[04:26] <dpkg_i> https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/lubuntu-daily  https://launchpad.net/~gilir/+archive/ubuntu/q-project
[04:26] <dpkg_i> Is there a "just lxqt" repo?
[04:35] <dpkg_i> nvm ppa:lubuntu-dev/lubuntu-daily works fine
[05:04] <dpkg_i> Welp, I'm on LXQtubuntu 14.10
[05:05] <dpkg_i> 15.04 LXQt Lubuntu ? :) It seems pretty close
[06:31] <diegoaguilar> Hello, I was just asking ... whats average lubuntu memory consumption at no activity, only desktop
[06:31] <diegoaguilar> and some daemons, of course :P
[06:31] <zy3pD> ram:200-300mb
[06:33] <diegoaguilar> do you know what's xubuntu's?
[06:33] <dpkg_i> interestingly LXQt lubuntu sems to use only 20MB more ram,
[06:34] <dpkg_i> xubuntu is 20MB more
[06:34] <dpkg_i> A lot of base RAm usage is for thigns that are jsut loaded and sitting around
[06:38] <zy3pD> dpkg_i, so lxqt will use 320mb ram?
[06:38] <zy3pD> with/without kwin?
[06:39] <dpkg_i> kwin is 10mb bigger than openbox if i remember
[06:42] <diegoaguilar> well I dont wanna imagine about last ubuntu
[06:42] <diegoaguilar> I guess is up to 700 MB
[06:43] <diegoaguilar> it's just that im so engaged to GNOME
[06:50] <dpkg_i> 2, or 3?
[06:50] <diegoaguilar> 3
[06:50] <diegoaguilar> dpkg_i
[06:50] <dpkg_i> gnome's arrogance wiped out a huge chunk of  it's userbase
[06:51] <diegoaguilar> hehe, well its true
[06:52] <diegoaguilar> whats funnier that even centos goes for it
[06:56] <dpkg_i> gnome has big corporate love for some reason, never understood why as it's an awful desktop for workstations
[06:58] <diegoaguilar> whats best desktop environment for workstations in your opinion
[07:05] <dpkg_i> KDE for desktop, anything puny for POS
[07:05] <dpkg_i> I use LXDE or minimal things and KDE for big things.
[07:06] <dpkg_i> Used to use flux but nothing these days is weak enough to justify that
[07:06] <dpkg_i> Even the smallest embedded computers have 512MB of RAM these days.
[07:09] <diegoaguilar> so far I think using any HTTP based thing which offers graphical interface for server admin and monitoring
[07:09] <diegoaguilar> solves out the need of  a desktop environment
[07:13] <dpkg_i> chromeOS lol
[19:49] <jxshxx> Looking for suggestions for a program to set up dual monitors
[19:49] <ianorlin> arnadr is a tool that is a bit heavier tha lxrandr but will do that job
[19:49] <ianorlin> it is also possible in the command line with xrandr
[19:50] <ianorlin> arandr is easier
[19:50] <testdr> jxshxx: if you are using nvidia and the proprietary driver - nvidia-settings should do it too
[19:54] <jxshxx> Alright, thanks!
[21:30] <]Spectre[> hi, I have a problem with the wifi,after an upgrade on my lubuntu "trusty" 14.04 I can't connect to my wifi anymore, if I run windows 7 in a virtual machine I can go on wifi without problem, can you help me ?
[21:30] <wxl> ]Spectre[: your wifi used to work?
[21:30] <]Spectre[> yes
[21:31] <wxl> ]Spectre[: `lspci | grep -i net`
[21:31] <]Spectre[> and inside of a virtual machine(wmware player) I see the wifi key and it works perfectly
[21:31] <wxl> waaaaaaaaaait a minute. this isn't real hardware?
[21:33] <]Spectre[> wxl,I don't undestand your question. I'm using the wifi key connected on the pc on lubuntu,but on my lubuntu I've installed wmware player that runs windows 7,and inside of windows 7 I can run the wifi key and internet without problems
[21:33] <ianorlin> so you ahve wifi in the vm but not in the host
[21:33] <]Spectre[> ianorlin: yes looks like that
[21:34] <]Spectre[> lubuntu says to me: wifi is disconnected and it grayed out
[21:34] <wxl> that makes little sense
[21:35] <phillw> broadcom wifi chip?
