[00:11] <diddledan__> there ya go daftykins
[00:11] <daftykins> mmm?
[00:11] <daftykins> diddledan__: what's with the underscores? :)
[00:12] <diddledan__> [01:11:05] 	snarfit (~SnarfIT@saturn.bowlhat.net) joined the channel
[00:12] <diddledan> better!
[00:12] <diddledan> I rebooted my router without disconnecting first so I ended up with underscoritis
[00:13] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkje4FiH9Qc
[00:13] <snarfit> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkje4FiH9Qc: Jesus Christ Superstar (1973) - Everything's Alright - YouTube
[00:13] <diddledan> like?
[00:13] <diddledan> there's zero throttling
[00:13] <diddledan> so it could end up flooding
[00:14] <daftykins> :O
[00:14] <daftykins> nice work sir
[00:19] <diddledan> the code is here: https://github.com/diddledan/snarfit
[00:19] <snarfit> https://github.com/diddledan/snarfit: diddledan/snarfit · GitHub
[00:19] <diddledan> well done, sn
[00:19] <diddledan> burger
[00:19] <diddledan> it didn't like that
[00:19] <daftykins> wow you did something from scratch just for me!
[00:20] <daftykins> d'aww
[00:20] <shauno> making it read its own source may have been a little too introspective for it at this time of night
[00:20] <daftykins> lol
[00:20] <diddledan> hehe
[00:20] <daftykins> its' parting message would've been... "...daddy?"
[00:20] <daftykins> wey-hey, with shauno back it's the late-night trio back in force
[00:20] <daftykins> :)
[00:21] <diddledan> why didn't you like https://github.com/diddledan/snarfit snarfit ?
[00:21] <snarfit> https://github.com/diddledan/snarfit: diddledan/snarfit · GitHub
[00:21] <diddledan> hmm, maybe because I disconnected the terminal?
[00:21] <shauno> also, personal gripe .. url: desc bugs me.  url - desc means I can still click the url
[00:22] <diddledan> your client sucks
[00:22] <diddledan> :-p
[00:22] <daftykins> :D
[00:27] <diddledan> hmm, maybe it was an issue with a second url meaning it'll do it when I post http://twitter.com
[00:27] <snarfit> http://twitter.com: Welcome to Twitter - Login or Sign up
[00:27] <diddledan> nope
[00:28] <diddledan> ok, it must have been because I killed the terminal
[00:30] <diddledan> I killed it myself that time
[00:30] <diddledan> not a bug!
[00:34] <diddledan> test: http://twitter.com
[00:34] <snarfit> http://twitter.com: Welcome to Twitter - Login or Sign up
[00:34] <diddledan> yey
[00:34] <diddledan> no crash
[00:34] <daftykins> \o/
[00:36] <diddledan> now, what happens when a bug number is posted I wonder?
[00:36] <diddledan> bug #1
[00:36] <snarfit> https://launchpad.net/bugs/1: Bug #1 (liberation) “Microsoft has a majority market share” : Bugs : Ubuntu
[00:37] <diddledan> maybe I should tell it to ignore lubotu3?
[00:39] <shauno> and possibly anything that lubotu3 should catch
[00:39] <shauno> eg, if I link to https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[00:39] <shauno> obv. it shouldn't catch the bot there, but I'm not sure it should catch me either
[00:50] <shauno> personally I'd probably just whitelist it to domains that are known to be 'blobby', like youtube.  but that's not what you asked ;)
[00:52] <diddledan> bug #1
[00:52] <snarfit> https://launchpad.net/bugs/1: Bug #1 (liberation) “Microsoft has a majority market share” : Bugs : Ubuntu
[00:52] <diddledan> grr
[00:52] <diddledan> it's supposed to ignore that
[00:57] <diddledan> bug #1 ?
[00:57] <snarfit> https://launchpad.net/bugs/1: Bug #1 (liberation) “Microsoft has a majority market share” : Bugs : Ubuntu
[00:57] <diddledan> dangit
[00:57] <diddledan> I give up
[00:58] <diddledan> it's not hitting either of my two ignore bits
[01:00] <diddledan> snarf!
[01:00] <diddledan> bug #1
[01:00] <snarfit> https://launchpad.net/bugs/1: Bug #1 (liberation) “Microsoft has a majority market share” : Bugs : Ubuntu
[01:01] <daftykins> ok i think this das keyboard's controller is gone
[01:01] <daftykins> this is driving me spare
[01:01] <diddledan> awww, nooooo
[01:01] <diddledan> no effin eff?
[01:02] <daftykins> yeah, sometimes it produces it late so i get "atfer" for after
[01:02] <diddledan> that's your tyoping
[01:05] <daftykins> newp :)
[01:07] <diddledan> bug #1
[01:07] <snarfit> https://launchpad.net/bugs/1: Bug #1 (liberation) “Microsoft has a majority market share” : Bugs : Ubuntu
[01:07] <diddledan> ooh, my logic is wrong
[01:08] <diddledan> my comparator is comparing lubotu3 == 0
[01:10] <diddledan> bug #1
[01:10] <diddledan> yey
[01:10] <diddledan> https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[01:11] <diddledan> ooh it didn't like that
[01:12] <diddledan> ok, this time
[01:12] <diddledan> https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[01:12] <diddledan> grr
[01:12] <diddledan> TypeError: Object https://launchpad.net/bugs/1 has no method 'match'
[01:13] <diddledan> if I cast to String() would that work?
