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BlueNinjaquick q: what's a good package of screensavers to snag?02:57
BlueNinjai've got none so far (for kde's locker)02:57
man-woofI wish there was a smaller kubuntu metapackage, kde-runtime + kde-workspace + kde-window-manager03:02
valorieman-woof: why?03:03
valorieif you want less, get less?03:03
man-woofbecause there's a lot of stuff not neded for a kde desktop03:03
valorieyou can install via the mini-iso and just add what you like03:03
valoriemost people don't want that, so that's not our recommended way of installing03:04
man-woofI used the ubuntu server iso lol03:04
BlueNinjano suggestions?03:07
man-woofAnyone else have plasma5 flat refust to do anything? I launch it and if i click anythign it pops and and disappears instantly03:08
valoriethe ubuntu server iso will have the LAMP stack on it03:09
valorierather heavy if you don't need that stuff, I would think03:09
man-woofactually it lets you pick wahtever you want03:09
man-woofit's the only ubuntu iso which gives you the freedom to install what you want....03:10
valorieplasma 5 is somewhat buggy, but some of our devels are using it full time03:10
valoriethe point of kubuntu is to provide the best KDE experience for our users03:10
valoriedoing a minimal install doesn't do that03:10
man-woofOther than the splitting to made KDE less of a monster, I don't see anything special about plasma5, so far it has fewer features and i fear not all will come back03:11
man-woofIt's a nice design but plasma5 with one of the nicer themes already in the repos looks as good if not better03:11
man-woofthey really should use the dark theme by default, it looks better03:12
valorieI don't like dark themes and never use them03:12
man-woofbright themes burn my eyes, 300+nit screens03:12
valoriethat's why there is a choice03:13
valorieas in everything with KDE03:13
man-woofhopefully 5 ends up with more instead of less03:13
man-woofalthough if it was the same i'd be happy, it needs stuff under the hood fixed more03:14
man-woofdistro maintainers make it look how they want by default03:14
valoriewe patch very minimally03:15
valorieand never change the appearance03:15
man-woofKrita-bright + oxygen-no-side-borders + slim glow = looks nice, only downside is the stock launcher looks bad03:17
man-woofplasma5's launcher skins FAR better03:17
man-woofit's really slow though, when it wants to work...03:18
valorieI understand that kicker rather than kickoff works well03:22
valorieso far, I've not been able to replace it though03:23
valorietest laptop has a broken hinge and is overheating03:23
valoriethis laptop has the neon5 session, but that means logging out of here03:23
man-woofwhy is lightdm used instead of kdm03:23
valoriesddm is the future03:23
valoriebut still buggy03:24
valorielightdm is what Ubuntu has chosen03:24
man-woofoh boy, another dm03:24
valorieKDM is ancient03:24
man-woofkdm works...03:24
valorielots still use it though03:24
man-woofalthoug not for much longer i fear03:24
valorieSDDM is what KDE has chosen03:24
man-woofah so it's meant to kill kdm03:24
valoriewell, when devels no longer develop, things do die03:25
valorienobody has to kill them03:25
man-woofheh, let's not pick up something, let's make another...03:25
valoriea few people are paid to hack on kde software, but for the most part, it is all volunteer labor03:25
valorieand always has been03:26
valorieman-woof: would you rather fix old code, or start over/fork?03:26
valorieit's always a balance03:26
man-woofvalorie: depends on if the old is ugly03:26
man-woofLXDE is going LXQt, I wonder if they'll make their own DM or use SDDM, depends on how big it ends up being.03:27
BuntuTechwill there still be lxde?03:28
valorieI believe so03:28
BuntuTechso now to lx's?03:28
valorieI don't think they are changing the name03:28
man-woofFor a while, ya, but eventually LXQt will be superior and LXDE no longer can be kepy on life support03:28
man-woofWell, a lot of people call it LXQt03:29
BuntuTechso i wonder how that will effect the lubuntu tean03:29
man-woofNo negative effect, everyone seems happy with the roadmap.03:29
valorieubuntu is now using Qt as well03:29
BuntuTechwhat is qt03:29
valorieGtk is not really being kept alive03:29
