[02:57] <BlueNinja> quick q: what's a good package of screensavers to snag?
[02:57] <BlueNinja> i've got none so far (for kde's locker)
[03:02] <man-woof> I wish there was a smaller kubuntu metapackage, kde-runtime + kde-workspace + kde-window-manager
[03:03] <valorie> man-woof: why?
[03:03] <valorie> if you want less, get less?
[03:03] <man-woof> because there's a lot of stuff not neded for a kde desktop
[03:03] <valorie> you can install via the mini-iso and just add what you like
[03:04] <valorie> most people don't want that, so that's not our recommended way of installing
[03:04] <man-woof> I used the ubuntu server iso lol
[03:07] <BlueNinja> no suggestions?
[03:08] <man-woof> Anyone else have plasma5 flat refust to do anything? I launch it and if i click anythign it pops and and disappears instantly
[03:09] <valorie> the ubuntu server iso will have the LAMP stack on it
[03:09] <valorie> rather heavy if you don't need that stuff, I would think
[03:09] <man-woof> actually it lets you pick wahtever you want
[03:09] <valorie> ok
[03:10] <man-woof> it's the only ubuntu iso which gives you the freedom to install what you want....
[03:10] <valorie> plasma 5 is somewhat buggy, but some of our devels are using it full time
[03:10] <valorie> the point of kubuntu is to provide the best KDE experience for our users
[03:10] <valorie> doing a minimal install doesn't do that
[03:11] <man-woof> Other than the splitting to made KDE less of a monster, I don't see anything special about plasma5, so far it has fewer features and i fear not all will come back
[03:11] <man-woof> It's a nice design but plasma5 with one of the nicer themes already in the repos looks as good if not better
[03:12] <man-woof> they really should use the dark theme by default, it looks better
[03:12] <valorie> I don't like dark themes and never use them
[03:12] <man-woof> bright themes burn my eyes, 300+nit screens
[03:13] <valorie> that's why there is a choice
[03:13] <valorie> as in everything with KDE
[03:13] <man-woof> hopefully 5 ends up with more instead of less
[03:14] <man-woof> although if it was the same i'd be happy, it needs stuff under the hood fixed more
[03:14] <man-woof> distro maintainers make it look how they want by default
[03:15] <valorie> we patch very minimally
[03:15] <valorie> and never change the appearance
[03:17] <man-woof> Krita-bright + oxygen-no-side-borders + slim glow = looks nice, only downside is the stock launcher looks bad
[03:17] <man-woof> plasma5's launcher skins FAR better
[03:18] <man-woof> it's really slow though, when it wants to work...
[03:22] <valorie> I understand that kicker rather than kickoff works well
[03:23] <valorie> so far, I've not been able to replace it though
[03:23] <valorie> test laptop has a broken hinge and is overheating
[03:23] <valorie> this laptop has the neon5 session, but that means logging out of here
[03:23] <man-woof> why is lightdm used instead of kdm
[03:23] <valorie> sddm is the future
[03:24] <valorie> but still buggy
[03:24] <valorie> lightdm is what Ubuntu has chosen
[03:24] <man-woof> oh boy, another dm
[03:24] <valorie> KDM is ancient
[03:24] <man-woof> kdm works...
[03:24] <valorie> lots still use it though
[03:24] <man-woof> althoug not for much longer i fear
[03:24] <valorie> SDDM is what KDE has chosen
[03:24] <man-woof> ah so it's meant to kill kdm
[03:25] <valorie> well, when devels no longer develop, things do die
[03:25] <valorie> nobody has to kill them
[03:25] <man-woof> heh, let's not pick up something, let's make another...
[03:25] <valorie> a few people are paid to hack on kde software, but for the most part, it is all volunteer labor
[03:26] <valorie> and always has been
[03:26] <valorie> man-woof: would you rather fix old code, or start over/fork?
