[06:16] <soee> good morning
[06:40] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:29] <SourBlue> Hei guys, do you know a way to change the Terminal Size from the command line (more or less set and unset fullscreen mode)
[08:36] <lordievader> SourBlue: From konsole? Guess you should look at qdbus.
[08:59] <Riddell> hola chicos
[09:06] <SourBlue> ellos mios
[09:45] <Riddell> SourBlue: did you ever get a chance to look at kdevelop-py3 ?
[09:45] <Riddell> or whatever it's called
[09:46] <SourBlue> Nope
[09:46] <SourBlue> should I ?
[09:46] <Riddell> SourBlue: you were talking about packaging it
[09:47] <Riddell> there's no desperate rush but it would be nice
[09:48] <SourBlue> Yeah, it looked like a "normal" Package but i never took a close look at that
[09:48] <SourBlue> I don't really have time (at the moment) to look into something new like that I'm learning Apache, FTP etc atm
[10:48] <sgclark> morning
[10:49] <Riddell> buenos dias sgclark 
[10:49] <lordievader> Good afternoon
[10:49] <Riddell> sgclark: did you have a nice weekend?
[10:51] <sgclark> Riddell: well, update broke my system :) but all good now. Filed : Bug 1377321
[10:51] <Riddell> sgclark: this seems to happen surpringly often with you!
[10:51] <sgclark> Riddell: almost done with that massive copyright file
[10:52] <sgclark> Riddell: yeah I know :( 90% of the time it is my Nvidia card : /
[10:52] <Riddell> sgclark: oh kdeplasma-addons? hugs
[10:52] <sgclark> I hate that nouveau driver though
[10:53] <sgclark> Riddell: yeah, will be done here in a few. Is that a new release I see going through ci?
[10:54] <apachelogger>         modified:   debian/kio.install
[10:54] <apachelogger> people
[10:54] <Riddell> tsdgeos: you had an issue with ntrack in the archive?
[10:54] <apachelogger> you really really need to remember wrap-and-sort
[10:55] <tsdgeos> Riddell: i have a crash in konqueror when going to kde bugzilla and started from kinit, i remember i've had before and i *think* it got fixed by rebuilding something ntrack related
[10:56] <tsdgeos> but i may be misremembering (i'm sure i had it before and autofixed itself, don't remember what rebuild was needed)
[10:56] <Riddell> apachelogger: you're a fan of wrap-and-sort now?
[10:56] <apachelogger> no
[10:57] <apachelogger> if you want to use it then use it
[10:57] <Riddell> sgclark: KF5 5.3 initial upload to next-staging
[10:57] <apachelogger> if you want to use it but don't use it it just creates more pointless diff across stuff
[10:58] <apachelogger> therefore you either must use it always or you must not use it never, using it sometimes isn't going to fly and defeats the purpose to begin with
[11:00] <Riddell> right enough
[11:05] <sgclark> Riddell: ok so there is a COPYING GPL-3 file that copyright helper picks up, but the files say GPL-2+, which do I go with?
[11:06] <Riddell> let me look
[11:07] <sgclark> Riddell: applets folder is the issue
[11:08] <Riddell> sgclark: which path?
[11:08] <Riddell> oh I see
[11:08] <sgclark> Riddell: many of them
[11:09] <sgclark> Riddell: and actually there are a variety of licenses in files, but a COPYING with GPL3
[11:10] <Riddell> qalculate and leavenote have GPL3 but the files are GPL2
[11:10] <Riddell> sgclark: should be fixed upstream by removing the unnecessary COPYING files
[11:10] <Riddell> sgclark: do you have a kde git account?
[11:10] <sgclark> Riddell: I do
[11:11] <Riddell> sgclark: I suggest just just removing all the COPYING files in applets/ in Plasma/5.1 branch and merging that into master
[11:12] <sgclark> ok
[11:17] <Riddell> let me know if you need a hand
[11:18] <sgclark> Riddell: oh, did you catch the i18n php tag problem in your announcement? 
[11:18] <sgclark> I was gpoing to fix it for you but did not get web permissions until last night
[11:18] <Riddell> sgclark: for plasma beta? I saw there was one paragraph which wasn't being shown
[11:18] <Riddell> ooh you have web permission? elite!
[11:18] <sgclark> yeah :)
[11:18] <Riddell> you can help with release announcements now :)
[11:19] <sgclark> yep
[11:20] <Riddell> when d_ed appears I'll work out what he started for the final announcement for plasma 5.1
[11:20] <sgclark> Riddell: so I don't have to review request removing these?
[11:20] <Riddell> sgclark: nah, they're obviously unnecessary and confusing
[11:20]  * sgclark is scared
[11:20] <sgclark> ok lol
[11:21] <shadeslayer> I want to light fireworks
[11:21] <shadeslayer> I don't know why
[11:22] <shadeslayer> but I feel like lighting some fireworks
[11:25] <sgclark> Riddell: pushed
[11:27] <Riddell> sgclark: you can also remove the other COPYING files if you want, they're unnecessary
[11:28] <sgclark> ok
[11:28]  * Riddell sends shadeslayer to http://www.openfiremap.org/?zoom=13&lat=41.37907&lon=2.17644&layers=B0000TF first
[11:28] <sgclark> lol
[11:29] <shadeslayer> fire hydrants?
[12:11] <Antisound> hi everyone
[12:11] <Antisound> got a problem with 5.0.95
[12:11] <Antisound> nearly after every reboot the desktopbackground disapears and i can't open the desktop preferences?!
[12:12] <Antisound> is that a known bug?
[12:34] <mcstr> hey guys i have a problem with package dependencies since today... project-neon5-kio-dbg depends on project-neon5-kio and if i try apt-get -f install i get broken pipe.... 
