[06:20] good morning [06:29] i did again reboot etc. but the issue with this strange sound stays + notofication icon in systray always "loading" [06:30] *plasma 5.1 b [07:12] soee: did you update again? [07:18] ah, that's what I need to do [07:18] update the test lappy [07:19] Good morning. [07:19] shadeslayer, Riddell: so who is going to fix the maintainers? [07:21] while watching the doctor [07:21] valorie: The new season? [07:21] no, watching old ones [07:21] "the doctor dances" [07:23] pft [07:23] there is only one way to dance [07:24] and that is like a drunk giraffe [07:24] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2CMZFIa4sU [07:25] are you my mummy? [07:25] soooo creepy [07:26] Ah that one. That one is lovely ;) [07:28] indeed [07:31] apachelogger: i did this moring all update sthat were available [07:31] fun [07:31] a spinning notification icon at some point meant that you have pending kio jobs [07:31] hmm [07:32] question is how one can have kio jobs that never go away and that right after login ^^ [07:40] updates went great - this is from the plasma 5 laptop [07:40] tsdgeos: sorry about the branding mistake yesterday [07:40] kf5 konvi, for sure [07:43] anything in particular that needs checking? [07:47] valorie: if you open extended view of systray [07:47] do you have any strange sound ? :) [07:48] by extended view, do you mean edit systray? [07:49] interesting, I can't edit the systray [07:49] the stacked lines do nothing today [07:50] except change from gray to black on hover [07:50] no tooltips either [07:50] kmenu doesn't work [07:50] the little blue selection line goes over it, but that's it [07:51] also, I installed konversation, but it is the same version I have on my 14.04 laptop [07:52] and the help menu says I'm using Platform version 4.14.1 [07:53] well, I'll send this to the list, or at least to myself, so I can check it in my neon5 session [07:55] konversation has not been released. [07:55] I thought you had it packaged for plasma 5? [07:55] no [07:55] I had it packaged for neon [07:56] hmmm, it is the same in neon5..... but you mean old neon [07:56] got it [07:56] no [07:56] in neon you need to install a spearate package [07:56] odd that the KDE versioning is wrong though [07:56] oh? [07:57] communities do not get versioned :P [07:57] ah [07:57] so I could install it in neon5? [07:57] I would love that [07:57] exactly the same way you installed it before [07:57] why do you want konversation frameworks anyway [07:58] but I did reinstall it in neon5 [07:58] no differences [07:58] I do not follow [07:58] except that it picked up none of my setup [07:58] valorie: are you on utopic or on trusty? [07:58] right now, typing from the utopic + Plasma 5 laptop [07:59] and you are instaling project-neon5-konversation on trusty? [07:59] the regular laptop is trusty with a neon5 session [07:59] I didn't try that [07:59] but I did reinstall it in neon5 [07:59] what did you do there then? [07:59] just installed konversation [08:00] in neon you need to install a spearate package [08:00] cool [08:00] I'll do that as soon as I update that computer and restart to the neon5 session [08:09] hola [08:11] apachelogger: why do you need maintainers changed? I'm happy to just override them [08:11] Riddell: how do you override them? [08:12] apachelogger: kubuntu-automation/lintian-ignore.json [08:12] Riddell: also, there was this policy or another that ubuntu versions need an ubuntu maintainer [08:12] also, lintian-ignore.json will not make my builds work [08:13] so if I do debuild outside automation lintian will still throw up in my face [08:18] apachelogger: I don't recall that policy, one of the purposes of ubuntu was to do away with debian style maintainers [08:18] best fix your scripts? [08:19] it's not about scripts, it's about the fact that a) debian is not maintaining those specific packages b) as a developer I cannot ever produce a lintian clean package right now because of the shit override in automation [08:20] I don't understand a) so what and b) so what ? [08:20] lintian is imperfect, you're never going to get it clean, that's why we have the override file [08:21] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebianMaintainerField [08:21] Riddell: no we don't [08:21] or ratehr [08:21] if we do then we might as well like not run lintian [08:22] the global override should override things that are inherit to automation (which equals none) [08:22] kci has 0 overrides and gets lintian clean builds [08:23] so, considering I can do it continiously I am reasonable certain we can make it happen for releases [08:23] the piling up of shit workarounds pisses me off so epically [08:27] I disagree it's a problem, those a are unused fields in ubuntu, let debian do whatever they want with them [08:28] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebianMaintainerField [08:29] Riddell: the solution then is to get lintian fixed, isn't it? [08:29] wow, I like mkusb for making usb keys [08:29] shrug, go ahead [08:30] just made the two betas [08:30] now to test some stuff in the neon5 session [08:31] valorie: can you alo tets one more thing: [08:31] in plasma 5.1beta try to logout and login again [08:31] for me after logout/login plasmashell did not start [08:32] erk [08:32] soee_: do you have plasma-desktop installed? [08:32] Riddell: well it should be i upgraded form plasma 5.0.2 [08:33] there was though problem with ksysguarg package only, that i need to use force overwrite [08:33] what problem? [08:33] but i imformed about it sgclark yesterday [08:35] Riddell: but the plasma start problem happend for me from time to time after some updates [08:35] *plasmashell [08:36] well meybe not whole plasmashell, im not sure [08:36] i can type ALT+f2 and run yakuake from krunner that from yakuake start plasmashell [08:36] *than [08:37] so my panels etc are loaded [08:38] hum, well I'll try it shortly [08:38] soee_: where are you installing it from? [08:39] beta ? from next-staging [08:39] morning [08:40] hiho sgclark [08:41] hola sgclark [08:41] I had to install plasma-desktop separately, which should not be [08:42] that was part of the whole repair process I reported, i thought [08:43] also sni-qt [08:43] again, that should have been automatically installed [08:44] plasma-workspace, and plasma-desktop [08:54] valorie: sudo apt install kubuntu-plasma5-desktop [08:55] that didn't do the job [08:55] yes, I did that [08:55] I followed the instructions [08:55] but it was broken...... [08:55] ? [08:55] I fixed it be doing it all again, after restarting [08:55] actually sni-qt probably wouldn't be pulled in [08:55] AND adding those files as well [08:56] becuase that would then pull in qt4 [08:56] then again we do that anyway [08:56] without sni-qt, the icons were partly broken [08:56] that helped [08:56] I'll argue that they are broken upstream :P [08:56] Riddell: ^ sni-qt needs to get on the seed [08:57] could be, but kubuntu-plasma5-desktop did not install plasma-workspace & plasma-desktop [08:58] in fact, plasma-desktop was held back until I went through the process again, and installed them both by name [08:58] that doesn't sound good [08:58] sni-qt isn't on the kubuntu or the kubuntu-plasma5 seeds [08:58] that seems improbable considering kubuntu-plasma5-desktop *depends* plasma-desktop [08:58] well, it's fixed, but the packaging might be faulty [08:59] Riddell: it needs to be [08:59] as per upstream instructions WRT systray compatibility [08:59] I was rather disbelieving, however, desperate to fix it, and it was broken, so why not try? [09:00] there is *no* way to install kubuntu-plasma5-desktop without having plasma-desktop installed [09:00] apachelogger: but plasma4 doesn't need it? [09:00] Riddell: correct [09:01] apachelogger: I think what happened is that something was broken and things were reported to be installed, but were not [09:02] in fact it was in a loop, asking me to install the same stuff over and over again [09:02] remember, this was the upgrade from the 14.10 beta image [09:02] I couldn't possibly say without /var/log/apt/* and /var/log/dpkg* [09:02] apachelogger: maybe plasma-desktop should depend on it? [09:02] not a direct install [09:02] Riddell: on sni-qt? [09:03] apachelogger: yeah [09:03] I pondered on that a while back... the relationship would be incorrect