[03:26] <valorie> it's always a balance
[03:26] <man-woof> valorie: depends on if the old is ugly
[03:26] <valorie> exactly
[03:27] <man-woof> LXDE is going LXQt, I wonder if they'll make their own DM or use SDDM, depends on how big it ends up being.
[03:28] <BuntuTech> will there still be lxde?
[03:28] <valorie> I believe so
[03:28] <BuntuTech> so now to lx's?
[03:28] <BuntuTech> sheehs
[03:28] <valorie> I don't think they are changing the name
[03:28] <man-woof> For a while, ya, but eventually LXQt will be superior and LXDE no longer can be kepy on life support
[03:29] <man-woof> Well, a lot of people call it LXQt
[03:29] <valorie> sure
[03:29] <BuntuTech> so i wonder how that will effect the lubuntu tean
[03:29] <man-woof> No negative effect, everyone seems happy with the roadmap.
[03:29] <valorie> ubuntu is now using Qt as well
[03:29] <BuntuTech> what is qt
[03:29] <valorie> Gtk is not really being kept alive
[03:30] <valorie> Qt is the toolkit for C++
[03:30] <man-woof> GNOME went full crazy
[03:30] <valorie> they are nice folks, with a different philosophy than ours
[03:30] <man-woof> "3.14 will win back users" lol
[03:30] <valorie> we work with them when possible
[03:31] <man-woof> Different as in... ignore complaints and remove features
[03:31] <man-woof> They maanged to make a lot fo gnome stock apps have fatter UIs despite having fewer fetures
[03:31] <man-woof> because muh touchscreens
[03:32] <man-woof> aaaa i don't like this keyboard
[03:33] <BuntuTech> i tried kubuntu again recently in my VM giving it 2 gb ram and my CPU is an intel i7 (monster) granted in the VM it was only using one core but it was laggin-sometimes pretty bad.
[03:33] <man-woof> KDE needs to shake their tits at valve, if KDE became the desktop-mode for SteamOS that'd look nice
[03:34] <valorie> !language
[03:34] <man-woof> KDE runs fine in a VM if you're using the software renderer or have good gpu accelerate
[03:34] <valorie> not everyone plays games
[03:35] <valorie> most big installs of Kubuntu are in schools and offices
[03:35] <man-woof> KVM + IOMMU = native graphics card performance
[03:35] <valorie> although the Munich rollout is average users for the most part
[03:35] <TheFakeazneD525> whoa, what happened in here
[03:35] <valorie> ?
[03:36] <TheFakeazneD525> I was watching a transformers movie with my family, and bam, wall of text
[03:36] <valorie> lol
[03:37] <man-woof> lxqt, gnome, and til some think tits is a swear word... it's not in canada/aus/nz/uk... usa?
[03:40] <valorie> not a swear word, no
[03:41] <man-woof> is it possible to make a window fill the top/bottom half? 1/4 and half snaps are nice, top and bottom halfs would kinda complete the set
[03:41] <TheFakeazneD525> say, speaking of changes...
[03:41] <TheFakeazneD525> valorie: opinion on SystemD
[03:42] <man-woof> systemD = ok in many aspects, completely retarded in others
[03:42] <man-woof> Sadly the arrogance of it's devs are it's greatest flaw.
[03:42] <man-woof> like with gnome...
[03:43] <valorie> well, since Debian and Ubuntu decided to use it, we will use it
[03:43] <TheFakeazneD525> I think that the binary logs thing, despite me never reading logs (usually) was dumb
[03:43] <man-woof> Not only was it stupid, there's no tool to handle corrupt logs.
[03:43] <valorie> I assume as there is greater takeup, there will be more bug fixing
[03:43] <man-woof> I don't get why they didn't go JSON+chunks
[03:44] <TheFakeazneD525> valorie: hear about UselessD?
[03:44] <man-woof> Also, it has a huge attack surface...
