[06:00] <Kilos> morning ThatGraemeGuy  and others
[07:06] <Kilos> hmm...
[08:13] <Kilos> grrrr
[08:20] <inetpro> Maaz: define grrr
[08:20] <Maaz> inetpro: I don't have a definition for that. Is it even a word?
[08:21] <inetpro> good mornings Kilos
[08:21] <Kilos> lol hi inetpro  
[08:22] <inetpro> Kilos: why imitating the growling sound of predatory animals?
[08:22] <Kilos> because of this disconnecting thing without showing
[08:22] <inetpro> ai!
[08:22] <Kilos> and the need to replug modem
[08:23] <inetpro> cold this morning
[08:23] <Kilos> no goog disconnect reconnect with nm , you have to physically unplug it
[08:23] <Kilos> ya eina cold
[08:23] <Kilos> it an internal thing i think
[08:25] <inetpro> don't you use that router thingymagic?
[08:25] <Kilos> nope that has a auto disconnect thing that cups whenever im afk
[08:26] <Kilos> Maaz  grr
[08:26] <Maaz> grrr is a growling sound normally made by  predatory animals, but , also used by angry humans at times
[08:28] <Kilos> starngely enough the disconnecting is worse on kde
[08:28] <Kilos> strangly
[08:28] <Kilos> ai!
[08:28] <Kilos> strangely
[08:29] <Kilos> maybe its a sign to stick with unity hehe
[08:46] <inetpro> sell a sheep and get a proper router man
[08:49] <Kilos> no man whats wrong with modem into pc?
[08:49] <Kilos> i even got a new usb extension for it
[08:50] <Kilos> so no bridge thing needed
[08:50] <bushtech_> Last time lightning nailed us the spike travelled alonf the lan cables, good enough reason for me to go wifi router
[08:51] <Kilos> whew
[08:51] <bushtech_> at least now it will only fry router
[08:51] <bushtech_> cant wait for it to happen
[08:51] <Kilos> my only physiacl connection is power
[08:52] <Kilos> physical
[08:52] <bushtech_> crap huawei router
[08:54] <Kilos> my router can work but its just that much more to worry about
[08:55] <Kilos> on 10.10 it worked fine with the dhcp thingie
[08:56] <Kilos> the pro always said get a decent modem
[08:56] <Kilos> so i got one and battled to get it to work on 12.04
[08:57] <Kilos> on 14.04 it works so yay
[08:57] <Kilos> now he wants me to buy a proper router
[08:57] <Kilos> sigh
[08:58] <inetpro> Kilos: how are your sheep doing this year?
[08:59] <Kilos> got 2 lambs that seem to be growing well, but well see what bugs get them
[08:59] <Kilos> havent had luck with sheep since that time when they stole half of them
[08:59] <inetpro> hmm... 
[08:59] <Kilos> ewes are old now so only one is getting preggy
[09:00] <inetpro> ai!
[09:00] <Kilos> ya
[09:06] <inetpro> Kilos: how old are they?
[09:13] <Kilos> well one i brought up with me from natal
[09:13] <Kilos> so must be 10 or more
[09:13] <Kilos> i forget
[09:14] <Kilos> we should eat them but then there are none walking around for inspectors to see then rates go up
[09:15] <Kilos> those 7 they stole were all preggy ewes, just so someone had sheep for christmas
[09:15] <inetpro> sjoe
[09:16] <bushtech_> Ouch!
[09:16] <Kilos> thats maybe 3 years ago i think, so their lambs would be on their second lamb by now
[09:17] <Kilos> we only got 3 ewes left now and one new lamb is a ewe
[09:17] <bushtech_> do they sleep in a building?
[09:18] <Kilos> in a steel kraal with roof overhead
[09:18] <Kilos> steel kinda mesh
[09:19] <Kilos> but they broke into locked shed for all the copper they could find anyway
[09:19] <Kilos> sheds
[09:19] <bushtech_> Eish!