valorieQt is the toolkit for C++03:30
man-woofGNOME went full crazy03:30
valoriethey are nice folks, with a different philosophy than ours03:30
man-woof"3.14 will win back users" lol03:30
valoriewe work with them when possible03:30
man-woofDifferent as in... ignore complaints and remove features03:31
man-woofThey maanged to make a lot fo gnome stock apps have fatter UIs despite having fewer fetures03:31
man-woofbecause muh touchscreens03:31
man-woofaaaa i don't like this keyboard03:32
BuntuTechi tried kubuntu again recently in my VM giving it 2 gb ram and my CPU is an intel i7 (monster) granted in the VM it was only using one core but it was laggin-sometimes pretty bad.03:33
man-woofKDE needs to shake their tits at valve, if KDE became the desktop-mode for SteamOS that'd look nice03:33
ubottuThe main Ubuntu channels require that you speak in calm, polite English. For other languages, please visit https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList03:34
man-woofKDE runs fine in a VM if you're using the software renderer or have good gpu accelerate03:34
valorienot everyone plays games03:34
valoriemost big installs of Kubuntu are in schools and offices03:35
man-woofKVM + IOMMU = native graphics card performance03:35
valoriealthough the Munich rollout is average users for the most part03:35
TheFakeazneD525whoa, what happened in here03:35
TheFakeazneD525I was watching a transformers movie with my family, and bam, wall of text03:36
man-wooflxqt, gnome, and til some think tits is a swear word... it's not in canada/aus/nz/uk... usa?03:37
valorienot a swear word, no03:40
man-woofis it possible to make a window fill the top/bottom half? 1/4 and half snaps are nice, top and bottom halfs would kinda complete the set03:41
TheFakeazneD525say, speaking of changes...03:41
TheFakeazneD525valorie: opinion on SystemD03:41
man-woofsystemD = ok in many aspects, completely retarded in others03:42
man-woofSadly the arrogance of it's devs are it's greatest flaw.03:42
man-wooflike with gnome...03:42
valoriewell, since Debian and Ubuntu decided to use it, we will use it03:43
TheFakeazneD525I think that the binary logs thing, despite me never reading logs (usually) was dumb03:43
man-woofNot only was it stupid, there's no tool to handle corrupt logs.03:43
valorieI assume as there is greater takeup, there will be more bug fixing03:43
man-woofI don't get why they didn't go JSON+chunks03:43
TheFakeazneD525valorie: hear about UselessD?03:44
man-woofAlso, it has a huge attack surface...03:44
valorieyes, of course03:44
man-woofSystemD core should be uselessd03:46
man-woofIf you know what i mean... a lot fo stuff should be optional, not all one big bundle03:47
valorieand that may happen03:47
valoriekdelibs is now splitted03:47
valorieanything can happen03:47
man-woofif it does ssytemd would no longer suck, unless you wanted it to :P03:47
valorieif anybody can help, it is debian devels03:48
valorieI think they can stand up to the systemd cabal03:48
TheFakeazneD525How well do Ubuntu server images work on Azure~03:48
man-woofTheFakeazneD525: Well... MS does make good VM software03:49
valorielet's see if ubottu knows03:49
man-woofbot defeated03:49
valoriesudo make me a sandwich03:50
man-woofI expect good CPU performance, bad IO since it's windows, and only VESA video driver03:50
valoriedang, nobody around but me to do that.....03:50
man-woofOr maybe a simple gpu...03:50
man-woofSUDO SU -vs- SU03:50
TheFakeazneD525I think its good that MS is at least trying to be a bit more open... its a good first step03:51
man-woofMS gets pressure form it's big-corp companies03:52
TheFakeazneD525Like, with their increasing linux support for some things, and now making open source stuff03:52
man-woofIt's funny seeing IBM make Linux-only sytems now, no windows at all03:52
man-woofI can buy POWER8 boxes, only options are Linux or.... whatever other crap runs03:52
man-woofARM servers becoming more popular03:53
man-woofWeak CPUs, but low wattage and cost per core.03:53
man-woof16 1.6GHz ARM cores costs as much as intel's j190003:54
man-woof(that's a 10W quadcore)03:54
man-woofPeople cry KDE is bloated but these days the weakest x86 boards you can get, those puny $55 embedded boards, run it perfectly.03:55