[03:44] <valorie> yes, of course
[03:46] <man-woof> SystemD core should be uselessd
[03:47] <man-woof> If you know what i mean... a lot fo stuff should be optional, not all one big bundle
[03:47] <valorie> and that may happen
[03:47] <valorie> kdelibs is now splitted
[03:47] <valorie> anything can happen
[03:47] <man-woof> if it does ssytemd would no longer suck, unless you wanted it to :P
[03:48] <valorie> if anybody can help, it is debian devels
[03:48] <valorie> I think they can stand up to the systemd cabal
[03:48] <TheFakeazneD525> How well do Ubuntu server images work on Azure~
[03:49] <valorie> dunno
[03:49] <man-woof> TheFakeazneD525: Well... MS does make good VM software
[03:49] <valorie> let's see if ubottu knows
[03:49] <valorie> !azure
[03:49] <valorie> nope....
[03:49] <man-woof> bot defeated
[03:50] <valorie> sudo make me a sandwich
[03:50] <man-woof> I expect good CPU performance, bad IO since it's windows, and only VESA video driver
[03:50] <valorie> dang, nobody around but me to do that.....
[03:50] <man-woof> Or maybe a simple gpu...
[03:50] <man-woof> SUDO SU -vs- SU
[03:51] <TheFakeazneD525> I think its good that MS is at least trying to be a bit more open... its a good first step
[03:52] <man-woof> MS gets pressure form it's big-corp companies
[03:52] <TheFakeazneD525> Like, with their increasing linux support for some things, and now making open source stuff
[03:52] <man-woof> customers*
[03:52] <man-woof> It's funny seeing IBM make Linux-only sytems now, no windows at all
[03:52] <man-woof> I can buy POWER8 boxes, only options are Linux or.... whatever other crap runs
[03:53] <man-woof> ARM servers becoming more popular
[03:53] <man-woof> Weak CPUs, but low wattage and cost per core.
[03:54] <man-woof> 16 1.6GHz ARM cores costs as much as intel's j1900
[03:54] <man-woof> (that's a 10W quadcore)
[03:55] <man-woof> People cry KDE is bloated but these days the weakest x86 boards you can get, those puny $55 embedded boards, run it perfectly.
[03:55] <TheFakeazneD525> ^
[03:55] <man-woof> My phone can run KDE lol
[03:56] <man-woof> Someone make a kickstarter, Kubuntu-Beagle
[03:56] <TheFakeazneD525> that reminds me
[03:56] <TheFakeazneD525> valorie: what happened to Kubuntu-low-fat
[03:57] <TheFakeazneD525> or w/e it was called
[03:57] <TheFakeazneD525> !info kubuntu-low-fat-settings
[03:57] <man-woof> I'd love it if Kubuntu had a minimal metapackage
[04:01] <man-woof> I'm on ubuntu-server-utopic running KDE because the kubuntu iso puts on more stuff than i care for
[04:02] <TheFakeazneD525> I personally like carving down
[04:03] <man-woof> i should make an apt packages list so the build service could spit out an iso
[04:03] <man-woof> although some things are hard to choose, i use wicd instead of the tele suite
[04:03] <man-woof> wicd + plasma widget
[04:04] <man-woof> dang the ubuntu kernel is huge
[04:05] <man-woof> there's so many things bundled in which don't even work
[04:05] <man-woof> 90's hardware
[04:06] <valorie> TheFakeazneD525: it's no longer needed
[04:06] <TheFakeazneD525> ah
[04:06] <valorie> we moved that stuff upstream
[04:07] <valorie> there is a tool to make your own custom iso
[04:07] <valorie> !iso
[04:07] <valorie> pfff
[04:07] <man-woof> suse has better iso build service :P
[04:08] <valorie> sure, obs can build you kubuntu isos actually
[04:08] <valorie> !custom
[04:08] <valorie> darn, what is that called
[04:09] <man-woof> I wonder if Kubunut should go dual mini/full iso one day, as the main iso gets larger and larger it gets hard to DL on a slow connection unless you use torrent
