[00:01] <nith1210> Also, how does one add to the wiki install instructions?
[01:30] <vitimiti> Bye
[02:47] <dzez> hello
[02:48] <dzez> me and my 11 year old decided we would build a computer.  he ordered the parts and box and we have it all together.
[02:49] <dzez> we have searched the net and really havent found good steps on how to install ubuntu.
[02:49] <mozzarella> ask in #ubuntu instead
[02:50] <dzez> does anyone have them or can give us the process.  we have downloaded 14.04 64bit.  what changes do we need to make to bios.
[08:06] <salih-emin> Hi guys
[08:06] <salih-emin> New here
[08:07] <salih-emin> which channel of Ubuntu touch images (for nexus) has the latest versions ?
[08:07] <salih-emin> currentlly I have the devel channel
[08:08] <salih-emin> and on settings I see that i am on Ubuntu 14.10(r243)
[08:09] <salih-emin> am I good ?
[08:13] <salih-emin> "accidentally" found the answer I was looking for : http://developer.ubuntu.com/start/ubuntu-for-devices/image-channels/
[08:13] <salih-emin> :)
[08:15] <m_andrej> Guys, I need to add some C++ code to dropping letters. It's a C++ class that should be instantiated in QML. I suppose first I have to add main.cpp, where the QML file is loaded. How can I do that?
[08:22] <popey> hi m_andrej might be better asking in #ubuntu-app-devel where a bunch of app devs hang out, but it's a bit quiet there at the moment
[08:22] <m_andrej> popey: thanks
[08:23] <popey> mzanetti may be able to help though, I know he's done that kind of thing in his apps
[08:26] <mzanetti> m_andrej: yeah, in theory easiest thing would be to add a main.cpp. however, our sdk makes that a little more complicated. best thing is to create a new app with the template "App with QML extension".
[08:26] <mzanetti> m_andrej: then copy over your qml files into the app/ folder
[08:26] <mzanetti> it will still be loaded using qmlscene, but set the import path to load your plugin
[08:27] <mzanetti> the template will create a class called "MyType", just rename/reuse that
[08:27] <m_andrej> mzanetti: thanks a lot
[08:27] <popey> thanks mzanetti
[08:27] <mzanetti> yw
[08:52] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Techie’s Day! :-D
[08:53] <chrisc> are there any plans to offer alternative keyboard layouts? I find the touch keyboard a bit of a pita for vim compared with the android hackets kayboard, gestures are nich tho :-)
[08:53] <chrisc> s/hackets/hackers/
[08:53] <akiva-thinkpad> chrisc, good question
[08:53] <akiva-thinkpad> chrisc, are you speaking of dvorak, colemak, alternate layouts?
[08:54] <chrisc> i want a ketyboard with - ! tab without a modifier key
[08:56] <chrisc> on android there is the hackers keyboard https://f-droid.org/repository/browse/?fdfilter=org.pocketworkstation.pckeyboard&fdid=org.pocketworkstation.pckeyboard
[08:57] <chrisc> https://code.google.com/p/hackerskeyboard/
[08:58] <chrisc> is it worth me opening a ticket for this?
[08:59] <chrisc> with the current touch keyboard I can't do Ctrl-n and Ctrl-p for next and prev window in irssi :-(
[09:00] <chrisc> it's kinda fustrating
[09:04] <popey> chrisc: one for Elleo
[09:04] <m_andrej1> bump
[09:36] <rsalveti> ted: ideally it should just be a mute for the alert role (as silent should only be used for alert sounds), but it seems that currently it's just flag stored in settings
[09:36] <rsalveti> ted: need to investigate that better
[09:37] <Elleo> chrisc: feel free to file a bug for it, you might want to file it against both ubuntu-keyboard and ubuntu-ux; personally I'm happy to add new layouts, but more specialised layouts might need to wait until we figure out some way of distributing keyboard layouts via the store or something
[09:40] <chrisc> Elleo: OK, cool, I will when I get a chance :-)
[09:46] <Elleo> chrisc: thanks :)
[10:50] <chrisc> Elleo: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1377096
[10:52] <Elleo> chrisc: thanks :)
[10:53] <chrisc> np
[11:48] <cjwatson> jdstrand: I've passed bug 1371574 over to you guys based on our discussion so far.  Let me know if you change your mind / need anything
[12:26] <jdstrand> cjwatson: ok, thanks
[12:50] <chrisc>  /win 20
[13:24] <mterry> kenvandine, seb128: I'm putting https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/ubuntu-system-settings/wizard-refresh-take-6/+merge/235720 back to "Needs review" -- design will likely still have some further changes, but I don't want to block the rest of the goodness in there from landing
[14:13] <gatox> mardy, ping..... hi, i'm having some troubles with the OA plugin for qml.... do you have a moment?
[14:13] <mardy> gatox: sure, shoot
[14:15] <gatox> mardy, we are using the OA plugin on System Updates... inside system settings... using Setup {} we exec the online accounts form to login or create an account when the user press the button... but after the user creates/login the accout... OA is closed... but the onFinished: { signal is never fired... do you know if that is a known issue or what am i could be missing?
[14:15] <gatox> mardy, i've used it before and it was working.. but i have used it from a click application... this a deb application
[14:18] <mardy> gatox: we also use the Setup{} element from ubuntu-system-settings, to fire up the account creation, and we listen for its finished signal
[14:18] <mardy> gatox: do you have the code somewhere?
[14:20] <gatox> mardy, yes... https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntu-system-settings/account-detected/+merge/236313 i added some logs there, to see if it was writing the file when the signal is triggered.. but it's been written the first time... but not after the account is created
[14:22] <gatox> mardy, can you point where else are you using it in system settings... to see if any particular file need to be installed or something?
[14:24] <mardy> gatox: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~online-accounts/ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts/trunk/view/head:/system-settings-plugin/ProviderPluginList.qml
[14:25] <mardy> gatox: can you check the upstart logs? maybe there's some qml warning there
[14:25] <gatox> mardy, i remember that for the .click was necessary to install a .application file or something like that... is that necessary for this?? i was told it wasn't necessary for the .deb.. have you seen the branch?
[14:25] <gatox> mardy, where were those?
[14:26] <gatox> mardy, also....... the setup says applicationId: "ubuntu-system-settings" in the updates plugin... could that be a problem?
[14:31] <mardy> gatox: does the account setup start as expected?
[14:32] <gatox> mardy, yes... and i
[14:32] <gatox> mardy, yes..... and i'm login in successfull
[14:32] <gatox> y
[14:32] <mardy> gatox: then I think that your Setup element is being used correctly
[14:33] <mardy> gatox: or at least, that's not the problem :-)
[14:33] <gatox> mardy, why the onFinished signal is not being triggered then?? is the .application file necessary?
[14:35] <kenvandine> mardy, next time you do a uss-oa landing, can you include my keyword branch?
[14:36] <mardy> gatox: try adding console.warn() and see the logs in ~/.cache/upstart/
[14:36] <mardy> kenvandine: sure, will do
[14:36] <kenvandine> thx
[14:36] <gatox> mardy, ack... thanks
[14:37] <ted> rsalveti, Is the "phone" role for talking on the phone or the ringer?
[14:39] <oSoMoN> kenvandine, hey, I need a core-dev ack for the (trivial) packaging changes in https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/webbrowser-app/png-icon/+merge/235933, would you mind taking a quick look?
[14:39] <kenvandine> oSoMoN, sure
[14:41] <oSoMoN> kenvandine, thanks!
[14:41] <kenvandine> oSoMoN, np
[14:47] <jgdx> kenvandine, hey, would you take a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~jonas-drange/ubuntu-system-settings/cellular-slot2-online-status-not-persisting-1375832/+merge/237070
[14:48] <kenvandine> jgdx, are you looking over my shoulder?  i was just reading the bug report :)
[14:51] <ted> bfiller, Do you know what sound roles you guys are using in the phone app? Different roles for on call vs. ringer?
