[00:14] <Churuya-san>   /quit
[00:14] <Churuya-san> woops
[04:19] <Churuya-san> Hibernate has an odd bug for me. This happened also in Debian, but an update fixed it. When I go into hibernate, everything works great. But once the computer has shut down, it immediately turns back on and leaves hibernate. Any help with this? I have no idea what could be causing it.
[05:58] <Churuya-san> So, I was having some problems with hibernate/suspend. As my computer would suspend or hibernate, it would immediately resume. I fixed this problem using acpitool. There's some device titled "PWRB" that needed to be disabled for the system to hibernate. At first I thought this was the power button, but when I disable it the power button still works to resume the computer. How can I permanently stop this
[05:58] <Churuya-san> thing from forcing the computer to resume?
[08:19] <knosys> Hey guys, when trying to install wine package from repositories, it advices me that nvidia-libopencl1-331 will be removed in order to install wine.
[08:20] <knosys> Nvidia its my graphic card chipset, im using the propietary drivers.. Will that have some negative consequence on my graphics driver?
[08:21] <Poisoned_Dragon> I didn't know there was opencl software for nvidia gpus.
[08:21] <Poisoned_Dragon> maybe wine can work under them
[08:21] <knosys> right... directx and open GL are most seen, right?
[08:22] <Poisoned_Dragon> Well, nvidia has cuda, as opposed to opencl. So, it just confused me.
[08:22] <Poisoned_Dragon> opencl is not a graphics instruction set. like opengl and directx.
[08:22] <knosys> ill just take the risk
[08:22] <knosys> yeah i already noticed
[08:23] <knosys> its a programming language
[08:23] <knosys> didnt know about that. sorry i got confused because of the similar name
[08:23] <knosys> with opengl
[08:24] <Poisoned_Dragon> Allows for parallel tasking on gpus. Best for repetitive instructions that hog cpu resources.
[11:03] <xubuntu-sam> Hey everyone. I'm having an issue that's preventing me from booting into my install unless I have the "nomodeset" parameter checked. Same issue present in other Ubuntu-based distros. Help please!
[11:04] <cfhowlett> xubuntu-sam, more details = better answers ...
[11:05] <xubuntu-sam> Boots into black screen with mouse cursor. I *can* access tty from Ctrl+Alt+F1. Issue seems similar to one around the web for lightdm with SSDs but none of the fixes have worked.
[11:05] <xubuntu-sam> nomodeset allows me in normally but that seems to mean my video card (drivers) don't work at all. (radeon / 2 79xx cards)
[11:08] <cfhowlett> xubuntu-sam, entirely possible that your card is under/not supported
[11:09] <xubuntu-sam> unsupported by what, the drivers? I've checked and support should be there. primary card is HD7970
[11:09] <bazhang> pretty sure they dropp ed it for that
[11:09] <cfhowlett> xubuntu-sam, as verified where?
[11:10] <xubuntu-sam> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver
[11:10] <bazhang> the R series 280/290x may still be supported though
[11:10] <xubuntu-sam> it's identical architecture to 280(x)
[11:10] <bazhang> but quite a bit older
[11:11] <xubuntu-sam> only around 2 years or so
[11:11] <bazhang> and the propietary is fglrx
[11:11] <xubuntu-sam> yes, which from what I can recall had the same issue when I last tried to get Linux to work a year ago
[11:11] <bazhang> they drop support pretty fast these days
[11:11] <cfhowlett> xubuntu-sam, supported but hardware is too old for unity ... that suggests you will have issues ...
[11:11] <xubuntu-sam> hardware too old for unity......?
[11:11] <cfhowlett> xubuntu-sam, wait, you're not running unity are you?