[21:35] <wxl> have you tried to use the internet connection?
[21:35] <]Spectre[> yes, it doesn't work
[21:35] <wxl> phillw: the vm works but the host doesn't? methinks pebkac.
[21:35] <]Spectre[> wxl,incredible but yes :D
[21:35] <phillw> wxl: vm is in windows, they ship the driver :)
[21:35] <wxl> ]Spectre[: pastebin up the results of ifconfig
[21:36] <]Spectre[> wxl: ok
[21:36] <wxl> phillw: correct me if i'm wrong but the vm doesn't directly access the hardware.
[21:36] <phillw> but it can access the driver, is my best guess.
[21:36] <wxl> and then so should the os, no? :)
[21:37] <]Spectre[> http://pastebin.com/5GUHGiS8
[21:37] <phillw> no, as the os doesn't read drivers from the vm
[21:37] <wxl> that's not what i meant
[21:37] <wxl> but no need bickering :)
[21:37] <phillw> it's only an idea and it could be something else entirely :)
[21:38] <wxl> well indeed you don't have an ip address
[21:38] <wxl> ]Spectre[: pastebin up the results of lspci -vv
[21:39] <]Spectre[> ok
[21:40] <]Spectre[> http://pastebin.com/qifmjsR6
[21:42] <wxl> welllllllll
[21:42] <wxl> ifconfig doesn't enumerate any wlans
[21:42] <wxl> lspci doesn't show a wifi chip
[21:42] <]Spectre[> in this moment i'm running inside windows 7 in the virtual machine under lubuntu
[21:42] <wxl> you could install dmidecode and we could see if we can see what the bios thinks
[21:43] <ianorlin> is it a usb wifi?
[21:43] <]Spectre[> yes
[21:43] <wxl> derp
[21:43] <wxl> lsusb -vv
[21:43] <]Spectre[> ok
[21:43] <ianorlin> are you using an option to pass the usb from the host to the guest?
[21:44] <]Spectre[> http://pastebin.com/PKQvz4V7
[21:45] <]Spectre[> ianorlin,yes
[21:46] <wxl> i'm pretty sure you cut off the top there ]Spectre[
[21:46] <wxl> maybe use pastebinit
[21:46] <]Spectre[> wops
[21:46] <wxl> !pastebinit | ]Spectre[
[21:46] <wxl> or not i guess you're on windows boooo
[21:47] <]Spectre[> ahah :)
[21:48] <]Spectre[> anyway, I suppose that as I'm using the virtual machine to talk here, the host hide some peripherals to the lsusb,I'll try to exit from the vm and to talk on another pc,see you in a moment
[21:57] <]Spectre[> I'm back
[21:57] <]Spectre[> I can't paste directly now because I'm on another computer but I'll try to tell you what you ask
[21:58] <wxl> omg
[21:58] <]Spectre[> now with lsbusb i see: Device Linksys WUSB100 Wireless Network Adapter [Ralink RT3070]
[21:58] <wxl> well, ok, then tell me what lsusb says about the wifi device and what driver it's using if any
[21:59] <wxl> what's the vendor/model number? the [xxxx:xxxx] code
[21:59] <]Spectre[> ID 1737:0078
[21:59] <]Spectre[> but it worked until the last lubuntu upgrade
[21:59] <]Spectre[> so I don't think that's is a driver problem
[21:59] <wxl> define upgrad
[21:59] <wxl> e
[21:59] <wxl> what driver is it using?
[22:00] <]Spectre[> hard question for a linux newbie
[22:00] <wxl> lsusb -vv will tell you
[22:01] <]Spectre[> question: if I want to redirect the output to a .txt file  " > trial.txt " works under linux ?
[22:02] <]Spectre[> like lsusb -vv > test.txt
[22:02] <wxl> yep
[22:02] <wxl> 
[22:02] <]Spectre[> ok,a moment
[22:03] <wxl> actually it would be good to see what iwconfig gives you too
[22:05] <]Spectre[> iwconfig: wlan0 IEEE 802.11bgn ESSID:off/any Mode: Managed , Access Point: Not-Associated, Tx-Power:off Retry long limit:7 RTS thr:off Fragment thr:off Power management:on
[22:06] <wxl> well it's certainly there
[22:07] <wxl> now we need to know what driver
[22:07] <]Spectre[>  this is lspci -vv : http://paste.ubuntu.com/8488739/
[22:08] <wxl> yeah i have that one
[22:08] <wxl> we want lsusb
[22:08] <wxl> it's not a pci device
[22:08] <wxl> it's a usb device
[22:08] <wxl> ls = list
[22:09] <]Spectre[> ops sorry,lsusb..