[12:34] <mcstr> asked in the project-neon channel but no answer
[12:38] <Antisound> mcstr: i think here's few traffic too 2day ;-)
[12:39] <mcstr> antisound hmmm ok ... you 've got any idea about this?
[12:39] <Antisound> mcstr: nope sry
[12:39] <Antisound> i'm not working with project neon
[12:39] <Antisound> i'm on 14.10 plasma5 iso
[12:39] <mcstr> afair last time i had something like that it fixed itself after few days
[12:39] <Antisound> mcstr: maybe wait somemore days... and they're going to fix that package?
[12:39] <mcstr> ktrash5 is the culprit... 
[12:40] <mcstr> yeah that's what i thought too antisound
[12:40] <sgclark> I don't use or have anything to do with projet neon sorry :(
[12:40] <mcstr> tried to clean the cache no luck 
[12:40] <Antisound> then the only thing you could have is patience ;-)
[12:41] <mcstr> indeed :)
[12:41] <mcstr> not my strenght though :P
[12:41] <Antisound> mcstr: i knew what you mean,...
[12:42] <Antisound> it's like wait for christmas.. for me it's waiting for plasma 5.1 final :D
[12:42] <mcstr> hehe 
[12:43] <mcstr> when is the release supposed to be?
[12:43] <Antisound> 14th of october
[12:43] <Antisound> supposed to be ;-)
[12:43] <Riddell> Antisound: it disappears after you set it?
[12:43] <Antisound> Riddell: yes sir
[12:43] <mcstr> a week from now on
[12:43] <Antisound> Riddell: and the screen is flickering too
[12:43] <mcstr> probably will get it also quite fast as i am using the kubuntu ppa daily packages
[12:43] <Antisound> Riddell: i think it's kwin but i'm not sure
[12:44] <Antisound> Riddell: if i only log off and on again it's alright again
[12:44] <Riddell> flickering might be, the background will be plasma
[12:45] <Antisound> mcstr: 4 sure u will get
[12:45] <Antisound> Riddell: for me it feels like kwin but i can be wrong 
[12:46] <Antisound> Riddell: the strangest thing of all is i can't open the desktop settings anymore... either via mouse right click nor on the "sandwich" button too
[12:47] <Riddell> wibble
[12:47] <Riddell> well I've been stuck on the ubiquity -> sddm transition issue
[12:47] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[12:47] <Riddell> but I'm getting nowhere, there's no log output and it's hard to do anything without that
[12:47] <Antisound> hi BluesKaj
[12:47] <Antisound> Riddell: same here ;-)
[12:47] <Riddell> so I might just give up and not have ubiquity display at the start
[12:47] <BluesKaj> hi Antisound
[12:47] <Antisound> don't know how to log 
[12:47] <Riddell> and then I can care about other bits
[12:47] <sgclark> hiyas
[12:49] <Antisound> mcstr: why don't you use the 14.10 plasma5 image?
[12:50] <sgclark> klipper seems broken...
[12:51] <mcstr> antisound because on my working pc i use usually kde 4 kubuntu and have added the ppas for project neon
[12:51] <Antisound> sgclark: for me it's working
[12:51] <mcstr> antisound as much as i think plasma next is awesomely promising not yet there for daily work
[12:51] <Antisound> mcstr: you think?
[12:52] <mcstr> antisound yep, akonadi yet not working in kmail for example
[12:52] <mcstr> also still a few crashes 
[12:52] <sgclark> Antisound: you can copy and paste from the panel entries?
[12:53] <mcstr> but i love the little mem consumption and general performance
[12:53] <Antisound> sgclark: let me check
[12:53] <Antisound> sgclark: yup seems working
[12:54] <sgclark> hrmm ok
[13:18] <Riddell> sgclark or anyone let me know if you start on KF5, at the moment I'm being lazy and not updating the notes page
[13:19] <sgclark> I am still working on this insane copyright :(
[13:19] <sgclark> but will do
[13:22] <Antisound> Riddell: i am in kf5 or do you mean k5 5.3?
[13:22] <Riddell> Antisound: I mean doing packaging fixes (which you're very welcome to do)
[13:23] <Antisound> Riddell: do you mean... like this? http://packaging.ubuntu.com/de/html/fixing-a-bug.html
[13:24] <Riddell> Antisound: something like that
[13:24] <Antisound> Riddell: what in detail do you mean?
[13:24] <Riddell> Antisound: we have KF5 5.3 packages in the next-staging PPA and this page shows if they built and if it can see any problems http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/kf5-status/build_status_5.3.0_utopic.html
[13:25] <Riddell> and I'm going through fixing any problems it highlights
[13:25] <Riddell> if you want to help I'd happily show you how :)
[13:25] <Antisound> Riddell: show me how!
[13:25] <Antisound> i want to learn ;-)
[13:26] <Riddell> Antisound: ok I'll set up a cloud server and we can do some together, do you have a launchpad page with your ssh key?
[13:26] <Antisound> errr, no sry
[13:26] <Antisound> not yet
[13:26] <Antisound> or wait
[13:26] <Antisound> i think i have
[13:27] <Antisound> I HAVE! ;-)
[13:27] <Antisound> hmm where do i get my ssh key?
[13:28] <Antisound> wait wait,... 
[13:31] <Antisound> Riddell: so everythings ready ;-)
[13:31] <Antisound> got an ssh key 
[13:32] <Riddell> Antisound: utl?
[13:32] <Riddell> Antisound: url?
[13:33] <Antisound> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/~antisound is that the right one?
[13:33] <Antisound> https://launchpad.net/~antisound/+sshkeys
[13:33] <Antisound> or this?
[13:33] <Riddell> yep thanks
[13:33] <Mirv> mitya57: do you see anything risky in the qtchooser whitelisting patch regarding KDE? apachelogger mentioned those plasma startup issues, but my understanding is that the whitelist approach doesn't increase any risk of problems, only decreases. if the correct version is installed, it will be used.
