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dpkg_i	https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/lubuntu-daily https://launchpad.net/~gilir/+archive/ubuntu/q-project	04:26
dpkg_i	Is there a "just lxqt" repo?	04:26
dpkg_i	nvm ppa:lubuntu-dev/lubuntu-daily works fine	04:35
dpkg_i	Welp, I'm on LXQtubuntu 14.10	05:04
dpkg_i	15.04 LXQt Lubuntu ? :) It seems pretty close	05:05
diegoaguilar	Hello, I was just asking ... whats average lubuntu memory consumption at no activity, only desktop	06:31
diegoaguilar	and some daemons, of course :P	06:31
zy3pD	ram:200-300mb	06:31
diegoaguilar	do you know what's xubuntu's?	06:33
dpkg_i	interestingly LXQt lubuntu sems to use only 20MB more ram,	06:33
dpkg_i	xubuntu is 20MB more	06:34
dpkg_i	A lot of base RAm usage is for thigns that are jsut loaded and sitting around	06:34
zy3pD	dpkg_i, so lxqt will use 320mb ram?	06:38
zy3pD	with/without kwin?	06:38
dpkg_i	kwin is 10mb bigger than openbox if i remember	06:39
diegoaguilar	well I dont wanna imagine about last ubuntu	06:42
diegoaguilar	I guess is up to 700 MB	06:42
diegoaguilar	it's just that im so engaged to GNOME	06:43
dpkg_i	2, or 3?	06:50
diegoaguilar	3	06:50
diegoaguilar	dpkg_i	06:50
dpkg_i	gnome's arrogance wiped out a huge chunk of it's userbase	06:50
diegoaguilar	hehe, well its true	06:51
diegoaguilar	whats funnier that even centos goes for it	06:52
dpkg_i	gnome has big corporate love for some reason, never understood why as it's an awful desktop for workstations	06:56
diegoaguilar	whats best desktop environment for workstations in your opinion	06:58
dpkg_i	KDE for desktop, anything puny for POS	07:05
dpkg_i	I use LXDE or minimal things and KDE for big things.	07:05
dpkg_i	Used to use flux but nothing these days is weak enough to justify that	07:06
dpkg_i	Even the smallest embedded computers have 512MB of RAM these days.	07:06
diegoaguilar	so far I think using any HTTP based thing which offers graphical interface for server admin and monitoring	07:09
diegoaguilar	solves out the need of a desktop environment	07:09
dpkg_i	chromeOS lol	07:13
jxshxx	Looking for suggestions for a program to set up dual monitors	19:49
ianorlin	arnadr is a tool that is a bit heavier tha lxrandr but will do that job	19:49
ianorlin	it is also possible in the command line with xrandr	19:49
ianorlin	arandr is easier	19:50
testdr	jxshxx: if you are using nvidia and the proprietary driver - nvidia-settings should do it too	19:50
jxshxx	Alright, thanks!	19:54
]Spectre[	hi, I have a problem with the wifi,after an upgrade on my lubuntu "trusty" 14.04 I can't connect to my wifi anymore, if I run windows 7 in a virtual machine I can go on wifi without problem, can you help me ?	21:30
wxl	]Spectre[: your wifi used to work?	21:30
]Spectre[	yes	21:30
wxl	]Spectre[: `lspci \| grep -i net`	21:31
]Spectre[	and inside of a virtual machine(wmware player) I see the wifi key and it works perfectly	21:31
wxl	waaaaaaaaaait a minute. this isn't real hardware?	21:31
]Spectre[	wxl,I don't undestand your question. I'm using the wifi key connected on the pc on lubuntu,but on my lubuntu I've installed wmware player that runs windows 7,and inside of windows 7 I can run the wifi key and internet without problems	21:33
ianorlin	so you ahve wifi in the vm but not in the host	21:33
]Spectre[	ianorlin: yes looks like that	21:33
]Spectre[	lubuntu says to me: wifi is disconnected and it grayed out	21:34
wxl	that makes little sense	21:34
phillw	broadcom wifi chip?	21:35
wxl	have you tried to use the internet connection?	21:35
]Spectre[	yes, it doesn't work	21:35
