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jdstrandhi!17:16
jdstrand#startmeeting17:16
meetingologyMeeting started Mon Oct  6 17:16:55 2014 UTC.  The chair is jdstrand. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.17:16
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jdstrandThe meeting agenda can be found at:17:16
jdstrand[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting17:16
jdstrand[TOPIC] Review of any previous action items17:17
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jdstrandI'll go first17:17
jdstrandI'm on community this week17:17
jdstrandquite a few apparmor related items have come up that need to land17:17
jdstrandthere is a click-apparmor update for adjusting CLICK_DIR. it is ready, but it needs testing17:17
jdstrandthere is apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu for a new template (ubuntu-push-helper)17:18
jdstrandand there is apparmor itself, which is mostly in sbeattie's court, but may need a couple of tweaks to the init script and bug #137733817:19
jdstrandthat creates click-reviewers-tools changes17:19
ubottubug 1377338 in apparmor (Ubuntu) "apparmor may fail to load some profiles if one is corrupted" [Critical,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/137733817:19
jdstrandand I still haven't updated UCT for derivative branches17:19
jdstrandmdes laur is off today17:20
jdstrandsbeattie: you're up17:20
sbeattieI'm on apparmor this week17:20
jdstrandsbeattie: (also, before you hand off to tyhicks, I'll have some questions)17:20
sbeattiejdstrand: okay17:20
sbeattieas jdstrand said, I need to poke at 137733817:20
sbeattieand work on the landing of a bugfix update for the apparmor package.17:21
sbeattieI have a bit of upstream work I need to do around releases.17:21
sbeattiejdstrand: what did you want to ask?17:22
jdstrandfirst (and this may be for tyhicks as well), I was (perhaps mistakenly) thinking that the apparmor upload would fix the testsuite such that it would pass17:22
jdstrandwhich would be part of my justification for uploading it17:23
tyhicksthere are outstanding kernel bugs17:23
jdstrandyes17:23
jdstrandbut we did decide that the testsuite would be adjusted for the named path getopt (and friends) failures, correct?17:23
sbeattietyhicks: however, the getopt on dgram before there's a bound socket isn't going to get a fix, is it?17:24
tyhicksI thought all of the getopt failures were addressed in the test suite17:24
jdstrandsbeattie, tyhicks: can you sort that ^ out after the meeting?17:25
tyhicksyes17:25
jdstrandthanks17:25
sbeattiejdstrand: yeah17:25
sbeattiejdstrand: any other questions?17:25
jdstrandso, I think that means that we should adjust QRT to not fail with the current expected failures (ie, if only those kernel bugs are making the testsuite fail, then we don't fail QRT). when our kernel bugs are fixed, we remove that17:26
jdstrandsbeattie: what do you think? QA and kt are not happy with the current state17:26
jdstrand(which you can point them to me if they are upset with you)17:27
jdstrand(that was a collective you, not sbeattie-specific :)17:27
sbeattiejdstrand: yeah, agreed.17:27
jdstrandok17:27
sbeattiemeh, KT/QA are always upset with me, it's a steady state of affairs.17:27
jdstrandheh17:27
jdstrandwell, for apparmor's qrt, they can blame me17:28
jdstrand(should've thought about it before the upload that broke it)17:28
jdstrandsbeattie: so, at this point, I'm not sure that the new version of apparmor that you are working on will make it into rtm17:29
jdstrandsbeattie: however, 1377338 has to be fixed in rtm17:29
jdstrandsbeattie: so, I think priorities should be, get a patch going for 1377338, and I'll prepare an rtm upload for that and whatever else I need to do to the boot scripts17:30
sbeattieokay17:30
jdstrandsbeattie: then, get that patch into the ppa, after sorting out the testsuite17:30
jdstrandsbeattie: then I can get that to utopic17:30
jdstrandsbeattie: then someone can work on qrt17:31
jdstrandsbeattie: sound like a plan?17:31
sbeattiejdstrand: yeah, that works for me.17:31
jdstrandsbeattie: we can play the postfix one by ear once jj can comment. maybe it'll be in your upload, maybe not17:31
jdstrandsbeattie: cool, thanks17:32
jdstrandthat's it from me17:32
sbeattiealright, thanks. tyhicks?17:32
jdstrandsbeattie: oh, also, for it to be in rtm, it needs to land by thursday, which basically means I need a patch by tomorrow17:32
jdstrand(bug 1377338)17:32
sbeattiejdstrand: gotcha17:32
ubottubug 1377338 in apparmor (Ubuntu) "apparmor may fail to load some profiles if one is corrupted" [Critical,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/137733817:32