[04:09] <valorie> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization
[04:09] <valorie> I seed all the torrents
[04:09] <valorie> I hope that is how most people get the stuff
[04:11] <man-woof> woah woah debian getting another stable already
[04:11] <man-woof> it's full of... newer stuff than 14.04
[04:11] <TheFakeazneD525> valorie: a lot of those pages on the wiki are a bit... outdated
[04:11] <TheFakeazneD525> like one about installing from a usb
[04:11] <man-woof> some are form 2007 and completely irrelevant  :-/
[04:12] <TheFakeazneD525> valorie: can I OpenID myself an account there? I'd like to edit a few pages :3
[04:13] <valorie> you should be able to do so
[04:13] <TheFakeazneD525> (^: I'll get started after i do some things on another server :^)
[05:05] <TheFakeazneD525> oh yeah valorie
[05:05] <TheFakeazneD525> so, the package minidlna keeps popping up in my install
[05:05] <TheFakeazneD525> y tho
[05:06] <valorie> not sure, but I know it makes my laptop see/be seen by the bluray
[05:06] <TheFakeazneD525> same
[05:06] <TheFakeazneD525> !info minidlna
[05:07] <TheFakeazneD525> uwotm8
[05:07] <valorie> I believe it adds something to bluetooth
[05:07] <TheFakeazneD525> ah
[05:07] <TheFakeazneD525> !info minidlna
[05:07] <TheFakeazneD525> weird
[05:08] <valorie> not sure it's a package
[05:08] <TheFakeazneD525> in universe under networking
[05:08] <TheFakeazneD525> !info
[05:08] <TheFakeazneD525> !help info
[05:09] <TheFakeazneD525> eh, its in universe tho
[05:09] <TheFakeazneD525> ah
[05:09] <TheFakeazneD525> kipi-plugins
[05:09] <TheFakeazneD525> valorie: ^
[05:10] <valorie> yeah, I just found it using muon
[05:10] <TheFakeazneD525> same
[05:10] <TheFakeazneD525> muon is so useful
[05:10] <TheFakeazneD525> and fast
[05:10] <valorie> apt-cache don't know everything.....
[07:32] <jotik> Hi! No alternate ISOs any more for Kubuntu? :(
[07:32] <valorie> hi jotik
[07:32] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:32] <valorie> you can use the mini iso
[07:33] <valorie> !mini
[07:33] <jotik> valorie: it provides an option to install Kubuntu?
[07:34] <lordievader> jotik: Yes/
[07:34] <lordievader> jotik: It downloads anything you want from the internet. So an active internet connection is needed.
[07:34] <jotik> and enough options to do a RAID1 install?
[07:35] <lordievader> Of that I am not sure, but it is the most flexible of installers.
[07:35] <valorie> !raid
[07:35] <jotik> hmm... no SHA256SUMS / SHA256SUMS.gpg for that :S
[07:35] <valorie> I think there are md5sums for all of them?
[07:36] <jotik> ah... the SHA256SUMS are up one directory level on the webhost
[07:37] <jotik> but they use some other public key... weird.
[07:41] <valorie> !md5
[07:43] <jotik> These are signed with 437D05B5 (fingerprint 6302 39CC 130E 1A7F D81A  27B1 4097 6EAF 437D 05B5) and C0B21F32 (fingerprint 790B C727 7767 219C 42C8  6F93 3B4F E6AC C0B2 1F32). Are these valid keys?
[07:46] <jotik> Or are all keys imported from hkp://keyserver.ubuntu.com guaranteed to be valid for Ubuntu?
[07:46] <valorie> if you run md5, you see the check in the cli
[07:47] <valorie> naturally, unless you are in the circle of trust of the uploader, you won't have that final bit of trust
[07:47] <valorie> certainly they pay attention to their circle of trusts
[07:48] <tsimpson> keyserver.ubutnu.com is just a regular keyserver
[07:52] <petoys> ciauu
[07:52] <petoys> !list
[07:53] <jotik> so... I how do I verify whether the keys used to sign the SHA256SUMS are correct?