[01:13] <diddledan> https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[01:13] <diddledan> better
[01:13] <diddledan> it ignored both of those
[01:14] <diddledan> \o/
[01:14] <diddledan> I think it's good-enough
[01:14] <diddledan> now let's copy it to the server again and run it headless
[05:45] <OERIAS> Conceal me what I am, and be my aid For such disguise as happily shall become The form of my intent
[05:46] <daftykins> mmk
[05:51] <OERIAS> Shakespeare
[05:51] <OERIAS> Twelfth Night
[05:52] <daftykins> doesn't make much sense to me
[05:54] <OERIAS> Shakespeare is still relevant in a world like ours that is filled with rats and cunning weasels.
[05:54] <daftykins> it's highly pretentious and overrated though
[05:54] <daftykins> having it forced down ones neck during education isn't the best of introductions either
[05:56] <OERIAS> Here my question, if anything, Shakespeare might have written the plays for the nobility, but in reality his plays and poems often pointed out the injustice of his time, a time much like ours.
[06:28] <zmoylan-pi> eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines :-)
[06:29] <Myrtti> OggCamp!
[07:21] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:29] <Myrtti> ooh. Finnish municipal libraries ♥ Not only do they have books, movies, audiobooks, magazines, music and newspapers, some of them have musical instruments, boardgames, 3D printers, blood pressure monitors and sewing machine and overlocker. Wow.
[07:48] <zmoylan-pi> so in case of zombie apocalypse you can rebuild civilisation :-)
[07:48] <Myrtti> yup
[07:51] <OERIAS> zmoylan-pi, in the event of such castastrophe a lot of current computing devices would be usesless
[07:51] <OERIAS> i.e Macbook Pro with retina display
[07:54]  * zmoylan-pi clutches my rasp pi
[08:16] <davmor2> Morning all, todays sound track starts "No one would of believed, in the last years of the 19th Century"
[08:17] <MooDoo> morning davmor2 da da da....
[08:22] <zmoylan-pi> the chances of anything...
[08:22]  * zmoylan-pi flips through mp3 collection
[08:23] <MooDoo> davmor2: No one could have dreamed we were being scrutinized, as someone with a microscope
[08:27] <zmoylan-pi> just a pity they've never made a movie of it
[08:27] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: they did there have been 2
[08:28] <zmoylan-pi> i SAID it's a real pity they never made a movie of it!! :-)
[08:28] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: the half decent original version and the Tom Cruise half soaked attempt
[08:29] <foobarry> weird. i have no bass in my headphones when plugged in the rear speaker port, but only thru the front headphone socket
[08:29] <MooDoo> davmor2: start a campaign for a new movie :D  davmor2's kickstarter :D
[08:30] <zmoylan-pi> the 50's cheesy version and the tom cruise nonsense
[08:30] <zmoylan-pi> they did good sci fi in the 50s's war of the worlds doesn't qualify
[08:30] <MooDoo> The invaders was quite good
[08:31] <zmoylan-pi> the tv series?
[08:31] <MooDoo> yes
[08:31] <zmoylan-pi> it was just a thinly disguised beware of communism thingy
[08:32] <MooDoo> still liked it :D
[08:32] <zmoylan-pi> mind we had the cia to thank for doctor zhivago AND the animated version of animal farm to thank as well :-)
[08:34] <davmor2> MooDoo: Tripod
[08:35] <MooDoo> davmor2: oooo yes forgot about that one
[08:35] <zmoylan-pi> pity the bbc only made books 1 + 2
[08:35] <zmoylan-pi> good adaptions as well
[08:36] <MooDoo> http://www.tv.com/shows/category/science-fiction/decade/1960s/
[08:36] <snarfit> http://www.tv.com/shows/category/science-fiction/decade/1960s/:
[08:36] <MooDoo> land of the giants
[08:36] <MooDoo> snarfit: lol snap
[08:36] <zmoylan-pi> and have enjoyed listening to their audio version of caves of steel and naked sun
[08:37] <diddledan> MooDoo: I see you met my bot :-p
[08:37] <diddledan> I made it for daftykins - it's supposed to grok the title
[08:38] <diddledan> .. of a url posted
[08:38] <zmoylan-pi> snarf, named after thundercats?
