[07:33] <lordievader> Good morning.
[11:20] <Antisound> hi guys. Has anyone of you tried the plasma5 daily live image from 10/03/14?
[11:24] <soee> nope :)
[11:25] <soee> im using it on my work machine -.-
[11:29] <Antisound> soee: you're using 5.0.95 on your work machine?
[11:37] <soee> Antisound: sure
[11:37] <Antisound> soee: how did you get it run?
[11:37] <Antisound> if i boot it up kwin crashes everytime
[11:38] <Antisound> indifferent if i upgrade from 5.0.2 or try it via live disk
[11:42] <sgclark> I have a problem with my desktop that has an nvidia card, laptop upgrade is fine aside from a missing usb devices icon
[11:43] <Antisound> sgclark: so you installed it via ppa or live disk?
[11:43] <sgclark> both of mine were upgrades via ppa
[11:43] <Antisound> damn,... i can't understand why it doesn't work for me
[11:43] <soee> Antisound: im on Plamsa 5 since 5.0.0, and just doing upgrades
[11:44] <soee> im using in on my laption with nvidia + optimus
[11:44] <Antisound> if got an amd a4 cpu it's an integrated gpu unit
[11:44] <Antisound> i can't think thats a problem
[11:44] <sgclark> soee: you using nvidia-331 driver?
[11:44] <soee> sgclark: the recommended one, 
[11:45] <soee> 331.89
[11:45] <Antisound> sgclark: can you tell me what i'm doing wrong?
[11:45] <sgclark> interesting. 
[11:45] <sgclark> Antisound: I have no idea what you did. Sorry : / 
[11:46] <Antisound> just updated via ppa ;-)
[11:46] <soee> Antisound: you did fresh install ?
[11:46] <Antisound> soee: more than once ;-)
[11:46] <sgclark> did you have any held back packages?
[11:46] <Antisound> sgclark: if i upgrade via full-upgrade no
[11:46] <soee> how ? i suggest install 14.10 beta, than add next-ppa
[11:47] <Antisound> soee: maybe i should try this again
[11:47] <Antisound> i upgraded from the live image 01/10/14 i think
[11:47] <sgclark> soee: can you tell me if you have lightdm installed
[11:47] <Antisound> soee: but you mean the 14.10 plasma5 beta
[11:48] <Antisound> soee: or the "usual" 14.10 
[11:48] <soee> sgclark: this is default
[11:48] <soee> Antisound: i did normal 14.10 install
[11:49] <soee> than added plasma-next ppa and did full upgrade
[11:49] <Antisound> soee: but the normal 14.10 is with kde 4 or?
[11:49] <soee> sgclark: i tried several times sddm but it alwasy fails
[11:49] <soee> Antisound: yes
[11:49] <Antisound> soee: so i try this
[11:49] <sgclark> soee: ok that is my problem. thanks
[11:51] <Antisound> soee: can you tell me where the difference between apt-get dist-upgrade and apt full-upgrade is?
[11:52] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:52] <Antisound> BluesKaj: hi!
[11:53] <BluesKaj> hey Antisound
[11:53] <sgclark> hiyas
[11:55] <BluesKaj> well, the plasma 5 seems not too bad so far , no quicklaunch for the panel is disappointing tho 
[11:56] <soee> BluesKaj: quicklaunch ?
[11:56] <soee> Antisound: not sure :)
[11:56] <Antisound> BluesKaj: you're using Plasma 5.1 Beta?
[11:56] <Antisound> okay soee ;-)
[11:57] <BluesKaj> soee, there's a quicklaunch widget that one cab use for fav apps rather than the kmenu launcher
[11:58] <BluesKaj> cab=can
[11:59] <sgclark> BluesKaj: I am working on kdeplasma-addons, not sure if it is ported yet, but should be soon
[11:59] <BluesKaj> but the favorites in the kmenu will suffice for now
[12:00] <Antisound> BluesKaj: won't you reply me ;)
[12:00] <BluesKaj> sgclark, good to hear, thanks
[12:00] <soee> BluesKaj: you can alwayts pin your fav apps in task manager or icon task
[12:01] <BluesKaj> the quicklaunch uses small icons
[12:03] <BluesKaj> Antisound,using  whatever plasma version is in the kubuntu next ppa
[12:03] <Antisound> BluesKaj: so you updated via ppa too?
[12:03] <BluesKaj> yrs
[12:03] <BluesKaj> yes rather
[12:04] <Antisound> BluesKaj: from which version you updated?
[12:04] <BluesKaj> suddenly very dark in herer , rainclouds passing over 
[12:05] <Antisound> did you use a daily live image before?
[12:06] <Antisound> soee: i'm going to try the method you recommend me ;-)
[12:06] <Antisound> ttyl guys
[12:40] <Antisound> re
[12:40] <Antisound> can you tell me guys, when i'm going to update now, why the package plasma-desktop is held back?