[09:19] <Kilos> nothing is safe
[09:20] <bushtech_> fraid not
[09:20] <Kilos> all welder cables and extensions gone
[09:21] <bushtech_> That's SA, sad to say
[09:22] <bushtech_> what helps, is if your security is better than neighbours
[09:22] <Kilos> but the main thief broke into the wrong house near here and a nervous wife put 2 bullets through his head
[09:23] <bushtech_> give that woman a Bell's :)
[09:23] <Kilos> lol
[09:23] <Kilos> so we have had 3 years of piece
[09:24] <Kilos> or 2
[09:24] <bushtech_> peace brother
[09:24] <Kilos> i used to have to check boundary fences everyday because he used to just cut shorcuts evry night
[09:25] <Kilos> oh ya that peace
[09:26] <bushtech_> put a continuity tester over one strand, then at least you can check without walking the fence every day
[09:27] <Kilos> nope man its doring draad
[09:27] <Kilos> and that bonnex fencing
[09:27] <bushtech_> doring draad conducts
[09:28] <Kilos> over 6 ft high around here where the kraal is too but that didnt stop them
[09:28] <Kilos> ya but then you need insulators by all ysterpale and droppers
[09:29] <Kilos> otherwise the one upcut strand will still give a reading
[09:30] <bushtech_> yep, you're right
[09:33] <Kilos> i did electric fencing on a 2500 hectare farm near rustenburg
[09:34] <Kilos> used the same as used for elephants but they still worked their way in
[09:34] <Kilos> they just short them out
[09:41] <Kilos> same as with car theft, half of them work with the firms that install all the security stuff so know the workarounds
[09:44] <Kilos> hi gremble  
[09:55] <Kilos> haha inetpro  just saw this http://is.gd/xbw3yO
[09:56] <Kilos> iburts offering that with the same router as mine
[09:57] <Kilos> iburst
[09:59]  * inetpro tried it long ago
[09:59] <inetpro> not worth it
[09:59] <Kilos> lol
[09:59] <inetpro> at least not here
[10:00] <Kilos> ya man the point is its the same router
[10:03] <inetpro> if their network was reliable and reception was good it would be a good deal
[10:03] <Kilos> eish more eskom price hikes next year
[10:03] <Kilos> 12.4% up
[10:04] <gremble> hey Kilos 
[10:04] <Kilos> oops 12.7 %
[10:06] <inetpro> all prices just keep going up but salaries stay low
[10:06] <inetpro> don't know how people survive
[10:06] <Kilos> met moete
[10:06] <Kilos> moeite
[10:10] <inetpro> brown bread was less than R3.00 in 2000 now in 2014 is above R10.00
[10:11] <Symmetria> inet heh be bankful you dont love in Kenya if you think things are expensive in za
[10:12] <Symmetria> salaries here are typically lower, and prices are typically way way way higher 
[10:12] <inetpro> eish!
[10:12] <Symmetria> (put it this way, if Im wanting to shop for a lot of clothes and other items, its cheaper for me to fly to south africa with 2 large empty suitcases, fill them up and fly back)
[10:13] <inetpro> that's crazy
[10:13] <Symmetria> heh, there are two types of food in kenya in terms of cost, your kinda staple items (chicken, beef, goat) and bread and milk, that stuff isn't that bad
[10:13] <Symmetria> but if you want anything considered a "luxury" good luck, a tub of icecream here costs 1200 kenya shillings 
[10:14] <Symmetria> which is about 150 bux for 2 litres of ice cream
[10:14] <Symmetria> want a cocktail in a bar? cost you anywhere from R65 - R100 for a cocktail
[10:14] <Kilos> sjoe
[10:15] <Symmetria> and haha, rent prices and property prices in kenya make parts of capetown look cheap 
[10:16] <Symmetria> by rent here for the house I stay in costs R38k ZAR a month, and believe me, I aint at the very high end of the market, thats kinda, mid to high end range 
[10:16] <Symmetria> wanna buy in a good area? you're looking at a starting price of around 8 to 10 million ZAR
[10:16] <inetpro> what's the price of bread?
[10:17] <Symmetria> hrm, probably about 100 - 150 shillings (so between 13 and 20 bux dependant on where)
[10:18] <Symmetria> if my fiance and I go shopping for groceries which typically last 3 to 4 weeks, we're looking at a minimum of around 4 thousand rand 
[10:20] <inetpro> obviously what you earn is not what the average guy on the street earns
[10:20] <Symmetria> I have no idea how people who are clearing after tax anywhere under around 30 thousand rand a month survive here 
[10:20] <Symmetria> no, nowhere close, and I have no idea how they make ends meet 
[10:21] <Symmetria> heh my electricity bill alone last month came to 2.7k ZAR
[10:22] <inetpro>  Cost of Living in Kenya http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country_result.jsp?country=Kenya
[10:23] <Symmetria> Meal for 2, Mid-range Restaurant, Three-course	2,000.00 KSh <[10:23] <Symmetria> but sure as hell not in nairobi
[10:24] <Symmetria> heh those prices may reflect nakuru or diani or lamu
[10:24] <Symmetria> but they sure as hell do not reflect Nairobi at all
[10:24] <Symmetria> 1 Pair of Jeans (Levis 501 Or Similar)	3,128.82 KSh <[10:25] <Symmetria> Apartment (3 bedrooms) in City Centre	89,535.29 KSh <[10:25] <inetpro> select your city
[10:26] <inetpro> interesting database
[10:27] <Symmetria> yeah but those prices for nairobi when I looked also dont reflect much reality 
[10:27] <Symmetria> Apartment (3 bedrooms) in City Centre	100,864.29 KSh
[10:27] <Symmetria> you MAY be able to get something for that 
[10:27] <Symmetria> but it aint gonna be anything special
[10:28] <Symmetria> and even that, convert that to rands
[10:28] <Symmetria> thats 13k a month for an apartment
[10:28] <Symmetria> my rent for a 3 bedroom apartment in capetown was like, half that in rondebosch ;p
[10:29] <inetpro> I see you can edit and add your own pricing
[10:30] <Symmetria> heh, look at the properly buy prices though there
[10:31] <Symmetria> price per square meter to buy = 14.5k a square meter
[10:31] <Symmetria> an average 3 bedroom apartment is what, 50 squares?
