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[09:25] <leszek> hi
[09:48] <akis> hi all. i am running on an old pc with mendocino-celeron on it the minimal lubuntu edition with basic applications. Is the "apt-get update" and "apt-get upgrade"  enough to get and install manually all the necessary security updates through terminal?
[09:49] <JohnDoe_71Rus> yes
[09:50] <JohnDoe_71Rus> you can try https://wiki.debian.org/Aptitude?action=show&redirect=aptitude
[09:52] <akis> i am asking because i run those 2 commands and there is nothing available to upgrade although those days on my other fully installed systems (xubuntu & lubuntu) i got some updates of the base system.
[09:58] <JohnDoe_71Rus> do you have internet connection?
[09:58] <akis> sure
[09:58] <JohnDoe_71Rus> lubuntu version?
[09:59] <akis> 14.04
[10:00] <JohnDoe_71Rus> check /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:03] <akis> it updates normally from server but it doesnt upgrade and i dont know if it is normal. maybe it havent to upgrade aything because it s a minimal install ?
[10:04] <JohnDoe_71Rus> check security section /etc/apt/sources.list. then you install OS, you can download updates automaticaly
[10:09] <akis> i prefer to update manually to save ram mem
[10:17] <JohnDoe_71Rus> cat /etc/lsb-release  - Ubuntu 14.0.1 ДЕС
[10:17] <JohnDoe_71Rus> *LTS
[10:18] <JohnDoe_71Rus> 14.04.1
[10:24] <akis> 14.04.1 is already installed. i installed my system last week. but since then i got some updates on my other pc's where i havent minimal systems and i have enabled the auto updates
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[15:27] <akis> hi all. i am running since last week on an old pc with mendocino ­celeron on it, the minimal lubuntu 14.04.1 edition with basic only applications. Is the "apt-­get update" and "apt­-get upgrade" commands enough to get and install manually all the necessary security updates through terminal?
[15:34] <testdr> akis: yes - but in LXDE there is a gui-button to run update.
[15:40] <akis> testdr: i didn't install the updater application to save ram memory (extra low on 192mb only) and i have chosen to update manually through terminal. i am asking if these commands i found googling for a while are right, because although my system is up for a week now and i saw that on my other systems (on other machines) which are also running full editions of lubuntu & xubuntu 14.04.1 i got some auto base system updates, in this minimal lubuntu
[15:40] <akis>  system i got no update. is it normal?
[15:42] <akis> i mean i got no update although i am giving both these commands on terminal.
[15:45] <testdr> akis: what is the output of both commands - pls. use the pastebin to upload the text and provide the link/url to it
[15:48] <akis> i am not now on this machine but the output of "apt-get update" is the usual list of repos accessed from the system and the output of "apt-get upgrade" is 0 updated 0 installed. Does these commands and specially the 2nd one should give the option of install base system's updates too or just for the applications' packages?
[15:50] <testdr> akis: then - if you did not notice any errors - the message ist your paket-lists are updated and there are no new updates for your installed pakets available.
[15:50] <testdr> akis: when did you do the last updates?
[15:50] <testdr> akis: maybe you have automatical update enabled? And therefore you did not notice the last run?
[15:56] <akis> this is my opinion too. today i asked for an update and returned me 0 updates. when i installed mini.iso i took the option for a manual update and then i installed minimal lubuntu and i haven't installed updater application.
[15:57] <testdr> akis: check version of kernel - it should be 3.13.0-36
[15:57] <testdr> akis: uname -a
[15:59] <holstein> akis: if you have the latest packages, you wont see updates
[15:59] <akis> i will when i will be on the machine. but as i finished the insallation last Friday i think that i have the last one. maybe there is nothing to be updated. my other systems got some updates maybe because they have the full version of distros
[15:59] <holstein> akis: run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" and share errors in a pastebin
[16:00] <holstein> akis: just check.. no need to assume
[16:00] <akis> holstein: i found here some very useful advises. http://askubuntu.com/questions/194651/why-use-apt-get-upgrade-instead-of-apt-get-dist-upgrade.
[16:01] <holstein> akis: dist-upgrade is what i suggest
[16:01] <holstein> akis: this will ensure that you get *all* updates..
[16:01] <akis> holstein: ok my friend. i can report that ifinished with the minimal installation on my old pc (mendocino-celeron @400 mhz ) we talked about it last week. do you remember our recent chat?
[16:02] <akis> dist-upgrade gave me also 0 zero to all
[16:02] <holstein> akis: dist-upgrade nor upgrade *check* for updatees
[16:03] <holstein> akis: so, the results for checking for packages will and should be the same regardless of what package manager you are using
[16:06] <testdr> akis: for your other machines getting updates in the last few dates - you only have seen what was updated and you only can know whether those update-pakets are used on your problem-computer.
[16:06] <holstein> not all packages get updates..
[16:06] <holstein> and if you have PPA's on the other machines, the PPA maintainers may push out updates as they please
[16:06] <testdr> as far as i know, there was no new kernel-update in last days and then it could be there are no updates
[16:08] <akis> holstein: i know that. but i got on my other machines some base system's updates that's why i am wondering. no extra PPA's. From what we are chating here i think everything is ok but i wanted a confirmation.