jdstrandcool, thanks17:32
tyhicksI'm now looking at the in-tree apparmor regression test suite to make sure it is failing when expected (as discussed above)17:33
tyhicksI have a couple more eCryptfs kernel patches to review and test this week before I can send a pull request for the 3.18 merege window17:34
tyhicksthey're small and shouldn't take long17:34
sbeattietyhicks: note that the paste I sent you elsewhere were results using the apparmor package in the security-proposed ppa, which has everything that's in lp:apparmor.17:34
tyhicksI misplaced them during the big apparmor landing push and just rediscovered them :/17:34
tyhickssbeattie: ack17:34
tyhicksthen I'm switching over to the upstream dbus-daemon apparmor mediation bug feedback17:35
tyhicksthat's probably all that I should commit to this week17:35
tyhicksI spent more time than I expected last week on the apparmor kernel memory bug triage (LP: #1375416) so my planned work for this week looks similar to last week17:36
tyhicksthat's it for me17:36
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1375416 in linux (Ubuntu) "AppArmor leaks kernel memory during profile reloads" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/137541617:36
tyhicksjj isn't here so it is sarnold's turn17:36
jdstrandI know the feeling regarding planned work looking similar...17:37
sarnoldI'm in happy place this week, on MIR duty; I still have ~five outstanding MIRs to work on, one is in progress17:38
sarnoldI'll try to quick-ack smallish apparmor patches this week, but longer / more involved patches just won't get any attention, sorry17:39
sarnoldI think that's it for me, chrisccoulson?17:40
tyhicksmaybe jjohansen should go now that he's here?17:51
tyhicksjjohansen: sarnold had passed chrisccoulson the mic just before you joined but we haven't heard from him17:51
jjohansenokay17:52
jjohansenso I am primary working on apparmor bugs this week17:52
jjohansenI need to look into 1373172, 1373174, and 137317617:52
jdstrandthe testsuite bugs. cool17:53
jjohansenand finish up with 1375417 and maybe poke at 1375416, and 137541017:53
jjohansenjdstrand: yep17:54
jdstrandcool17:54
jjohansenwe also need to decide if we want to push the fix for docker.io LP: #1371310 out to the phone kernels17:55
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1371310 in linux (Ubuntu) "docker.io doesn't work with apparmor 3.0 RC1 kernel" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/137131017:55
* jdstrand pauses17:55
jjohansenand if so send the pull request17:55
jdstrandjjohansen: I wasn't thinking we would. all the phone policy seems fine atm17:55
jdstrandjjohansen: I mean, we can for utopic to keep things tidy if people want17:56
jdstrandbut that bug on rtm kernels or even phablet utopic kernels doesn't bother me17:56
jjohansenyeah, I am not bothered by it eiterh17:57
jdstrandnow, if we have updates for other kernel bugs, sure, we can toss it in there17:57
jdstrandalright, let's not worry about it on phablet unless we can roll it in with other bug fixes17:58
jjohansenack17:59
jdstrandjjohansen: did you have anything else to report17:59
jdstrand?17:59
jjohansenokay, let see I have an embargo issue to look at closer, and some apparmor patches to upstream17:59
jjohansenwe also have apparmor 2.9 that we need to push out this week if there is going to be any chance of debian picking it up18:00
jjohansenthat is it for me18:00
jdstrandjjohansen: I think sbeattie is close to finalizing that. those testsuite bugs you mentioned and one other bug (1377338) are the only thing holding up 2.9 aiui18:02
jdstrandthings*18:02
jdstrandok18:02
jjohansenthat sounds about right18:03
jdstrandso, let's move on18:03
jdstrand[TOPIC] Highlighted packages18:03
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jdstrandThe Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so.18:03
jdstrandSee https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved.18:03
jdstrandhttp://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/fusionforge.html18:03
jdstrandhttp://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/iodine.html18:03
jdstrandhttp://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/pigz.html18:03
jdstrandhttp://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/cakephp.html18:03
jdstrandhttp://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/ekiga.html18:03
jdstrand[TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions18:03
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jdstrandDoes anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?18:03
jdstrandsbeattie, tyhicks, jjohansen, sarnold: thanks!18:05