wxl	phillw: the vm works but the host doesn't? methinks pebkac.	21:35
]Spectre[	wxl,incredible but yes :D	21:35
phillw	wxl: vm is in windows, they ship the driver :)	21:35
wxl	]Spectre[: pastebin up the results of ifconfig	21:35
]Spectre[	wxl: ok	21:36
wxl	phillw: correct me if i'm wrong but the vm doesn't directly access the hardware.	21:36
phillw	but it can access the driver, is my best guess.	21:36
wxl	and then so should the os, no? :)	21:36
]Spectre[	http://pastebin.com/5GUHGiS8	21:37
phillw	no, as the os doesn't read drivers from the vm	21:37
wxl	that's not what i meant	21:37
wxl	but no need bickering :)	21:37
phillw	it's only an idea and it could be something else entirely :)	21:37
wxl	well indeed you don't have an ip address	21:38
wxl	]Spectre[: pastebin up the results of lspci -vv	21:38
]Spectre[	ok	21:39
]Spectre[	http://pastebin.com/qifmjsR6	21:40
wxl	welllllllll	21:42
wxl	ifconfig doesn't enumerate any wlans	21:42
wxl	lspci doesn't show a wifi chip	21:42
]Spectre[	in this moment i'm running inside windows 7 in the virtual machine under lubuntu	21:42
wxl	you could install dmidecode and we could see if we can see what the bios thinks	21:42
ianorlin	is it a usb wifi?	21:43
]Spectre[	yes	21:43
wxl	derp	21:43
wxl	lsusb -vv	21:43
]Spectre[	ok	21:43
ianorlin	are you using an option to pass the usb from the host to the guest?	21:43
]Spectre[	http://pastebin.com/PKQvz4V7	21:44
]Spectre[	ianorlin,yes	21:45
wxl	i'm pretty sure you cut off the top there ]Spectre[	21:46
wxl	maybe use pastebinit	21:46
]Spectre[	wops	21:46
wxl	!pastebinit \| ]Spectre[	21:46
ubottu	]Spectre[: pastebinit is the command-line equivalent of !pastebin - Command output, or other text can be redirected to pastebinit, which then reports an URL containing the output - To use pastebinit, install the « pastebinit » package from a package manager - Simple usage: command \| pastebinit -b http://paste.ubuntu.com	21:46
wxl	or not i guess you're on windows boooo	21:46
]Spectre[	ahah :)	21:47
]Spectre[	anyway, I suppose that as I'm using the virtual machine to talk here, the host hide some peripherals to the lsusb,I'll try to exit from the vm and to talk on another pc,see you in a moment	21:48
]Spectre[	I'm back	21:57
]Spectre[	I can't paste directly now because I'm on another computer but I'll try to tell you what you ask	21:57
wxl	omg	21:58
]Spectre[	now with lsbusb i see: Device Linksys WUSB100 Wireless Network Adapter [Ralink RT3070]	21:58
wxl	well, ok, then tell me what lsusb says about the wifi device and what driver it's using if any	21:58
wxl	what's the vendor/model number? the [xxxx:xxxx] code	21:59
]Spectre[	ID 1737:0078	21:59
]Spectre[	but it worked until the last lubuntu upgrade	21:59
]Spectre[	so I don't think that's is a driver problem	21:59
wxl	define upgrad	21:59
wxl	e	21:59
wxl	what driver is it using?	21:59
]Spectre[	hard question for a linux newbie	22:00
wxl	lsusb -vv will tell you	22:00
]Spectre[	question: if I want to redirect the output to a .txt file " > trial.txt " works under linux ?	22:01
]Spectre[	like lsusb -vv > test.txt	22:02
wxl	yep	22:02
wxl		22:02
]Spectre[	ok,a moment	22:02
wxl	actually it would be good to see what iwconfig gives you too	22:03
]Spectre[	iwconfig: wlan0 IEEE 802.11bgn ESSID:off/any Mode: Managed , Access Point: Not-Associated, Tx-Power:off Retry long limit:7 RTS thr:off Fragment thr:off Power management:on	22:05
wxl	well it's certainly there	22:06
wxl	now we need to know what driver	22:07
]Spectre[	this is lspci -vv : http://paste.ubuntu.com/8488739/	22:07