[10:31] <Symmetria> so 725 thousand for a 3 bedroom (tiny) apartment
[10:34] <Symmetria> heh inetpro
[10:34] <Symmetria> look at this:
[10:34] <Symmetria> http://www.hellofood.co.ke/restaurant/k0ea/big-square-lavington
[10:35] <Symmetria> divide by 8 to get approximate rand price
[10:35] <Symmetria> so 50 to 60 bux for a burger
[10:36] <Symmetria> single rack of ribs in a resturant (and you need 2 racks to be full) costs you R105, so double that if you want a decent meal
[10:36] <inetpro> not far off from here
[10:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> my local is R95 for a full rack that you can finish if you're really hungry and skip starters
[10:37] <inetpro> you can't even get a burger in a restaurant below R60 these days
[10:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> depends where you go, place around the corner from me has burger specials on monday and tuesday, R50 for 2 burgers with chips, and they're decent burgers too
[10:40]  * inetpro hungry now
[10:40] <Symmetria> heh I had an engagement party the other day
[10:41] <Symmetria> and because the girlfriend does events etc for a living, we had the thing catered for a heavily discounted price
[10:41] <Symmetria> still cost R5500 for the food for 30 people
[10:41] <Symmetria> (no booze)
[10:44] <Symmetria> the only advantage of kenya is that in terms of internet access
[10:44] <Symmetria> we're so far ahead of za here its not even a joke
[10:44] <Symmetria> we're launching 40meg completely uncapped for under a thousand zar a month
[11:20] <charl> Symmetria: south africa is something you want to compare to in any case
[11:20] <charl> *not
[11:21] <charl> it's one of the worst connected countries in the semi-developed world
[12:58] <nlsthzn> uncle Kilos ... BIG game later...
[12:59] <Kilos> yip nlsthzn  and im watching cheetahs/wp atm
[13:00] <Kilos> did the sharks play yesterday nl?
[13:00] <nlsthzn> ah k... 
[13:00] <Kilos> nlsthzn  
[13:00] <nlsthzn> yes they played lions
[13:00] <Kilos> score?
[13:01] <nlsthzn> I am vanging gees here on my lonesome 
[13:01] <Kilos> i didnt even look
[13:01] <Kilos> lol
[13:01] <nlsthzn> the sharks just won... not sure of score
[13:01] <Kilos> just won is good enough for me
[13:01] <nlsthzn> :)
[13:01] <Kilos> ty for thet info
[13:01] <nlsthzn> bulls smashed puma's so I am happy
[13:01] <Kilos> yay
[13:01] <nlsthzn> hope duan is fit to play...
[13:02] <Kilos> oh havent they announced yet on his condition
[13:02] <Kilos> been talk of it all week in the news
[13:02] <Kilos> but final decide is just before match i spose
[13:03] <nlsthzn> as far as I can see
[13:03] <nlsthzn> we need thor :)
[13:04] <Kilos> we need something
[13:04] <Kilos> havent beaten them for a long time now
[13:05] <Kilos> i go fetch sheep so i can park in game time
[13:06] <nlsthzn> k, :)
[13:08] <nlsthzn> one song I am trying to get and it seems I will have to buy a six disc set to get it >.< - tata tata haka haka by leon schuster
[13:11] <Kilos> lol
[14:16] <nlsthzn> http://gadling.com/2013/09/10/australian-pig-steals-beer :D
[15:30] <nlsthzn> Kilos, this refs mom was a man
[15:30] <Kilos> lol
[15:50] <nlsthzn> comments uncle Kilos ?
[15:58] <Kilos> at least we ahead at half time
[15:58] <nlsthzn> speechless uncle Kilos ?