[08:40] <MooDoo> ah lol
[08:42] <MooDoo> by the power of greyskull.....better than thundercats
[08:46] <zmoylan-pi> battle of the planets
[08:46] <awilkins> I dunno, I fancied Cheetara more than Teela
[08:46] <MooDoo> ooo yeah
[08:47] <zmoylan-pi> oh god furries ::reaches for disinfectant:: :-p
[08:47] <MooDoo> ewwwwwwwww
[08:52] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Techie’s Day! :-D
[08:52] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:53] <JamesTait> Also, and I'm sure completely unrelated, happy Smile Day. :)
[08:54] <brobostigon> :)
[08:54] <davmor2> MooDoo: battle of the planets was better than both :P
[08:56] <davmor2> defender of the earth, Ulysses, dungeons and dragons
[08:56] <zmoylan-pi> also national potato day in ireland \o/
[08:56] <zmoylan-pi> recently watched ulysses 31 for first time in decades, still good
[08:57] <zmoylan-pi> the animation was no expense spared
[08:57] <MooDoo> davmor2: loved dnd shame it ended
[08:58] <MooDoo> oooo what about starfleet
[08:58] <zmoylan-pi> terrahawks
[08:58] <MooDoo> howdy JamesTait brobostigon
[08:59] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[08:59] <MooDoo> my personal fave "Chorlton and the wheelies"
[08:59] <zmoylan-pi> pretty much anything by anderson
[09:00] <davmor2> MooDoo: yeah with Brian May singing the theme song
[09:00] <MooDoo> heh
[09:00] <zmoylan-pi> rhubarb
[09:01] <davmor2> flumps
[09:01] <MooDoo> fraggle rock
[09:01] <davmor2> muppets
[09:01] <MooDoo> dark crystal :D
[09:01] <davmor2> labyrinth
[09:02] <MooDoo> whodoo you do
[09:02] <JamesTait> I do what? ;)
[09:02] <brobostigon> magic roundabout
[09:02] <zmoylan-pi> button moon
[09:02] <MooDoo> mr spoon
[09:02] <davmor2> jamie and his magic torch
[09:02] <JamesTait> That's me!
[09:02] <zmoylan-pi> bagpuss
[09:03] <davmor2> wurzel gummage
[09:03] <MooDoo> with aunt sally :D
[09:03] <JamesTait> I've got a Wurzel Gummage annual upstairs in my bookcase.
[09:03] <JamesTait> No idea where it came from!
[09:04] <davmor2> princess bride
[09:04] <foobarry> mysterious cities of gold?
[09:04] <davmor2> robin hood, robin hood, riding through the glen, robin hood, robin hood and his band of merry men
[09:04] <foobarry> i still watch bagpuss
[09:06] <awilkins> The Dark Crystal is still awesome
[09:06] <awilkins> The soundtrack especially
[09:06] <awilkins> The kids entertainment today lacks that little vein of "Grimm" terror in it that it really needs to produce mature and well adjusted people
[09:07] <awilkins> They need little doses of fear to learn not to become craven cowards in later life !
[09:07] <foobarry> or to instil primal nightmares in them to terrify them through to adulthood
[09:07] <foobarry> are you my mummy?
[09:07] <awilkins> Heheh
[09:07] <foobarry> i imagine there's still kids having nightmarse about that
[09:08] <MooDoo> I just let my 3 year old watch a nightmare on elm street
[09:08] <diddledan> oh god: http://www.doctorwho.tv/whats-new/article/doctor-who-comes-to-minecraft-on-xbox
[09:08] <foobarry> i read grimm at about age 7.
[09:08] <snarfit> null: Doctor Who comes to Minecraft on Xbox | Articles | Doctor Who
[09:09] <diddledan> snarfit: what happend to your url?
[09:09] <diddledan> it's buggy as heck
[09:09] <diddledan> only took 30 minutes to code
[09:10] <MooDoo> ah there begins the extra cost to minecraft
[09:11] <awilkins> Ah yes
[09:11] <awilkins> £1.99
[09:11] <MooDoo> sigh
[09:11] <zmoylan-pi> start small
[09:12] <Myrtti> Hudl 2 looks pretty good for the price
[09:13] <zmoylan-pi> hudl 1 never seemed to make it to ireland which was a pity as it looked pretty decent
[09:13] <brobostigon> my concern would be, tesco's idea, of android upgrades.
[09:13] <Myrtti> yeah.
[09:13] <awilkins> Offspring has a HUDL1
[09:14] <brobostigon> which as far as i saw, with the first model, was non-existant.
[09:14] <awilkins> Not a bad tablet, but yet, no upgrades
[09:14] <awilkins> Wonder if you can nuke + cyanogenmod it
[09:15] <brobostigon> when android l comes out, thats probably what i will have to do on my nexus7.
[09:15] <awilkins> No update love for the version 1 N7 ?
[09:15] <awilkins> Or you just want to avoid Android L?
[09:15] <brobostigon> i doubt it, there arent any test images as of yet.
[09:16] <awilkins> Scuttlebutt is that the Google employee test platform for Android L is Nexus 4
[09:17] <brobostigon> no idea.
[09:17] <Myrtti> awilkins: I have N7 2012 and it's now at the point that I just want to make it a crabpot weight
[09:18] <awilkins> Given the new execution platform should cut CPU and battery consumption I would have thought it would be a welcome refresh to the older devices
[09:18] <brobostigon> i have cm11 on mine, and it still, does the job very very well.
[09:18] <awilkins> BUT you have to temper that with the marketing guys going "Whoa, don't put a welcome refresh on those older devices, people won't buy the new ones!"
[09:19] <brobostigon> the beauty of cm.