[11:11] <xubuntu-sam> no
[11:12] <xubuntu-sam> xubuntu standard
[11:13] <cfhowlett> xubuntu-sam, OK.  that page shows how to find error messages with terminal:  dmesg | egrep 'drm|radeon'
[11:13] <xubuntu-sam> tried that, from what I can recall it came back empty
[11:17] <xubuntu-sam> just to clear up confusion, this is the equivalent of my card. no way this can be outdated. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202114&cm_re=7970-_-14-202-114-_-Product
[11:19] <xubuntu-sam> (lower down on that linked page above: TAHITI/PITCAIRN/VERDE       Radeon HD 7000/"Southern Islands" series)
[11:21] <brainwash> it's not outdated or low end or whatever
[11:21] <brainwash> I would suggest that you install fglrx
[11:22] <xubuntu-sam> I can give that another go but that's what I tried last time and I think I ran into the same issue. I have a log I kept, I'll have a quick look at that
[11:22] <brainwash> the open source driver seems to cause some trouble with your hardware setup
[11:22] <cfhowlett> xubuntu-sam, nvidia seems to be the best choice for linux.
[11:23] <brainwash> right, you should take a closed look at the log files in /var/log
[11:23] <brainwash> closer look
[11:24] <xubuntu-sam> cfhowlett, yeah, but it's not so easy to dump two fairly expensive video cards like that :p but noted for future purchases. brainwash, I'm in Windows right now. going to reboot into Xubuntu with nomodeset and have a look and report back. back shortly.
[11:24] <cfhowlett> xubuntu-sam, record your terminal output!
[11:26] <xubuntu-sam> righty, I'm in Xubuntu now. what am I looking for?
[11:27] <cfhowlett> xubuntu-sam, run the analysis tools listed on the page you posted earlier.   save it all to a text file so you can paste all at once
[11:28] <xubuntu-sam> not much: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8499344/
[11:28] <xubuntu-sam> but this is with nomodeset
[11:29] <cfhowlett> xubuntu-sam, right.  now do the trouble shooting from that page
[11:30] <xubuntu-sam> which one? all else I see is just below to install mesa-utils and run LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo
[11:33] <brainwash> you should boot without nomodeset and check the logs
[11:34] <brainwash> otherwise it won't load the radeon driver
[11:34] <xubuntu-sam> okay, so boot without nomodeset, and check /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
[11:34] <brainwash> yes
[11:34] <xubuntu-sam> okay. I shall return. :)
[11:38] <xubuntu-sam> full log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8499389/
[11:39] <xubuntu-sam> hmm.. there are plenty of references to fglrx in there. is that normal?
[11:41] <cfhowlett> xubuntu-sam, my understanding from reading the page is that fglrx and the radeon drivers conflict.  bazhang suggested you fglrx IIRC
[11:42] <xubuntu-sam> when I used fglrx drivers on a fresh Ubuntu install last time I tried Linux I had a load of graphical corruption.. I'd much rather just try to remove all fglrx from this system and make it work with radeon
[11:42] <brainwash> did you install fglrx at some point?
[11:43] <xubuntu-sam> not on this install. I think it may have already been installed automatically, I can't remember
[11:43] <xubuntu-sam> but I certainly didn't manually install it
[11:44] <brainwash> does the file /etc/X11/xorg.conf exist?
[11:45] <brainwash> it should not by default
[11:45] <xubuntu-sam> nope, not seeing it
[11:45] <brainwash> but still, it's worth to give fglrx a try.. it's the official AMD driver after all
[11:46] <xubuntu-sam> this is what happened a few months ago when I last tried Linux. on that occasion I tried fglrx. http://www.reddit.com/r/linux4noobs/comments/27jupa/help_what_could_be_causing_this_xpost_rubuntu/
[11:47] <xubuntu-sam> you'd think it was hardware but these cards run flawlessly in Windows and have done for over a year through various driver installs
[11:48] <brainwash> you'll have to test different drivers and options
[11:48] <brainwash> maybe even get the latest fglrx driver package from AMD's website
[11:49] <xubuntu-sam> I can get fglrx or fglrx-updates from the settings driver panel, which should I test first?
[11:50] <brainwash> should not matter, the package is identical
[11:51] <brainwash> version  2:13.350.1-0ubuntu2
[11:51] <xubuntu-sam> okay, installing fglrx now. here goes..
[11:51] <brainwash> good luck :)
[11:55] <xubuntu-sam> back. after reboot it just kicked me straight into text mode.
