[02:35] <AMDCeleron> fuck you rww
[02:35] <AMDCeleron> now ban me
[14:50] <h00k> AMontpellier-654-1-171-140.w92-145.abo.wanadoo.fr: anon843 anon3774 and REGOS and RIGON and HOLMES look potentially abusive
[14:51] <Tm_T> bah, I'm slow
[14:54] <h00k> fixed that one.
[14:55] <h00k> forgot reasoning. oh well.
[15:06] <phunyguy> lol
[17:36] <igno818> Hello, I was banned from ubuntu but no idea why
[17:36] <igno818> can you help out or investigate?
[17:37] <hoverboard> as thumbs said in #freenode, it's because of this ban line:  2014-10-03 13:36:18 -!- Irssi: Ban against *18!*18@* matches igno818!~igno818@unaffiliated/igno818
[17:38]  * rww sighs
[17:38] <rww> igno818: one second
[17:39] <rww> igno818: Fixed, sorry about that.
[17:39] <rww> hoverboard: How can we help you today?
[17:39] <rww> @btlogin
[17:39] <igno818> back in the 90's :D
[17:39] <hoverboard> just came over to assist (:
[17:40] <hoverboard> perhaps my ban could be lifted, rww
[17:40] <rww> hoverboard: In the future, please don't. We're perfectly capable of assisting people ourselves. And I believe you already talked to another chanop about your ban, so refer back to that conversation.
[17:41] <rww> If you take issue with their decision, contact the IRCC.
[17:41] <hoverboard> rww, I believe he said if another operator is willing to lift the ban, he had no problem with that
[17:41] <hoverboard> (:
[17:42] <rww> hoverboard: Good point. Are you going to stick to on-topic support-related messages in #ubuntu and follow the channel guidelines from now on?
[17:42] <hoverboard> will do
[17:42] <rww> alrighty. you can has join
[17:43] <hoverboard> appreciated, good day
[18:58] <genii> yeah yeah
[19:07] <elky> on another topic, why do we still have those number bans?
[19:08] <elky> or are they all gone now?
[19:09] <rww> 19:08:24 -!- 31 - #ubuntu: ban *23!*21@* [by k1l_!~k1l@ubuntu/member/k1l, 1281738 secs ago]
[19:09] <rww> that's the only one I see, but there might be more
[19:09] <elky> can we murder it with prejudice?
[19:11] <DJones> I'd be in favour keeping bans like that, its a porn spammer thats changes nick/host but always uses 21/22/23 etc, still ongoing, but I think ASM picks them up and klines result from whichever channel they start in
[19:11] <rww> I note that the spam is still happening.
[19:12] <rww> I don't see another way to stop it other than the wide bans, which is different from me thinking the wide bans are a good idea.
[19:13] <DJones> Agreed, without a wide ban initially, it'll happen at least once before the kline kicks in
[19:13] <DJones> Its not just ubuntu thats being hit, debian etc gets hit
[19:18]  * rww nods
[19:18] <rww> There are two values in play here. One is "don't set bans with false positives" and the other is "don't allow channel spam". The weight one puts on each of them determines whether one likes those bans, I guess.
[19:26] <DJones> You're spot on with that, to me, with this (and associated bans) the spam to false positive is probably aroud 50-1, I can only only think of one or two people coming asking about bans compared to multiple spam reports in various channels
[19:31] <phunyguy> consider the ones that never make it in and have no idea why or how to resolve.
[19:32] <rww> and then when they do come in, we get the "set an exempt" versus "unset the ban" debate, and different people dislike +e to different extents too
[19:32] <elky> that's why we used to have banned webchats forwarded
[19:33] <rww> so yeah, the debate is not spam vs. no spam, it's "are the mechanics of this spam prevention method too obnoxious"
[19:33] <rww> to which I would say yes, but not seeing consensus i left them there, to answer elky's original question
[19:34] <rww> /essay
 Yes - Using Ubuntu, how can I prevent google from monitoring every single thing I do online?
[23:30] <fomenko_> hello
[23:30] <fomenko_> can anybodey see me?
[23:31] <fomenko_> hmm
[23:32] <valorie> yes
[23:32] <valorie> can we otherwise help you?
[23:32] <fomenko_> yes
[23:32] <fomenko_> I search for someone who develop ubuntu
[23:33] <valorie> then you need #ubuntu-devel
[23:33] <valorie> this channel is for IRC channel moderators
[23:33] <fomenko_> Can you please show at this technologie   http://nixos.org/   and use it in ubuntu?
[23:33] <valorie> wrong chanel
[23:33] <valorie> channel
[23:33] <fomenko_> ok
[23:34] <valorie> please got to #ubuntu-devel
[23:34] <fomenko_> ok thank you :-)
[23:35] <valorie> and now /part please
[23:35] <fomenko_> what do you mean with /part
[23:38] <valorie> please leave the channel