[13:33] <Riddell> Antisound: it'll be a couple of mins to start up
[13:33] <Antisound> ok
[13:33] <Antisound> no stress ;-)
[13:34]  * Antisound is pretty exicted to learn something new ;-)
[13:35] <jmux> Riddell: just got your LP update for the "insights" bug and I just had a talk with our Mgmt. Peter told me he'll contact Canonical this week. Let's see what they'll propose.
[13:35] <Riddell> ooh great, thanks jmux :)
[13:36]  * jmux doubts they'll replace Ubuntu with Kubuntu, but probably add a paragraph...
[13:36] <Riddell> well that's fine, we're happy to be ubuntu as well
[13:36] <Antisound> Riddell: interposed question... are you any other guys in here for canoncial?
[13:36] <Antisound> working..
[13:37] <mitya57> Mirv: I see no problem at all
[13:37] <mitya57> (even more, what I initially suggested was to enable fallback for *everything*)
[13:37] <Riddell> Antisound: nobody kubuntu works for canonoical but some nice people from involved in canonical do qt5 (as chatting just now)
[13:37] <Antisound> ok
[13:38] <mitya57> Mirv: Good news is that svuorela will talk to thiago about that at Qt Developer Days
[13:38] <Mirv> mitya57: yes, I think so too. apachelogger is right in that there are issues (that have been workarounded in eg. kde4 packages by directly calling Qt4's qdbus), but that patch does not make them worse
[13:39] <Mirv> mitya57: Unity8 desktop preview would need it for 14.10, would it be ok for you if I upload it now?
[13:39] <mitya57> Please go ahead!
[13:40] <Mirv> thanks!
[13:40] <Antisound> Riddell: maybe an indiscreet question... but how are you earn money if you re working for free?
[13:41] <ScottK> That's not what he said.
[13:41]  * sgclark makes nothing
[13:41] <Riddell> Antisound: ssh ubuntu@ec2-54-235-32-131.compute-1.amazonaws.com  then run byobu
[13:42] <mcstr> apachelogger shadeslayer from project-neon told me that project neon is currently unmaintained and you know more about it?
[13:42] <Antisound> ScottK: you talked to me?
[13:42] <Riddell> Antisound: I'm lucky enough to get sponsored by Blue Systems, folks like jmux are clever enough to get their city council to pay to install kubuntu, many people work for the satisfaction of making a great product they want to use and to gain skills in life
[13:43] <Antisound> Riddell: wow!
[13:43] <Antisound> thats an answer ;-)
[13:43] <Antisound> i'M logged in ;-)
[13:43] <Riddell> Antisound: welcome in to this shared ec2 (amazon cloud) server
[13:44] <Antisound> yeah, thx ;-)
[13:44] <Riddell> Antisound: lets do an easy fix
[13:44] <Antisound> ok show me how
[13:44] <Riddell> Antisound: on http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/kf5-status/build_status_5.3.0_utopic.html kdnssd-kf5 is yellow
[13:45] <Antisound> i c 
[13:45] <Riddell> Antisound: if you click show it highlights the issue invalid-short-name-in-dep5-copyright
[13:45] <Antisound> yep
[13:45] <Riddell> Antisound: this is given by a tool called lintian which just examines .deb packages and issues common warnings and errors
[13:46] <Antisound> ah ok
[13:46] <Riddell> Antisound: you can google invalid-short-name-in-dep5-copyright and get a better explanation but it's sayins that BSD should be changed to be more specific as a label
[13:46] <Antisound> Riddell: alright
[13:46] <Riddell> Antisound: this is KDE Frameworks and we've just changed to storing our packaging in debian git for that
[13:47] <Riddell> Antisound: so make a new directory for kdnssd
[13:47] <Riddell> on the ec2 server
[13:47] <Antisound> ok
[13:47] <Antisound> show me how
[13:47] <Riddell> Antisound: you know command line?
[13:47] <Antisound> a bit of course ;-)
[13:48] <Antisound> standard commands
[13:48] <Riddell> Antisound: better if you do it, means you'll remember it more
[13:48] <Antisound> ok
[13:48] <Riddell> just mkdir for it
[13:48] <Riddell> give it a name too
[13:48] <Antisound> ok
[13:48] <Riddell> kdnssd is a good name
[13:48] <Antisound> hehe
[13:49] <Riddell> and cd into it
[13:49] <Riddell> Antisound: get the packaging with  git clone debian:frameworks/kdnssd
[13:49] <Antisound> alright
[13:50] <Riddell> Antisound: you can see from the .gitconfig I checked earier on that console that debian: is a git shortcut for git://git.debian.org/pkg-kde/
[13:50] <Riddell> Antisound: cd into that 
[13:50] <Riddell> and get the right branch  git checkout kubuntu_utopic_next
[13:50] <Antisound> wait slowly
[13:51] <Riddell> you were right with the cd you had
[13:51] <Antisound> so?
[13:51] <Riddell> then run that checkout 
[13:52] <apachelogger> Mirv, mitya57: FWIW from what I remember the patch is a substantial step up in things not falling over, as far as kde bits are concerned startkde currently is patched in both versions of plasma so landing the patch should at least not break login ;)
[13:52] <Antisound> how to?
[13:52] <Riddell> Antisound:  git checkout kubuntu_utopic_next
[13:52] <Riddell> Antisound: great
[13:52] <Antisound> thx ;)
[13:53] <Riddell> Antisound: this debian/ directory is our packaging, you can look at each of the files if you want to see what they all do
[13:53] <Antisound> ok
[13:53] <Riddell> Antisound: infact, look at each file and ask me to explain those you don't understand
[13:54] <Antisound> what you mean, with look at them?
