kilos> tell him them things
[20:43] <Joe_knock> evening oom se seun.
[20:43]  * WOLFEYES listens
[20:43] <WOLFEYES> lol
[20:43] <gremble> You can hear text?
[20:43] <gremble> The tty whisperer :O
[20:44] <Kilos> hehe
[20:46] <Joe_knock> WOLFEYES: What host are you using and why wont they allow joomla/wordpress?
[20:47] <gremble> Kilos: I made another "under construction" site but this time with HTML and CSS and some comments that should get you going
[20:47] <Kilos> ty gremble  
[20:47] <gremble> If all else fails, just ask
[20:47] <gremble> I'm happy to help and you have my email now
[20:47] <WOLFEYES> Hetzner site and I don't see anything in there to allow such a program, but I could still run iton the pc and fix the web file and then upload it to the Hetzner server!
[20:48] <Kilos> i do but lots of guys forget im doff with this kind of stuff
[20:48] <Joe_knock> WOLFEYES: Wordpress is standard web. Can you link me to your chosen package?
[20:49] <WOLFEYES> How do I link you there?
[20:49] <WOLFEYES> It's the micro package
[20:50] <Joe_knock> WOLFEYES: Let me check the hetzner homepage. What is your package name?
[20:50] <gremble> Kilos: building a static webpage is not the difficult
[20:50] <gremble> It is just about playing with the structure in the end
[20:50] <gremble> It becomes hard when you want to do all kinds of fancy things like posts and social media integration
[20:51] <Kilos> oi its all hard for me man
[20:51] <Kilos> i can do sudo apt-get and aptitude and rsync quite well but thats about it
[20:52] <gremble> -_- gmail thinks that there is an executable in the archive that I am trying to send to you
[20:52] <Kilos> ai!
[20:52] <WOLFEYES> lol
[20:52] <Joe_knock> .tar.gz it instead.
[20:53] <WOLFEYES> rename the extension to 123
[20:53] <gremble> I did
[20:53] <Kilos> was it a .exe?
[20:53] <gremble> No
[20:53] <gremble> I only use linux 
[20:53] <gremble> no .exe files here
[20:53] <gremble> :P
[20:53] <WOLFEYES> lol
[20:53] <Kilos> so whats gmails prob then
[20:54] <Joe_knock> aah okay. Those packages are too small to make it worthwhile to support dynamic sites.
[20:54] <gremble> Dunno, but I sent you a link to get it from dropbox
[20:54] <Kilos> gracias
[20:55] <gremble> Joe_knock: you can make it dynamic, just throw in some javascript
[20:55] <gremble> :P
[20:55] <Joe_knock> gremble: ";D
[20:55] <Joe_knock> *:'D
[20:55] <gremble> Kilos: http://htmldog.com/ this is a nice reference to html and css
[20:56] <Kilos> ai!
[20:56] <gremble> Let loose your inner moziac making, needle working, housewife
[20:56] <gremble> :P
[20:56] <Kilos> i cant remeber things
[20:56] <Kilos> no short term memory
[20:56] <gremble> You don't have to remember anything
[20:56] <gremble> It is all written down already
[20:56] <gremble> :P
[20:56] <Kilos> haha
[20:57] <gremble> If you can apt-get and rsync, you can do html markup
[20:57] <Joe_knock> gremble: you a full-time programmer?
[20:57] <gremble> Oh lord no
[20:57] <gremble> I hate programming
[20:57] <gremble> :P
[20:57] <gremble> I do math
[20:57] <Kilos> haha
[20:58] <Joe_knock> you should leave the OOP then and do functional programming. It is math ;)
[20:58] <gremble> I see no need for me to learn functional programming
[20:59] <gremble> Programming for the sake of programming is not my cup of tea
[20:59] <Joe_knock> are you a professor? gremble 
[20:59] <gremble> No, still a student
[20:59] <WOLFEYES> thank you guys.
[20:59] <Joe_knock> i concur there gremble, it feels like insanity to code for fun.
[20:59] <gremble> I study applied mathematics
[20:59] <Joe_knock> WOLFEYES: I recommend you buy the R99 package.
[21:00] <gremble> It is a pleasure WOLFEYES 
[21:00] <WOLFEYES> I will buy the R149 when business picks up a bit.
[21:01] <Joe_knock> WOLFEYES: What business do you run?
[21:02] <gremble> I think a static page is excellent for a simple businesscard page
[21:02] <Kilos> how do i open that thing gremble  
[21:02] <WOLFEYES> Time and attendance, clock machines, software, payroll, networking, access control, and a little CCTV camera's.