wxl	yeah i have that one	22:08
wxl	we want lsusb	22:08
wxl	it's not a pci device	22:08
wxl	it's a usb device	22:08
wxl	ls = list	22:08
]Spectre[	ops sorry,lsusb..	22:09
]Spectre[	one moment	22:10
]Spectre[	http://paste.ubuntu.com/8488765/	22:11
wxl	dumb question, ]Spectre[: if you don't have the vm running does the wifi work?	22:13
]Spectre[	with the wm not running I see on the bottom bar of lxde under the tab "network connections" -> Wifi network :Wifi is disconnected	22:15
]Spectre[	but It's grayed out	22:15
wxl	hm	22:15
]Spectre[	tried rfkill list	22:16
wxl	]Spectre[: what "upgrade" did you make? from what to what?	22:16
]Spectre[	it says Wireless lan: soft blocked:yes hard blocked:no	22:16
]Spectre[	after rfkill unblock all I see:	22:16
]Spectre[	soft blocked: no hard blocked no	22:16
wxl	and then does it work?	22:17
]Spectre[	no	22:17
]Spectre[	still grayed out	22:17
wxl	if you right click on the icon, is wifi or networking not checked (enabled)?	22:17
]Spectre[	after also a "sudo ifconfig wlan0 up"	22:17
]Spectre[	still grayed out	22:17
]Spectre[	wifi	22:18
wxl	they're both checked?	22:18
wxl	(they both need to be)	22:18
]Spectre[	under the tab just I see (all grayed out) :Ethernet network: disconnected (ok,it is) and Wifi network: wifi is disabled	22:19
]Spectre[	anyway we will try tomorrow,now I have to go to bed :)	22:19
]Spectre[	thanks for the help :)	22:19
wxl	]Spectre[: i think i see your problem	22:19
]Spectre[	oohh	22:19
]Spectre[	ok ,so I wait a moment	22:19
wxl	]Spectre[: you need to right click and enable (check) both wifi and networking	22:19
]Spectre[	so simple ??	22:19
wxl	yep	22:20
wxl	nothing works without that	22:20
]Spectre[	ahhhhh	22:20
]Spectre[	thankssss	22:20
wxl	np	22:20
wxl	have a good night :)	22:20
]Spectre[	:DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD	22:20
]Spectre[	missed the right click on the icon :)	22:20
]Spectre[	good night	22:20
wxl	XD	22:20
]Spectre[	thanks wxl	22:20
wxl	np ]Spectre[	22:21
wxl	phillw: neener neener pebkac	22:21
]Spectre[	soo simple....	22:21
phillw	c'est la vie!	22:21
]Spectre[	a day you will tell me what is neener neener pebkac..	22:22
]Spectre[	I can' translate it	22:22
wxl	]Spectre[: it's ok, i'm just making fun of phillw :)	22:22
]Spectre[	I'm sure of that	22:23
]Spectre[	eheh	22:23
]Spectre[	ok... no problem	22:23
]Spectre[	good night	22:23
]Spectre[	going	22:23
wxl	night!	22:23
]Spectre[	wxl, for you ;) http://imgbin.org/index.php?page=image&id=19592	22:27
]Spectre[	windows 7 under lubuntu and the wifi disabled on the host eheh :P	22:27
wxl	so the vm is causing trouble?	22:27
]Spectre[	wxl,no,I suppose an upgrade	22:28
]Spectre[	after an upgrade the wifi was disabled	22:28
wxl	]Spectre[: what did you upgrade?	22:28
]Spectre[	just that	22:28
wxl	you upgraded the operating system, some packages, your hardware?	22:28
]Spectre[	packages my friend	22:29
wxl	which ones?	22:29
]Spectre[	I don't remember my dear	22:29
]Spectre[	but for sure something related to wifi	22:30
]Spectre[	or network	22:30
]Spectre[	good night1	22:30
wxl	look in /var/log/apt/history.log	22:30
wxl	that'll tell yo uwhat changed	22:30
]Spectre[	looking	22:31
]Spectre[	I suppose something on this upgrade: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8488874/	22:32
wxl	linux-firmware changed	22:34
wxl	that's a sure sign	22:34
wxl	i still want to know what driver is being used	22:34
]Spectre[	what is it ?	22:34
]Spectre[	(linux-firmware)?	22:34
wxl	firmware for kernel drivers	22:35
]Spectre[	thanks for the hint about the upgrade logs	22:35
wxl	!info linux-firmware	22:35