[09:19] <Myrtti> I should go pack and shower
[09:19] <Myrtti> silly oggcamp
[09:20] <popey> \o/ Oggcamp
[09:29] <shauno> hm.  slightly awkward getting to work and discovering I forgot to screw the bottom of my laptop back on
[09:30] <diddledan> lol
[09:31] <awilkins> Oops
[09:31] <awilkins> Occasionally I get there and have to swap the work OS drive back into it
[09:31] <awilkins> But I carry a screwdriver at all times for this reason
[09:32] <shauno> yeah.  luckily we have enough nerds that screwdrivers / rubber mallets are rarely far away
[09:38] <zmoylan-pi> only 1 screwdriver?
[09:38] <awilkins> Only need one
[09:38] <awilkins> Only one kind of screw in the laptop
[09:39] <diddledan> you only need one hammer
[09:39] <diddledan> all screws work with the same hammer
[09:39] <awilkins> Speaking of Cyanogenmod, anyone seen one of these in the wild? http://oneplus.net/uk/one
[09:39] <snarfit> http://oneplus.net/uk/one: OnePlus One - OnePlus.net
[09:39] <MooDoo> awilkins: yeah my mate has got one, he loves it.
[09:40] <awilkins> Still need an invite to buy one though
[09:40] <awilkins> Gah
[09:40] <zmoylan-pi> a blackjack and wait outside googles office? :-p
[10:15] <davmor2> MooDoo: Trapdoor!
[10:16] <zmoylan-pi> an awesome game on 8 bit computers as well
[10:33] <diddledan> is it lunch time yet?
[10:34] <zmoylan-pi> depends where you are on the planet
[10:40] <davmor2> diddledan: it's always lunchtime some where
[10:42]  * zmoylan-pi hands diddledan some acme rocket powered roller skates and a helmet and points to east :-)
[10:44] <shauno> if it's not lunchtime yet, it just means you have more time to cook a bigger lunch :)
[11:05] <popey> i cooked all of the bacon in the house
[11:06] <popey> i am now done with bacon for today
[11:06] <brobostigon> :)
[11:09] <MooDoo> BACON!!!!
[11:12] <davmor2> popey: jono will be upset
[11:13] <MooDoo> davmor2: jono is too busy to care now he's schmoozing with the hollywood stars ;)
[11:23]  * zmoylan-pi breaks out emergency sausage roll
[11:24]  * brobostigon has his amergency giant cornish pasty.
[11:30] <MooDoo> Looks like our ubuntu forums .org forum has been archived for inactivity
[11:32] <zmoylan-pi> do people still use forums?
[11:33] <MooDoo> guess not lol
[11:52] <foobarry> i do
[11:53] <foobarry> not techie ones, although with techie ones often the info i need is on page 59 of a thread you have to read in entirety
[12:00] <foobarry> nice specs on hudl2 , has anyone used one?
[12:04] <MooDoo> foobarry: thinking about them for the kids at christmas
[12:06] <foobarry> i have a question: if i buy an app on google play store, is it available to download on all devices registered to my account?
[12:07] <MartijnVdS> yes
[12:07] <foobarry> \o/
[12:12] <DJones> foobarry: Most times, some apps aren't always compatible with every device though
[12:13] <foobarry> yep. as long as in theory my phone and tablet can use it, all good
[12:56] <diddledan> random: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xiyh-w2BsoI
[12:56] <snarfit> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xiyh-w2BsoI: Destroy Every Pie You Touch : Parody : Weebl and Bob - YouTube
[13:14] <directhex> diddledan, makes more sense in the context of the parodied music video
[13:15] <diddledan> good ol' ladytron black mambazo
[13:15] <diddledan> or is that a different group?
[13:15] <diddledan> :-p
[13:15] <shauno> the chaps off the Heinz advert?
[13:15] <diddledan> possibly?
[13:15] <MooDoo> ladysmith black mambazo
[13:16] <diddledan> is ladytron the lass that son-of-flynn frees from the grid?
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[13:16] <awilkins> Doesn't she free him?
[13:17] <awilkins> And that's Qorra
[13:17] <diddledan> she's purdy
[13:18] <shauno> down boy!
[13:18] <foobarry> mmm purdeys
[13:19] <diddledan> woof
[13:19] <awilkins> I can never quite reconcile how Olivia Wilde is now, with her performance as Thirteen in House
[13:19] <diddledan> o_O
[13:19] <foobarry> i'm not sure who any of these people are
[13:19] <MartijnVdS> google image search :)
[13:20] <foobarry> although i discovered today that kelso and jackie from 70s show are actually partners
[13:20] <foobarry> and how donna seems to be a more tomboy version of my wife
[13:20] <ging> can you still get flash to work on chrome on ubuntu 12.04?
[13:21] <awilkins> foobarry, Your wife is a version of Laura Prepon? Lucky dog....
[13:21] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100225130000/tardis/images/9/9c/Donna.jpg ?