[21:02] <gremble> It is not like you need an extensive blogging platform
[21:02] <gremble> Kilos: tar -xvf website.tar.gz
[21:02] <Kilos> ty
[21:02] <gremble> :)
[21:02] <Joe_knock> That's a lot of products :P
[21:03] <Kilos> he showed me this guys
[21:03] <gremble> You must be fun at Makro
[21:04] <Kilos> http://www.xsm.co.za/x/index.html
[21:04] <Kilos> thats what he did
[21:04] <Joe_knock> nice.
[21:04] <gremble> No
[21:04] <WOLFEYES> That is what I have managed to do so far, transforming a current site.
[21:04] <gremble> that is not what I did
[21:04] <gremble> haha
[21:04] <gremble> that is what someone else did
[21:04] <gremble> xD
[21:04] <WOLFEYES> lol
[21:04] <Kilos> ya ian man
[21:04] <gremble> AH
[21:04] <gremble> xD
[21:05] <Joe_knock> That actually works quite well.
[21:05] <Kilos> i  still trying to get to tar that thing
[21:05] <Joe_knock> Just try to remove everything from living in folder "x" and make it live under public_html
[21:05] <gremble> The template on the site is much more extensive than the silly one that I made
[21:05] <gremble> Just use that instead
[21:05] <Kilos> i gotta put the path to it in as well right
[21:06] <Joe_knock> oom, go to the folder where the tarball is, right click on it and either open it first or do a direct extraction.
[21:08] <Kilos> ok got that ty
[21:08] <Kilos> so what is the diffs
[21:08] <gremble> What diffs?
[21:09] <Kilos> i see the welcome message on the top left now , it was centre before
[21:10] <Kilos> and funny steripes running across
[21:10] <Kilos> stripes
[21:10] <gremble> Yes. Same page, better mark-up
[21:10] <Kilos> Joe_knock  gremble  youve seen what ian did so far, just guide him in the right direction please
[21:10] <gremble> What he did so far looks pretty good
[21:10] <Kilos> tell him what to use and what not to use
[21:11] <gremble> WOLFEYES: just go make sure that all your links point to the right places. I see the links for the social networking stuff point to the place where you got the template from
[21:11] <Joe_knock> Based on the template, is everything written purely in HTML or is there some templating?
[21:11] <WOLFEYES> http://www.xsm.co.za/x/C.html
[21:12] <WOLFEYES> that is what it originally looked like
[21:12] <Joe_knock> There's actually quite a bit of editing needed to be done here.
[21:12] <WOLFEYES> nods
[21:12] <WOLFEYES> A lot
[21:13] <gremble> Looks better than my website at the moment :P
[21:13] <WOLFEYES> I'm only on the first page. 
[21:13] <gremble> Mine is just a django template
[21:13] <gremble> xD
[21:13] <Joe_knock> Okay let's start with index.html. 
[21:13] <WOLFEYES> Even though there ismore they need to be changed
[21:13] <Joe_knock> First, change the site title. It currently says: Helicopter Transportation Website
[21:14] <Joe_knock> *Template
[21:15] <WOLFEYES> http://www.xsm.co.za/x/index.html
[21:15] <WOLFEYES> done!
[21:16] <gremble> WOLFEYES: is there PHP at the backend for that message form at the bottom?
[21:17] <WOLFEYES> How is php written?
[21:17] <WOLFEYES> Looks like html.
[21:17] <gremble> So I don't think that form works
[21:18] <gremble> Did you get an email from me? :P
[21:18] <WOLFEYES> I don't think so either, 
[21:18] <gremble> Ya, you can take the form out
[21:18] <WOLFEYES> but I am getting there
[21:18] <gremble> You don't want people to use that anyway, those forms are exploitable
[21:18] <WOLFEYES> how can I get it to work? or somthing similar?
[21:19] <gremble> with some backend php
[21:19] <WOLFEYES> mmmm
[21:20] <gremble> Anyway, I should probably hit the sack
[21:20] <gremble> I have class tomorrow
[21:21] <Kilos> ty for the help gremble  
[21:21] <gremble> No problem
[21:21] <Kilos> sleep tight and have a good day tomorrow
[21:22] <WOLFEYES> night guys and thank you
[21:22] <WOLFEYES> form out -
[21:23] <Kilos> whats the link now WOLFEYES  ?
[21:23] <WOLFEYES> http://www.xsm.co.za/x/index.html
[21:24] <Kilos> so what changed
[21:24] <WOLFEYES> lol
[21:25] <Kilos> haha
[21:25] <Kilos> look same to me
[21:25] <WOLFEYES> Look in the tab right in the top of the window
[21:25] <WOLFEYES> Now says "Time and Attendance - Xsm"
[21:25] <WOLFEYES> and the form is out the bottom
[21:27] <Kilos> where you see "Time and Attendance - Xsm"
[21:27] <Kilos> i dont see -XSM
[21:27] <Kilos> eish look at the time
[21:29] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[21:30] <WOLFEYES> Night night everyone