[22:10] <]Spectre[> one moment
[22:11] <]Spectre[> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8488765/
[22:13] <wxl> dumb question, ]Spectre[: if you don't have the vm running does the wifi work?
[22:15] <]Spectre[> with the wm not running I see on the bottom bar of lxde under the tab "network connections" -> Wifi network :Wifi is disconnected
[22:15] <]Spectre[> but It's grayed out
[22:15] <wxl> hm
[22:16] <]Spectre[> tried rfkill list
[22:16] <wxl> ]Spectre[: what "upgrade" did you make? from what to what?
[22:16] <]Spectre[> it says Wireless lan: soft blocked:yes hard blocked:no
[22:16] <]Spectre[> after rfkill unblock all I see:
[22:16] <]Spectre[> soft blocked: no hard blocked no
[22:17] <wxl> and then does it work?
[22:17] <]Spectre[> no
[22:17] <]Spectre[> still grayed out
[22:17] <wxl> if you right click on the icon, is wifi or networking not checked (enabled)?
[22:17] <]Spectre[> after also a "sudo ifconfig wlan0 up"
[22:17] <]Spectre[> still grayed out
[22:18] <]Spectre[> wifi
[22:18] <wxl> they're both checked?
[22:18] <wxl> (they both need to be)
[22:19] <]Spectre[> under the tab just I see (all grayed out) :Ethernet network: disconnected (ok,it is) and Wifi network: wifi is disabled
[22:19] <]Spectre[> anyway we will try tomorrow,now I have to go to bed :)
[22:19] <]Spectre[> thanks for the help :)
[22:19] <wxl> ]Spectre[: i think i see your problem
[22:19] <]Spectre[> oohh
[22:19] <]Spectre[> ok ,so I wait a moment
[22:19] <wxl> ]Spectre[: you need to right click and enable (check) both wifi and networking
[22:19] <]Spectre[> so simple ??
[22:20] <wxl> yep
[22:20] <wxl> nothing works without that
[22:20] <]Spectre[> ahhhhh
[22:20] <]Spectre[> thankssss
[22:20] <wxl> np
[22:20] <wxl> have a good night :)
[22:20] <]Spectre[> :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
[22:20] <]Spectre[> missed the right click on the icon :)
[22:20] <]Spectre[> good night
[22:20] <wxl> XD
[22:20] <]Spectre[> thanks wxl
[22:21] <wxl> np ]Spectre[
[22:21] <wxl> phillw: neener neener pebkac
[22:21] <]Spectre[> soo simple....
[22:21] <phillw> c'est la vie!
[22:22] <]Spectre[> a day you will tell me what is neener neener pebkac..
[22:22] <]Spectre[> I can' translate it
[22:22] <wxl> ]Spectre[: it's ok, i'm just making fun of phillw :)
[22:23] <]Spectre[> I'm sure of that
[22:23] <]Spectre[> eheh
[22:23] <]Spectre[> ok... no problem
[22:23] <]Spectre[> good night
[22:23] <]Spectre[> going
[22:23] <wxl> night!
[22:27] <]Spectre[> wxl, for you ;)  http://imgbin.org/index.php?page=image&id=19592
[22:27] <]Spectre[> windows 7 under lubuntu and the wifi disabled on the host eheh :P
[22:27] <wxl> so the vm is causing trouble?
[22:28] <]Spectre[> wxl,no,I suppose an upgrade
[22:28] <]Spectre[> after an upgrade the wifi was disabled
[22:28] <wxl> ]Spectre[: what did you upgrade?
[22:28] <]Spectre[> just that
[22:28] <wxl> you upgraded the operating system, some packages, your hardware?
[22:29] <]Spectre[> packages my friend
[22:29] <wxl> which ones?