and link plasma5 to qt4 [09:03] IMO qt4 itself should recommend sni-qt [09:04] if you have no qt4 installed sni-qt makes no sense, if you have qt4 installed and are using plasma5|unity it makes sense to have sni-qt installed as well though [09:04] it's the kind of relationship that is terrible to express in packaging [09:07] seed it is then [09:23] hi guys! [09:23] how is it going 2day? [09:23] Riddell: how about Plasma 5.1 ;-) [09:26] Antisound: should be about rest to test for the brave [09:28] Riddell: wtf... that sentence makes no sence for me ;-) [09:28] sorry [09:28] I think he means about ready.. [09:28] okay [09:28] Riddell: those new packages, they in git? [09:29] sgclark: kdeplasma-addons as a tar [09:29] on depot or download.kde.org [09:30] * Antisound is pretty excited for Plasma Beta [09:30] Riddell: ok, putting my name down on that then. After these copyright fixes [09:30] Riddell sgclark thanks for your hard work! ;-) [09:30] sgclark: kde-gtk-config is at https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/workspace/kde-gtk-config and has no tar because it was moved to workspace after I made the beta [09:31] ok [09:31] sgclark: kde-gtk-config will have packaging for the kde4 version that can be updated or cherry picked for the kf5 version [09:31] noted [09:33] argh, debian policy has spaces, and yet lintian still screams. http://paste.ubuntu.com/8484689/ [09:34] sgclark: that seems fine to me, what's lintian saying? [09:34] Riddell: have you already made up a license when they have the option of v3? [09:34] spaces [09:35] sgclark: I don't understand "have you already made up a license..." [09:36] sgclark: but you're allowed to have " or " between licences, arg! [09:36] like the eV ones [09:36] if it's "GPL 2 or 3 or later as approved by e.v." I use GPL-KDEeV [09:37] treating it as 1 licence option in the same way as "gpl 2 or later" is treated as GPL-2+ [09:40] sgclark: I worked out a patch for the issue where oxygen installed unused files [09:40] apachelogger: re maintainers, I guess I can do it today [09:40] adding [09:41] shadeslayer: sune said it'd be ok to keep the maintainer as it is in debian, so we might want to look into making lintian not go bonkers over that instead [09:42] * Antisound is upgrading to Plasma 5.0.95 [09:42] Antisound: using kubuntu-ppa/next-staging ? [09:42] jop [09:42] not good? [09:43] Antisound: good, look us know how it goes, but don't publicise that ppa as it is only for building/initial verification [09:43] i know ;-) [09:43] i'm going to tell you how it is working [09:43] also remove the ppa once done with testing [09:43] ok [09:49] so, ... got to reboot... ttyl ;-) going to update you soon! [09:50] Riddell: quite offtopic, but, is there some online store or other method I could use to purchase kilts? [09:51] Tm_T: um, probably lots, but they're expensive things to buy generally [09:52] I've used these people http://www.hector-russell.com/ [09:53] Riddell: I was wondering if I could get atleast one before visiting England [09:54] you'll struggle to find one in England for sure [09:55] yeah, same here in Finland, shorter "painter's skirt" is available easily, but it's all-white [09:55] I'm not into nurse look [09:56] there are utilikilts which aren't expensive [09:56] because they aren't wool [09:57] I've even seen camo utilikilts [09:57] they're pretty cool [09:58] literally [09:58] :-) [09:58] rather popular up here in the Seattle area [09:58] ah nice this got updated http://www.ubuntu.com/about/about-ubuntu/flavours [10:00] excellent, at least one thing accomplished.... [10:01] oh good lord, it's 3am [10:01] at least I confirmed a plasma 5 bug [10:02] apachelogger: I was unable to install or run project-neon5-konversation [10:02] "already newest version" [10:02] but no way to run it [10:15] 5.1 beta installed and running fine for me, but no wallpaper! [10:17] I can select it fine [10:19] but no return of Antisound, should we be worried? [10:19] sgclark: have you tried it out? [10:20] not yet. will here in a sec [10:20] Antisound did not returned [10:20] packaging in plasma5 and don't want a broken system lol [10:20] ah you wrote it