[11:55] <xubuntu-sam> I'm in Windows now
[11:56] <xubuntu-sam> I really want to like Linux but jesus these drivers
[11:58] <brainwash> run "sudo start lightdm" to launch the display manager manually, check /var/log/Xorg.0.log again, also /var/log/lightdm/*
[11:58] <xubuntu-sam> tried that, it didn't recognise "lightdm".
[11:58] <brainwash> unknown service?
[11:58] <xubuntu-sam> something like that
[11:59] <brainwash> that's odd
[12:00] <xubuntu-sam> radeon or fglrx, something about Linux HATES my system
[12:00] <brainwash> this should only be the case, if you've removed the lightdm package
[12:00] <xubuntu-sam> there's something very specific doing it
[12:00] <xubuntu-sam> nope, didn't touch it. just installed fglrx from driver panel
[12:00] <knome> just to make sure, which xubuntu bersion are you trying to install?
[12:00] <knome> version too
[12:01] <xubuntu-sam> already installed. 14.04.1 LTS iirc
[12:01] <xubuntu-sam> similar issues with Ubuntu from 12 through 14
[12:01] <xubuntu-sam> and Mint
[12:01] <knome> well, mint is based on ubuntu so not much difference in the drivers
[12:02] <xubuntu-sam> yeah. I can't remember if Debian had the same issue
[12:02] <knome> it's likely if it's a driver issue
[12:02] <brainwash> maybe you should head over to #ubuntu then :)
[12:03] <xubuntu-sam> problem is that the way it presents itself in Ubuntu is even weirder
[12:04] <xubuntu-sam> full on screen corruption reminiscent of hardware trouble
[12:04] <brainwash> I suggest that you also test the current development release, 14.10
[12:05] <xubuntu-sam> Ubuntu or Xubuntu?
[12:05] <xubuntu-sam> I guess Ubuntu and then whatever works there will trickle down here right?
[12:05] <brainwash> yeah
[12:05] <knome> either, but if you've had less issues with xubuntu, then probably it
[12:05] <knome> but it really doesn't matter..
[12:06] <xubuntu-sam> I'll try Ubuntu 14.10 with #Ubuntu as there's probably more likely to be other users with same issue there too I guess. Sigh.. drivers. Seriously tempted to just sell these cards for a pittance and buy Nvidia right now! Anyway, cheers everyone for the help!
[12:07] <knome> np, and good luck
[12:46] <theringmaster> morning
[12:47] <theringmaster> I need some help
[12:52] <knome> theringmaster, just ask the question, and if somebody knows the answer, they'll most likely reply
[12:55] <theringmaster> I would like to be able to have knoppix, fedora, lubuntu, and xubuntu on same machine to test them before deciding on best one, knoppix did not see fedora, lubuntu did not see knoppix, and xubuntu saw lubuntu as ubuntu 13 but boots directly into xubuntu, am I able to use all 4 and if so how do I do this
[12:56] <cfhowlett> theringmaster, yes you can but you'll need to do some delicate operations.
[12:58] <cfhowlett> theringmaster, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MultiOSBoot
[12:58] <theringmaster> ok, have my pad and pen ready, ubuntu 13 and 14 did it pretty much automatically but I can neither use either one because it slowed my computer down real bad
[12:58] <theringmaster> ok thank you
[12:59] <knome> the other option is to run them as virtual machines
[13:00] <knome> install one to HD, run the rest under virtualbox
[13:01] <theringmaster> thought about that but wanted the ability to install additional packages and stuff
[13:04] <knome> you can do that under the virtual machines as well
[13:05] <theringmaster> but if I close out vm or shut the machine down do I lose info?
[13:06] <knome> no, virtual machines have virtual hard drives, so as long as you shut them down as you would shut down the system otherwise, data will be saved
[13:06] <knome> the only two major differences are:
[13:06] <knome> 1) virtual machines use additional resources (you practically have to run two systems of top of each other)
[13:06] <knome> 2) with virtual machines, you must always run one system to be able to get to the other systems
[13:07] <knome> but in a tryout environment, those are hardly a problem (unless you are really short on resources)
[13:10] <theringmaster> thanks, may be a plan b as my current machine is not that great and I'm waiting to get ram for a server I was given that I may use as a regular desktop
[14:50] <Satorisanja> Hallo. Bin ich hier richtig um die Frage zustellen wozu die Dateitypen erkennung mit magic numbers?