[07:53] <jotik> -I
[07:58] <valorie> jotik: all I can say is that once I've let ktorrent check the iso, I do the md5 sum
[07:58] <valorie> and they have all checked out
[07:58] <valorie> the same people do the uploading, for a long time
[07:59] <valorie> the technical board are all trustworthy people
[08:00] <valorie> I've met some in person
[08:00] <valorie> too bad I didn't do a keysigning.... but then, we've not met either
[08:08] <jotik> valorie: the checksums only provide integrity
[08:09] <jotik> but I need to verify whether these are created by Ubuntu
[08:10] <jotik> for this I need to check whether the signature is valid, and signed with a proper private key
[08:10] <jotik> ..belonging to Ubuntu
[08:14] <valorie> as I said, I can only say that I've seen integrity there for many years
[08:14] <valorie> around 10 years
[09:42] <Antisound> Hi Riddell, have you tested?
[11:08] <AleksejsHome> hey, I've looked for help on ubuntu channel, there's a complete silence. I have the very same problem I had 6 months ago: wifi doesn't work after upgrade
[11:08] <AleksejsHome> in fact, even if I launch a 13.10 liveUSB, wifi dowsn't work
[11:10] <AleksejsHome> wifi works only with 12.04 and that's all. In lshw I see that wifi is disabled, however I can clearly see it's enabled.
[11:10] <AleksejsHome> and the funny thing is that Ubuntu troubleshooting page advices you to google(!) the problem :)
[11:11] <bipul> Hello, I am looking for a help.
[11:11] <bipul>  I am unable to install any packages via terminal. http://paste.ubuntu.com/8492011/ Also I am getting this messages on my terminal whenever i try to update http://paste.ubuntu.com/8492051/
[11:14] <AleksejsHome> bipul: I 'm starting to think it's impossible to get any help in ubuntu world
[11:15] <bipul> AleksejsHome: ? sorry i don't get you? why you think it is impossible to get any help in ubuntu world?
[11:15] <AleksejsHome> because I couldn't
[11:17] <bipul> AleksejsHome: what's your question or issue?
[11:18] <AleksejsHome> my wifi doesn't work with 13.10 but works perfectly with 12.04
[11:19] <AleksejsHome> I have this problem for 6 months, and now 12.04 is obsolette and I can't install anything. But once i just START the release-upgrade, wifi stops working
[11:19] <AleksejsHome> in 6 months(!!!) I couldn't get any help
[11:21] <Jeruvy> AleksejsHome you have a choice, stay with 12.04 yes its EOL and no upgrades (and doing an out of phase update is just silly and will probably break) or do a fresh install of 14.04.1 and trying from there, where you can actually get some support.
[11:21] <AleksejsHome> I tried 14.04
[11:22] <AleksejsHome> and fresh install is not an option
[11:22] <Jeruvy> If you want support here, that is an option
[11:23] <AleksejsHome> are you saying that only fresh 14.04 install (not upgrade) is an option?
[11:28] <Jeruvy> Im saying its a option.  Doing an out of phase upgrade will break stuff.   So its smarter to do a fresh install.  But its your choice.
[11:28] <AleksejsHome> ok, I'm upgrading to 14.04 now, I can already see that my touchpad will not work
[11:29] <AleksejsHome> I had a problem with touchpad when I tried 14.04 last time
[11:29] <AleksejsHome> it just decides that it doesn't need touchpad software and uninstalls it
[11:38] <john____> hello
[11:52] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:09] <M1ke> I am kompletely new to linux and have only been using kubuntu for a couple of days. Can anyone point me to a good chat room for noobs to ask questions?
[12:10] <soee> M1ke: fell free to ask here
[12:10] <soee> and welcome to the best distro ever :)
[12:13] <BluesKaj> welcome M1ke ")
[12:14] <M1ke> I am pretty stoked! I have been wanting to use Ubuntu for a couple of years but never made it a priority and finaly windows ticked me off enough to make the switch, my only disapointment is not doing it sooner. My biggest issue right now is the desktop. I had kubuntu 12.xx where it was easy to switch between the virtual desktops and I liked it but when I updated to 14.04 it seems like the desktops were changed and put side by side byut
[12:14] <M1ke> i have no idea how to access the second virtual desktop so I just disabled it.