already [10:20] very sensible :) [10:39] Riddell: ok so kdeplasma-addons also has a kde4 version, do I rename these packages or ? [10:42] sgclark: nah, this is a new version [10:43] sgclark: so I think use the existing packaging as a starting point [10:44] Riddell: break and replace the 4 series? [10:44] Tm_T: annoying person in #kubuntu using web interface, you might want to use your freenode contacts to ban his ip [10:45] sgclark: use the same .deb package names where it makes sense [10:49] "-- The following OPTIONAL packages have not been found: PackageKitQt5" ah yes, that [12:03] back again [12:03] Riddell: i've no good news! kubuntu didn't boot up anymore after upgrading [12:04] uh oh [12:04] Antisound: what happens? [12:05] it hung @ something with uuid generator [12:05] or something like this [12:05] i think that's just before it switches to graphical interface [12:06] wibble [12:06] could be an issue with SDDM? [12:06] maybe... [12:07] i don't know how to provide more information [12:07] Riddell: if you tell me how, i'm going to try again [12:13] Antisound: is kubuntu-plasma5-desktop installed? [12:13] i reinstalled kubuntu [12:13] still have 5.0.2 [12:14] Riddell: i try it again... [12:17] http://paste.ubuntu.com/8485472/ [12:17] Riddell: thats what i want's to install or not ;-) [12:18] it's german, i hope you understand everything [12:18] they looks like good things to install [12:19] but why it says kubuntu-plasma5-desktop gets restrained? [12:19] among the other packages [12:20] do another apt-get update, perhaps something was building at the time you did? [12:21] maybe I'm misreading [12:21] Antisound: export LANG=C; run your command again and include the command in your pastebin [12:21] w8 plz [12:22] http://paste.ubuntu.com/8485490/ [12:22] u c [12:24] Riddell: that sounds not right somehow or am i wrong? [12:25] Antisound: apt full-upgrade [12:25] is your friend [12:25] sudo apt full-upgrade [12:26] Riddell: ok [12:26] what to do if x won't start again? [12:29] panic? [12:29] run sudo start sddm [12:29] check logs in /var/log/syslog and /var/log/sddm.log [13:57] hiho [13:57] i did all the upgrades here for plasma 5.1 beta [13:58] and the issue with strange sound when browsking extended view of systray is gone, also the notification spinner does not load all the time [13:58] so both issues are fixed for me :) [13:58] ill test logout/login now [14:02] * Riddell holds breath [14:03] :| [14:04] ok i did logout/login, plasmashell does not starts, i have black screen with cursor visible, krunner works, if i run plasmashell manually it starts but non of teh reboot, logout buttons work, also the issue with strange sound and loading notification spinner is back [14:05] oh wibble [14:05] this isn't sounding good [14:05] soee: I assume you have kubuntu-plasma5-desktop installed? [14:06] Riddell: yes [14:06] but i must test one more thing, turn off lapton not reboot [14:06] brb [14:08] ok this changes nothing [14:09] i thing the problem with this strange sounf might be related to battery, im connected to power and battery is full though, in systray the icon is strange [14:09] one second [14:21] Riddell: [14:21] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzOpAXJqNyk === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [14:31] soee: what am I ment to see? [14:31] text is pretty fuzzy [14:34] hi guys! back again [14:34] no way to getting it run! [14:34] hi Antisound [14:34] waa [14:34] :) [14:34] I'm going to install a plasma5 image from today and do an upgrade [14:34] on boot got to start it via konsole [14:34] startx [14:34] Riddell: just showing the strange icon for battery section and the notification spinner that loads all th etime [14:35] then every program closes unexpected [14:36] soee: what should it show? [14:36] valorie: mkusb seems like the weirdest UI ever [14:38] Riddell: might be a good idea [14:40] haha source: no-human-maintainers, so I am confused, what are the new Maintainers: suppose to have? [14:40] sgclark: the robots have taken over! [14:40] lol [14:40] sgclark: I just ignore that, it's overriden in kubuntu-automation for the qa page [14:40] ok [14:40] of