[13:54] <Riddell> Antisound: you can use   less  to look at the contents of each file
[13:54] <Antisound> ok
[13:54] <Antisound> changelog is clear
[13:54] <Antisound> ;-)
[13:54] <Riddell> q to quit
[13:54]  * Antisound know's that ;-)
[13:54] <Antisound> hehe
[13:55] <Antisound> whats compat?
[13:55] <Riddell> it's the compatibility version of the debhelper scripts, much of the work of building the package is done by debhelper scripts
[13:55] <Riddell> and they change behaviour occationally
[13:55] <Antisound> ok
[13:55] <Riddell> so the compat just sets which version they act as
[13:55] <Antisound> and control?
[13:55] <Riddell> 9 is the latest
[13:56] <Riddell> control is metadata for the package, it describes the source package in the top paragraph and the binary packages we want to build in the following paragraphs
[13:56] <Antisound> ok
[13:56] <Antisound> copyright seems to be clear ;-)
[13:58] <Antisound> lol
[13:58] <Antisound> i think the rest is clear
[13:58] <Riddell> great
[13:58] <Riddell> lets make this fix then
[13:58] <Antisound> yep
[13:58] <Antisound> ok
[13:58] <Riddell> invalid-short-name-in-dep5-copyright bsd (paragraph at line 30)
[13:59] <Riddell> Antisound: do you have a preferred console text editor? emacs? nano?
[13:59] <Antisound> not really
[13:59] <Antisound> vi ?
[13:59] <Antisound> ;-)
[13:59] <Antisound> not working often with console text editor
[13:59] <Riddell> let's use nano to keep it simple
[13:59] <Antisound> ok
[13:59] <Riddell> Antisound: open copyright in nano
[14:00] <Antisound> where does the line stand?
[14:00] <Riddell> it'll be complaining about the line which says "License: BSD"
[14:00] <Antisound> ok
[14:00] <Riddell> I googled that lintian error and it pointed me to https://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/copyright-format/1.0/
[14:00] <Riddell> which says to use BSD-2-clause or BSD-3-clause
[14:01] <Antisound> ok
[14:01] <Riddell> so scroll down to see which one we want to use
[14:02] <Antisound> http://spdx.org/licenses/BSD-3-Clause ?
[14:02] <Riddell> Antisound: yeah looks like that's the one
[14:02] <Riddell> so replace BSD with BSD-3-clause
[14:02] <Mirv> apachelogger: yes, that's what I thought too.
[14:02] <Riddell> Antisound: lovely, control x to save and quit
[14:03] <Riddell> Antisound: ever used git before?
[14:03] <Antisound> nope
[14:03] <Antisound> sorry ;-)
[14:04] <Riddell> Antisound:   git diff  to show changes
[14:04] <Antisound> ahhhh
[14:04] <Antisound> nice
[14:04] <Riddell> Antisound: and if you're happy with them  git commit -a -m "fix invalid-short-name-in-dep5-copyright"
[14:04] <Riddell> will save it to the local repository
[14:04] <Antisound> yes seems good ;-)
[14:05] <Antisound> oooookaaaayy
[14:05] <Riddell> Antisound: and you can run  git push  to send it to debian (except it won't work because my ssh key isn't on this server to stop you stealing my identity)
[14:05] <Antisound> hehehe
[14:06] <Antisound> Riddell: you don't trust me , hmm ;-)
[14:06] <Antisound> just kidding
[14:06] <Riddell> Antisound: or maybe I don't trust amazon :)
[14:06] <Antisound> maybe more ;-)
[14:06] <Antisound> ok
[14:06] <Antisound> but it would have worked out
[14:06] <Antisound> ;-)
[14:06] <Riddell> Antisound:   apt install git-buildpackage
[14:07] <Antisound> what have i done?
[14:08] <Riddell> that installs a tool called git-buildpackage
[14:08] <Antisound> ok
[14:08] <Antisound> i already thought..
[14:08] <Antisound> but what can i do with that tool ;-)
[14:08] <Riddell> but maybe it's easier to avoid too many fancy tools for now
[14:08] <Antisound> hehe
[14:08] <Riddell> Antisound: in the directory above run  uscan
[14:09] <Riddell> ooh interesting
[14:10] <Riddell> Antisound: I see, uscan uses that debian/watch file to try to download the upstream source tar from kde
[14:10] <Antisound> ok
[14:10] <Riddell> Antisound: but this isn't released software so it's not publically available on download.kde.org yet, you need to have a login to their server to get it
[14:10] <Riddell> Antisound: so I've uploaded that manually
[14:11] <Riddell> Antisound: uncompress that tar with  tar xf filename
[14:11] <Antisound> k
[14:11] <Riddell> Antisound: and copy the debian/ packaging direcory into kdnssd-5.3.0/
[14:12] <Antisound> Riddell: the directory is the kdnssd folder or?
[14:12] <Riddell> yep
[14:12] <Antisound> copy or move?
[14:12] <Riddell> (we're going to build the package to make sure it still builds, even though it's a trivial change and I might not bother normally)
[14:12] <Riddell> Antisound: copy
[14:12] <Antisound> errr i hate coping in console
[14:12] <Antisound> :D
[14:13] <Riddell> nearly: cp -r kdnssd/debian kdnssd-5.3.0/
[14:13] <Riddell> should do it
[14:14] <Antisound> -r recusive?