[14:51] <Satorisanja> Da kam gestern ein update rein.
[14:51] <cfhowlett> !de | Satorisanja
[16:21] <girafee> hello room. i upgraded to xubuntu 14.04. everything is good for me except one issue with panel. The window buttons are auto resizing and disappearing and i couldnt find a way to make it always on. please help.
[16:22] <girafee> *disappearing makes panel auto resize always.
[16:28] <qwebirc8233> Hello, Can someone help me to install bootchart2 on xubuntu, I would measure boot time
[16:30] <qwebirc8233> https://github.com/mmeeks/bootchart
[16:44] <bekks> !info bootchart
[16:44] <bekks> qwebirc8233: sudo apt-get install bootchart
[16:45] <brainwash> but that's not bootchart2
[16:46] <qwebirc8233> yes, that's not the latest
[16:46] <brainwash> you could grab the debian package and test it
[16:47] <brainwash> https://packages.debian.org/sid/bootchart2
[16:47] <qwebirc8233> Another question, how to uninstall an app installed from source
[16:47] <qwebirc8233> brainwash: thx
[16:47] <brainwash> but it may not work properly or at all
[16:51] <bekks> qwebirc8233: Thank god if the author provides a "make uninstall" rule. Or just build a .deb package yourself which can be uninstalled later.
[16:54] <qwebirc8233> I don't see uninstall in makefile
[16:54] <qwebirc8233> I will try to remove it manually
[17:05] <xubuntu39w> hi there
[17:05] <xubuntu39w> I have a problem updating xubuntu ppc
[17:05] <xubuntu39w> on a iBook G4
[17:06] <xubuntu39w> the update manager doesn't seem to have the right ports
[17:06] <xubuntu39w> anybody can help?
[17:11] <koegs> xubuntu39w: which version do you have and what does "sudo apt-get update" say?
[17:11] <xubuntu39w> hey thanks
[17:11] <xubuntu39w> I don't know the version
[17:11] <xubuntu39w> it's old
[17:12] <xubuntu39w> carries xfce 4.6.2
[17:13] <xubuntu39w> sudo apt-get updates says it failed to find ports
[17:13] <xubuntu39w> I guess the problem is the port list is too old
[17:13] <xubuntu39w> but don't know how to find and update xubuntu ppc port list
[17:13] <koegs> please nopaste the output of "lsb_release -a" and "sudo apt-get update"
[17:14] <koegs> http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[17:15] <xubuntu39w> done with lsb_release
[17:17] <xubuntu39w> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8501440/
[17:18] <xubuntu39w> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8501456/
[17:18] <xubuntu39w> done both
[17:18] <holstein> !ppc
[17:18] <koegs> xubuntu39w: ubuntu maverick is no longer supported, you should think about reinstalling the latest version of ubuntu (14.04)
[17:19] <xangua> you have been out of support for more than two years xubuntu39w
[17:19] <xubuntu39w> no way to update, I guess
[17:19] <holstein> xubuntu39w: you can always build and manually support whatever you like, but the repos (ports) officially provided to you will not be supported any longer
[17:19] <holstein> xubuntu39w: i would do a fresh install..
[17:20] <xubuntu39w> I'd reinstall, but cant remember how did I boot from usb last time
[17:20] <xubuntu39w> it's a icoobk g4 and i know it can be done, I just can't remember how
[17:20] <xubuntu39w> i've looked around but solutions I found didnt work
[17:21] <holstein> xubuntu39w: just remember, nothing about xubuntu or ubuntu or linux is preventing you from booting installation media. you'll just have to work with the confines of the specific hardware.. i would start by looking into the PPC community, and just get the latest iso and try booting it
[17:21] <xubuntu39w> ok
[17:22] <xubuntu39w> I need to boot from usb
[17:22] <holstein> xubuntu39w: i use plop in "legacy" intel hardware, to boot a CD that will then let me boot USB on hardware that doesnt support USB boot
[17:22] <xubuntu39w> if I can find how, it'll be solvesd
[17:22] <xubuntu39w> thank you all
[17:22] <xubuntu39w> for the help
[17:22] <holstein> xubuntu39w: if the machine doesnt support USB booting, then, you will not meet those needs
[17:22] <holstein> xubuntu39w: you will do best to look for a workaround.. or, just use a CD/DVD for the installation
[17:23] <xubuntu39w> excellent
[17:23] <xubuntu39w> thanks again you all
[17:23] <holstein> xubuntu39w: sure.. good luck to you
[18:47] <yenic> does xubuntu support in-place upgrades for LTS releases?