[12:15] <M1ke> So I guess my question is how do I switch between virtual desktops on 14.
[12:18] <BluesKaj> M1ke, kmenu>computer>system settings>workspace behaviour
[12:20] <M1ke> Thanks BluesKaj! i will try that!
[12:20] <M1ke> Success! Thanks! i gotta get to work now so I better get off here
[12:20] <MoonUnit`> mouse wheel when the cursor is on the desktop works for me, not sure if that was default setting.
[12:21] <M1ke> That worked for 12.xx but it wouldn't do it for me on 14.xx
[12:22] <MoonUnit`> weird, i'm on 14.04
[12:22] <soee> M1ke: i can also recommend to use activities ! :)
[12:26] <M1ke> Ok now it will do it for me. I do not know what the difference was before, maybe it was trying to do side by side monitors with a panoramic desktop instead of virtual?
[12:27] <M1ke> soee what do you mean use activities?
[12:42] <JuBee> Hi! i am a new linux user (kubuntu). Can some one help me, how to unrar multiple rar files? Unrar command does not do it?
[12:42] <ikonia> JuBee: define "does not do it"
[12:44] <BluesKaj> JuBee, install unp, it can extract most compressed files
[12:53] <JuBee> Thanks BluesKaj unp worked!
[12:54] <BluesKaj> JuBee, good
[12:54] <BluesKaj> brb
[14:01] <yahyaa> can anyone suggest a very good easy to use backup utility for kubuntu!
[14:03] <BluesKaj> !backup
[14:03] <BluesKaj> yahyaa,^
[14:26] <yahyaa> @BlueKaj> Thanks!
[14:47] <mdli> Есть кто ?
[14:58] <soee> mdli: !ru
[14:58] <soee> !ru
[15:06] <mdli> !ru
[18:51] <Papamatti> Hi
[18:52] <Papamatti> Is there any possibilty  to  open kdewallet automatically after login?
[18:59] <bprompt> Papamatti:    add it to System Settings > Startup and Shutdown > Autostart  <---  methinks
[19:34] <jalcine> how would I get Plasma 5 on Kubuntu today?
[19:38] <TheFakeazneD525> jalcine: there's an ISO in testing
[19:38] <TheFakeazneD525> jalcine: however, its, as i said
[19:38] <TheFakeazneD525> testing
[19:38] <jalcine> right
[19:38] <jalcine> okay then
[19:38] <jalcine> I'll wait
[19:38] <jalcine> :)
[19:38] <TheFakeazneD525> no prob man
[19:40] <TheFakeazneD525> jalcine: I'm anxious for Plasma 5 too :3
[19:48] <BluesKaj> TheFakeazneD525, just tried it out, then reverted. the whole desktop freezing a lot
[19:49] <BluesKaj> not even going complain or file a bug ...too lazy
[19:50] <BluesKaj> anway that's all for today
[20:01] <Guest79620> ciao
[20:01] <Guest79620> !list
[20:01] <Guest79620> grazie
[20:05] <soee> jalcine, TheFakeazneD525, Plasma5 works for me (https://plus.google.com/110954078302330754910/posts/f6fj2xckYCU), but some users reports problems :)
[22:54] <TheBloke> Hi all.  I'm running KUbuntu 14.10 64bit (upgraded from 14.04).  I've installed the Android SDK, and added various packages via the SDK Manager. But I can't run some of the binaries, e.g. adb, fastboot.  When I try to execute them, it just says 'file not found'.  I ran 'file adb' and I see it's a 32bit binary - so I'm thinking I'm missing some kind of 32bit support package I need to run 32bit executables?  I can't see
[22:54] <TheBloke> anything immediately suitable in Synaptic or Muon
[23:05] <TheBloke> (solved)
[23:59] <martin____> testing 123