man-woofMy phone can run KDE lol03:55
man-woofSomeone make a kickstarter, Kubuntu-Beagle03:56
TheFakeazneD525that reminds me03:56
TheFakeazneD525valorie: what happened to Kubuntu-low-fat03:56
TheFakeazneD525or w/e it was called03:57
TheFakeazneD525!info kubuntu-low-fat-settings03:57
ubottuPackage kubuntu-low-fat-settings does not exist in trusty03:57
man-woofI'd love it if Kubuntu had a minimal metapackage03:57
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man-woofI'm on ubuntu-server-utopic running KDE because the kubuntu iso puts on more stuff than i care for04:01
TheFakeazneD525I personally like carving down04:02
man-woofi should make an apt packages list so the build service could spit out an iso04:03
man-woofalthough some things are hard to choose, i use wicd instead of the tele suite04:03
man-woofwicd + plasma widget04:03
man-woofdang the ubuntu kernel is huge04:04
man-woofthere's so many things bundled in which don't even work04:05
man-woof90's hardware04:05
valorieTheFakeazneD525: it's no longer needed04:06
valoriewe moved that stuff upstream04:06
valoriethere is a tool to make your own custom iso04:07
ubottuTo mount an ISO disc image, type « sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint> » - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.04:07
man-woofsuse has better iso build service :P04:07
valoriesure, obs can build you kubuntu isos actually04:08
valoriedarn, what is that called04:08
man-woofI wonder if Kubunut should go dual mini/full iso one day, as the main iso gets larger and larger it gets hard to DL on a slow connection unless you use torrent04:09
valorieI seed all the torrents04:09
valorieI hope that is how most people get the stuff04:09
man-woofwoah woah debian getting another stable already04:11
man-woofit's full of... newer stuff than 14.0404:11
TheFakeazneD525valorie: a lot of those pages on the wiki are a bit... outdated04:11
TheFakeazneD525like one about installing from a usb04:11
man-woofsome are form 2007 and completely irrelevant  :-/04:11
TheFakeazneD525valorie: can I OpenID myself an account there? I'd like to edit a few pages :304:12
valorieyou should be able to do so04:13
TheFakeazneD525(^: I'll get started after i do some things on another server :^)04:13
TheFakeazneD525oh yeah valorie05:05
TheFakeazneD525so, the package minidlna keeps popping up in my install05:05
TheFakeazneD525y tho05:05
valorienot sure, but I know it makes my laptop see/be seen by the bluray05:06
TheFakeazneD525!info minidlna05:06
ubottuPackage minidlna does not exist in trusty05:06
valorieI believe it adds something to bluetooth05:07
TheFakeazneD525!info minidlna05:07
ubottuPackage minidlna does not exist in trusty05:07
valorienot sure it's a package05:08
TheFakeazneD525in universe under networking05:08
TheFakeazneD525!help info05:08
TheFakeazneD525eh, its in universe tho05:09
TheFakeazneD525valorie: ^05:09
valorieyeah, I just found it using muon05:10
TheFakeazneD525muon is so useful05:10
TheFakeazneD525and fast05:10
valorieapt-cache don't know everything.....05:10
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jotikHi! No alternate ISOs any more for Kubuntu? :(07:32
valoriehi jotik07:32
lordievaderGood morning.07:32
valorieyou can use the mini iso07:32
ubottuThe Minimal CD image is very small in size, and it downloads most packages from the Internet during installation, allowing you to select only those you want.  The installer is text based (rather than graphical as used on the Desktop DVD). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD07:33
jotikvalorie: it provides an option to install Kubuntu?07:33
lordievaderjotik: Yes/07:34
lordievaderjotik: It downloads anything you want from the internet. So an active internet connection is needed.07:34
jotikand enough options to do a RAID1 install?07:34
lordievaderOf that I am not sure, but it is the most flexible of installers.07:35
ubottuTips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SoftwareRAID and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO - For software RAID, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FakeRaidHowto07:35
jotikhmm... no SHA256SUMS / SHA256SUMS.gpg for that :S07:35
valorieI think there are md5sums for all of them?07:35