[18:48] <holstein> yenic: same as ubuntu.. you *can* upgrade from LTS to LTS.. or version to version.. but, a fresh install is always suggested, and usually much easier
[18:49] <yenic> holstein: thanks, just thinking about what distro to recommend to less technical family. if they cant just run a command to do the upgrade, then i'll still have to do it
[18:50] <holstein> id say, a "less technical" individual will not be doing distro upgrades, or installs
[18:51] <holstein> yenic: you doing it would be an easy way to ensure a more successful outcome
[18:51] <yenic> ive never done an inplace upgrade myself, so wasnt sure if it was a seamless transaction or not
[18:51] <holstein> it takes a long time.. and "seemless" can depend on many things that linux cannot account for.. such as the hardware supporting linux or not
[18:59] <xubuntu82w> hi,
[18:59] <xubuntu82w> I have got a problem
[18:59] <xubuntu82w> with xubuntu
[19:00] <holstein> !ask
[19:01] <xubuntu82w> Libre office doesn't work in xubuntu dueing to a problem of dependance, where i have to go?
[19:02] <holstein> xubuntu82w: the one in the repo should work find.. "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install libreoffice" in a terminal, and paste errors..
[19:02] <holstein> !paste
[19:02] <holstein> work fine*
[19:04] <xubuntu82w> I seguenti pacchetti hanno dipendenze non soddisfatte:  libreoffice-core : Dipende: libreoffice-common (> 1:4.2.6.3) ma non sta per essere installato  libreoffice-java-common : Dipende: libreoffice-common ma non sta per essere installato  libreoffice-l10n-it : Dipende: libreoffice-common ma non sta per essere installato E: Dipendenze non soddisfatte. Provare "apt-get -f install" senza pacchetti (o specificare una soluzione).
[19:05] <xubuntu82w> this is the error that appear after having copy your code holstein
[19:05] <holstein> xubuntu82w: did you try what the message suggests?
[19:06] <holstein> xubuntu82w: i would try "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade".. then, run the other commands
[19:06] <xubuntu82w> no,because i don't know where i have to go to modify this code...how can i manage it?
[19:06] <holstein> xubuntu82w: you shouldnt need to.. but, the source is *all* available for everything, if you wanted to, or needed to
[19:07] <holstein> xubuntu82w: i dont think you do, however. i think you either have PPA"s added, or are not up to date.. or you have other packabge breakages causing issues.. try the command suggested in the error message, and then try the update i suggest..
[19:28] <Yoosi> can i hide the firefox title bar in xubuntu?
[19:28] <Yoosi> it takes up a ridiculous amount of space...
[19:29] <Yoosi> http://i.imgur.com/aw7ih4I.png
[19:44] <holstein> Yoosi: full screen not an option? used to be plugins for that..
[19:45] <Yoosi> fullscreen is when it's practical. it's mostly an issue when i want multiple windows open at once
[19:52] <xubuntu90w> anyone know how to install xubuntu to an IBM xseries 225 type 8647?
[19:58] <holstein> !install
[19:58] <holstein> xubuntu90w: try just booting the installation media for the type machine you have
[20:52] <odsent> I like WoW, Halo, LotR, Lotro, Pokemon, Runescape, Star Wars, Minecraft, CoD, GTA, Skyrim, Garry's Mod, Ultima Online, Starcraft, GW2, League of Legends, Heroes of Newerth, Diablo III, Battlefield, MapleStory, and Flyff. I also know C++, C#, assembly, python, visual basic, and java. I type on QWERTY, Dvorak, and Colemak, plus my computer has Windows, Ubuntu, and BSD on an AMD phenom 3.4 GHZ processor with 5 TB. I have an XBOX 360, Wi
[20:53] <mall> Hello Xubuntu!