[14:53] <ichigo-roku> Hello
[14:54] <rsalveti> ted: for talking on the phone
[14:54] <rsalveti> ted: it's basically the volume for voice call
[14:54] <ted> rsalveti, Okay, and so ringer is through alert?
[14:55] <rsalveti> ted: yeah
[14:55] <jgdx> kenvandine, you look tired, Ken. *suspenseful music*
[14:55] <ted> rsalveti, So it seems like silent mode only effects the "alert" profile then.
[14:55] <ted> kenvandine! jgdx is in the house!
[14:56] <kenvandine> :)
[15:01] <ichigo-roku> I don't know why, but I can't unlock my sim card because it tells me that I don't have any sim card, I tried to remove it and put it again but nothing is working, if I reboot to Android, I can unlock it correctly. On Ubuntu Touch I could only unlock it on the first boot, after that I rebooted my phone, I can't unlock my sim card anymore, it tells me each time that I don't have any sim card, do you have any idea ? Thanks for your he
[15:01] <ichigo-roku> lp
[15:02] <jgdx> ichigo-roku, Hotswapping support is lacking, so remove/insert does not work very well. Could you reboot your phone and report back?
[15:03] <jgdx> (with the SIM inserted)
[15:03] <ichigo-roku> jgdx, sorry I forgot to tell that I have also rebooted serveral times
[15:03] <rabe_> Hi everyone,
[15:03] <ichigo-roku> But that didn't work
[15:04] <jgdx> ichigo-roku, is there a SIM entry in the Network indicator?
[15:04] <jgdx> ichigo-roku, important too is your phone, what model is it?
[15:05] <ichigo-roku> It's written "No sim card", I have an Nexus 5, which is not officially supported I think
[15:06] <rabe_> Quick question: are any additional steps necessary to activate adb on the phone, after I installed it? I can see it when I am booted into recovery, but when I boot into the normal system, it doesn't show up.
[15:06] <kenvandine> rabe_, enable developer mode
[15:06] <kenvandine> in system-settings, under about
[15:07] <rabe_> would there be a way to do this without touch input? My screen is broken, and I just want to fiddle around with the otherwise useless phone?
[15:07] <kenvandine> rabe_, you can do it with ubuntu-device-flash
[15:07] <kenvandine> there are args to enable developer and set the password
[15:07] <kenvandine> you can do that without wiping
[15:08] <rabe_> I see, thanks for the answer, I will read through the manual :)
[15:08] <jgdx> ichigo-roku, right, not sure if I can help you with that.
[15:08] <kenvandine> ichigo-roku, do you have developer mode enabled?
[15:08] <kenvandine> if so... get a shell on it and run this
[15:08] <kenvandine> /usr/share/ofono/scripts/list-modems
[15:09] <ichigo-roku> kenvandine, I don't have the developer mode enabled right now
[15:10] <ichigo-roku> OK I'll try that
[15:13] <ichigo-roku> kenvandine, I got some results what information do you need ?
[15:15] <kenvandine> look for information that should be from you sim
[15:15] <kenvandine> like what's under SimManager maybe
[15:15] <rabe_> @kevandine, do you by chance know the args to enable adb? I can't see it in the manual and a quick google search didn't turn up anything useful
[15:16] <kenvandine>  rabe_ run 'ubuntu-device-flash -h'
[15:16] <kenvandine> to see the args
[15:16] <rsalveti> ted: yeah, that's why for me it should just be a mute for the alert role
[15:16] <kenvandine>  --developer-mode --password=0000
[15:16] <kenvandine> something like that
[15:16] <kenvandine> to set the pass to 0000
[15:16] <ichigo-roku> kenvandine, under SimManager I have "Present = 0"
[15:17] <kenvandine> ichigo-roku, ok... i'm out of ideas... sorry
[15:18] <kenvandine> dobey, did you have to do anything for your nexus 5 ?
[15:18] <sergiusens> kenvandine: rabe_ you need to do that from recovery though as adb isn't enable anyways and if it were you wouldn't need this ;-)
[15:19] <ted> rsalveti, As much as I don't want to do the work, I think that should probably happen in indicator-sound. Does that make sense to you?
[15:20] <rabe_> Alright, seems like I first have to enable developer mode. Will do that and then set the password. Thanks guys!
[15:20] <ichigo-roku> kenvandine, thanks for your help!
[15:21] <kenvandine> ichigo-roku, no problem
[15:21] <rsalveti> ted: what is the work item?
[15:22] <ted> rsalveti, When the AS value changes, mute the alert role.
[15:22] <ted> (or unmute)
[15:24] <dobey> kenvandine: huh?
[15:24] <kenvandine> ichigo-roku's n5 isn't seeing his sim
[15:24] <dobey> oh. no idea
[15:25] <dobey> i don't have a locked sim
[15:25] <dobey> i can put it in anything and it works
[15:25] <dobey> well, unless the software is broken or something
[15:26] <dobey> sometimes after reboot in the past i have noticed the modem didn't come up
[15:26] <dobey> but aside from that, no problems with the sim, no
[15:26] <rsalveti> ted: it could be (and it'd be easier doing that there now)
[15:26] <dobey> i'm also not using dualboot or multirom for it. only ubuntu
[15:26] <dobey> (not sure if that makes any difference)
[15:26] <rsalveti> ted: then there's the problem of what to show as an icon
[15:27] <rsalveti> I just replied the thread
[15:27] <ted> rsalveti, Yeah, saw that. I think we may need to start including design there.
[15:27] <dobey> haybe a hollow ate it
[15:27] <rsalveti> ted: yeah
[15:28] <dobey> bah, ralsina_; you broke my mail client :P
[15:28] <ted> rsalveti, So I'm good with silent mode being only about alert volume. And I'll make a ticket to track implementing that. I'll also start a thread on what he panel icon should be.
[15:28] <rsalveti> ted: great, thanks
[15:28] <dobey> wtf
[15:29] <ted> rsalveti, Have you brought up the concept of roles with design already, or should I start there?
[15:29] <ichigo-roku> Well I'll try without multirom maybe it'll solve the problem
[15:29] <dobey> i don't think nhaines or cwayne have had any sim problems on their n5s either (not sure if they are using dual boot or what)
[15:29] <rsalveti> ted: I discussed that with mpt before, but just on irc, not yet as an official thread with the design team
[15:29] <nhaines> ichigo-roku: I do use multirom for my N5 and don't have any problems with my sim card.
[15:30] <cwayne> dobey: no issues here (except tmobile trying to use ipv6), am using dualboot
[15:30] <dobey> maybe it's just the provider/sim that's the problem
[15:30] <ted> rsalveti, Ah, okay.
[15:30] <nhaines> cwayne: is there any fix in sight for the T-Mobile USA problem, btw?
[15:30] <dobey> cwayne: well, ipv6 can be worked around at least. but the mms proxy thing is a bigger problem
[15:30] <ichigo-roku> nhaines, which branch are you using ?
[15:31] <dobey> nhaines: which t-mo problem? :)
[15:31] <cwayne> nhaines: none that i know of
[15:31] <nhaines> ichigo-roku: used to be devel and devel-proposed, but currently ubuntu-rtm/14.09
[15:31] <nhaines> dobey: the one where the APN database got dropped and now T-Mobile uses an ipv6 gateway.
[15:31] <ichigo-roku> I'll try it just in case, thanks
[15:31] <dobey> nhaines: does tweaking the gprs file no longer work?
[15:32] <nhaines> dobey: it works fine but is nothing suitable for a retail phone.
[15:32] <nhaines> (Although the wifi to 4G handoff is super flakey.)
[15:32] <dobey> nhaines: oh, well APN editor is supposed to be landing very soon
[15:32] <dobey> yeah, wifi/data switching has been annoyingly flaky for me too
[15:33] <nhaines> That's a half-measure but it will be way more convenient for me.  :)
[15:33] <dobey> eh, i tweaked the gprs file a month ago and haven't touched it sense
[15:33] <dobey> i wish the mms thing would get fixed though
[15:34] <nhaines> I guess I'm just confused as to why it was working, then broke, and the problem's known but ignored.  (I got the impression it wasn't difficult to fix or else it would make more sense.)