[14:14] <Riddell> yep
[14:14] <Riddell> Antisound: inside kdnssd-5.3.0/ build the package by running  debuild
[14:15] <Riddell> Antisound: apt install those missing build depends
[14:16] <Riddell> Antisound: learn to use copy and paste :)
[14:16] <Riddell> select the package names with your name and middle click to paste
[14:16] <Antisound> better :P ;)
[14:16] <Antisound> hehe
[14:17] <Antisound> holy moly.. .this is fast
[14:17] <Riddell> amazon has a local mirror for ubuntu packages
[14:17] <Antisound> ok
[14:17] <Riddell> and I think this is a server with a solid state hard disk
[14:17] <Antisound> i think so to
[14:17] <Antisound> o
[14:17] <Riddell> try to build it again
[14:18] <Riddell> hmm
[14:19] <Riddell> that package is installed but an older version, the new version should be in the next-staging PPA
[14:19] <Riddell> ok it found it after an apt update
[14:19] <Riddell> Antisound: debuild it!
[14:20] <Antisound> hehehe
[14:20] <Riddell> lovely
[14:20] <Riddell> it's running the debhelper scripts
[14:20] <Riddell> which will compile it
[14:20] <Riddell> then install the files locally
[14:20] <Antisound> ok
[14:20] <Riddell> then put them into .debs
[14:20] <Antisound> how to i put them into debs?
[14:21] <Riddell> it'll do that
[14:21] <Antisound> ok
[14:21] <Antisound> nice
[14:21] <Antisound> so debuild is the tool which makes of a source a .deb?
[14:22] <Riddell> yep
[14:22] <Riddell> lovely, it's all done
[14:22] <Riddell> if you look in the directory above you should see the .debs
[14:24] <Antisound> nice one
[14:24] <Riddell> yep all these
[14:24] <Riddell> you can use lesspipe foo.deb to see the contents of a .deb
[14:24] <Riddell> and   lintian foo.deb  will hopefully no longer give the warning we were fixing
[14:25] <Riddell> Antisound: again, copy and paste is your friend
[14:25] <Riddell> double click on a filename to select, middle click o paste
[14:26] <Antisound> but which of these were the file with the error?
[14:26] <Riddell> Antisound: they all share the copyright file so all of them would give the error before
[14:26] <Antisound> ok
[14:27] <Riddell> you can also run lintian on the .dsc which will look at the source
[14:27] <Antisound> nothings changed?
[14:27] <Riddell> lovely, no errors
[14:27] <Antisound> ok
[14:27] <Riddell> silence is golden when it comes to lintian (or most things in unix)
[14:28] <Antisound> hehe ok
[14:28] <Riddell> Antisound: ok lets builds the source package and upload to the PPA
[14:28] <Antisound> ok
[14:28] <Riddell> Antisound: cd into kdnssd
[14:29] <Riddell> Antisound: I uploaded our automation scripts
[14:29] <Antisound> ok
[14:29] <Riddell> Antisound: run  ~/kubuntu-automation/git-buildpackage-ppa -s 2
[14:29] <Riddell> without the "run" :)
[14:29] <Antisound> wtf
[14:29] <Antisound> lol
[14:30] <Riddell> that'll take the .tar from KDE and the debian/ from us and add a ppa2 changelog entry and build the source packaging
[14:30] <mcstr> apachelogger shadeslayer from project-neon told me that project neon is currently unmaintained and you know more about it?
[14:30] <Antisound> but it hasn't worked because of your key? or
[14:31] <Riddell> Antisound: if you look in the directory above you have a .orig. (upstream) a .debian.tar.gz (the debian/ directory with packaging)  and the .dsc (simple descrption) and .changes (lists what we want to upload)
[14:32] <Antisound> ok
[14:32] <Riddell> Antisound: I just ran  debsign -r  on my local computer to add the missing pgp signature
[14:32] <Riddell> Antisound: look in the .changes to make sure it looks good
[14:32] <Riddell> Antisound: oh wrong .changes file
[14:33] <Riddell> it's the ppa2 one we want to upload
[14:33] <Riddell> yep looks good to me
[14:33] <Antisound> okay
[14:33] <Riddell> upload it with  dput ppa:kubuntu-ppa/next-staging kdnssd-kf5_5.3.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa2_source.changes
[14:34] <Riddell> add a --unchecked I guess
[14:34] <Antisound> Riddell: hmm got a tiny problem
[14:34] <Antisound> i have to leave for some minutes..
[14:34] <Antisound> how long do we need?
[14:34] <Riddell> Antisound: just this one command
[14:34] <Riddell> and it's done
[14:34] <Antisound> ok
[14:35] <Antisound> where's the missing command?
[14:35] <Riddell> I dunno, you're the one who pasted that :)
[14:36] <Antisound> so?
[14:36] <Antisound> no
[14:36] <Antisound> or?
[14:36] <Riddell> Antisound: add  --unchecked
[14:36] <Riddell> silly dput
[14:36] <Antisound> hehe
[14:36] <Riddell> add --unchecked  after the dput
[14:36] <Antisound> okkkkk
[14:36] <Riddell> Antisound: awooga!
[14:37] <apachelogger> mcstr: depends on your definition of maintained I guess
[14:37] <Riddell> Antisound: now you're an elite kubuntu ninja
[14:37] <Antisound> HEHEHE
[14:37] <Antisound> yeeeeeeeeeeeahhaaa
[14:37] <Antisound> i've got so save the dialog ;-)
[14:37] <Antisound> so Riddell we talk again later
[14:37] <Riddell> Antisound: you can watch it build at https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/next-staging/+packages?field.name_filter=kdnssd
[14:37] <Antisound> thanks in advance for your patience :-)
[14:37] <Antisound> alright
[14:37] <Riddell> Antisound: and hopefully it should be perfect by the time you come back
[14:38] <Antisound> hehe
[14:38] <Antisound> ok
[14:38] <Antisound> so ... ttyl :)
[14:38] <Riddell> ciao
[14:38] <mcstr> apachelogger well the thing is i got a problem with some package ktrash5 today..... 