[12:45] <soee> install kubuntu-plasma5-desktop
[12:46] <Antisound> okay
[12:47] <Antisound> soee: i do the dist-upgrade now, and afterwards i install kubuntu-plasma5-desktop
[12:47] <soee> i think it should install it for you
[12:47] <soee> but if not, install it
[12:47] <soee> its a meta package i think that should install all required packages
[12:47] <Antisound> okay
[12:48] <Antisound> we'll c what happens after full-upgrade
[12:48] <Antisound> i'll update you ;-)
[12:52] <soee> i remember that few monthe ago i had to force overwrite some pacjages that caused problems during ugrade
[12:52] <soee> hope they all work fine now
[12:53] <soee> brb in a few minute
[14:13] <Antisound> so... one last try
[14:13] <Antisound> soee: nothing worked... there were extreme dependency errors ;-)
[14:14] <Antisound> i try with the plasma 5 beta 2 and update it via ppa
[14:14] <soee> what errors exacly ?
[14:15] <soee> Antisound: also are you creating new home/user or keeping old one and tinatlling system 
[14:16] <Antisound> a specific library
[14:16] <Antisound> don't know the name anymore
[14:16] <Antisound> libkf5 something,... afaik
[14:16] <Antisound> keeping old why?
[14:21] <soee> as i said i remember i had to do force overwrite when installing it some time ago
[14:21] <soee> Antisound: i used: sudo apt-get -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-overwrite" install PACKAGE_NAME_HERE
[14:24] <Antisound> soee: it wasn't possible for me to install it despite force 
[14:24] <Antisound> soee: whatever,... this is my last try... for now
[14:25] <BluesKaj> Antisound, are you getting an error with this package, libkf5sysguard5-data_4%3a5.0.95-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa4_amd64.deb ?
[14:26] <BluesKaj> Antisound, id so run,  sudo dpkg -i -–force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/libkf5sysguard5-data_4%3a5.0.95-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa4_amd64.deb
[14:27] <BluesKaj> if so
[14:27] <Antisound> BluesKaj: you might be right could have been that package
[14:28] <Antisound> BluesKaj: but doesn't matter anymore ... installed the beta 2 for 14.10 plasma 5 
[14:28] <Antisound> BluesKaj: i try to update this version now
[14:28] <Antisound> we'll c if it will boot up 
[14:31] <Antisound> the update runs fluently till now
[14:33] <soee> had a problem with it to
[14:34] <soee> just did force overwrite
[14:37] <BluesKaj> now dist-upgrade
[14:40] <Antisound> BluesKaj: now i've got another problem
[14:40] <Antisound>  /var/cache/apt/archives/qml-module-org-kde-extensionplugin_5.2.0-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb
[14:40] <Antisound> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[14:42] <BluesKaj> Antisound, this ppa? https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/next
[14:42] <Antisound> yep
[14:42] <Antisound> 4 sure ;-)
[14:47] <Antisound> damn is that an error which could kill my system?
[14:49] <Antisound> okay i tried it once more with apt-get -f dist-upgrade
[14:49] <Antisound> seems to be good
[14:51] <soee> -f ?
[14:51] <Antisound> force
[14:52] <Antisound> soee: don't know why, but i think now it's working ;-)
[14:52] <soee> hope so :)
[14:54] <Antisound> hell yeah... updated ended with no errors
[14:54] <Antisound> got to reboot
[14:54] <Antisound> hope to ttyl ;-)
[14:58] <soee> and how snow ?
[14:58] <Antisound> here i am, back again with 5.0.95
[14:58] <Antisound> :D
[14:59]  * Antisound is satisfied ;-)
[14:59] <soee> :D
[14:59] <Antisound> pretty interesting,... till kf5 i never have used kde 
[15:00] <Antisound> but since the new kicker i like it 
[15:00] <Antisound> hmm looks pretty nice everything
[15:00] <soee> true
[15:01] <Antisound> i think the last times it didn't boot up the problem was because the dist-upgrade didn't worked correctly
[15:02] <Antisound> the only thing, correct me if i'm wrong,... the firefox has no native kde look or?
[15:07] <soee> define native
[15:07] <soee> gtk apps shoudl use similiar style that qt do
[15:13] <Antisound> soee: right
[15:13] <Antisound> plasma is qt or?
[15:13] <Antisound> and firefox is gtk or?
[15:13] <Antisound> isn't it possible to let firefox look like a kde app?
[15:20] <soee> and how it looks now ?