[22:29] <]Spectre[> I don't remember my dear
[22:30] <]Spectre[> but for sure something related to wifi
[22:30] <]Spectre[> or network
[22:30] <]Spectre[> good night1
[22:30] <wxl> look in /var/log/apt/history.log
[22:30] <wxl> that'll tell yo uwhat changed
[22:31] <]Spectre[> looking
[22:32] <]Spectre[> I suppose something on this upgrade: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8488874/
[22:34] <wxl> linux-firmware changed
[22:34] <wxl> that's a sure sign
[22:34] <wxl> i still want to know what driver is being used
[22:34] <]Spectre[> what is it ?
[22:34] <]Spectre[> (linux-firmware)?
[22:35] <wxl> firmware for kernel drivers
[22:35] <]Spectre[> thanks for the hint about the upgrade logs
[22:35] <wxl> !info linux-firmware
[22:35] <]Spectre[> thanks
[22:35] <]Spectre[> I have to learn a lot on linux,it's great
[22:35] <wxl> yep
[22:35] <wxl> this is all the fun stuff
[22:35] <]Spectre[> lubuntu is also fast on a pentium r dual core..
[22:35] <wxl> when something doesn't work right
[22:36] <wxl> there's lots of tools to help you figure it out
[22:36] <]Spectre[> also windows 7 in the vm is faster than on a real partition :P
[22:36] <wxl> so what we've been doing is analyzing chips
[22:36] <wxl> lspci lists the pci devices
[22:36] <wxl> lsusb lists the usb devices
[22:36] <wxl> all your logs are in /var/log btw :)
[22:36] <wxl> you could try looking through dmesg or syslog for errors
[22:36] <]Spectre[> thanks :D
[22:37] <wxl> you can do lsmod to list all the modules you have installed
[22:37] <wxl> that may help us track it down but sometimes it's hard to parse out which one is being used
[22:37] <]Spectre[> thanks my friend
[22:37] <]Spectre[> if you want to have fun
[22:37] <]Spectre[> try this in a virtual machine
[22:37] <]Spectre[> an os coded in asm :DD
[22:37] <]Spectre[> http://kolibrios.org
[22:37] <]Spectre[> a bit fast ;)
[22:37] <]Spectre[> but useless :)
[22:38] <wxl> OH
[22:38] <wxl> lsusb -t
[22:39] <wxl> i rarely have to deal with usb driver issues. didn't realize that lsusb doesn't work like lspci. it won't give you the driver with -vv but -t will
[22:39] <]Spectre[> well
[22:39] <wxl> lshw -C Network should do it too
[22:39] <]Spectre[> I have to say that when I installed lubuntu for the first time on this machine it found the wifi usb key without problems,better than windows
[22:40] <]Spectre[> lshw -C
[22:40] <]Spectre[> ok
[22:40] <wxl> or lsusb -t
[22:40] <wxl> the format doesn't matter. we're just trying to figure out what driver it uses
[22:40] <]Spectre[> are you a developer of lubuntu?
[22:41] <wxl> i'm the team leader of testing
[22:41] <wxl> one of the release managers
[22:41] <]Spectre[> anyway it's not an issue..
[22:41] <wxl> one of these days i'll help with development
[22:41] <]Spectre[> just I didn't know how to enable the wifi from the lxde bottom bar
[22:41] <]Spectre[> to re-enable
[22:42] <]Spectre[> good
[22:42] <wxl> well it might be a driver issue
[22:42] <]Spectre[> I'm also a firmware developer for work
[22:42] <wxl> oh cool
[22:42] <]Spectre[> it would be interesting  for you
[22:42] <wxl> so you can hack the driver once we find it XD
[22:42] <]Spectre[> but a newbie on linux
[22:42] <wxl> you know c, too, i'm assuming
[22:42] <wxl> ?
[22:42] <]Spectre[> yes
[22:43] <wxl> well you probably came from windows, what am i saying? :)
[22:43] <]Spectre[> and assembly but for risc cpu
[22:43] <]Spectre[> for work I'm forced (until now) to use windows
[22:43] <]Spectre[> compilers for industrial mcu's are developed under windows
[22:43] <wxl> yeah we have used windows historically a lot at work but we're slowly switching everything over to linux
[22:43] <]Spectre[> until now..
[22:44] <]Spectre[> yes.. it's better and now without problems with drivers
[22:44] <]Spectre[> I see
[22:44] <]Spectre[> on my pc at home I don't have anymore the rescue partition for windows 7
[22:44] <]Spectre[> just lubuntu
[22:44] <]Spectre[> I use windows in the wm just to run the commercial compilers
[22:44] <]Spectre[> (I have to..)