[14:39] <Riddell> gosh I do think that euca2ools is a crime against naming up there with akregator
[14:40] <mcstr> apachelogger to be more precisely »/opt/project-neon5/bin/ktrash5 can't be overwritten sicne today
[14:48] <apachelogger> yeah
[14:48] <apachelogger> you need to figure out what needs to overwrite what and then tell dpkg to overwrite
[14:48] <apachelogger> neon never ever did that
[14:48] <mcstr> apachelogger /var/cache/apt/archives/project-neon5-kio_0.0+git20141006.0321+neon4~89ebd41~14.04_amd64.deb
[14:51] <mcstr> i tried force overwrite got another error message now -f install and it seems to configure everything
[14:51] <mcstr> hope this works
[14:54] <sgclark> Riddell: kdeplasma-addons with a current copyright and misc changes has been pushed and in next-staging building
[14:55] <Riddell> awooga!
[14:55] <sgclark> Riddell: I have to leave for 1ish hour, but will help with kf5 if needed when I get back.
[14:56] <Riddell> sgclark: have yourself a chocolate milk on me for that, you deserve it
[14:56] <sgclark> hehe ty
[15:09] <mcstr> apachelogger everything went fine seems the problem is gone :)
[15:09] <mcstr> gonna login project neon5 for a quick test
[15:31] <mcstr> apachelogger everything fine now
[15:31] <Antisound> Riddell: just for better understanding... why dput --unchecked?
[15:31] <Riddell> Antisound: it was checking my gpg signature but because my gpg key wasn't on that server it was complaining it couldn't check
[15:32] <Antisound> ok
[15:32] <Riddell> but it's not necessary to check, the real check is done by launchpad after the upload
[15:32] <Antisound> ok
[15:32] <Riddell> Antisound: looks like kdnssd is all green in our build status script http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/kf5-status/build_status_5.3.0_utopic.html
[15:33] <Antisound> is there a tutorial somewhere where i can perceive the commands u showed me before?
[15:33] <Antisound> yeah,... we have done gooood work ;-)
[15:33] <Riddell> Antisound: loads, alas none of them great
[15:33] <Riddell> sgclark: what did you use to learn packaging?
[15:34] <Riddell> Antisound: other useful skills you should look into will be more bash command usage (getting used to copy and paste for one :)
[15:34] <Antisound> hehe
[15:34] <Antisound> i know i know 
[15:34] <Riddell> learning a decent console text editor, I recommend emacs but for some reason some people use vi
[15:34] <Antisound> ok
[15:34] <Riddell> git revision control, and we also use bzr (which is built into launchpad)
[15:34] <Antisound> Riddell: i still have to learn how to use git in detail
[15:36] <Riddell> https://wiki.debian.org/IntroDebianPackaging and other google results for "debian packaging tutorial" may help
[15:36] <Riddell> there's a few different variants in doing .deb packages and each tutorial has its own preference
[15:36] <Antisound> ok
[15:37] <Riddell> but we're always happy to help potential kubuntu ninjas here
[15:38] <Antisound> thats really kindly
[15:38] <Antisound> Riddell: are you trained programmer?
[15:39] <Antisound> better say.. qualified
[15:39] <Riddell> Antisound: yeah I did computing at university
[15:40] <Riddell> but I found that learning it in a leacture theatre is nice but it misses out a lot of what makes a real programme work
[15:40] <Riddell> so I ended up looking at KDE software to understand how a real program works
[15:40] <Antisound> Riddell: you're right, but i think for the basics it's not too bad to learn it at an university
[15:40] <Riddell> I think open source is the only way to learn how to program
[15:41] <Antisound> i'm so upset i did no apprenticeship as programmer 
[15:41] <Riddell> sure, university gave me a nice framework
[15:41] <Riddell> and then I could check with KDE people how it was done in the real world :)
[15:41] <Antisound> hehe
[15:41] <Antisound> Riddell: i can imagine
[15:41] <Riddell> and the nice thing about kubuntu is we work with such a large variety of software, lots to experience here
[15:41] <Antisound> yeah of course
[15:42] <Antisound> Riddell: can i recommend me how to begin programming?
[15:42] <Antisound> which language is recommend for basic skills?
[15:42] <Antisound> in relation to open source 
[15:42] <Riddell> I recommend python
[15:43] <Riddell> it's nice and structured
[15:43] <Antisound> ok
[15:43] <Riddell> easy to learn
[15:43] <Riddell> easy to get started in
[15:43] <Riddell> no scary stuff like c++ has
[15:43] <Riddell> we also use it lots in ubuntu and kubuntu
[15:44] <Riddell> so it's good for real world use for sure
[15:44] <Antisound> c++ is scary, you say it 
[15:44] <Antisound> Riddell: i often tried c/c++ and failed
[15:44] <Riddell> but I don't have pointers to good beginners guides I'm afraid
[15:44] <Antisound> after 50 pages i kicked the book away
[15:44] <Antisound> Riddell: no prob
[15:44] <Riddell> but programming is about more than the language
[15:44] <Antisound> Riddell: what its all about?
[15:44] <Antisound> tell me the secret ;-)
[15:44] <Riddell> you also need good programming libraries and APIs
[15:45] <Riddell> and in KDE we use Qt (which also has good python bindings)
[15:45] <Riddell> it provides APIs that are well documented and consistent to use
[15:46] <Riddell> c++ has almost no libraries by default, you have to pick your own
[15:46] <Riddell> java has loads, but the APIs are very complex, just opening a file needs about three classes
[15:47] <Antisound> alright
[15:47] <Antisound> sounds complex ;-)
[15:47] <Riddell> and you also need to learn about the tools.  the build systems (cmake for KDE usually), the revision controls (git is all the rage although I still find it quite scary).  and IDEs (of which kate is a good text editor and kdevelop is more full features IDE)
[15:47] <Antisound> ok
[15:48] <Riddell> at university I only got taught about programming languages, but that's only one part of the story
[15:49] <Antisound> Riddell: sometimes i think i'm too stupid too learn this all
[15:49] <Riddell> here at kubuntu we experience everything, it's why distros are fun, plus our work gets used by countless people around the world
[15:49] <Riddell> Antisound: nah I just saw you typing away on a command line, you're good, but there's so much to learn it does take time
[15:50] <ScottK> Antisound: Don't get discouraged.  It takes awhile, but eventually it's easy.  Stuff that literally used to take me an hour, I can do in a few minutes now.  It's just experience.