course shadeslayer disagree [14:42] Riddell: i just wanted to show what i descriped how this 2 items in systrah behave [15:10] installed plasma5 iso, 5.0.2 running fine [15:10] added next-staging and full-upgrade [15:10] all installs [15:10] rebooted [15:10] all fine [15:10] don't know what you're all moaning about :) [15:10] sgclark: have you been able to test? [15:11] Riddell: not yet, I am still packagine addons, and don't want to break :( almost done tho [15:11] very sensible [15:12] speaking of which, where do you want this? is there a git repo already? [15:12] Riddell: ^ [15:12] Hi folks [15:12] hiyas [15:12] sgclark: there is not, you can make one if you kow the secret of how [15:12] I don't :( [15:12] oh actually maybe I did already [15:13] git clone debian:plasma/kdeplasma-addons [15:13] a blank canvas ↑ [15:13] ty [15:15] can i kill and run again the battery monitor in systray ? [15:16] probably easiest to kill and run again plasmashell [15:17] oh interesting [15:17] in systray properties i have disabled notifications and the battery icon works normal now and the strange sound is gone [15:17] though i can enable notifications again [15:18] *cant [15:18] i wont mention that if we unplug power supply than plug it in, the brighness % does not chnage to 100% [15:19] ok i have enabled notification now again [15:19] and have no issue with strnage sound or teh battery icon [15:19] * Riddell copies over to kubuntu-ppa/next [15:24] Riddell: I just uploaded kdeplasma-addons to ppa, don't move to next yet, I forgot to install pbuilder on desktop and kinda cheating and using ppa for now [15:24] sgclark: which ppa? [15:24] Riddell: I tried to checkout kubuntu_utopic_next and failed error: pathspec 'kubuntu_utopic_next' did not match any file(s) known to git. [15:25] Riddell: staging [15:25] sgclark: you need to make the branch [15:25] sgclark: for new packages I've been doing it in master [15:25] err how do I do that, <-- git dummy [15:25] ok [15:25] master I can do haha [15:25] then when I'm happy I git checkout -b kubuntu_unstable [15:25] then git checkout -b kubuntu_utopic_next [15:26] to make the branches for kubuntu-ci and for kubuntu-nice-and-sane [15:26] * sgclark is lost [15:27] ok, well master is in [15:32] sgclark: and incase you are now at a lose end, I just made starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/plasma-5.0.95/kde-gtk-config-5.0.95.tar.xz [15:33] Riddell: sure, I have to leave for one hour, but can when I get back, if that is still useful to you [15:34] sgclark: I expect it will be, but it's friday so make sure you have a happy weekend and don't overburden yourself! [15:34] Riddell: :) [15:49] sgclark: looking at kdeplasma-addons Homepage: http://plasma.kde.org/ doesn't exist [15:50] sgclark: kdeplasma-addons-dbg should not depend on kde-workspace-dbg which is kde4 stuff [15:51] sgclark: but you might want to dep on plasma-workspace-dbg [15:51] sgclark: the dbg Depends should be listed as alternatives Depends: foo-dbg | bar-dbg [15:52] sgclark: s,kf5,Plasma 5, in debian/control [15:52] sgclark: only 1 package has a Multi-Arch: setting so I suspect that's not much use, just ignore multi-arch for now I think in that package [15:54] sgclark: newline at the end of debian/watch ? [15:55] ok [15:55] sgclark: copyright not updated? I don't blame you :) [15:56] ahh drat, I actually did grab copyright-helper with the intent. I will do it when I get back, promise [16:33] sgclark: missing build-dep on qtdeclarative5-dev [17:00] * Riddell out, have a lovely weekend all [17:00] plasma 5.1 is in kubuntu-ppa/next [17:17] Riddell: if you have worked it out with a actual plasma image... update me ;) [17:41] ok installed the kubuntu-ppa/next, but I'm receiving this error, http://paste.kde.org/phwlumb9z , ran -f install, but no luck [17:45] BluesKaj: you need to run apt-get update again, because ksysguard is @ ppa5 [17:46] BluesKaj: Taking the plunge eh? ;) [17:46] sgclark, ran update first thing [17:47] well trying it out genii, I can always revert \ [17:49] yofel gave me a fix the last time ksystemguard broke, but I can't recall what the fix was,. I recall it was relatively simple