[13:21] <foobarry> aargh not her
[13:21] <awilkins> ging, Pepper flash? http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-install-pepper-flash-for-chromium-web-browser-on-ubuntu-gnulinux.html
[13:21] <snarfit> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-install-pepper-flash-for-chromium-web-browser-on-ubuntu-gnulinux.html: How to install Pepper Flash for Chromium Web browser on Ubuntu GNU/Linux | Ubuntu Geek
[13:21] <foobarry> the one awilkins mentiond
[13:22] <awilkins> : http://kosmixmedia.com/static/9e5864c47325ae54513f5a2486b4701d.jpg
[13:22] <diddledan> well done
[13:22] <diddledan> you found a bug
[13:22] <foobarry> http://cdn.buzznet.com/assets/users16/callinamarie/default/laura-prepon--large-msg-136337352124.jpg
[13:22] <diddledan> achievement unlocked: post a jpg and watch the bot die
[13:23] <foobarry> looks more like my link than your one
[13:23] <foobarry> minus airbrushing etc
[13:23] <awilkins> Yeah, mine is more recent
[13:24] <awilkins> Her look has changed a lot, especially for Orange Is the New Black
[13:24] <ging> thanks awilkins
[13:29] <foobarry> i prefer the old look awilkins , less fake
[13:55] <shauno> slashdot has some interesting translation going on; http://i.imgur.com/Qk4iWPk.png
[13:56] <shauno> (and no, I'm not in france  heh)
[13:57] <diddledan> shauno's a frog!
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[13:57] <diddledan> does doing </whateveryoujustdidthat'soffensive> negate the offence?
[13:59] <diddledan> if not then I guess I need to apologise to all the frogs present?
[13:59] <shauno> reminds me, I found the oddest code today (C) ..
[13:59] <diddledan> ooh
[13:59] <diddledan> show us
[14:00] <shauno> it started with #include <math.h>, and then at the end of the file, it had </math.h>
[14:00] <diddledan> lol
[14:00] <diddledan> oops
[14:00] <shauno> now, C ain't my thing, but .. I'm not sure it works like that?
[14:00] <diddledan> oh that's made my day
[14:01] <shauno> http://www.geodatasource.com/developers/c
[14:01] <snarfit> http://www.geodatasource.com/developers/c: Calculate Distance by Latitude and Longitude using C/C++ | GeoDataSource World Cities Database
[14:02] <jpds> shauno: You need to spend more time on: http://www.thedailywtf.com/
[14:02] <snarfit> http://www.thedailywtf.com/:
[14:02] <diddledan> I wonder if that was done by the CMS?
[14:25] <arsenip> is there an official procedure for upping to kernel 3.2.x
[14:25] <diddledan> yeah, let apt handle it
[14:26] <diddledan> major kernel revisions should come along with a release-upgrade
[14:27] <arsenip> hm
[14:27] <arsenip> well, ive got a fresh 14.04, want to whack on a newer kernel - but nothing in repo
[14:27] <diddledan> well 3.2 is older than what trusty has by default iirc?
[14:28] <diddledan> yeah, my trusty install has 3.13
[14:30] <arsenip> hm
[14:30] <arsenip> what if i want to specifically use 3.2?:)
[14:30] <diddledan> it's probably too old
[14:31] <diddledan> I would imagine that trusty relies on newer kernels than 3.2
[14:32] <awilkins> 3.13 is newer than 3.2 ... why do you need 3.2?
[14:36] <arsenip> gotcha. looking for bugs across distros
[14:36] <arsenip> specific to that version :)
[14:54] <Azelphur> https://www.dropbox.com/s/odi8xd23lu7g5du/2014-10-03%2015.54.12.jpg?dl=0 colemak problems :<
[14:54] <snarfit> https://www.dropbox.com/s/odi8xd23lu7g5du/2014-10-03%2015.54.12.jpg?dl=0: Dropbox - 2014-10-03 15.54.12.jpg
[14:56] <diddledan> that makes my head hurt
[14:57] <Azelphur> haha
[14:57] <directhex> Azelphur, you have bigger problems
[14:57] <Azelphur> I wonder if there's something I can do to make them not be silver.
[14:57] <directhex> mad catz problems
[14:57] <Azelphur> directhex: are you talking about my broken strike 7? yea I know :P
[14:58] <davmor2> Azelphur: paint them black
[14:58] <Azelphur> right now my house is like gaming keyboard central, I have a G19, G19S, Strike 7, Corsair K50, PX-2000 >.<
[14:58] <Azelphur> oh and the G13
[14:58] <Azelphur> davmor2: yea, but that'd be difficult to do without also painting the letters
[14:59] <diddledan> www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6d8eKvegLI
[14:59] <davmor2> Azelphur: remove the keys then paint them black
[14:59] <Azelphur> diddledan: hehe
[14:59] <Azelphur> davmor2: that doesn't make it any easier to not paint over the (transparent, backlight) letters
[15:00] <ali1234> i don't understand how you are supposed to play borderlands 2 :(
[15:00] <Azelphur> ali1234: isn't it native now?