[16:08] <holstein> akis: sure.. confirm as stated above. share errors
[16:09] <ianorlin> it also depends when they were last updated
[16:10] <akis> testdr: yesterday i received on my xubuntu 14.04.1 a small base system update (auto enabled)
[16:10] <holstein> akis: they are different bases.. please use the commands above, and paste errors
[16:11] <testdr> akis: could be - depends when you did your last updates - and this is all looking into a black hole if you dont give more specs. like the current running kernel-version on those machines
[16:11] <holstein> you will need to have access to the actual hardware, and error messages..
[16:11] <akis> holstein: i am not on the minimal lubuntu machine now. but i got no errors. just 0 to all updates and installed packages.
[16:12] <holstein> akis: when you are near the hardware, run the commands above..
[16:12] <holstein> akis: otherwise, there is little to do but speculate.. nothing you have stated makes me think you have any problem at all
[16:13] <akis> sudo apt-get update && time sudo apt-get dist-upgrade are OK? what "time" means?
[16:13] <ianorlin> time tells you how long the command takes to run
[16:13] <ianorlin> not the time it was completed
[16:14] <holstein> i might look at my sources as well..
[16:14] <akis> so "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" is enough for a manual update and installation?
[16:14] <holstein> if you are online, and accessing official sources.. thats all there is to it
[16:15] <holstein> akis: not "update and installation". its a way to use the package managment too "apt" to update the packages on your system.. packages may be installed as needed for dependencies, but that is not an "install" command
[16:16] <akis> ok i understand what you mean.
[16:19] <akis> thank you dear friends for your advises and for your time today. i have to go now. have a nice day. bye.
[20:19] <tertu> so i'm trying to connect to a samba printer
[20:19] <tertu> but it's not a printer per se
[20:20] <tertu> it's a print station frontend
[20:20] <tertu> which seems to be confusing the New Printer thing because i think it's trying to figure out what kind of printer it is and failing, in any case it does not work
[20:23]  * ianorlin unfotanely doesn't use samba
[20:25] <tertu> gonna put it in #ubuntu as well
[20:27] <rww> !crossposting
[20:27] <ubottu> Please don't ask the same question in multiple Ubuntu channels at the same time. Many helpers are in more than one channel and it's not fair to them or the other people seeking support.
[20:27] <tertu> ah
[20:27] <tertu> okay
[20:27] <tertu> makes sense
[20:36] <tertu> turns out I was missing smbclient.
[20:37] <tertu> thanks!
[20:37] <tertu> and i will remember not to crosspost in the future.
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[22:47] <forthewin> who's got the oldest computer here?
[22:47] <forthewin> 1998 chinese laptop here
[22:48] <acecipher> Hi, I'm having trouble connecting to my wifi network with a wifi usb adapter. I can get the device to work and see networks, but it won't connect, and appearantly has some trouble getting the passwords through. I tried to mess around with wpa_supplicant.conf, but appearantly that can't find my wlan0 device.
[22:49] <forthewin> acecipher: open up terminal and type iwlist scanning
[22:50] <acecipher> Yeah, it can see my network.
[22:50] <acecipher> Cell 03 - Address: C4:3D:C7:A4:41:7C
[22:50] <acecipher>                     ESSID:"Steaksauce"
[22:50] <forthewin> when that happened to me i rebooted and it was working
[22:51] <acecipher> Hmmmm :/
[22:51] <acecipher> Let me try rebooting then.
[23:00] <acecipher> xP And he left...
[23:00] <acecipher> Still having that problem.
[23:03] <ianorlin> which wifi adapeter are you using?
[23:03] <ianorlin> does it show up in lsusb?
[23:04] <acecipher> Bus 002 Device 003: ID 050d:615a Belkin Components F7D4101 / F9L1101 802.11abgn Wireless Adapter [Broadcom BCM4323]
[23:06] <acecipher> ...SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT
[23:06] <acecipher> I know what's wrong now.
[23:06] <wxl> !language | acecipher
[23:06] <ubottu> acecipher: The main Ubuntu channels require that you speak in calm, polite English. For other languages, please visit https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList
[23:06] <acecipher> (maybe)
[23:09] <ianorlin> it is broadcom usb which makes it hard to work
[23:09] <acecipher> xP
[23:09] <acecipher> Would linksys likely be a better choice?
[23:10] <ianorlin> it matters what the chipset is
[23:10] <acecipher> Hmmmmmmm
[23:10] <acecipher> xP
[23:16] <ravious> looking for a new router?
[23:16] <acecipher> Well, I might just try to move the current one into my room, if my roomates agree (they're gone until tuesday).
[23:16] <ravious> Ubiquiti AirRouter is amazing.
[23:17] <acecipher> Well, I'm also the most computer-savvy one (though one roomate is generally good, being a postdoc researcher and all)
[23:17] <ravious> enterprise features, reliability, hardware, at consumer prices.
[23:18] <acecipher> I will consider this, but really, I'm not looking for much. I prefer Ethernet.
[23:18] <ravious> *nods* Thats cool. Even for wired, you wont find anything else (at least for now) that can sling packets like this ting.
[23:19] <ravious> <--- ubnt.com fanboy for sure lol
[23:19] <ravious> I just wish they would release their 48 port managed switches >.<
[23:23] <ianorlin> he wants usb adapter that works for usb