[04:11] <Roguehorse> Is that part of some game?
[04:12] <pleia2> he's just a space cadet
[05:10] <nhaines> Roguehorse: Kerbal Space Program.  Which I'm sure your son would love.  You could play together and learn rocket science.  And also explosions.
[05:15] <Roguehorse> in the repos?
[05:16] <pleia2> what's the polite way to ask my overworked, about-to-leave-on-trip husband to set up the PS4 before he leaves for 2 weeks? (aisde from the obvious "I'll do it!" during which I'll mess up his perfect wiring configuration and give him an OCD attack)
[05:17]  * pleia2 supposes there is no good way
[05:17] <grantbow> tough call
[05:17] <Roguehorse> Uh, uh, uh
[05:17] <pleia2> haha
[05:18]  * ianorlin doesn't know that
[05:18] <nhaines> Roguehorse: in that it's in Steam.
[05:19] <Roguehorse> "Honey, can you please....<something really nice> before you go?" (usually works on me)
[05:19] <Roguehorse> nhaines: Ah! eeew...I have to run steam...
[05:19] <nhaines> pleia2: tell him not to worry about setting up the PS4 because you'll do it after you drop him off at the airport.  It'll be done by the morning.
[05:19] <pleia2> maybe I'll just put the PS4 box in his chair
[05:20] <pleia2> nhaines: hah, right, that's the obvious one :)
[05:20] <nhaines> Roguehorse: well, no, you can buy it directly from Squad and download updates by hand for the rest of your life.
[05:20] <Roguehorse> that might work
[05:20] <Roguehorse> nhaines: f-that!
[05:21] <pleia2> he actually bought the PS4 for himself, but then I geeked out over Destiny and am all I WANT TO PLAAAAY
[05:21] <Roguehorse> I have Steam installed - and an account set up
[05:21] <Roguehorse> I just don't
[05:21] <Roguehorse> and he likes playing games on the tablet anyway - or YouTube on the tv
[05:22] <pleia2> tsk, my battery is running out, probably have go to back down into the hot condo
[05:22] <Roguehorse> I'll take a look though - thank you for the suggestion =)
[05:22] <nhaines> Well, it's a fun game by a really small developer and a really friendly community.  And now if you ask my friend's 8yo what the highest point of an orbit is he'll say "apoapsis".  :)
[05:23] <Roguehorse> LOL!
[05:23] <pleia2> also need to find food at a cold place this late
[05:23] <pleia2> IHOP has air conditioning, right?
[05:23] <Roguehorse> http://www.roguehorse.com/ComputerCenterHayward/IMG_20141002_140709_803.jpg
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[05:23] <nhaines> You build your own rockets and launch them and control the staging, so it's half rocket sim and half explosion sim.  It doesn't take itself seriously.
[05:24] <Roguehorse> my son would dig that
[05:24] <nhaines> Plus you can land on the moon which is super amazing.  I have a couple space stations built
[05:24] <Roguehorse> he gets this weird excitement from watching people get hurt in games or tv
[05:25] <nhaines> Living vicariously.
[05:26] <Roguehorse> dude, he watched a skateboarding game on YouTube and the player kept falling and breaking his neck - he thought it was hilarious
[05:26] <Roguehorse> it tweaks my mellon
[05:27] <Roguehorse> I asked the wife if she thought he might need therapy
[05:27] <Roguehorse> she said it's normal for kids to laugh at that stuff
[05:27] <nhaines> Nope.  Everyone laughs when somebody else gets hurt.  Little kids just don't have the filter to pretend it's not funny.
[05:28] <nhaines> Besides, a lot of time the physics are either overdone for effect or otherwise strange.  I used to like to smash cars in racing games to see the damage effects and funny physics.  Never had an urge to do it in real life.  :)
[05:30] <Roguehorse> I must be missing some kind of gene or something
[05:31] <nhaines> Half the fun in a videogame is to do stuff you wouldn't or can't do in real life anyway.
[05:31] <ianorlin> yes that is true
[05:36] <nhaines> Although Euro Truck Simulator is oddly cathartic.
[05:39] <Roguehorse> my sone likes Farming Sim 2013
[05:39] <Roguehorse> I kind of dig the newest Sim City
[05:40] <Roguehorse> this is all from YouTube
[05:40] <nhaines> My friend's kid likes the Lego videogames.  Which are pretty fun.