[15:34] <nhaines> I reflash the phone pretty often.
[15:34] <sergiusens> dobey: which mms thing?
[15:34] <dobey> sergiusens: t-mo us doesn't use the proxy or gateway or whatever, and ofono currently doesn't work with that configuration
[15:35] <sergiusens> dobey: we removed the "proxy" requirment last week as part of the "free/france/orange" work
[15:35] <dobey> sergiusens: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ofono/+bug/1360403
[15:35] <dobey> oh
[15:35] <sergiusens> dobey: yeah, and at the end I added a comment :-P
[15:36] <dobey> just saw that
[15:36] <sergiusens> dobey: athought I do know of a recv bug anyways ;-)
[15:36] <dobey> oh so i can't have someone send me a picture to test it? :P
[15:36] <nhaines> Well, I'm going to let you guys get to work and cross my fingers for a new promoted image today.  I have to get some work done before I pick up Smash Bros.  :P
[15:36] <kenvandine> jgdx, oh... that's proposed to merge into the other branch
[15:37] <nhaines> Good luck, everyone.
[15:37] <kenvandine> jgdx, we'd need someone else to merge that
[15:37] <kenvandine> jgdx, propose it against trunk with the other branch as a prereq
[15:37] <kenvandine> or...
[15:37] <kenvandine> actually i think i can merge that :)
[15:38] <dobey> anyway, time to get lunch
[15:38] <jgdx> kenvandine, awesome. you need to merge 983
[15:39] <jgdx> do we have a test plan for this?
[15:39] <kenvandine> there was something added to it
[15:39] <kenvandine> but not sure it includes enough detail
[15:39] <jgdx> right, it's pretty basic
[15:40] <kenvandine> tricky thing is whoever is testing it needs to know what info to put in for their carrier
[15:40] <kenvandine> so it assumes some level of knowledge
[15:41] <kenvandine> i think the test plan needs to explain it a bit more, to help the tester know how to find the info and what info they need
[15:41] <jgdx> would be easier if we could see the current apn settings
[15:42] <kenvandine> true
[15:43] <kenvandine> jgdx, merged, and includes 983 :)
[15:44] <jgdx> kenvandine, when I installed debs from yesterday, I got no APN editor. Today, I get the APN editor. This is why the dual sim testing result comes now.
[15:44] <jgdx> kenvandine, awesome :)
[15:44] <jgdx> kenvandine, I don't see the carrier APN when in multisim. I'll check out what's going on.
[15:44] <ralsina_> dobey: *I* broke your mail client???
[15:45] <kenvandine> jgdx, should i hold off rebuilding the silo?
[15:46] <jgdx> kenvandine, not sure I can fix this before EOD though
[15:46] <kenvandine> jgdx, ok, just let me know
[15:47] <jgdx> kenvandine, looking at http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/8486650/
[15:47] <jgdx> kenvandine, nm
[15:47] <jgdx> unrelated
[15:47] <kenvandine> but that should be specific to the sim
[15:52] <jgdx> kenvandine, hmm, not sure what that was. I went away when I tried it with r983 from my branch
[15:52] <jgdx> kenvandine, go silo!
[15:53] <kenvandine> jgdx, woot
[15:53] <kenvandine> pmcgowan, ^^
[15:53] <kenvandine> ok... i'll build the silo
[15:53] <kenvandine> jgdx, oh... your undo commit :)
[15:53] <kenvandine> checking for powered... that would do it
[15:54] <pmcgowan> cool
[15:54] <jgdx> kenvandine, that wasn't the cause, since I was inside the APN choosing thing.
[15:54] <kenvandine> oh... ok
[15:54] <kenvandine> i'm going to wait a few to rebuild
[15:54] <jgdx> but yeah, that would be embarrassing
[15:55] <kenvandine> after i merge/clean silo 24
[15:55] <kenvandine> otherwise we'll need yet another rebuild
[15:55] <kenvandine> jgdx, will you be able to check maybe a little later to kick the tires on the silo?
[15:56] <jgdx> kenvandine, certainly. Unless I become an uncle later, then no. :)
[15:56] <kenvandine> it might not be a great thing to publish late on a friday.... but i know this has been stressing pmcgowan out ;)
[15:57] <kenvandine> jgdx, that would be understandable :)
[15:57] <jgdx> yup
[15:57] <kenvandine> and we're are still awaiting QA verification for another rtm silo
[15:59] <pmcgowan> kenvandine, do you think its risky? it doesnt affect existing features
[16:00] <kenvandine> it shouldn't :)
[16:00] <kenvandine> i just worry if someone tries to change their apn... and shoot themselves with a broken phone for the weekend
[16:00] <kenvandine> pmcgowan, can you help test the silo too?  once i build it
[16:01] <pmcgowan> hmm kenvandine did the reset option get in? I think its not
[16:01] <kenvandine> it might be another 30m or so before i can merge/clean the other silo
[16:01] <pmcgowan> ok sure
[16:01] <kenvandine> i don't think it is
[16:01] <pmcgowan> thats kindof an issue
[16:01] <kenvandine> yeah... worries me
[16:02] <kenvandine> i know i've had one weekend since i started dogfooding where my phone didn't work
[16:02] <kenvandine> it was annoying... to say the least
[16:02] <pmcgowan> so I recall we cannot dynamically reset, but can delete and reboot
[16:02] <kenvandine> but one weekend in over a year of it being my only phone :)
[16:02] <kenvandine> not bad...
[16:02] <pmcgowan> yeah prettty good
[16:02] <kenvandine> and it was like last december... so really early
[16:03] <kenvandine> my wife was pretty ticked off though... she couldn't call me :)
[16:03] <pmcgowan> lol
[16:03] <ralsina_> mardy: ping. I have a branch here that seems to not work with the new signon access control stuff. Any pointers as to how to fix it, much appreciated:  https://code.launchpad.net/~ralsina/account-polld/use-webapp-ids-respect-blacklist
[16:03] <kenvandine> she's still pretty upset that her MMS messages to me go to /dev/null :)
[16:03] <pmcgowan> kenvandine, why is that?
[16:03] <ralsina_> mardy: data points, current account-polld works, this one without the access control works, this one with access controls doesn' t.
[16:03] <kenvandine> t-mobile
[16:03] <kenvandine> MMS doesn't work
[16:04] <pmcgowan> do you know why?
[16:04] <kenvandine> or didn't last i checked...
[16:04] <kenvandine> something context related... there's a known bug
[16:04] <pmcgowan> I think they should
[16:04] <pmcgowan> hmm
[16:04] <kenvandine> it has never worked
[16:04] <kenvandine> i'll try it again
[16:04] <kenvandine> it didn't work like 2 weeks ago
[16:04] <pmcgowan> ta fix for mms just landed in nuntium
[16:04] <pmcgowan> that may be it
[16:04] <kenvandine> it was broken for a year... i got used to it :)
[16:06] <pmcgowan> kenvandine, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nuntium/+bug/1370660
[16:10] <kenvandine> pmcgowan, ok... so that means it still won't work, until we expose another setting? or does the APN editor address that?
[16:10] <pmcgowan> kenvandine, the editor "should"
[16:11] <pmcgowan> not sure if there is an api to call or its down below
[16:11] <pmcgowan> sergiusens, ?
[16:12] <kenvandine> pmcgowan, but the apneditor branch we already have doesn't fix this though... right?
[16:13] <pmcgowan> kenvandine, I dont know if the editor needs to do more than set the context to have it work
[16:14] <kenvandine> i guess i can try that out when the silo builds :)
[16:14] <pmcgowan> ideed
[16:18] <chrisc> is there a ticket for encrypted home with ubuntu-touch?
[16:19] <ramio> hi
[16:22] <ramio> ok,so i wonder when will ubuntu touch be offically available
[16:22] <ramio> and is it possible to install it safely and use it safely now ?