ubottu	linux-firmware (source: linux-firmware): Firmware for Linux kernel drivers. In component main, is optional. Version 1.127.7 (trusty), package size 19934 kB, installed size 64375 kB	22:35
]Spectre[	thanks	22:35
]Spectre[	I have to learn a lot on linux,it's great	22:35
wxl	yep	22:35
wxl	this is all the fun stuff	22:35
]Spectre[	lubuntu is also fast on a pentium r dual core..	22:35
wxl	when something doesn't work right	22:35
wxl	there's lots of tools to help you figure it out	22:36
]Spectre[	also windows 7 in the vm is faster than on a real partition :P	22:36
wxl	so what we've been doing is analyzing chips	22:36
wxl	lspci lists the pci devices	22:36
wxl	lsusb lists the usb devices	22:36
wxl	all your logs are in /var/log btw :)	22:36
wxl	you could try looking through dmesg or syslog for errors	22:36
]Spectre[	thanks :D	22:36
wxl	you can do lsmod to list all the modules you have installed	22:37
wxl	that may help us track it down but sometimes it's hard to parse out which one is being used	22:37
]Spectre[	thanks my friend	22:37
]Spectre[	if you want to have fun	22:37
]Spectre[	try this in a virtual machine	22:37
]Spectre[	an os coded in asm :DD	22:37
]Spectre[	http://kolibrios.org	22:37
]Spectre[	a bit fast ;)	22:37
]Spectre[	but useless :)	22:37
wxl	OH	22:38
wxl	lsusb -t	22:38
wxl	i rarely have to deal with usb driver issues. didn't realize that lsusb doesn't work like lspci. it won't give you the driver with -vv but -t will	22:39
]Spectre[	well	22:39
wxl	lshw -C Network should do it too	22:39
]Spectre[	I have to say that when I installed lubuntu for the first time on this machine it found the wifi usb key without problems,better than windows	22:39
]Spectre[	lshw -C	22:40
]Spectre[	ok	22:40
wxl	or lsusb -t	22:40
wxl	the format doesn't matter. we're just trying to figure out what driver it uses	22:40
]Spectre[	are you a developer of lubuntu?	22:40
wxl	i'm the team leader of testing	22:41
wxl	one of the release managers	22:41
]Spectre[	anyway it's not an issue..	22:41
wxl	one of these days i'll help with development	22:41
]Spectre[	just I didn't know how to enable the wifi from the lxde bottom bar	22:41
]Spectre[	to re-enable	22:41
]Spectre[	good	22:42
wxl	well it might be a driver issue	22:42
]Spectre[	I'm also a firmware developer for work	22:42
wxl	oh cool	22:42
]Spectre[	it would be interesting for you	22:42
wxl	so you can hack the driver once we find it XD	22:42
]Spectre[	but a newbie on linux	22:42
wxl	you know c, too, i'm assuming	22:42
wxl	?	22:42
]Spectre[	yes	22:42
wxl	well you probably came from windows, what am i saying? :)	22:43
]Spectre[	and assembly but for risc cpu	22:43
]Spectre[	for work I'm forced (until now) to use windows	22:43
]Spectre[	compilers for industrial mcu's are developed under windows	22:43
wxl	yeah we have used windows historically a lot at work but we're slowly switching everything over to linux	22:43
]Spectre[	until now..	22:43
]Spectre[	yes.. it's better and now without problems with drivers	22:44
]Spectre[	I see	22:44
]Spectre[	on my pc at home I don't have anymore the rescue partition for windows 7	22:44
]Spectre[	just lubuntu	22:44
]Spectre[	I use windows in the wm just to run the commercial compilers	22:44
]Spectre[	(I have to..)	22:44
wxl	ahhh	22:44
]Spectre[	anyway,great work guys	22:45
wxl	]Spectre[: interested in lubuntu development and/or testing?	22:45
]Spectre[	better than ubuntu that is too heavy not professional :)	22:46
]Spectre[	wxl, yes but I don't think that I have the time and also I'm not richard stallman	22:46