[15:58] <nlsthzn> :p
[15:58] <nlsthzn> ah there you are :D
[15:58] <Kilos> my boet is just leaving, last visit, tomorrow flys to dubai
[15:58] <nlsthzn> at least ahead... I have a good feeling about this game... ellis park last 20 always in our favour
[15:58] <nlsthzn> tell boet his timing sucks
[15:58] <Kilos> lol
[16:00] <Kilos> but we are playing much better nlsthzn  
[16:00] <nlsthzn> yup :D
[16:00] <Kilos> i didnt understans some of the refs decision but ya
[16:00] <Kilos> understand
[16:01] <Kilos> tara is jumping for joy
[16:06] <Kilos> oh my
[16:06] <Kilos> boks are alive today
[16:15] <Kilos> pale toe
[16:15] <Kilos> duan doing well nlsthzn  
[16:23] <nlsthzn> bokke! :d
[16:25] <nlsthzn> this fkn reff
[16:25] <nlsthzn> and tmo
[16:39] <Kilos> eish
[16:40] <nlsthzn> I dunno
[16:40] <nlsthzn> >.<
[16:40] <Kilos> something has gone wrong with the changes
[16:41] <Kilos> someone not pulling his weight
[16:54] <Kilos> lambie
[16:54] <Kilos> great kick
[16:55] <Kilos> very tense ending
[16:56] <nlsthzn> :D
[16:57] <Kilos> at last
[17:05] <charl> hi smile 
[17:05] <smile> hi :)
[17:05] <charl> and good evening to everyone
[17:05] <smile> since when does chatzilla support notifications? :o
[17:05] <nlsthzn> can't believe we faded at the end...
[17:05] <nlsthzn> that is what cost the aussies last week-end
[17:05] <Kilos> ya
[17:05] <nlsthzn> since the bokke won
[17:05] <nlsthzn> :p
[17:05] <charl> smile: do you like house music
[17:06] <Kilos> hi charl  smile  
[17:06] <charl> hi Kilos :)
[17:06] <smile> charl: not particulary :p
[17:07] <charl> ate a great pasta tonight, italian durum wheat pasta with basil pesto, rucola, olive oil and hemp seed
[17:07] <charl> i should do this more often
[17:08] <charl> smile: is house also popular in belgium as it is in NL ?
[17:08] <charl> it's the only good music that ever came out of NL, traditional dutch music is HORRIBLY bad
[17:08] <charl> cringeworthy at best
[17:08] <Kilos> lol
[17:08] <smile> I don't think it is over here, charl :p
[17:08] <charl> ah interesting
[17:09] <charl> what do belgians listen to ?
[17:10] <smile> http://q-music.be/ or http://mnm.be/ or http://www.stubru.be/ ;)
[17:10] <charl> ok i need to listen to it
[17:10] <charl> btw, i've been to antwerpen again last week
[17:11] <smile> without notice? :o
[17:11] <charl> yeah it was impromptu
[17:11] <charl> it's been almost two years
[17:11] <charl> but i ate really good waffles
[17:11]  * smile is jealous now
[17:11] <charl> i also went to the waffle factory and had a three cheeses waffle
[17:11] <smile> which factory? :p
[17:11] <charl> lemme get the link
[17:12] <charl> http://www.wafflefactory.com/EN/produit/1/The-LunchWAF
[17:13] <charl> i had the "3 fromages" i think
[17:14] <charl> there is a big church with a tall tower and it was right next to it
[17:14] <charl> brb
[17:16] <smile> nice, nice ;)
[17:24] <charl> back
[17:25] <charl> are you going to any conferences the coming season ? fosdem / 21c3 etc?
[17:27] <charl> *31c3 i mean
[17:31] <smile> charl: nope :p
[17:33] <charl> i really do want to go to fosdem
[17:33] <charl> i'm thinking of 31c3 too because it's close for me
[17:33] <charl> hamburg is about 2 hours on the train i think
[17:36] <charl> nah it's a bit longer i see, 3 hours
[17:45] <smile> brussels! :p
[17:46] <smile> when is fosdem :p
[17:46] <nlsthzn> watching a wedding being live streamed :p
[17:46] <nlsthzn> http://www.twitch.tv/lagtvmaximusblack
[17:46] <nlsthzn> :p
[18:24] <charl> smile: yeah it's close for you, it's february sometime
[18:24] <charl> i want to try and organise it with my work where more of us go
[18:24] <charl> it's a free event, train tickets are not that expensive
[18:24] <charl> it's just the issue of a hotel, unless we do a classic "bliksembezoek" and do it in a day
[18:24] <charl> leave early morning and come back on the train in the evening
[18:24] <smile> charl: I want to be at fosdem if I can, but I don't know yet
[18:24] <smile> february is a long time :p
[18:24] <charl> but then we can only do the one or the other day, not both probably
[18:25] <charl> ah 31 january and 1 february
[18:25] <charl> saturday and sunday
[18:32] <smile> Don't know yet about exams :p
[18:34] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[18:47] <smile> bye! :)