[16:23] <chrisc> ramio it is available now, see the topic for links
[16:24] <ramio> the welcoming link of this channel ?
[16:24] <ramio> what if iam a not that expert in installing OS on phones ?
[16:25] <chrisc> ramio: you should be able to type: "/topic" to get the channel topic
[16:26] <chrisc> ramio: you might be best waiting till you can buy a already installed phone, the only "officially" supported phone is a goolge/lg nexus 5
[16:26] <ramio> not nexus 4 ?
[16:26] <chrisc> oh yes!
[16:26] <chrisc> 4 :-)
[16:26] <ramio> ok
[16:27] <ramio> so when will they do that ?
[16:28] <chrisc> i don't know
[16:28] <ramio> i searhed all the web but not heard any news about when such phones will be available :(
[16:29] <chrisc> ramio: there are aticles like this out there http://news.softpedia.com/news/Meizu-Confirms-MX4-Ubuntu-Touch-Release-for-December-2014-458782.shtml
[16:29] <ramio> is is OS for nexus 4 stable ?
[16:29] <chrisc> i have no idea how true they are
[16:30] <chrisc> seems stable to me, but i don't have a sim card in my phone and mostly only use the terminal application...
[16:31] <ramio> doesnot the applications have any GUI ??
[16:31] <chrisc> yes it does, it's nice, better than android in some ways
[16:32] <elopio> ping ted, jdstrand: In order to create a new user, the test would need root permissions. How would you solve that part?
[16:32] <ted> elopio, sudo
[16:33] <ramio> then why you mostly use only terminal application ... is this the only application that workes better ?
[16:33] <jdstrand> I figured it would be handled by the test harness
[16:33] <jdstrand> maybe it grows a 'newuser' option or something
[16:33] <jdstrand> maybe it already has one
[16:33] <chrisc> because it's mostly all i need
[16:34] <ramio> terminal application in phone !!! O.O well this makes me more excited to try ubuntu touch ... cannot wait it !!
[16:35] <chrisc> well you you can get one on android too, cyanogenmod comes with one by default
[16:36] <ramio> dual-boot ?
[16:36] <chrisc> that is also possible, but i wasn't meaning that
[16:36] <ted> rsalveti, Ah, found it in the design as I was looking to quote it in the mail ;-) "Whenever audio is playing, both the indicator and the volume slider should show the volume of the primary sound output. Whenever audio is not playing, they should show the ringer volume."
[16:37] <chrisc> ramio: https://f-droid.org/repository/browse/?fdfilter=terminal&fdid=jackpal.androidterm
[16:37] <ted> rsalveti, So basically we need to change the icon based on the role as well.
[16:37] <ramio> chrics , what did you mean ? i didnot understand what mentoned to ...
[16:38] <chrisc> i ment you can have a terminal on android
[16:38] <ramio> ok
[16:39] <ramio> is cyanogenmod an phone os like ubntu touch and windows phone ?
[16:39] <chrisc> it's a version of android, http://cyanogenmod.org/
[16:40] <chrisc> yes it's a phone os
[16:40] <ramio> ok and how could it help installing ubuntu touch ?
[16:41] <chrisc> urm, it doesn't, i just mentioned it as an example of a phone os with a terminal
[16:41] <ramio> got it ,sorry that i didnot understand you quickly ^_^
[16:41] <chrisc> though the install process for cyanogenmod and ubuntu touch are the same for some parts
[16:41] <chrisc> buth use adb
[16:41] <chrisc> both
[16:42] <chrisc> http://wiki.cyanogenmod.org/w/Adb
[16:42] <ramio> do i need any hardware to install ubntu touch ?
[16:42] <chrisc> the install instructions are based on a using a computer unning ubuntu
[16:43] <chrisc> so you need that and a usb lead
[16:44] <ramio> i think i would like to try it then ...
[16:44] <ramio> and do i need any specfic software on my phone or my pc ?
[16:45] <chrisc> ramio: http://developer.ubuntu.com/start/ubuntu-for-devices/installing-ubuntu-for-devices/
[16:48] <ramio> is nexus 4 the only device that is available ?
[16:49] <chrisc> there are other unofficial ports
[16:50] <ramio> like nexus 5 and nexus 10 ? what about Galaxy ?
[16:50] <chrisc> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[16:51] <dobey> ralsina_: yes. for some reason when i try to reply to your mail, evolution is hanging
[16:51] <ralsina_> dobey: a-mazing
[16:52] <dobey> ralsina_: oh, not just your mail i guess. wtf
[16:55] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: just saw the blank '?' addressed to me
[16:56]  * sergiusens reads backlog
[16:57] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: kenvandine I know why it doesn't work; I even had a branch linked to it; but for some reason the triaging for the original bug said we needed ofono work and it was too hard; but I ended up fixing all the "proxy" required bugs last week
[16:58] <kenvandine> sergiusens, so do we need settings work? or not?
[16:59] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: kenvandine no, but you need me to land this branch from a while back for recv to work https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ofono/+bug/1360403
[16:59] <kenvandine> sergiusens, cool, but i can't send them either
[17:00] <kenvandine> sergiusens, want to create a MP for that so i can get debs to test?
[17:00] <sergiusens> kenvandine: pmcgowan does it really use ipv6? the proxy part shouldn't be an issue; but ofono doesn't support ipv6 afaik
[17:01] <kenvandine> sergiusens, i manually changed it from ipv6 to ip
[17:01] <sergiusens> kenvandine: and sending still fails?
[17:01] <kenvandine> i needed that to get data at all
[17:01] <kenvandine> yes
[17:01] <sergiusens> kenvandine: that MP only has a fix for push notification decoding, so it won't fix that
[17:01] <kenvandine> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/8487088/
[17:02] <sergiusens> kenvandine: can you try sending and tcpdump the comm?
[17:02] <kenvandine> sergiusens, ^^^ that's from me sending
[17:02] <[microMXL]> is there any way to manually install 14.10 on grouper? I'm not using another distro of linux at the moment
[17:02] <sergiusens> kenvandine: oh, another witch hunt :-P '0' is not in spec for response codes :-P
[17:02] <kenvandine> sergiusens, good times :)
[17:03] <kenvandine> well... it would be a big step if your branch fixes receiving them at least :)
[17:03] <kenvandine> which i'd be happy to confirm, if you could get CI debs :)
[17:03] <[microMXL]> already downloaded utopic-preinstalled-boot-armhf+grouper.img utopic-preinstalled-recovery-armel+grouper.img utopic-preinstalled-system-armel+grouper.img and utopic-preinstalled-touch-armhf.tar.gz
[17:03] <sergiusens> kenvandine: ok, I'll polish; it should get you one step further
[17:04] <kenvandine> sergiusens, awesome!  just ping me when you need testing
[17:04] <dobey> [microMXL]: i wouldn't really advise it. tegra doesn't work very well. it would be not at all usable even if you do manage to get it booting
[17:05] <[microMXL]> I tried to install via dualboot but it wants to download trusty, guess I'll try that one :D
[17:07] <dobey> yes, the last image built for grouper was from trusty
[17:07] <dobey> but it's not at all usable, due to the driver issues on tegra
[17:08] <[microMXL]> ahh perfect
[17:08] <[microMXL]> I have a mako over here, would that work better?
[17:08] <dobey> yes, mako is pretty well supported
[17:09] <[microMXL]> thanx man
[17:09] <[microMXL]> I'll be back after downloading the mako stuff :D
[17:30] <dobey> oh i guess some update i installed this morning just made evolution incredibly slow when trying to reply
[17:31] <sergiusens> kenvandine: no need for MP actually, http://people.canonical.com/~sergiusens/mms/t-mobile/nuntium (I replaced the one date july 8 from when I did this original branch)
[17:31] <sergiusens> kenvandine: replace the binary or 'stop nuntium' and launch this from /tmp /home/phablet or wherever you copied it and try a recv
[17:32] <sergiusens> kenvandine: if it failes, I'd like to see the nuntium log or console output
[17:33] <kenvandine> sergiusens, cool, trying
[17:33] <rsalveti> ted: right, the volume icon changes depending on the role, when they are active
[17:33] <rsalveti> ted: the question is more to what kind of icon we want in there
[17:33] <rsalveti> and if we indeed want to show the volume level as part of the icon
[17:49] <ted> rsalveti, Oh, you're saying change the actual volume icon itself.