jdstrand#endmeeting18:05
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meetingologyMeeting ended Mon Oct  6 18:05:36 2014 UTC.18:05
meetingologyMinutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-10-06-17.16.moin.txt18:05
sbeattiejdstrand: thanks!18:05
tyhicksthanks18:06
sarnoldthanks jdstrand18:07
jjohansenthanks jdstrand18:08
* cking wonders if he's too early or late for the meeting19:02
bdmurray!dmb-ping19:03
ubottubdrung, ScottK, Laney, micahg, xnox, bdmurray, stgraber: DMB ping19:03
* ScottK looks up19:04
bdmurraymicahg-work: are you here for the meeting?19:09
micahg-workyes19:10
bdmurraywell, that makes 3 if I am counting correctly19:11
ckingis that enough?19:11
bdmurraycking: its not enough for quorum for a vote.19:12
ScottKmicahg-work: Are you running the meeting?19:18
micahg-workdo we have quorum?19:19
ScottKmicahg-work: We can review cking's application and finish the vote via email if we don't.19:22
* cking would appreciate that :-)19:22
micahg-workok, wfm19:23
micahg-work#startmeeting Ubuntu Developer Membership Board19:23
meetingologyMeeting started Mon Oct  6 19:23:28 2014 UTC.  The chair is micahg-work. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.19:23
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micahg-workwelcome to the fortnightly DMB meeting19:23
micahg-work#topic Colin King applying for PPU (eventstat, forkstat, health-check, idlestat, powerstat, smemstat, stress-ng, thermald and fwts)19:25
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micahg-work#link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ColinKing/PPUApplicationTools19:25
micahg-workcking, care to introduce yourself?19:25
ckinghi there, I've been working with Ubuntu now for 6+ years and I work in the Ubuntu Kernel team19:26
ckingI like to focus on fixing bugs and improving code quality19:26
micahg-work#chair ScottK micahg-work19:26
meetingologyCurrent chairs: ScottK micahg-work19:26
ckingI'm also a Debian Maintainer for a bunch of packages: https://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=colin.king@canonical.com19:26
cking..I like to develop tools that help us find bugs and identify issues than need improving19:27
ckinghence I'm requesting per package upload rights for these tools as well as the firmware test suite which I developed too19:28
ckingis that enough?19:28
micahg-workI think so19:28
ScottKI see Lintian wants you to do a bit of man page work.  Any plans for that?19:29
ScottK#link https://lintian.debian.org/maintainer/colin.king@canonical.com.html19:30
ckingyes, I'm planning to get the packages lintian clean, some if this requires me working upstream with the developer, such as thermald19:30
ScottKIn the mean time, you can write the man pages and ship them in debian/.19:31
cking..as I like to get fixes upstream first so everyone can benefit19:31
ckingindeed, with idlestat, I was waiting for the next release of the code which is coming "real soon"-ish19:31
ScottKWhen one of your packages is uploaded, do you track that it makes from proposed to the release pocket?  If so, how?19:32
ckingthat's a good question, normally I give it a few days and when I'm not sure about the status I normally ask a fellow kernel team member to see what's happened19:32
ckingbut I should be more familiar with the exact process so I can be more on top of the situation19:33
ScottKFair enough.  We can talk about it after.19:33
ScottKWhich of your packages are seeded in Ubuntu images?19:34
ckingcurrently just thermald, it's tied closely to the kernel as it stops CPUs overheating now that we've enabled the intel-pstate driver in the kernel19:34
ScottKHow would you tell if any of the others had been added?19:35
ckingerm, I'm not sure, I'd have to research that out19:35
ScottKseeded-in-ubuntu in ubuntu-dev-tools is the usual answer.19:35
ckingok19:36
ScottKWhy would you care?  How would it affect if you were going to upload a package at a given time?19:36
ckingi'd care because it's a package that is automatically included.  if not seeded in ubuntu then users can opt in so it's a "less" critical  package19:37
ckingit also means I need to be really careful on the release cycle so I don't rush in any changes at a late stage. normally I want to ensure it's stable very early on to get enough soak time on it19:38
ScottKIf there's a freeze on for an alpha/beta milestone seeded packages don't transition from proposed to release for the images involved in the milestone.19:38
ckingok, got it19:40
micahg-workare there any times when you can't upload a package that's not seeded?19:40
