[09:25] <leszek> hi
[09:48] <akis> hi all. i am running on an old pc with mendocino-celeron on it the minimal lubuntu edition with basic applications. Is the "apt-get update" and "apt-get upgrade"  enough to get and install manually all the necessary security updates through terminal?
[09:49] <JohnDoe_71Rus> yes
[09:50] <JohnDoe_71Rus> you can try https://wiki.debian.org/Aptitude?action=show&redirect=aptitude
[09:52] <akis> i am asking because i run those 2 commands and there is nothing available to upgrade although those days on my other fully installed systems (xubuntu & lubuntu) i got some updates of the base system.
[09:58] <JohnDoe_71Rus> do you have internet connection?
[09:58] <akis> sure
[09:58] <JohnDoe_71Rus> lubuntu version?
[09:59] <akis> 14.04
[10:00] <JohnDoe_71Rus> check /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:03] <akis> it updates normally from server but it doesnt upgrade and i dont know if it is normal. maybe it havent to upgrade aything because it s a minimal install ?
[10:04] <JohnDoe_71Rus> check security section /etc/apt/sources.list. then you install OS, you can download updates automaticaly
[10:09] <akis> i prefer to update manually to save ram mem
[10:17] <JohnDoe_71Rus> cat /etc/lsb-release  - Ubuntu 14.0.1 ДЕС
[10:17] <JohnDoe_71Rus> *LTS
[10:18] <JohnDoe_71Rus> 14.04.1
[10:24] <akis> 14.04.1 is already installed. i installed my system last week. but since then i got some updates on my other pc's where i havent minimal systems and i have enabled the auto updates
[15:27] <akis> hi all. i am running since last week on an old pc with mendocino ­celeron on it, the minimal lubuntu 14.04.1 edition with basic only applications. Is the "apt-­get update" and "apt­-get upgrade" commands enough to get and install manually all the necessary security updates through terminal?
[15:34] <testdr> akis: yes - but in LXDE there is a gui-button to run update.
[15:40] <akis> testdr: i didn't install the updater application to save ram memory (extra low on 192mb only) and i have chosen to update manually through terminal. i am asking if these commands i found googling for a while are right, because although my system is up for a week now and i saw that on my other systems (on other machines) which are also running full editions of lubuntu & xubuntu 14.04.1 i got some auto base system updates, in this minimal lubuntu
[15:40] <akis>  system i got no update. is it normal?
[15:42] <akis> i mean i got no update although i am giving both these commands on terminal.
[15:45] <testdr> akis: what is the output of both commands - pls. use the pastebin to upload the text and provide the link/url to it
[15:48] <akis> i am not now on this machine but the output of "apt-get update" is the usual list of repos accessed from the system and the output of "apt-get upgrade" is 0 updated 0 installed. Does these commands and specially the 2nd one should give the option of install base system's updates too or just for the applications' packages?
[15:50] <testdr> akis: then - if you did not notice any errors - the message ist your paket-lists are updated and there are no new updates for your installed pakets available.
[15:50] <testdr> akis: when did you do the last updates?
[15:50] <testdr> akis: maybe you have automatical update enabled? And therefore you did not notice the last run?
[15:56] <akis> this is my opinion too. today i asked for an update and returned me 0 updates. when i installed mini.iso i took the option for a manual update and then i installed minimal lubuntu and i haven't installed updater application.
[15:57] <testdr> akis: check version of kernel - it should be 3.13.0-36
[15:57] <testdr> akis: uname -a
[15:59] <holstein> akis: if you have the latest packages, you wont see updates
[15:59] <akis> i will when i will be on the machine. but as i finished the insallation last Friday i think that i have the last one. maybe there is nothing to be updated. my other systems got some updates maybe because they have the full version of distros
[15:59] <holstein> akis: run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" and share errors in a pastebin
[16:00] <holstein> akis: just check.. no need to assume
[16:00] <akis> holstein: i found here some very useful advises. http://askubuntu.com/questions/194651/why-use-apt-get-upgrade-instead-of-apt-get-dist-upgrade.
[16:01] <holstein> akis: dist-upgrade is what i suggest
[16:01] <holstein> akis: this will ensure that you get *all* updates..
[16:01] <akis> holstein: ok my friend. i can report that ifinished with the minimal installation on my old pc (mendocino-celeron @400 mhz ) we talked about it last week. do you remember our recent chat?
[16:02] <akis> dist-upgrade gave me also 0 zero to all
[16:02] <holstein> akis: dist-upgrade nor upgrade *check* for updatees
[16:03] <holstein> akis: so, the results for checking for packages will and should be the same regardless of what package manager you are using
[16:06] <testdr> akis: for your other machines getting updates in the last few dates - you only have seen what was updated and you only can know whether those update-pakets are used on your problem-computer.
[16:06] <holstein> not all packages get updates..
[16:06] <holstein> and if you have PPA's on the other machines, the PPA maintainers may push out updates as they please
[16:06] <testdr> as far as i know, there was no new kernel-update in last days and then it could be there are no updates
[16:08] <akis> holstein: i know that. but i got on my other machines some base system's updates that's why i am wondering. no extra PPA's. From what we are chating here i think everything is ok but i wanted a confirmation.