[15:01] <ali1234> most of the game is really easy, then you hit a boss
[15:01] <ali1234> the only way i can kill them is find a way to get the AI stuck in a place where they can't attack me, and then sniper rifle them in the head 40 times
[15:01] <davmor2> Azelphur: you asked how to not make them silver you should learn to be more specific :P
[15:01] <Azelphur> davmor2: haha
[15:01] <ali1234> their attacks are one hit kills
[15:02] <davmor2> Azelphur: in all seriousness, you could use a small crafting paintbrush and a steady hand
[15:02] <Azelphur> yea, I'd ruin it.
[15:02] <ali1234> they have like 10000 HP and I have like 100 HP, and my attacks do 40 HP damage and theirs do 250
[15:03] <directhex> dodge!
[15:03] <Azelphur> coin
[15:03]  * Azelphur runs
[15:03] <ali1234> how do you dodge an area affect attack that sets the entire map on fire?
[15:03] <Azelphur> ali1234: fly!
[15:03] <davmor2> Azelphur: actually you'll probably find they are black keys just painted silver have you tried scratch one gently?
[15:04] <Azelphur> davmor2: I haven't
[15:34] <Chrisfu> Anybody familiar with Ubuntu OpenStack, particularly the Orange Box? Trying to replicate an Orange Box-like environment to PoC OpenStack, and I've found myself stuck in a chicken-and-egg scenario.
[15:34] <Chrisfu> Any pointers would be most appreciated.
[15:39] <Chrisfu> Bit of background to anyone that sees this later and feels they could help: 10 machines, old Dell R210's we have lying around, matched specs as close to the NUC's in the Orange Box as much as possible.
[15:40] <Chrisfu> Ubuntu server on node0, MAAS installed. The other 9 nodes are enrolled and I can work with them, provision them, reset them. All fine.
[15:44] <Chrisfu> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/06/hands-on-with-canonicals-orange-box-and-a-peek-into-cloud-nirvana/ suggests that node0 has a virtual machine on it, that looks to have had Juju deployed onto it. Yet as far as I'm aware, Juju's bootstrapping process (when run on node0) is simply going to pick a random node and attempt to deploy the Juju workload to it.
[15:44] <snarfit> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/06/hands-on-with-canonicals-orange-box-and-a-peek-into-cloud-nirvana/: Hands-on with Canonical’s Orange Box and a peek into cloud nirvana | Ars Technica
[15:45] <shauno> Chrisfu: my best suggestion would be to try in #ubuntu-server - they live, breath, and in many cases, write the stuff you're asking about
[15:46] <Chrisfu> shauno: Thanks for the tip.
[16:04] <directhex> davmor2, Azelphur, the plastic is sorta see-through under the silver.
[16:04] <Azelphur> directhex: yea I know :)
[16:06] <awilkins> ali1234, In real life, an area affect that sets the map on fire will kill you if you fly because the uprising gases will have no oxygen in them
[16:07]  * awilkins wonders if enlightened DMs for D&D take this into account when hurling a fireball into a 10x10 room of fireproof creatures that nevertheless have to metabolise
[17:06] <diddledan> any kerbal addicts? this is awesome https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RQ-CShPYEk
[17:06] <snarfit> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RQ-CShPYEk: SKY + + BOX - A Kerbal Space Program Movie - YouTube
[17:10] <daftykins> thank you snarfit! :)
[17:11] <daftykins> almost 11 whole minutes!
[17:45] <davmor2> czajkowski: Hippo Birdy
[19:12] <diddledan> I think it's time I stopped working for today
[19:12] <daftykins> yip
[19:12] <daftykins> i'm debating a curry
[19:13] <diddledan> mm, tasty
[19:13] <foobarry> just watched a horrid film
[19:13] <daftykins> i'm feeling too lazy to bother to shave to look presentable, to go and get it though :(
[19:13] <foobarry> don't know why i carried on watching
[19:19] <shauno> you need to shave to get a curry?
[19:19] <daftykins> yeah i don't like going out in public looking homeless :)
[19:20] <foobarry> if you're going to curry or co-op,. its ok
[19:21] <foobarry> i was at work with 5 day growth this week
[19:21] <diddledan> 5 whole days? you lot are lightweights
[19:21] <diddledan> <-- hippy
[19:22] <foobarry> 5 days = scruffy
[19:22] <shauno> I rock homeless all the time :)  I apparently can't grow a beard.  I can grow 5 beards which aren't on speaking terms with each other.
[19:27] <daftykins> i can't grow anything though
[19:27] <daftykins> shauno: lol, like it
[19:28] <daftykins> trouble is i'm in the centre of town, i'm guaranteed to see someone i know too, given as it's Guernsey
[19:28] <daftykins> and there's one degree of separation
[19:28] <shauno> I wasn't sure.  I have you and directhex perpetually confused in my head.  As soon as the conversation's over, I'll instantly forget which of you is the islander :)
[19:29] <daftykins> d'aww
[19:29] <daftykins> it's easy, hexy is all sensible with wife and child
[19:29] <daftykins> i'm the care-free daft one
[19:30] <diddledan> lol
[19:31] <daftykins> hmm i'm gonna nip off to the curry house then, hopefully it's not chock full of lairy work-meal types
[19:35] <brobostigon> yummy
[19:44] <diddledan> is it a good thing or bad that transformers made the "blwoooorp" noise so prevalent?