tho [17:52] BluesKaj: can you try and install libkf5sysguard5 by itself? [17:53] I am not entirely sure why it would do that, and I think most are gone for the day : / [17:56] sgclark, looks like my timing is off then, installing libkf5sysguard5 just gives the same dependency errors [17:58] That is very odd... just did the update myself and did not get that, but this is a pre-existing plasma5 install [17:59] Can you try each of those individually to see if one of them is the problem? [17:59] is there different ppa that i might need besides /kubuntu-ppa/next [17:59] shouldn't no [18:05] still getting this error http://paste.kde.org/pzpavwikb , guess i should have pasted that first [18:06] ah ha, now we are getting somewhere, fixing, thank BluesKaj [18:08] hmm which package is it suppose to be in.. [18:10] BluesKaj: dpkg -i –force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/libkf5sysguard5-data_4%3a5.0.95-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa4_amd64.deb [18:24] sgclark, still erroring, http://paste.kde.org/ptkmf2f6t [18:24] BluesKaj: will have to overwrite for now, 2 different packages with the same file and it will require more research. I filed a bug so folks can assist when they are around. [18:25] ok thanks, sgclark, appreciate your efforts...gotta go as well [18:25] ahh should be --force-overwrite (two dashes) [18:25] ok [18:27] yup, that fixed it, thanks [18:35] Riddell: ping [18:36] blueck: he is gone for day (think weekend) [18:36] sgclark: Riddell apparently missed some " sgclark: do you have write access to trunk/www/sites/www/ ? [18:37] I think so, not sure though [18:38] sgclark: so can you try to add the missing " I am not sure where, what I find this ? in plasma tar? in some file in trunk/www/sites/www ? [18:42] sgclark: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/www/sites/www/announcements/plasma-5.0.95.php [18:46] blueck: If I had to guess the

needs oh hrmm, lots of tags missing i18n [18:48] blueck: sure I could fix this, point me to a kde svn for dummies [18:51] sgclark: https://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Sources/Using_Subversion_with_KDE#Checking_out + https://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Sources/Using_Subversion_with_KDE#Committing_to_the_repository [18:52] blueck: ok fixing [18:55] sgclark: thx a lot [19:01] blueck: well I don't think I have access, only errors [19:02] sgclark: ok, thanks for trying to help anyway [19:02] blueck: different from git access I take it? [19:03] sgclark: yes [19:03] ahh ok, guess I will have to apply for the future, sorry :( [19:08] blueck: I submitted a request, maybe they will get back to me today [19:08] sgclark: thx again [19:46] sgclark: do you maybe know.. if there's a live iso for the beta 1? [19:46] not from kubuntu but from any other distro? [19:46] Antisound: sorry I don't know [19:47] okay, no problem. it was worth a try ;-) [21:06] Riddell: agree about mksub ui - very strange [21:06] and works badly the first time out, but after that you get used to it [21:06] I like that you can see each step in the konsole, as it happens, since it's a frontend to dd [21:30] holy broken batman [22:10] sgclark: what's broken? [22:10] my desktop :( [22:10] also, did you see my email about SeaGL? [22:10] ooooo [22:10] nvidia-331 and sddm no get along :( [22:11] I chose lightdm, being at heart a coward, I guess [22:11] nvidia-331 depends nvidia-prime which depends on lightdm... [22:11] so have a mess on my hands [22:11] at least I have laptop lol [22:11] I'm going to take apart that test laptop a bit and see if I can't do something to help the broken hinge [22:12] valorie: yes, did you get my reply? I am waiting on libroffice to see if I can get assistance, I am broke :( [22:12] I was started to see artifacts on the screen last night, just when I finally got things working [22:12] ah, OK [22:12] will look [22:12] hmm, that doesnt sound good [22:13] it's a great laptop -- except for a broken hinge [22:13] maybe I can fix something inside that will help [22:13] I just got my desktop all set up too! /pout [22:24] well, I hope you get funding [22:28] yes cross your fingers