[17:50] <rsalveti> yeah, next utopic image should have all the changes I did
[17:50] <rsalveti> and with that you can see what I'm saying
[17:50] <ted> i.e. volume-high-multimedia
[17:50] <ted> vs. volume-high-alert
[17:50] <rsalveti> basically if you set the alert to 10%, and then play something (with multimedia as 100%), the icon will change once the stream is active
[17:50] <rsalveti> and if you pause, it'll move back to 10%
[17:50] <ted> We have standard icon fallbacks. We could just put that in and let the icon theme do what they want ;-)
[17:50] <rsalveti> after hitting play again, it'll change to 100%
[17:51] <rsalveti> that is kind of weird, and explains why android and iphone are not actually showing the volume level as part of the icon
[17:51] <rsalveti> right
[17:51] <ted> Yeah, okay. Sorry I was thinking of a different question.
[17:52] <kenvandine> sergiusens, no joy, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/8487349/
[17:52] <rsalveti> and I also noticed that we can now easily reproduce another issue that I saw before when connecting/disconnecting a bluetooth device
[17:52] <kenvandine> sergiusens, same proxy:0
[17:53] <kenvandine> i assume that is an error code?
[17:53] <rsalveti> when the volume changes, sometimes it seems there's a small delay of 1 sec that moves back the volume to the previous setting
[17:53] <sergiusens> kenvandine: no, that is the proxy information, it's correct
[17:53] <kenvandine> ok
[17:53] <sergiusens> kenvandine: as there isn't any :-)
[17:53] <rsalveti> so if I change from 10% to 100% when playing a multimedia stream, sometimes the indicator moves back to 10% after setting it to 100%
[17:53] <kenvandine> sergiusens, so correct, just broken?
[17:53] <sergiusens> kenvandine: can you wget http://atl2mosget.msg.eng.t-mobile.com/mms/wapenc?T=mavodi-7-13b-231-2-ca-2586987
[17:53] <rsalveti> and I saw that this is not because of pulse
[17:54] <rsalveti> but need to investigate a bit more
[17:54] <sergiusens> kenvandine: it's correct; that log I guess is only useful to me
[17:54] <ted> rsalveti, Hmm, okay. Keep me posted. I don't have any BT devices setup, but I can find one if needed.
[17:54] <kenvandine> Connecting to atl2mosget.msg.eng.t-mobile.com (atl2mosget.msg.eng.t-mobile.com)|66.94.0.188|:443... connected.
[17:54] <kenvandine> sergiusens, but just sitting there
[17:55] <rsalveti> ted: sure, will try to investigate it further and open a bug for it
[17:55] <sergiusens> kenvandine: ok, is this a separate mms context or combined one, that said, we are one step further in the chain ;-)
[17:55] <kenvandine> Unable to establish SSL connection.
[17:55] <kenvandine> sergiusens, not sure what serparate or combined is :)
[17:56] <kenvandine> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/8487372/
[17:56] <sergiusens> kenvandine: combined: a context of type internet with a messagecenter
[17:56] <kenvandine> so yes
[17:58] <sergiusens> kenvandine: is the wget call (or nuntium udm call) going out through wifi or 3g?
[17:58] <sergiusens> kenvandine: easy way to see, is to disable wifi and see if it works
[17:58] <kenvandine> sergiusens, i am connected to wifi
[17:58] <kenvandine> ok
[17:59] <kenvandine> sergiusens, wow... without wifi it looked much more promising
[18:00] <kenvandine> but still blew up :)
[18:00] <kenvandine> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/8487392/
[18:00] <kenvandine> sergiusens, not sure why it says starting upload though
[18:00] <kenvandine> it should of been a download
[18:01] <kenvandine> oh... download then upload?
[18:02] <sergiusens> kenvandine: mms is like the worst; it has a reinvented protocol that compresses http to send over http anyways
[18:02] <sergiusens> kenvandine: the upload is the "ack" that it needs
[18:02] <kenvandine> sergiusens, so the wget does work
[18:02] <kenvandine> when disconnected from wifi
[18:04] <sergiusens> kenvandine: ok, do nuntium as an upstart "service", that dbus error is strange
[18:04] <sergiusens> kenvandine: but it should work
[18:04] <sergiusens> kenvandine: also one more thing, can you dig/ping an get me the ip for mms.msg.eng.t-mobile.com
[18:05] <sergiusens> kenvandine: syslog should have some errors about the host route not being able to be set
[18:06] <kenvandine> sergiusens, same error when started with upstart
[18:06] <kenvandine> 2014/10/03 14:06:06 Unable to store the preferred context for MMS: write unix @/tmp/dbus-5kXtdy5uKy: broken pipe
[18:06] <cwayne> huh, having an issue creating a click chroot, because of 'install-info' not installing properly
[18:06] <cwayne> cjwatson: bzoltan: ^ is this a known issue?
[18:07] <kenvandine> sergiusens, 10.184.75.129
[18:07] <sergiusens> kenvandine: thatshouldn't affect the download though
[18:07] <sergiusens> kenvandine: aha; it's different "on the internet"
[18:08] <kenvandine> Oct  3 13:27:47 ubuntu-phablet /03mmsproxy: Adding route for MMS connection /310260548354685/context1 on /ril_0 (/ril_0)
[18:08] <kenvandine> Oct  3 13:27:47 ubuntu-phablet /03mmsproxy: failed to add route: 'Gateway'
[18:08] <kenvandine> sergiusens, ^^
[18:09] <kenvandine> sergiusens, i suppose that's probably why it didn't work with wifi enabled
[18:09] <sergiusens> kenvandine: yup
[18:09] <kenvandine> should i try a reboot now to see if something else is hosed?
[18:10] <sergiusens> kenvandine: yeah maybe, the write unix @/tmp/dbus-5kXtdy5uKy confuses me a lot
[18:12] <sergiusens> cyphermox_: hey, do you have a second?
[18:13] <sergiusens> cyphermox_: Oct  3 13:27:47 ubuntu-phablet /03mmsproxy: failed to add route: 'Gateway' is basically a KeyError, but the contexts do have it listed
[18:13] <sergiusens> cyphermox_: in http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/8487372/ ; any ideas?
[18:15] <sergiusens> bah, that's just used for logging...
[18:17] <kenvandine> sergiusens, same thing after rebooting
[18:20] <sergiusens> kenvandine: can you manually apply the changes to the file from the diff http://paste.ubuntu.com/8487489/ ?
[18:20] <sergiusens> kenvandine: same with the "set pref context you mean"
[18:22] <kenvandine> sergiusens, "set pref context you mean" ?
[18:22] <kenvandine> sergiusens, so with that patch, i should be able to see something with wifi enabled?
[18:22] <cyphermox_> sergiusens: I don't know
[18:23] <cyphermox_> sergiusens: could you paste the full error?
[18:23] <sergiusens> cyphermox_: it's just that :-)
[18:23] <cyphermox_> clearly not
[18:23] <cyphermox_> send me all of syslog, I'll take a look
[18:23] <sergiusens> cyphermox_: well it's what ken pasted
[18:23] <kenvandine> i can paste more
[18:24] <cyphermox_> kenvandine: nah
[18:24] <sergiusens> cyphermox_: Oct  3 13:27:47 ubuntu-phablet /03mmsproxy: Adding route for MMS connection /310260548354685/context1 on /ril_0 (/ril_0)
[18:24] <sergiusens> Oct  3 13:27:47 ubuntu-phablet /03mmsproxy: failed to add route: 'Gateway'
[18:24] <pityuka44__> Hi, I'd like to know if there is any software source for ubuntu touch
[18:24] <cyphermox_> reproduce the bug, but add a call to env as well in another script, say 04env
[18:24] <kenvandine> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/8487524/
[18:24] <kenvandine> cyphermox_, ^^
[18:24] <sergiusens> cyphermox_: only mention of 'Gateway' is for a syslog call
[18:24] <sergiusens> so I created that debdiff for kenvandine to test
[18:25] <pityuka44__> I mean how many apps are there already?