[19:48] <shauno> I'm not sure what you're talking about.  and /exec say blwoooorp didn't help much
[19:50] <shauno> reminds me, completely off topic, but I have some accessibility stuff turned on for various reasons.  and I'm fairly sure my mac's pronounciation of english is getting worse
[19:51] <diddledan> it's because they're using siri
[19:51] <diddledan> siri is learning bad english off chavs
[19:51] <diddledan> that's then getting ploughed into the maps for speach synthesis
[19:54] <diddledan> it's inception that invented the noise, aparently (re: my transformers comment): http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/braaam-10-trailers-that-use-abuse-the-inception-braaam-20130412
[19:54] <snarfit> http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/braaam-10-trailers-that-use-abuse-the-inception-braaam-20130412: BRAAAM! 10 Trailers That Use & Abuse The 'Inception' BRAA | The Playlist
[19:55] <shauno> https://www.dropbox.com/s/ge7qin4fafi6kre/serena.mp3?dl=0
[19:55] <snarfit> https://www.dropbox.com/s/ge7qin4fafi6kre/serena.mp3?dl=0: Dropbox - serena.mp3
[19:56] <shauno> (and seriously, I think a whitelist is the way to go ;)
[19:57] <shauno> it's handy for youtube, vimeo, and ... almost nothing else.
[19:58] <shauno> but yeah, the voice synth.  whenever it has to pronounce the name of a process, it butchers it.  it can say "login window", but not "loginwindow"
[19:58] <foobarry> who runs snarfit?
[19:58] <diddledan> I'm not sure "runs" is valid
[19:58] <foobarry> for irssi users, it should tinyurl the link
[19:58] <diddledan> I fired it and forgot
[19:59] <foobarry> so when it repeats the link, it just shows the tinyurl version instead  and the descriptopn
[20:00] <foobarry> just a suggestion :D
[20:00] <diddledan> https://github.com/diddledan/snarfit <-- patch it and submit a pull-request :-p
[20:00] <snarfit> https://github.com/diddledan/snarfit: diddledan/snarfit · GitHub
[20:04] <foobarry> i'll do that if i remember/have time next week
[20:37] <daftykins> mmm curry
[20:50] <gebbione> if you have 14.04 installed can you tell me if you can resize your folders columns when viewing in list mode
[20:51] <zmoylan-pi> in thunar?
[20:52] <gebbione> isnt gnome the default?
[20:52] <daftykins> nautilus.
[20:52] <gebbione> well it is the default one
[20:52] <ali1234> what channel is this?
[20:52] <shauno> fun reading, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2221949   (short version, you can, but it's not intuitive *when* you can)
[20:52] <snarfit> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2221949: [SOLVED] Nautilus 14.04 Resize columns
[20:54] <gebbione> the concept of solved for some people is interesting
[20:54] <gebbione> " you can only resize a filed when it's next to a filed that has extra space"
[20:55] <shauno> heh, I'm not defending it, just bringing the convo to the point where you know as much as I do :)
[20:56] <gebbione> sometimes even the stupid things microsoft does (not that i used win8 for instance but everyone talks badly about it) sound nothing compared to the basic failures of some functionality in linux distros
[20:57] <ali1234> nobody makes you use gnome
[20:57] <daftykins> difference is, you can change it.
[20:57] <ali1234> in practice you can't
[20:57] <ali1234> unless you fork the entire desktop
[20:57] <ali1234> good luck maintaining that
[20:58] <daftykins> there are two changes possible
[20:58] <gebbione> see just talking about it opens a debate
[20:58] <daftykins> using Windows doesn't? :)
[20:58] <daftykins> gebbione: you can ask for a refund if you like
[20:58] <ali1234> the easiest solution is just to not use gnome
[20:58] <gebbione> ahahha time is not refoundable
[20:58] <ali1234> or at the very least stop using nautilus
[20:59] <gebbione> daftykins, so how do you browse your desktop
[21:00] <gebbione> files system in the GUI
[21:00] <daftykins> that's not relevant
[21:00] <gebbione> it is for me, i am looking for a solution that does not require any customisation other than a straight forward one, at least not requiring mainteinance
[21:01] <daftykins> so basically you want an alternative that doesn't involve changing anything?
[21:01] <daftykins> 1) use a different file manager 2) use a different DE
[21:02] <ali1234> install xubuntu
[21:02] <gebbione> is there any difference between nautilus and gnome?
[21:02] <ali1234> yes, one is a file manager, one is a desktop that includes nautilus
[21:03] <ali1234> nautilus is also the default in unity afaik
[21:03] <gebbione> so the alternative to nautilus would be?
[21:03] <zmoylan-pi> which is why even in ubuntu i use thunar :-)
[21:03] <ali1234> nemo, thunar, pcmanfm...