[16:08] <holstein> akis: sure.. confirm as stated above. share errors
[16:09] <ianorlin> it also depends when they were last updated
[16:10] <akis> testdr: yesterday i received on my xubuntu 14.04.1 a small base system update (auto enabled)
[16:10] <holstein> akis: they are different bases.. please use the commands above, and paste errors
[16:11] <testdr> akis: could be - depends when you did your last updates - and this is all looking into a black hole if you dont give more specs. like the current running kernel-version on those machines
[16:11] <holstein> you will need to have access to the actual hardware, and error messages..
[16:11] <akis> holstein: i am not on the minimal lubuntu machine now. but i got no errors. just 0 to all updates and installed packages.
[16:12] <holstein> akis: when you are near the hardware, run the commands above..
[16:12] <holstein> akis: otherwise, there is little to do but speculate.. nothing you have stated makes me think you have any problem at all
[16:13] <akis> sudo apt-get update && time sudo apt-get dist-upgrade are OK? what "time" means?
[16:13] <ianorlin> time tells you how long the command takes to run
[16:13] <ianorlin> not the time it was completed
[16:14] <holstein> i might look at my sources as well..
[16:14] <akis> so "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" is enough for a manual update and installation?
[16:14] <holstein> if you are online, and accessing official sources.. thats all there is to it
[16:15] <holstein> akis: not "update and installation". its a way to use the package managment too "apt" to update the packages on your system.. packages may be installed as needed for dependencies, but that is not an "install" command
[16:16] <akis> ok i understand what you mean.
[16:19] <akis> thank you dear friends for your advises and for your time today. i have to go now. have a nice day. bye.
[20:19] <tertu> so i'm trying to connect to a samba printer
[20:19] <tertu> but it's not a printer per se
[20:20] <tertu> it's a print station frontend
[20:20] <tertu> which seems to be confusing the New Printer thing because i think it's trying to figure out what kind of printer it is and failing, in any case it does not work
[20:23]  * ianorlin unfotanely doesn't use samba
[20:25] <tertu> gonna put it in #ubuntu as well
[20:27] <rww> !crossposting
[20:27] <tertu> ah
[20:27] <tertu> okay
[20:27] <tertu> makes sense
[20:36] <tertu> turns out I was missing smbclient.
[20:37] <tertu> thanks!
[20:37] <tertu> and i will remember not to crosspost in the future.
[22:47] <forthewin> who's got the oldest computer here?
[22:47] <forthewin> 1998 chinese laptop here
[22:48] <acecipher> Hi, I'm having trouble connecting to my wifi network with a wifi usb adapter. I can get the device to work and see networks, but it won't connect, and appearantly has some trouble getting the passwords through. I tried to mess around with wpa_supplicant.conf, but appearantly that can't find my wlan0 device.
[22:49] <forthewin> acecipher: open up terminal and type iwlist scanning
[22:50] <acecipher> Yeah, it can see my network.
[22:50] <acecipher> Cell 03 - Address: C4:3D:C7:A4:41:7C
[22:50] <acecipher>                     ESSID:"Steaksauce"
[22:50] <forthewin> when that happened to me i rebooted and it was working
[22:51] <acecipher> Hmmmm :/
[22:51] <acecipher> Let me try rebooting then.
[23:00] <acecipher> xP And he left...
[23:00] <acecipher> Still having that problem.
[23:03] <ianorlin> which wifi adapeter are you using?
[23:03] <ianorlin> does it show up in lsusb?
[23:04] <acecipher> Bus 002 Device 003: ID 050d:615a Belkin Components F7D4101 / F9L1101 802.11abgn Wireless Adapter [Broadcom BCM4323]
[23:06] <acecipher> ...SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT
[23:06] <acecipher> I know what's wrong now.
[23:06] <wxl> !language | acecipher
[23:06] <acecipher> (maybe)
[23:09] <ianorlin> it is broadcom usb which makes it hard to work
[23:09] <acecipher> xP
[23:09] <acecipher> Would linksys likely be a better choice?
[23:10] <ianorlin> it matters what the chipset is
[23:10] <acecipher> Hmmmmmmm
[23:10] <acecipher> xP
[23:16] <ravious> looking for a new router?
[23:16] <acecipher> Well, I might just try to move the current one into my room, if my roomates agree (they're gone until tuesday).
[23:16] <ravious> Ubiquiti AirRouter is amazing.
[23:17] <acecipher> Well, I'm also the most computer-savvy one (though one roomate is generally good, being a postdoc researcher and all)
[23:17] <ravious> enterprise features, reliability, hardware, at consumer prices.
[23:18] <acecipher> I will consider this, but really, I'm not looking for much. I prefer Ethernet.
[23:18] <ravious> *nods* Thats cool. Even for wired, you wont find anything else (at least for now) that can sling packets like this ting.
[23:19] <ravious> <--- ubnt.com fanboy for sure lol
[23:19] <ravious> I just wish they would release their 48 port managed switches >.<
[23:23] <ianorlin> he wants usb adapter that works for usb