[20:53] <knome> hello mall
[20:54] <mall> I was wondering if it is possible for alt+tab to show all applications and not only those who are open within the desktop I am at the moment
[20:56] <mall> a quick search did not show anything on this particular subject
[20:58] <mall> and I can't find the preferences for it, maybe a keybindings file around ? any idea ? thank you
[21:03] <mall> no....one... knowsss
[21:14] <brainwash> mall: take a look at settings manager > window manager tweaks (first tab)
[21:22] <mall> thank you brainwash, I can't seem to find it, I am on spanish translation
[21:23] <mall> in "gestor de ventanas" (Window manager) I do not have that tab with anything as tweaks
[21:23] <mall> id translate tabs as "style " "keyboard " "focus" "advanced"
[21:24] <mall> there is also "window manager settings" which has a magic wand as its icon, but I can't seem to find it there neither
[21:25] <brainwash> no, don't open "window manager", open "window manager tweaks" instead
[21:25] <brainwash> see http://docs.xfce.org/_media/xfce/xfwm4/xfwm4-tweaks-cycling.png
[21:26] <mall> got it! thank you very much
[21:26] <brainwash> found it?
[21:27] <brainwash> great :)
[21:28] <mall> and now for something a bit off topic, where can I get a replacement key for my laptop with something linuxy as the xfce mic instead of the windows logo ? ;D
[21:28] <mall> xfce mice
[21:29] <xangua> there is a tux super key sticker here https://www.thinkpenguin.com/catalog/books-cds-case-badges
[21:30] <mall> great. thank you
[21:30] <knome> mall, http://www.unixstickers.com/stickers/linux-keyboard-stickers/xubuntu-circle-keyboard-sticker-cover-windows-flag
[21:30] <knome> mall, and/or http://www.unixstickers.com/stickers/linux-keyboard-stickers/xubuntu-square-keyboard-sticker-cover-windows-flag
[21:31] <knome> "officially" suggested too, we get some free stickers when people buy the xubuntu ones, so you're helping while you get nice stickers.
[21:33] <mall> who gets free stickers ?
[21:33] <knome> the xubuntu project.
[21:34] <mall> oh really
[21:34] <knome> we haven't planned how to use them yet, but they will be basically given away back to the community.
[21:34] <mall> great!
[21:34] <mall> I am in Spain, let's see if I can buy also
[21:34] <knome> like via some contests or so
[21:34] <knome> you definitely can
[21:34] <mall> sounds good to me
[21:39] <mall> I really like xubuntu
[21:40] <mall> I have xubuntu, crunchbang debian and Kali linux in this eeepc
[21:40] <mall> asus
[21:41] <mall> and Crunchbang is great, with openbox, clean and light; but xubunt solves quite a few more needs in advance and I find going back to it for non specialized stuff, even coding
[21:41] <mall> but I may be going off topic
[21:41] <mall> jeje
[21:43] <mall> the community has also been very helpful to me, particularly in this channel, big thank you! I even installed it already in my friend and my parent's computer. My friend is new to linux, and we just finished wiping her windowsxp partition, due to her switching 100% to xubuntu. She also wants a sticker ;)
[21:43] <knome> for offtopic/general chatter, #xubuntu-offtopic
[21:44] <mall> ok thank you
[22:45] <Churuya-san> Recommend me books on Linux, UNIX, systems administration, etc.
[22:46] <xangua> try google.com or amazon bookstore
[22:47] <sdollins> I liked the RHCE prep book
[22:47] <sdollins> but obviously that's not ubuntu targetted
[23:02] <Church> i don't know if one should exactly learn something ubuntu specific
[23:03] <Church> corporate server niche is mostly ruled by rhel/centos/oel and alike clones. that's what one may earn from.
[23:05] <Church> ubuntu does well on desktop .. but it's not common to work/earn with linux desktops. generic linux lore should do.
[23:25] <knosys> Hey guys. Im having a weird problem with emacs application. When i start it without root access , i cant view files, it launches a blank document. Only if i run it with root privileges i can actually see file contents. No matter what file it is, and even in my home directory. What could be causing that?