[15:25] <Antisound> it looks like a foreign object ;-)
[15:26] <soee> Go system Settings - > Application look
[15:26] <soee> the GTK section and be sure GTK2 have qtcurve set
[15:26] <BluesKaj> hmm, very few widgets actually work 
[15:27] <Antisound> soee: there was orion choosen
[15:27] <soee> naah
[15:27] <soee> use qtcurve :D
[15:27] <Antisound> ok
[15:27] <Antisound> ;-)
[15:27] <Antisound> WAAAAAAAAAAAY better soee ;-)
[15:27] <Antisound> thx :)
[15:28] <Antisound> oh my gosh,. .it was so ugly before 
[15:28] <Antisound> soee: tell me why is the default setting this ugly thing :D
[15:28] <soee> no idea :)
[15:29] <soee> thisi smy gtk settings: http://wstaw.org/m/2014/10/04/qtcurve_gtk.png
[15:29] <Antisound> ok
[15:30] <soee> Riddell: the qtcurve isn't set by default for gtk2 apps ?
[15:30] <Antisound> soee: whats your native language?
[15:30] <Antisound> hungarian?
[15:30] <soee> Antisound: Polish
[15:30] <Antisound> ok
[15:30] <Antisound> looks simliar ;-)
[15:30] <soee> a bit :)
[15:31] <Antisound> so we're "nearly" neighbours ;-)
[15:31]  * Antisound is german
[15:31] <soee> :)
[15:31] <Antisound> soee: you made my day with these settings change
[15:32] <soee> im glad Plasma5 works for you :)
[15:33] <Antisound> soee: yeah thx,... everything is fine now, for me too :)
[15:33] <Antisound> would have been sad if beta 1 wouldn't have worked for me
[15:35] <Antisound> now i can everything suit to my needs
[15:37] <Antisound> soee: maybe you can help me with one last information... or anybody else... why doesn't muon discover show packages like wine e.g.
[15:38] <soee> oh no idea, im not using muon discover
[15:38] <Antisound> generally many packages which are installable via apt aren't installable via muon
[15:38] <Antisound> BluesKaj: do you know maybe?
[15:39] <Antisound> that makes no sence for me,... WHO uses muon... i've often heard for now,.. i'm not using muon
[15:39] <Antisound> strange :D 
[15:40] <soee> well im using muon, not muon discover
[15:40] <Antisound> muon = muon discover? !?
[15:40] <Antisound> i thought...
[15:40] <soee> nope
[15:41] <Antisound> soee: what's muon ?
[15:41] <soee> gnome hae synaptic, kde have muon
[15:41] <Antisound> ok
[15:41] <soee> unity has this Application Center or how do they call it
[15:42] <soee> Kubuntu kave Muon Discover
[15:42] <Antisound> ahhhhh
[15:42] <Antisound> soee: that makes sence ;-)
[15:42] <Antisound> so i've got to ask Riddell... 
[15:44] <soee> I think that shadeslayer or apachelogger is responsible for muon discover, but im not 100% sure
[15:45] <Antisound> maybe one of these guys will responde if they read ;-)
[15:46] <Antisound> You can install the "Muon Package Manager" to have that "all packages" experience. By design, Muon Discover is a end-user (i.e., not an expert user) level application, like an "app store" thing. If what you want is a more direct GUI front-end to apt-get / aptitude-search, then what you want is the Muon Package Manager. Install with:
[15:46] <Antisound> thats what i found in an bug reporting ;-)
[15:49] <soee> :]
[15:53] <Antisound> damn
[15:53] <Antisound> plasmshell crashed
[18:30] <Antisound> omg, quassel is such a shitty software
[18:31] <Antisound> not even dcc is provided...
[18:31] <BluesKaj> I'm sure it does Antisound , you just have to look for it
[18:31] <Antisound> where?
[18:32] <BluesKaj> dunno i don't use it :)
[18:32] <Antisound> hehe
[18:32] <Antisound> lmao
[18:33] <Antisound> http://bugs.quassel-irc.org/issues/22
[18:33] <BluesKaj> used once or twice for a few mins, but I didn't like the layout 
[18:33] <Antisound> what you say now BluesKaj ;-)
[18:33] <Antisound> BluesKaj: recommend a better irc client
[18:34] <BluesKaj> konversation
[18:34] <BluesKaj> Antisound, wow , wasn't aware, that's surprising , no dcc
[18:34] <Antisound> hehe
[18:35] <Antisound> unbelivable since 7 years planed ;-)
[18:35] <Antisound> unbelivable since 7 years planed ;-)
[18:35] <Antisound> sry lag
[18:35] <BluesKaj> been using konversation so long I can't remember when I started using it
[18:35] <Antisound> ok
[18:36] <Antisound> i'M trying it 
[18:38] <Antisound_> re with konversation
[18:51] <soee> +1 for konversation
[18:52] <Peace-> konversation +1 http://wstaw.org/m/2014/10/04/plasma-desktopMd2491.png
[19:51] <kubuntu_user_296> Hi. How do I file a bug against the Kubuntu Installer?