ianorlin	yeah I am used to interface of lxde and have even isntalled it on new desktop with uefi and have gotten virt-manager to work from my laptop over ssh	22:46
]Spectre[	wxl,it depends on what you tell me to do	22:47
wxl	hahahahah	22:47
wxl	]Spectre[: well the nice thing about open source development is you can find out where you want to work and do it. you don't have to commit to time or anything	22:48
wxl	]Spectre[: testing is particularly easy. in general, it involves running the latest development version (usually in a vm) and hunting for bugs.	22:48
]Spectre[	do you have a method to find bugs?	22:49
wxl	]Spectre[: you could also help in bug triage but i would imagine that being a linux newbie the troubleshooting might be a little hard for you.	22:49
]Spectre[	I agree	22:49
wxl	]Spectre[: we have testcases to follow. pretty simple. there's also the general notion of just trying to use it like normal and seeing if anything pops up.	22:49
wxl	]Spectre[: ianorlin, for example, seems to always go well beyond just the testcases and always unearths the most interesting bugs	22:50
wxl	]Spectre[: but even just daily chedcking things over makes a big difference	22:50
wxl	]Spectre[: here's some more info on testing https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing	22:50
wxl	]Spectre[: as for becoming less of a linux newbie, just use it a lot. hang out here, too. you can learn a lot that way. don't be afraid of the command line. read man pages. it's not that hard, really	22:51
]Spectre[	I like hard things	22:51
wxl	well it can be as hard as you want it to be really :)	22:51
wxl	i imagine as a firmware developer you should pick it up easy	22:52
]Spectre[	I will give a read on the link,ok ? added to my bookmarks	22:53
]Spectre[	really interesting	22:53
wxl	if you want to get into development there's https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers	22:53
]Spectre[	and also I think that an os must be like lubuntu	22:53
]Spectre[	with the L	22:53
wxl	just starting with some low hanging fruit, some simple easy to fix bugs, will get you started	22:53
wxl	]Spectre[: have you worked with gtk or qt?	22:55
]Spectre[	no wxl,I know them ,but no	22:56
]Spectre[	so I suppose that everything is made with gtk and qt	22:57
wxl	]Spectre[: well, we're currently using gtk but switching to qt next release	22:57
]Spectre[	how come?	22:57
wxl	not the one that comes this month, but in 6 mopnths	22:57
wxl	gtk is ultimately very difficult to deal with for several reasons	22:58
]Spectre[	I suppose gtk and qt only for the gui,is it right?	22:58
wxl	yeah	22:58
wxl	do you do python, too?	22:58
]Spectre[	used a bit for testing communication protocols with mcu's	22:59
]Spectre[	the only gui I developed on the pc side was made with opencv	22:59
]Spectre[	in c	22:59
wxl	well if you're comfy with c, that covers most everything	22:59
wxl	but there's a lot of ubuntu stuff in python	23:00
]Spectre[	opencv is a library for computer vision	23:00
wxl	oh cool	23:00
]Spectre[	that also has functions to generate a simple graphical interface	23:00
]Spectre[	I used it some years ago	23:00
]Spectre[	(optical inspections of pcb)	23:01
]Spectre[	inspection	23:01
wxl	very cool	23:02
]Spectre[	yes	23:02
]Spectre[	:D	23:02
]Spectre[	ok,keep in touch	23:03
]Spectre[	I have to go to sleep	23:03
]Spectre[	good night,see you the next time	23:03
wxl	take care	23:04
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F0GTS	hi there ! can anybody help me to update my 13.04 to 14.04? :)	23:59

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