jotikah... the SHA256SUMS are up one directory level on the webhost07:36
jotikbut they use some other public key... weird.07:37
ubottuTo verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows07:41
jotikThese are signed with 437D05B5 (fingerprint 6302 39CC 130E 1A7F D81A  27B1 4097 6EAF 437D 05B5) and C0B21F32 (fingerprint 790B C727 7767 219C 42C8  6F93 3B4F E6AC C0B2 1F32). Are these valid keys?07:43
jotikOr are all keys imported from hkp://keyserver.ubuntu.com guaranteed to be valid for Ubuntu?07:46
valorieif you run md5, you see the check in the cli07:46
valorienaturally, unless you are in the circle of trust of the uploader, you won't have that final bit of trust07:47
valoriecertainly they pay attention to their circle of trusts07:47
tsimpsonkeyserver.ubutnu.com is just a regular keyserver07:48
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jotikso... I how do I verify whether the keys used to sign the SHA256SUMS are correct?07:53
valoriejotik: all I can say is that once I've let ktorrent check the iso, I do the md5 sum07:58
valorieand they have all checked out07:58
valoriethe same people do the uploading, for a long time07:58
valoriethe technical board are all trustworthy people07:59
valorieI've met some in person08:00
valorietoo bad I didn't do a keysigning.... but then, we've not met either08:00
jotikvalorie: the checksums only provide integrity08:08
jotikbut I need to verify whether these are created by Ubuntu08:09
jotikfor this I need to check whether the signature is valid, and signed with a proper private key08:10
jotik..belonging to Ubuntu08:10
valorieas I said, I can only say that I've seen integrity there for many years08:14
valoriearound 10 years08:14
AntisoundHi Riddell, have you tested?09:42
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AleksejsHomehey, I've looked for help on ubuntu channel, there's a complete silence. I have the very same problem I had 6 months ago: wifi doesn't work after upgrade11:08
AleksejsHomein fact, even if I launch a 13.10 liveUSB, wifi dowsn't work11:08
AleksejsHomewifi works only with 12.04 and that's all. In lshw I see that wifi is disabled, however I can clearly see it's enabled.11:10
AleksejsHomeand the funny thing is that Ubuntu troubleshooting page advices you to google(!) the problem :)11:10
bipulHello, I am looking for a help.11:11
bipul I am unable to install any packages via terminal. http://paste.ubuntu.com/8492011/ Also I am getting this messages on my terminal whenever i try to update http://paste.ubuntu.com/8492051/11:11
AleksejsHomebipul: I 'm starting to think it's impossible to get any help in ubuntu world11:14
bipulAleksejsHome: ? sorry i don't get you? why you think it is impossible to get any help in ubuntu world?11:15
AleksejsHomebecause I couldn't11:15
bipulAleksejsHome: what's your question or issue?11:17
AleksejsHomemy wifi doesn't work with 13.10 but works perfectly with 12.0411:18
AleksejsHomeI have this problem for 6 months, and now 12.04 is obsolette and I can't install anything. But once i just START the release-upgrade, wifi stops working11:19
AleksejsHomein 6 months(!!!) I couldn't get any help11:19
JeruvyAleksejsHome you have a choice, stay with 12.04 yes its EOL and no upgrades (and doing an out of phase update is just silly and will probably break) or do a fresh install of 14.04.1 and trying from there, where you can actually get some support.11:21
AleksejsHomeI tried 14.0411:21
AleksejsHomeand fresh install is not an option11:22
JeruvyIf you want support here, that is an option11:22
AleksejsHomeare you saying that only fresh 14.04 install (not upgrade) is an option?11:23
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JeruvyIm saying its a option.  Doing an out of phase upgrade will break stuff.   So its smarter to do a fresh install.  But its your choice.11:28
AleksejsHomeok, I'm upgrading to 14.04 now, I can already see that my touchpad will not work11:28
AleksejsHomeI had a problem with touchpad when I tried 14.04 last time11:29
AleksejsHomeit just decides that it doesn't need touchpad software and uninstalls it11:29
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BluesKajHiyas all11:52