[15:51] <Antisound> ScottK Riddell thanks for your edifiying words ;-)
[15:51] <Riddell> Antisound: oh also free software is a great way to make a name for yourself
[15:52] <Antisound> Riddell: surely
[15:52] <Riddell> blog stuff you do, go to conferences and give talks, you'll be a programming rockstar before you know it
[15:52] <Antisound> somethings things for me are harder to understand maybe because english is not my native language
[15:52] <Antisound> Riddell: hehe sounds interesting ;-)
[15:53] <Antisound> i'm 27 now,... sometimes i think i'm too old to do something "new" like this, i mean this because i think the programming and computing sector is such a fast branch where changes are so rapid 
[15:54] <Riddell> Antisound: I'm so jelous of folks like you who can speak english as well as me a native speaker, your english has been perfect so far
[15:54] <Antisound> i think most guys are 14-16 when they begin about computing...
[15:54] <Riddell> I'm leaning spanish now and it'll take a while to get anything like fluent
[15:54] <Antisound> Riddell: trying my best ;-)
[15:55] <Riddell> you're a german speaker?  lots of those in kde for sure
[15:55] <Antisound> jep german
[15:55] <Antisound> i know
[15:55] <Antisound> i think that depends on suse or?
[15:56] <Antisound> because opensuse and kde its native desktop has provided many kde people ;-)
[15:56] <Riddell> it started with the c't magazine
[15:56] <Antisound> ok
[15:56] <Riddell> they pubisised the original call for people to help kde
[15:56] <Riddell> and lots of inital peopl came from that
[15:57] <Riddell> but yes suse was also a large part of it
[15:57] <Riddell> but now they don't have any staff on kde
[15:57] <Riddell> as bad as canonical :)
[15:57] <Antisound> really not?
[15:57] <Antisound> ok
[15:57] <Antisound> bad .. too bad
[15:57] <Riddell> and fedora has 4 people on kde, quite a reversal from the historic position
[15:58] <Antisound> lol you're in wikipedia :D
[15:58] <Riddell> but generally it's not a route to a quick job in itself, more a route to learning the skills and making contacts
[15:58] <Antisound> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Systems
[15:58] <Riddell> am I?
[15:58] <Antisound> they're writing about emoploying new programmers 
[15:58] <Riddell> oh yes as a name, as yet nobody made a whole article for me, I feel so unimportant
[15:58] <Antisound> in 2012
[15:58] <Antisound> hehe
[15:59] <Antisound> Riddell: i c 
[15:59] <Antisound> it's all about connections... in the whole wide world
[15:59] <Antisound> connections to other human organics ;-)
[16:01] <Antisound> Riddell: i could write an article about you as the best ninja warrior instructor ;-)
[16:05] <Riddell> Antisound: sounds good :)  we can put it on social media places
[16:05] <Antisound> hehe alright ;)
[16:06] <Antisound> Riddell: interesting the company that employs you is a german company... nice
[16:07] <Antisound> the germans have there hands in everywhere ;-)
[16:07] <Riddell> ja, we're also having a meeting in munich in november which you'd be welcome to come to
[16:08] <Antisound> in munich
[16:08] <Antisound> nearby my hometown
[16:08] <Antisound> hmm
[16:08] <Antisound> when in november?
[16:08] <Riddell> evening of 21st to evening of 23rd
[16:09] <Antisound> uuuhh it's my wedding day.. dunno if my wife is going to support this ;-)
[16:09] <Riddell> bring her along too :)
[16:09] <Antisound> Riddell: detailed information somewhere?
[16:09] <Antisound> website?
[16:09] <Riddell> https://wiki.debian.org/BSP/2014/11/de/Munich
[16:11] <Antisound> got to think about it... what is bsp?
[16:13] <Riddell> bug squishing party
[16:13] <Antisound> lmao
[16:13] <Antisound> ok
[16:14] <Antisound> the whole day you guys do nothing other then hunting for bugs and squishing them? ;-)
[16:14] <Antisound> in a group notabene ;-)
[16:15] <Riddell> actually we probably use it to have discussions that are better had offline, reviewing todo lists and that sort of thing
[16:15] <Antisound> ok
[16:15] <Riddell> we used to have ubuntu summits but they stopped when canonical decided they had to make money
[16:15] <sgclark> Riddell: back, can you update notes page please
[16:15] <Antisound> Riddell: really sad what happend to ubuntu over the last years..
[16:16] <Antisound> do you know why that happens to ubuntu, what happend?
[16:16] <sgclark> and I learned packaging itself with what you showed me and learn over time process. I have been using Linux since 1998 so console I have known for a very long time
[16:17] <Riddell> sgclark: I just uploaded kwallet
[16:18] <Riddell> Antisound: canonical decided they had to make money
[16:18] <Riddell> can't be too grumpy about that really
[16:18] <Riddell> nobody has ever made money off commuity made desktop software, which is a shame
[16:19] <sgclark> it is :(
[16:19] <Antisound> Riddell: it is!
[16:19] <Riddell> although smart folks know to save money with it, like munich
[16:19] <Antisound> yeah
[16:19] <sgclark> I don't wanna find a real job, love doing this, alas bills need to be paid
[16:19] <Antisound> and hamburg as i read wanna to start the same or?