[21:03] <gebbione> and to see how they look i need to install them? i guess some videos are on youtube or such
[21:03] <ali1234> nemo is a fork of nautilus from before it jumped the shark
[21:04] <ali1234> it's probably the best one for you, if you just want a less annoying version of nautilus
[21:04] <gebbione> zmoylan-pi, why thunar
[21:08] <gebbione> http://artfulrobot.com/blog/whats-best-file-manager-ubuntu-gnome-1404-trusty
[21:08] <snarfit> http://artfulrobot.com/blog/whats-best-file-manager-ubuntu-gnome-1404-trusty: What's the best file manager for Ubuntu Gnome 14.04 Trusty? | artfulrobot.com
[21:09] <daftykins> diddledan: hmm, i'd just have the title and not a URL repeat personally
[21:17] <zmoylan-pi> it's small light and didn't annoy me gebbione
[21:24] <gebbione> is it easy to downgrade to 12?
[21:25] <daftykins> downgrades aren't supported
[21:39] <gebbione> nemo is on
[21:40] <daftykins> i'm gonna guess you don't mean Finding Nemo on TV
[22:26] <diddledan> nemo?
[22:27] <daftykins> file manager
[22:27] <diddledan> aah
[22:39] <diddledan> I figured the animated film, too
[22:39] <daftykins> :D
[22:58] <gebbione> daftykins, i feel so much better now, it is unbelievable how much rubbish nautilus is in this state, from my point of view of course
[22:59] <daftykins> i think you're being a bit too dramatic about it
[22:59] <daftykins> and i don't even run desktop Linux, so...
[22:59] <gebbione> not at all, if you are running 14.04 suddenly stuff is really strange
[22:59] <gebbione> at the moment nemo fixes some of the problems
[22:59] <gebbione> still
[23:01] <gebbione> gnome windows in general are strange, for instance chrome you maximise/minimise from the left top when maximised or from the top right when not maximised
[23:01] <gebbione> though you might think this is not major
[23:01] <daftykins> simple case of running a non-native browser
[23:01] <ali1234> in preferences check "use native window controls" or w/e
[23:02] <gebbione> from UA it is really annoying
[23:02] <daftykins> so configure it properly
[23:02] <ali1234> "Use system title bar and borders"
[23:02] <daftykins> gebbione: none of these rants of yours are going to change anything by taking place in here, take them to where they belong
[23:02] <ali1234> alternatives, don't use chrome
[23:02] <ali1234> yes, go tell #gnome on irc.gnome.org
[23:03] <gebbione> ali1234,  i was using chromium but that is not supported anymore
[23:03] <gebbione> firefox is too junky imho
[23:03] <ali1234> i don't think chrome has an irc channel. not one with developers in anyway
[23:03] <gebbione> daftykins, for all these observations of mine there are open bugs/reports
[23:04] <gebbione> they still mark them solved  despite complaints from users
[23:04] <daftykins> are you the minority?
[23:04] <ali1234> yeah that's the point where i stopped using the software and started telling everyone not to use it
[23:05] <daftykins> ali1234: what did that happen with?
[23:07] <ali1234> unity
[23:08] <ali1234> bug 729979
[23:09] <gebbione> daftykins, who is the majority of people that wants unresizable columns in windows listings?
[23:09] <daftykins> why are you asking me?
[23:10] <gebbione> because you are asking me if I am the minority
[23:10] <ali1234> people who report bugs are always the majority, because most people don't know how to
[23:10] <ali1234> i mean minority
[23:10] <daftykins> talking to me about this isn't going to get you anywhere
[23:10] <shauno> I've felt for a long time (and I may be wrong), that ubuntu's target demographic are people who don't, and probably won't use ubuntu
[23:11] <gebbione> daftykins, from that point of view your replies will not really do much with you either but at least now from talking in this channel i have trashed nautilus from something uglier that does the job
[23:12] <daftykins> gebbione: can you run that one by me in English?
[23:13] <gebbione> no i am sure you ll get there somehow, walking, running or anywayyou prefer
[23:13] <daftykins> ...
[23:13] <daftykins> i'm saying your statement didn't make sense
[23:14] <daftykins> "your replies will not really do much with you either" 0o
[23:14] <daftykins> nevermind, i'm gonna go do fun things like my physio
[23:15] <gebbione> thats exactly what i mean, while my comments here will not do much neither will you telling me that i should go to complaint somewhere else ... while really i was just asking your opinion from a UA point of view
[23:16] <gebbione> but physio is fine
[23:16] <gebbione> i ll go too
[23:16] <gebbione> but i am sure i ll be back with more
[23:16] <gebbione> bear with us daftykins
[23:16] <gebbione> bye for now and thanks for the suggestions
[23:16] <daftykins> i do not like that user.
[23:24] <ali1234> what game invented the white -> green -> blue -> red -> purple -> orange level system?
[23:24] <ali1234> i suspect it might have been diablo?
[23:26] <ali1234> http://www.giantbomb.com/color-coded-loot/3015-4702/
[23:26] <snarfit> http://www.giantbomb.com/color-coded-loot/3015-4702/: Color-Coded Loot (Concept) - Giant Bomb
[23:34] <shauno> their explanation of high levels having better stats than a lower-levelled better-coloured is .. clumsy
[23:37] <shauno> they're usually just multipliers.  an item has a stat budget, which is a product of it's level, and then multiplied by it's tier/rarity/colour/whatever you want to call it