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M1keI am kompletely new to linux and have only been using kubuntu for a couple of days. Can anyone point me to a good chat room for noobs to ask questions?12:09
soeeM1ke: fell free to ask here12:10
soeeand welcome to the best distro ever :)12:10
BluesKajwelcome M1ke ")12:13
M1keI am pretty stoked! I have been wanting to use Ubuntu for a couple of years but never made it a priority and finaly windows ticked me off enough to make the switch, my only disapointment is not doing it sooner. My biggest issue right now is the desktop. I had kubuntu 12.xx where it was easy to switch between the virtual desktops and I liked it but when I updated to 14.04 it seems like the desktops were changed and put side by side byut12:14
M1kei have no idea how to access the second virtual desktop so I just disabled it.12:14
M1keSo I guess my question is how do I switch between virtual desktops on 14.12:15
BluesKajM1ke, kmenu>computer>system settings>workspace behaviour12:18
M1keThanks BluesKaj! i will try that!12:20
M1keSuccess! Thanks! i gotta get to work now so I better get off here12:20
MoonUnit`mouse wheel when the cursor is on the desktop works for me, not sure if that was default setting.12:20
M1keThat worked for 12.xx but it wouldn't do it for me on 14.xx12:21
MoonUnit`weird, i'm on 14.0412:22
soeeM1ke: i can also recommend to use activities ! :)12:22
M1keOk now it will do it for me. I do not know what the difference was before, maybe it was trying to do side by side monitors with a panoramic desktop instead of virtual?12:26
M1kesoee what do you mean use activities?12:27
JuBeeHi! i am a new linux user (kubuntu). Can some one help me, how to unrar multiple rar files? Unrar command does not do it?12:42
ikoniaJuBee: define "does not do it"12:42
BluesKajJuBee, install unp, it can extract most compressed files12:44
JuBeeThanks BluesKaj unp worked!12:53
BluesKajJuBee, good12:54
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yahyaacan anyone suggest a very good easy to use backup utility for kubuntu!14:01
ubottuThere are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi - See also !sbackup and !cloning14:03
yahyaa@BlueKaj> Thanks!14:26
mdliЕсть кто ?14:47
soeemdli: !ru14:58
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PapamattiIs there any possibilty  to  open kdewallet automatically after login?18:52
bpromptPapamatti:    add it to System Settings > Startup and Shutdown > Autostart  <---  methinks18:59
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jalcinehow would I get Plasma 5 on Kubuntu today?19:34
TheFakeazneD525jalcine: there's an ISO in testing19:38
TheFakeazneD525jalcine: however, its, as i said19:38
jalcineokay then19:38
jalcineI'll wait19:38
TheFakeazneD525no prob man19:38
TheFakeazneD525jalcine: I'm anxious for Plasma 5 too :319:40
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BluesKajTheFakeazneD525, just tried it out, then reverted. the whole desktop freezing a lot19:48
BluesKajnot even going complain or file a bug ...too lazy19:49
BluesKajanway that's all for today19:50
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ubottuGuest79620: No warez here! This is not a file sharing channel (or network); read the channel topic. If you're looking for information about me, type « /msg ubottu !bot ». If you're looking for a channel, see « /msg ubottu !alis ».20:01
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soeejalcine, TheFakeazneD525, Plasma5 works for me (https://plus.google.com/110954078302330754910/posts/f6fj2xckYCU), but some users reports problems :)20:05
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TheBlokeHi all.  I'm running KUbuntu 14.10 64bit (upgraded from 14.04).  I've installed the Android SDK, and added various packages via the SDK Manager. But I can't run some of the binaries, e.g. adb, fastboot.  When I try to execute them, it just says 'file not found'.  I ran 'file adb' and I see it's a 32bit binary - so I'm thinking I'm missing some kind of 32bit support package I need to run 32bit executables?  I can't see22:54
TheBlokeanything immediately suitable in Synaptic or Muon22:54
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martin____testing 12323:59

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