[05:40] <Roguehorse> actually, I've been learning Python from CodeAcademy - it's ok, kinda fun
[05:41] <nhaines> I'm going to go pick up Super Smash Bros tomorrow.
[05:41] <nhaines> Python's nice.  :)
[05:41] <Roguehorse> slower than just doing from book
[05:41] <Roguehorse> Python is even simpler than Perl
[05:41] <Roguehorse> I see a lot of similarity
[05:43] <nhaines> I like Beginning Python by Magnus Lie Hetland.  http://www.apress.com/9781590599822
[05:43] <darthrobot> Title: [Beginning Python]
[05:43] <nhaines> darthrobot: I said that.
[05:43] <darthrobot> nhaines: Error: "I" is not a valid command.
[05:43] <nhaines> darthrobot: that's because it's a pronoun.
[05:43] <darthrobot> nhaines: Error: "that's" is not a valid command.
[05:43] <nhaines> Bots.  :P
[05:44] <Roguehorse> can't teach em anything
[05:45] <OERIAS> Conceal me what I am, and be my aid For such disguise as happily shall become The form of my intent
[05:46] <Roguehorse> OERIAS: Hamlet?
[05:46] <OERIAS> Twelfth Night
[05:46] <OERIAS> Same author though :)
[05:46] <nhaines> Roguehorse: Twelfth Night.
[05:46] <Roguehorse> lucky guess
[05:52] <Roguehorse> it is better to solve the right problem the wrong way than the wrong problem the right way
[05:53] <OERIAS> I dare do all that may become a man; Who dares do more is none.
[05:53] <OERIAS> ^ Macbeth
[05:54] <Roguehorse>  Doug McIlroy	
[05:56] <nhaines> I bought a DVD of Teller's production of MacBeth that I need to watch.
[05:57] <Roguehorse> http://www.roguehorse.com/ComputerCenterHayward/IMG_20141002_140649_545.jpg
[05:57] <OERIAS> Roguehorse, you certainly have a fascination with American Intellectuals
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[05:58] <OERIAS> by far one the most important men in history of computing
[06:00] <Roguehorse> I do, what's interesting is these guys never knew how much their work would change everything - they just built what seemed the logical way to do things
[06:01] <nhaines> Modern computing is built on a foundation that had nothing to do with modern uses.  :)
[06:03] <Roguehorse> Ironic isn't it =)
[06:03] <Roguehorse> gotta roll - wife and son want me to come to bed - TTYL
[06:03] <nhaines> Later!
[06:04] <nhaines> The crazy thing is that Microsoft was going to replace MS-DOS with Xenix.
[06:05] <nhaines> Which is why they added pipes and redirection to the OS in 2.0.  But when the Bell companies split up and AT&T was able to sell Unix directly, Microsoft decided they couldn't compete and started working on OS/2 with IBM instead.
[06:10] <nhaines> And that's why everybody runs OS/2 now.
[06:15] <Roguehorse> My dog sleeps in chairs - http://www.roguehorse.com/Bubba/IMG_20140921_150945_064.jpg
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[06:31] <OERIAS> They should have replaced MS-DOS with Xenix
[06:31] <OERIAS> would have created a whole new flavour of Unix
[06:32] <OERIAS> Interface Manager
[06:32] <OERIAS> nhaines, Chase and Bank of America still use OS/2 on their ABMs
[14:01] <kdub_> hey philipballew
[14:19] <philipballew> kdub_, hello. How goes life?
[14:25] <kdub_> pretty good
[14:30] <philipballew> kdub_, oh nice. Still in pb?
[14:30] <kdub_> no, moved to  michigan
[14:31] <philipballew> kdub_, Thats what I thought.
[14:31] <philipballew> Being that I have not heard from you in a while.
[14:32] <philipballew> Life is good up there I hope?
[14:32] <kdub_> yeah, defected from CA :P
[14:32] <philipballew> Michigan is a cool place.
[14:32] <kdub_> yeah, found a house
[14:32] <kdub_> about to be a cold place in a month or two;)
[14:36] <philipballew> yeah, that seems pretty nice because SD is in the 70's too often.
[14:42] <kdub_> hah, yeah