[18:25] <sergiusens> kenvandine: it should, but not sure; as the ip returned from the internet is different than the apn
[18:25] <cyphermox_> so did it not just fail because the connection got killed?
[18:25] <kenvandine> sergiusens, trying
[18:25] <kenvandine> cyphermox_, it couldn't connect to the mms ip with wifi enabled
[18:26] <kenvandine> disabling wifi fixed it
[18:26] <cyphermox_> Oct  3 13:06:44 ubuntu-phablet NetworkManager[1485]: <info> (/ril_0): device state change: activated -> failed (reason 'ip-config-unavailable') [100 120 5]
[18:26] <cyphermox_> Oct  3 13:06:44 ubuntu-phablet NetworkManager[1485]: <warn> Activation (/ril_0) failed for connection '/310260548354685/context1'
[18:26] <cyphermox_> I don't know, none of it makes sense
[18:26] <cyphermox_> there's no relation between wifi and mms
[18:27] <kenvandine> cyphermox_, it looked like it was trying to use the wrong route
[18:27] <cyphermox_> what makes you say that?
[18:27] <kenvandine> wget failed
[18:27] <kenvandine> for the url nuntium was trying to download
[18:27] <kenvandine> disabling wifi
[18:27] <cyphermox_> you don't even have a messageproxy here
[18:27] <kenvandine> and wget worked
[18:28] <cyphermox_> sergiusens: I doubt working around the fact that gateway isn't available will make anything work better
[18:28] <sergiusens> cyphermox_: nope
[18:28] <kenvandine> sergiusens, it didn't help
[18:28] <kenvandine> same thing
[18:29] <kenvandine> disabling wifi and wget works again
[18:29] <kenvandine> sergiusens, maybe this is the ofono problem that was said to be hard to fix
[18:29] <sergiusens> cyphermox_: also, IP returned for the host name is different
[18:29] <sergiusens> kenvandine: it's a routing issue, nothing more ;-)
[18:29] <cyphermox_> you mean compared to on mobile and wifi?
[18:29] <sergiusens> kenvandine: and I'll check the nuntium thing in a bit
[18:29] <sergiusens> cyphermox_: yes
[18:30] <cyphermox_> there's not much you can do about that
[18:30] <kenvandine> cyphermox_, with wifi enabled, it fails to download content from the url
[18:30] <sergiusens> cyphermox_: not sure we should hard code the "route"
[18:30] <sergiusens> kenvandine: did syslog report the same problem with the route add?
[18:30] <cyphermox_> sergiusens: no
[18:30] <kenvandine> actually, check this out
[18:30] <kenvandine> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/8487562/
[18:31] <kenvandine> so with wget
[18:31] <kenvandine> it does connect... but ultimately fails
[18:31] <kenvandine> Connecting to snq2mosget.msg.eng.t-mobile.com (snq2mosget.msg.eng.t-mobile.com)|66.94.0.185|:443... connected.
[18:31] <kenvandine> Unable to establish SSL connection.
[18:31] <kenvandine> disabling wifi and that doesn't happen
[18:31] <kenvandine> so doesn't sound like routing
[18:31] <kenvandine> OH
[18:31] <kenvandine> different IP
[18:32] <kenvandine> 66.94.0.185 vs 10.176.75.130
[18:32] <kenvandine> interesting, it resolves differently
[18:32] <sergiusens> kenvandine: yeah :-)
[18:32] <sergiusens> kenvandine: because the gethostbyname call obviously resolves with the main nameserver (over wifi)
[18:32] <cyphermox_> right
[18:32] <kenvandine> sergiusens, syslog still logs the same error
[18:33] <cyphermox_> and this is what it should do, it can only resolve via the default gateway
[18:33] <kenvandine>  /03mmsproxy: failed to add route: 'Gateway'
[18:33] <kenvandine> so maybe SSL fails because the cert doesn't match or something?
[18:33] <cyphermox_> no
[18:34] <sergiusens> cyphermox_: you sure having a table of these to resolve isn't what android does?
[18:34] <cyphermox_> sure
[18:34] <cyphermox_> any network is free to resolve differently if you're on it vs. outside it
[18:35] <kenvandine> would it magically work if we had ipv6 support? since that is what t-mobile tries to make us do?
[18:35] <sergiusens> kenvandine: the only security for MMS is the ip you have from your context
[18:35] <cyphermox_> kenvandine: right now you clearly aren't getting IPv6, so that wouldn't help in any way
[18:36] <kenvandine> cyphermox_, yes, we have to manually change the context from ipv6 to ip
[18:36] <cyphermox_> file a bug and it will be next on my plate
[18:36]  * jdstrand is very looking forward to mms on t-mobile us
[18:36] <kenvandine> cyphermox_, bug 1360403
[18:37] <kenvandine> been there for a while
[18:40] <sergiusens> kenvandine: can you pkill -SIGABRT nuntium and give me the trace it generates ?
[18:40] <sergiusens> kenvandine: after that place it gets stuck in
[18:45] <sergiusens> kenvandine: and retest but dbus-monitor interface=org.ofono.mms.Service ?
[18:45] <kenvandine> sergiusens, sure
[18:46] <kenvandine> sergiusens, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/8487638/
[18:48] <kenvandine> sergiusens, and this
[18:48] <kenvandine> signal sender=:1.106 -> dest=(null destination) serial=8 path=/org/ofono/mms/310260548354685; interface=org.ofono.mms.Service; member=PropertyChanged
[18:48] <kenvandine>    string "PreferredContext"
[18:48] <kenvandine>    variant       object path "/ril_0/context1"
[18:49] <kenvandine> pmcgowan, jgdx: silo 20 with apneditor is built, please test when you can
[18:50] <pmcgowan> ack
[18:53] <bzoltan> cwayne: utopic or trusty? what click and qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu version?
[18:54] <cwayne> bzoltan: trusty, was doing it from cli, click version 0.4.32.1
[18:55] <bzoltan> cwayne:  what PPA the click is from? The SDK PPA has 0.4.33
[18:56] <cwayne> bzoltan: i think it's just from the archive, not a ppa
[18:56] <cwayne> which ppa has 0.4.33?
[18:58] <cjwatson> cwayne: do you have a log?
[18:58] <cjwatson> obviously unlikely to be a click bug as such but perhaps I can help
[18:58] <cwayne> cjwatson: i'd logged a bug here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/savilerow/+bug/1377278  is there any specific log that'd be helpful to attach?
[18:58] <bzoltan> cwayne:  I do not have access to Trusty right now. I think that version is newer than the stock click in T
[19:01] <cjwatson> cwayne: the output of click chroot.  looks like you have it
[19:02] <cjwatson> cwayne: what's $PATH?
[19:02] <cjwatson> in the shell where you're calling click chroot
[19:02] <sergiusens> kenvandine: is that all from the dbus monitor? :-/
[19:02] <kenvandine> sergiusens, yes....