[16:20] <Riddell> not heard that, but do send them our way :)
[16:20] <Antisound> sgclark: so you're unemployed? no you aren't work?
[16:20] <Antisound> Riddell: 
[16:20] <Antisound> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Hamburg-Might-Be-the-Next-Major-City-After-Munich-to-Ditch-Windows-and-Microsoft-Products-461044.shtml
[16:21] <sgclark> yeah I am blissfully unemployed. Needs to change soon tho as life happens. THough, doing this has taught me tons of transferrable skills.
[16:22] <Antisound> sgclark: whats your contry of origin?
[16:22] <Antisound> country*
[16:23] <Antisound> rather were do you live atm ;-)
[16:23] <sgclark> I currently reside in the US, though I am a bit of a wanderer
[16:23] <Antisound> sgclark: ok
[16:24] <Antisound> thats another thing which shies me doing more this way,.. .i've got a wife which want's to be feeded ;-)
[16:26] <sgclark> my wonderful husband supports my efforts. BUt some unexpected stuff has come up and we needs more monies.
[16:26] <Antisound> oh,... you're a girl :D
[16:26] <sgclark> hehe yeah
[16:26] <Antisound> n1
[16:27] <Antisound> yeah damn money... it rules the world
[16:27] <Antisound> world would be better without that shi*
[16:30] <Riddell> s/girl/lady/
[16:30] <sgclark> lol true
[16:30] <Antisound> Riddell: thank for all the best till now,... hope i can learn more of you guys in the future... and certainly i can help you sometimes, and maybe more in future :)
[16:30] <Antisound> sgclark... lady sorry ;-)
[16:31] <Antisound> damn from now on,.. i've to say when i join... hi ladies and fellaz ;-)
[16:31] <sgclark> Antisound: the knowledge you gain is worth the effort :) 
[16:32] <Antisound> i hope so
[16:32] <Riddell> Antisound: staying around on this irc channel is the first step to a ninja black belt
[16:32] <Antisound> hehe alright!!!
[16:33] <Antisound> as u can see, i've been here most time of the last days
[16:33] <Antisound> for sure i can't stay 24/7 
[16:33] <sgclark> Riddell: kdeplasma-addons is showing as older version from 4.14.1, does it need epoch?
[16:33] <Antisound> but the time i have, i'll be here
[16:33] <Riddell> I try to avoid any gender specific language on irc, avoids any mistaken assumptions or feeling you have to special case some people which will grate
[16:34] <Antisound> Riddell: for sure i understand
[16:34] <Riddell> sgclark: yes it should get a 4: epoch
[16:34] <sgclark> ok
[16:34] <sgclark> also how do I branch this to kubuntu_utopic_next again?
[16:36] <Riddell> git clone debian:plasma/kdeplasma-addons
[16:36]  * Antisound is away
[16:36] <Antisound> ttyl
[16:36] <Riddell> git checkout -b kubuntu_unstable
[16:37] <Riddell> git push --set-upstream origin kubuntu_unstable
[16:37] <Riddell> git checkout -b kubuntu_utopic_next
[16:37] <Riddell> git push --set-upstream origin kubuntu_utopic_next
[16:46] <sgclark> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8508500/ 
[16:47]  * Riddell looks
[16:49] <Riddell> sgclark: you've not pushed the new branches?
[16:53] <sgclark> Riddell: apologies, done
[16:54]  * Riddell tries
[16:57] <Riddell> sgclark: do you have uscan installed?
[16:57] <Riddell> apt install devscripts
[16:58] <Riddell> sgclark: I'd set maintainer to  Maintainer: Debian/Kubuntu Qt/KDE Maintainers <debian-qt-kde@lists.debian.org>
[16:58] <Riddell> else it'll complain about not having an ubuntu maintainer
[16:59] <sgclark> ok, and yes on uscan
[16:59] <Riddell> sgclark: I assume you have git-buildpackage installed?
[17:00] <sgclark> yes git-buildpackage-ppa -d utopic --distversion 14.10 -s 4
[17:00] <sgclark> yes git-buildpackage-ppa -d utopic --distversion 14.10
[17:01] <sgclark> I have had no probelms until this epoch
[17:03] <Riddell> sgclark: you havn't got an epoch in debian/changelog in the kubuntu_utopic_next branch
[17:06] <sgclark> Riddell: check now. git add is my friend... haha
[17:07] <Riddell> sgclark: works great for me
[17:07] <Riddell> sgclark: it's saying there is no kdeplasma-addons-5.0.95.tar.xz,  is there some reason why uscan scan't download or rename that?
[17:10] <sgclark> Riddell: watch file broken, fixing
[17:11] <Riddell> aah hah
[17:12] <sgclark> well that changed nothing, hmm
[17:14] <Riddell> sgclark: actually it shouldn't be able to download it by uscan
[17:15] <Riddell> no I'm talking nonsense, it should it's here http://download.kde.org/unstable/plasma/5.0.95/
[17:15] <sgclark> mmm hmm
[17:15] <Riddell> sgclark: well maybe download it manually and rename to kdeplasma-addons_5.0.95.orig.tar.xz
[17:19] <sgclark> Riddell: that worked, wierd, thanks
[17:19] <Riddell> hmm, good, I suppose
[17:40] <sgclark> Riddell: ugh, tar has different contents?
[17:41] <sgclark> rename to b or something?
[17:41] <sgclark> and ci fail..
[17:46] <soee> hiho
[17:46] <sgclark> hiyas
[22:46] <shadeslayer> !find Debian/Debhelper/Dh_Version.pm
[22:46] <shadeslayer> ofourse pkg-kde-tools doesn't depend on debhelper
[22:47] <shadeslayer> because that'd be stupid
[23:52] <valorie> apachelogger: https://www.shadertoy.com/view/4slGWH to brighten your evening
[23:52] <valorie> or I guess night