[22:44] <wxl> ahhh
[22:45] <]Spectre[> anyway,great work guys
[22:45] <wxl> ]Spectre[: interested in lubuntu development and/or testing?
[22:46] <]Spectre[> better than ubuntu that is too heavy not professional :)
[22:46] <]Spectre[> wxl, yes but I don't think that I have the time and also I'm not richard stallman
[22:46] <ianorlin> yeah I am used to interface of lxde and have even isntalled it on new desktop with uefi and have gotten virt-manager to work from my laptop over ssh
[22:47] <]Spectre[> wxl,it depends on what you tell me to do
[22:47] <wxl> hahahahah
[22:48] <wxl> ]Spectre[: well the nice thing about open source development is you can find out where you want to work and do it. you don't have to commit to time or anything
[22:48] <wxl> ]Spectre[: testing is particularly easy. in general, it involves running the latest development version (usually in a vm) and hunting for bugs.
[22:49] <]Spectre[> do you have a method to find bugs?
[22:49] <wxl> ]Spectre[: you could also help in bug triage but i would imagine that being a linux newbie the troubleshooting might be a little hard for you.
[22:49] <]Spectre[> I agree
[22:49] <wxl> ]Spectre[: we have testcases to follow. pretty simple. there's also the general notion of just trying to use it like normal and seeing if anything pops up.
[22:50] <wxl> ]Spectre[: ianorlin, for example, seems to always go well beyond just the testcases and always unearths the most interesting bugs
[22:50] <wxl> ]Spectre[: but even just daily chedcking things over makes a big difference
[22:50] <wxl> ]Spectre[: here's some more info on testing https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing
[22:51] <wxl> ]Spectre[: as for becoming less of a linux newbie, just use it a lot. hang out here, too. you can learn a lot that way. don't be afraid of the command line. read man pages. it's not that hard, really
[22:51] <]Spectre[> I like hard things
[22:51] <wxl> well it can be as hard as you want it to be really :)
[22:52] <wxl> i imagine as a firmware developer you should pick it up easy
[22:53] <]Spectre[> I will give a read on the link,ok ? added to my bookmarks
[22:53] <]Spectre[> really interesting
[22:53] <wxl> if you want to get into development there's https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers
[22:53] <]Spectre[> and also I think that an os must be like lubuntu
[22:53] <]Spectre[> with the L
[22:53] <wxl> just starting with some low hanging fruit, some simple easy to fix bugs, will get you started
[22:55] <wxl> ]Spectre[: have you worked with gtk or qt?
[22:56] <]Spectre[> no wxl,I know them ,but no
[22:57] <]Spectre[> so I suppose that everything is made with gtk and qt
[22:57] <wxl> ]Spectre[: well, we're currently using gtk but switching to qt next release
[22:57] <]Spectre[> how come?
[22:57] <wxl> not the one that comes this month, but in 6 mopnths
[22:58] <wxl> gtk is ultimately very difficult to deal with for several reasons
[22:58] <]Spectre[> I suppose gtk and qt only for the gui,is it right?
[22:58] <wxl> yeah
[22:58] <wxl> do you do python, too?
[22:59] <]Spectre[> used a bit for testing communication protocols with mcu's
[22:59] <]Spectre[> the only gui I developed on the pc side was made with opencv
[22:59] <]Spectre[> in c
[22:59] <wxl> well if you're comfy with c, that covers most everything
[23:00] <wxl> but there's a lot of ubuntu stuff in python
[23:00] <]Spectre[> opencv is a library for computer vision
[23:00] <wxl> oh cool
[23:00] <]Spectre[> that also has functions to generate a simple graphical interface
[23:00] <]Spectre[> I used it some years ago
[23:01] <]Spectre[> (optical inspections of pcb)
[23:01] <]Spectre[> inspection
[23:02] <wxl> very cool
[23:02] <]Spectre[> yes
[23:02] <]Spectre[> :D
[23:03] <]Spectre[> ok,keep in touch
[23:03] <]Spectre[> I have to go to sleep
[23:03] <]Spectre[> good night,see you the next time
[23:04] <wxl> take care
[23:59] <F0GTS> hi there ! can anybody help me to update my 13.04 to 14.04? :)