[19:03] <cwayne> cjwatson: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8487754/
[19:03] <sergiusens> kenvandine: MessageAdded never goes out, but the dbus error make no sense as the monitor shows it could be "set"
[19:03] <kenvandine> sergiusens, seems to be a the same time i see the  write unix @/tmp/dbus-K5X3fXpfuM: broken pipe
[19:03] <cjwatson> cwayne: how about: sudo env | grep ^PATH=
[19:03] <cjwatson> cwayne: (you don't need to pastebin this, it's one line)
[19:04] <cwayne> PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin
[19:04] <cjwatson> hm, ok, so why is /usr/sbin apparently not in $PATH when install-info's trigger is processed
[19:04] <cjwatson> bzoltan: there is no conceivable way this is a qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu bug, I'm pretty sure you can stand down :)
[19:05] <sergiusens> kenvandine: I see, download manager is not releasing the download
[19:05] <cwayne> FWIW just updated to 0.4.33.1, same thing
[19:06] <cjwatson> cwayne: can't see how it would make any difference
[19:06] <cwayne> figured, but thought it'd be good to try :)
[19:06] <sergiusens> kenvandine: well, the 'upload'
[19:06] <cjwatson> cwayne: except for the fact that we have not released a 0.4.33.1 :P
[19:06] <sergiusens> kenvandine: with wifi off, can you send btw?
[19:06] <kenvandine> sergiusens, no
[19:06] <cjwatson> bah
[19:07] <cjwatson> bzoltan: use your own namespace for versions please and stop stealing ours :P
[19:07] <cjwatson> bzoltan: backports should be 0.4.33~ubuntu14.04 etc., not 0.4.33.1
[19:07] <cjwatson> bzoltan: now we *have* to release a new version of click before utopic releases in order for upgrades to work properly
[19:08] <cjwatson> backported version numbers should always be just below the version being backported
[19:08] <kenvandine> sergiusens, actually, with wifi off i'm not even seeing it log when trying to send
[19:08] <kenvandine> maybe nuntium is stuck?
[19:08] <sergiusens> kenvandine: oh, yeah restart it; there are some mutexes now that only allow one network op at the time and you have that pending upload still
[19:09] <kenvandine> sergiusens, indeed... after restarting nuntium it does work
[19:09] <kenvandine> without wifi
[19:09] <sergiusens> kenvandine: well if the other end receives it; I know I need to focus on the download manager side at least
[19:10] <kenvandine> sergiusens, yes, received on the other end :)
[19:10] <sergiusens> kenvandine: one out of 2 :-D
[19:11] <sergiusens> kenvandine: ok, I might need to defer the other issue to the sprint if I can't find anything obvious for the perfect fix; I can workaround the problem in nuntium for the stale download manager
[19:12] <sergiusens> kenvandine: just give me a couple for a new nuntium, need to focus on pmcgowan's issues for a bit :-)
[19:12] <mardy> ralsina_: I'm here just very briefly: please send me an e-mail with the syslog (but first, uncomment the line about LoggingLevel in /etc/signond.conf, and try again)
[19:12] <ralsina_> mardy: ack
[19:13] <sergiusens> jdstrand: at least with wifi off you can send it seems
[19:13] <sergiusens> I'll be looking at recv for the wifi off case
[19:14] <sergiusens> and defer the route issue to cyphermox_ as he said he'd take care
[19:14] <cyphermox_> aye
[19:14] <kenvandine> that'll make some happy t-mobile users :)
[19:16] <cjwatson> bzoltan: for that matter, you have no changes in your backport, so you don't need to change the version number at all for a build in a PPA.  just use copy-package (lp:ubuntu-archive-tools) to copy it from the primary archive without binaries next time, and you'll get a new build.
[19:16] <cjwatson> though that is more complicated when you need to build for more than one release, which will no doubt be the case in the future.
[19:17] <cjwatson> alternatively, use backportpackage, which has options for uploading to PPAs and gets all this stuff right.
[19:18] <cjwatson> cwayne: well, I'm seeing if I can reproduce this
[19:21] <cwayne> cjwatson: ack, it's on a node in s-jenkins, so i wonder if there's something wonky with the environment there
[19:22] <cjwatson> cwayne: mm, that's what I was wondering about when getting you to show me $PATH, but all looked fine there
[19:22] <cjwatson> so must be something in the distribution itself somewhere
[19:25] <ralsina_> mardy, sergiusens: it seems to have worked now.
[19:25]  * ralsina_ is baffled
[19:26] <sergiusens> logs enabled works and logs disabled fails and always reproduceable == race
[19:26] <ralsina_> sergiusens: it's like taking my son to the doctor, he always gets better on the way
[19:27]  * ralsina_ disables logs and tries again
[19:28] <cjwatson> ralsina_: check he's not Superman
[19:28] <ralsina_> cjwatson: or wolverine
[19:29] <bzoltan> cjwatson: OK, I will do like that next time
[19:29] <cjwatson> thanks :)
[19:33] <cjwatson> cwayne: this is going to take a while on my ADSL - could you just quickly confirm whether /var/lib/schroot/chroots/click-ubuntu-sdk-14.10-armhf/usr/sbin/update-info-dir exists?
[19:34] <cwayne> cjwatson: /var/lib/schroot/chroots seems to be empty
[19:34] <cjwatson> errrrr
[19:34] <cjwatson> that's where click chroot writes to
[19:34] <cjwatson> did you destroy the chroot after the failure?
[19:35] <cjwatson> oh, bah, click chroot create does that automatically :)
[19:35] <cwayne> cjwatson: ah, ill run with -k
[19:35] <cjwatson> cwayne: add --keep-broken-chroot to the end of that command line and try again - will probably be quicker for you than me
[19:35] <cjwatson> yeah
[19:35] <cjwatson> ETA 28min here
[19:35] <cwayne> sure thing, running now
[19:36] <ralsina_> sergiusens, mardy: works without logs. Madness.
[19:38] <cwayne> cjwatson: ok, it does not exist
[19:39] <cwayne> that is /var/lib/schroot/chroots/click-ubuntu-sdk-14.10-armhf/usr/sbin/update-info-dir does not exist
[19:39] <cjwatson> cwayne: but /var/lib/schroot/chroots/click-ubuntu-sdk-14.10-armhf/var/lib/dpkg/info/install-info.postinst does exist?
[19:39] <cwayne> nope, that doesn't seem to exist either
[19:40] <cjwatson> cwayne: err but the log shows it being called ...
[19:40] <cjwatson> /var/lib/dpkg/info/install-info.postinst: 32: /var/lib/dpkg/info/install-info.postinst: update-info-dir: not found
[19:40] <cjwatson> which is supposed to be inside schroot -u root -c source:click-ubuntu-sdk-14.10-armhf
[19:41] <cwayne> yeah, it does't make any sense to me either :) but it's not there
[19:41] <cjwatson> cwayne: could you attach the full output from click chroot create?
[19:41] <cwayne> cjwatson: sure thing
[19:41] <cjwatson> cwayne: and check that there's at least something else in /var/lib/schroot/chroots/click-ubuntu-sdk-14.10-armhf/var/lib/dpkg/info/ (should be lots of files) and that I didn't just typo that
[19:42] <cwayne> cjwatson: yep theres a bunch of stuff there, just no install-info.postinst
[19:42] <cjwatson> how odd.  and the given line number makes sense.
[19:43] <cjwatson> also very strange to see gnupg being upgraded, rather than fresh-installed.
[19:43] <cjwatson> it hasn't been changed in utopic since 2014-06-26
[19:44] <cjwatson> the version it's upgrading from was never in utopic; it's in trusty-security/trusty-updates
[19:46] <cjwatson> it's almost as if it's not actually chrooting at all or something, but how ...
[19:46] <cjwatson> cwayne: if there's a Jenkins job for this then pointing me at it would be fine too
[19:47] <cwayne> cjwatson: just uploaded the log, no jenkins job yet, though I could give you the IP and you could ssh in if you'd like
[19:48] <cjwatson> cwayne: sure, though I really ought to go and play family games, but I could pick the details out of scrollback
[19:48] <cjwatson> my public key's on LP of course
[19:48] <cwayne> cjwatson: sure, no worries, go enjoy some games :)
[19:51] <cjwatson> cwayne: very interested in looking into this while it's reliably reproducible though, so I'll come back later
[19:51] <cwayne> cjwatson: ack, thanks
[19:52] <cjwatson> it really looks as though something wasn't cleaned up
[19:52] <sergiusens> ralsina_: wipe the accounts database and start over? :-P
[19:52] <cjwatson> note how the first log was --unpack and this one is --configure
[20:12] <ralsina_> sergiusens: ok, so, what seems to happen is that for things to work, I need to give the twitter app access to the twitter account!
[20:12] <ralsina_> sergiusens: which in tretrospect seems rather obvious
[20:13] <ralsina_> perhaps that should be enabled by default, tho
[20:15] <cjwatson> bzoltan: this has turned out to be host system misconfig, so neither of our faults. :)
[20:19] <sergiusens> ralsina_: that's why I asked about the "toggles"
[20:19] <sergiusens> :-)
[20:23] <cwayne> jdstrand: hey, im getting someone that has all of their scopes crashing, with the error being   what(): AppArmor profile does not exist
[20:24] <cwayne> jdstrand: should they just re-generate the caches?
[20:25] <jdstrand> cwayne: that is disturbing-- it is certainly because the profiles are not loaded. they can do 'sudo start apparmor' and it should right itself. do you know how they got there? were they fiddling with disabling apparmor or something?
[20:25] <cwayne> jdstrand: they were just installing clicks
[20:25] <jdstrand> how?
[20:26] <jdstrand> pkcon as the user?
[20:26] <cwayne> pkcon as the user
[20:26] <jdstrand> sudo start apparmor ACTION=force-reload
[20:26] <jdstrand> that would do it definitively
[20:26] <jdstrand> cwayne: what version of apparmor do they have?
[20:27] <jdstrand> (a reboot should also correct it)
[20:27] <jdstrand> if someone has steps to reproduce, that person should please file a bug
[20:33] <kenvandine> pmcgowan, have you tried the apneditor silo yet?
[20:33] <kenvandine> i'm not seeing it at all on krillin
[20:33] <pmcgowan> kenvandine, sigh no, debugging mms
[20:34] <pmcgowan> kenvandine, not seeing the option?
[20:34] <kenvandine> nope
[20:34] <kenvandine> not at all
[20:34] <pmcgowan> is it still mrked hidden?
[20:35] <kenvandine> oh.... i think i know why
[20:35] <kenvandine> jgdx has another branch that fixes this
[20:35] <kenvandine> sigh... we need to add the other branch to the silo
[20:36] <kenvandine> the bug for when the sim is in the 2nd slot
[20:36]  * kenvandine moves the sim for testing
[20:36] <kenvandine> i'll add this branch too and get it building again
[20:36] <kenvandine> ugh... i bet it's not going to merge cleanly
[20:37] <pmcgowan> kenvandine, what are we missing?
[20:38] <kenvandine> lp:~jonas-drange/ubuntu-system-settings/cellular-slot2-online-status-not-persisting-1375832/
[20:38] <pmcgowan> kenvandine, and that affects the editor showing up?
[20:39] <kenvandine> yes
[20:39] <kenvandine> if the sim is in the 2nd slot
[20:39] <kenvandine> the cellular panel doesn't really do the right thing
[20:39] <kenvandine> it doesn't show you settings for the right sim
[20:39] <kenvandine> it shows you the one that isn't present
[20:40] <pmcgowan> ah
[20:41] <jgdx> aa
[20:41] <jgdx> right
[20:41] <jgdx> let me fix that test
[20:43] <kenvandine> jgdx, i just resubmitted the apneditor branch with your branch as a prereq
[20:44] <kenvandine> jgdx, do you need to fix anything else?
[20:44] <kenvandine> jgdx, tell me now before i pull the trigger on rebuilding the silo :)
[20:46] <kenvandine> https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-api-team/ubuntu-system-settings/apneditor/+merge/237138
[20:46] <kenvandine> jgdx, ^^
[20:47] <jgdx> kenvandine, not AFAIK
[20:47] <kenvandine> cool
[20:47]  * kenvandine builds
[20:47] <jgdx> but you don't want the slot2 branch?
[20:52] <kenvandine> jgdx, i do... i merged it and made it a prereq
[20:53] <kenvandine> sigh... wtf!
[20:54] <kenvandine> oh, forgot the commit message on the resubmit :)
[20:56]  * ahoneybun dances at the site for an APN editor
[20:57] <ralsina_> sergiusens: got confused because there is *another* toggle in the notifications plugin :-)
[20:57] <kenvandine> ahoneybun, it's coming... soon :)
[20:57] <kenvandine> in landing silo 20 :)
[20:58] <jgdx> kenvandine, so, my branch failed ap tests
[20:58] <jgdx> kenvandine, you need 1109
[20:58] <kenvandine> ok
[20:58] <kenvandine> jgdx, i got 1109
[20:58] <jgdx> kenvandine, that's sweet
[20:58] <kenvandine> in the silo :)
[20:58] <kenvandine> good timing
[20:58] <jgdx> holy moly
[20:59] <kenvandine> 2014-10-03 20:54:56,185 INFO Trying to merge https://code.launchpad.net/~jonas-drange/ubuntu-system-settings/cellular-slot2-online-status-not-persisting-1375832 (at rev 1109) into https://code.launchpad.net/~system-settings-touch/ubuntu-system-settings/trunk
[20:59] <jgdx> score
[20:59] <kenvandine> thx
[20:59] <kenvandine> i've confirmed it shows up now :)
[21:00] <kenvandine> with the sim in the first slot :)
[21:00] <kenvandine> but... i can't risk testing it right now... it's my primary sim... and my daughter is going to be calling me any minute to ask me to pick her up, so can't risk missing that call :)
[21:01] <pmcgowan> kenvandine, lol
[21:01] <kenvandine> i'll test it after i know i won't piss anyone off :)
[21:01] <pmcgowan> kenvandine, dont you have a krillin there?
[21:01] <kenvandine> it is my krillin :)
[21:01] <kenvandine> with my t-mobile sim
[21:01] <pmcgowan> oh
[21:01] <pmcgowan> gotcha
[21:01] <kenvandine> my att sim has no minutes
[21:01] <pmcgowan> you need a test sim
[21:02] <kenvandine> i should buy some... but my sim came with 15 minutes free...
[21:02] <kenvandine> which i haven't been able to activate
[21:02] <kenvandine> ussd errors trying to call the magic number to activate the minutes
[21:03] <kenvandine> ring... ring... whew, didn't miss her call :)
[21:03] <kenvandine> time to run out to get her, bbiab to test it :)
[21:04] <kenvandine> have a good weekend folks
[21:05] <jgdx> kenvandine, have a good one. Shoot me an email when the silo's ready (/me checks if it is)
[21:11] <pdxwebdev> I'm using a Nexus 4 and wifi is not working. no wifi device present in network manager. "error parsing wlan/prima/WCNSS_qcom_cfg.ini" in dmesg
[21:11] <pdxwebdev> any idea how to fix without reimaging?
[21:17] <vitimiti> Hi
[21:23] <pmcgowan> pdxwebdev, you can reflash without wiping your data, but it will wipe anything you added via apt
[21:24] <nith1210> pdxwebdev: You may also want to just try power cycling. I've had that WIFI issue and that fixed it. I didn't collect any data to make any fuss about it though.
[21:24] <nith1210> Although, I'm using a Nexus 5 as well.
[21:25] <pdxwebdev> remove the battery?
[21:25] <nith1210> No, just power off, then power on.
[21:27] <pdxwebdev> it was only an intermittent issue. Now it's every time. Ok, yeah, I did power off the phone. So just flash without the --boostrap flag?
[21:30] <nith1210> I think so but I'm not the right person to ask for that, I'm running it dual booted and so I only ever flashed it once.
[21:31] <jgdx> and no --wipe, just the --channel and maybe --device
[21:32] <pdxwebdev> k
[21:36] <jgdx> pdxwebdev, if it persist, you could do $ ubuntu-bug network-manager # upload the info and describe the problem in a bug
[21:38] <jgdx> err, on the device you'd have to do $ apport-cli network-manager
[23:51] <pdxwebdev> I ran out of free space on my home partition, said apport-cli. So I did a apt-get autoclean and clean, freeing about 150MB. Suddenly wifi works. I don't understand but I don't care either.