ScottKFor future reference, for package migration you'll want to know about http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html and http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_output.txt - the latter takes some work to comprehend.  Don't worry about it now, have a look later.19:41
ckingmicahg-work, i must confess, I've not consider that before now19:42
ckingwhere would I find that policy out?19:42
micahg-workon the release schedule are links to each freeze and their respective policies: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UtopicUnicorn/ReleaseSchedule19:43
ScottKcking: What kind of changes would be OK for upload right now?19:45
ckingScottK, only bug fixes, and generally I'd only consider ones that were show-stoppers19:45
ScottKOK.19:45
ckingSRU-like fixes19:46
ScottKIf you had direct upload rights today and uploaded thermald, what would happen to it first?19:46
ckingwouldn't it go into -proposed?19:47
ckingthen only once it has passed certain tests it would go into the release pocket19:48
ScottKNo, since it's seeded it goes into unapproved and is reviewed by the release team before being manually accepted.19:48
ScottK(this happens after the last beta)19:48
micahg-workare you subscribed to ubuntu-devel-announce?19:48
ckingyep19:49
micahg-workFYI, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2014-September/001113.html was send about 2 weeks ago19:49
ckingoh, double check, I'm not 100% sure of that, I'm subscribed to quite a few, I need to look at my mail filters19:50
micahg-worksince we don19:50
* cking has seen that email, so I must be subscribe19:50
cking*subscribed19:50
micahg-worksince we don't have quorum, we can vote, but will have to finish on the ML19:50
micahg-work#voters bdmurray ScottK micahg-work19:51
meetingologyCurrent voters: ScottK bdmurray micahg-work19:51
ScottK+119:51
* ScottK wonders if he was too fast.19:51
micahg-work#vote Vote on Colin King getting upload rights to eventstat, forkstat, health-check, idlestat, powerstat, smemstat, stress-ng, thermald19:51
meetingologyPlease vote on: Vote on Colin King getting upload rights to eventstat, forkstat, health-check, idlestat, powerstat, smemstat, stress-ng, thermald19:51
meetingologyPublic votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)19:51
ScottKThere we go.19:52
ScottK+119:52
meetingology+1 received from ScottK19:52
* micahg-work believes upload rights exist for fwts already19:52
ckingoh, that's news to me, must because I was historically part of the Hardware Enablement Team19:53
ckingapologies for that19:53
micahg-worksorry, I might be mis-remembering19:53
micahg-workhere, let's make that more official just in case19:55
micahg-work#endvote19:55
meetingologyVoting ended on: Vote on Colin King getting upload rights to eventstat, forkstat, health-check, idlestat, powerstat, smemstat, stress-ng, thermald19:55
meetingologyVotes for:1 Votes against:0 Abstentions:019:55
meetingologyMotion carried19:55
micahg-work#vote Vote on Colin King getting upload rights to eventstat, forkstat, health-check, idlestat, powerstat, smemstat, stress-ng, thermald, fwts19:55
meetingologyPlease vote on: Vote on Colin King getting upload rights to eventstat, forkstat, health-check, idlestat, powerstat, smemstat, stress-ng, thermald, fwts19:55
meetingologyPublic votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)19:55
micahg-work+119:55
meetingology+1 received from micahg-work19:55
ScottK+119:56
meetingology+1 received from ScottK19:56
micahg-workbdmurray, did you want to vote now?19:56
bdmurray+119:58
meetingology+1 received from bdmurray19:58
NoskcajIs there still time for my MOTU application or should i just go and get breakfast?20:00
ckingthanks20:00
micahg-workNoskcaj, I think we're out of time on this one, are you available for the next meeting?20:00
ScottKNoskcaj: You're on for next time.20:01
Noskcajsigh, another month20:01
NoskcajWould anyone have 5 mins to check if i've done enough? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Noskcaj20:01
micahg-work#endvote20:02
meetingologyVoting ended on: Vote on Colin King getting upload rights to eventstat, forkstat, health-check, idlestat, powerstat, smemstat, stress-ng, thermald, fwts20:02
meetingologyVotes for:3 Votes against:0 Abstentions:020:02
meetingologyMotion carried20:02
micahg-workcking, we'll take the vote to the ML20:02
ScottKNoskcaj: My recollection is that when I read it, I was confused about what you were applying for and what endorsements were related.20:02
micahg-work#action micahg to follow up on ML with vote on Colin King's PPU application20:02
meetingologyACTION: micahg to follow up on ML with vote on Colin King's PPU application20:02
micahg-work#topic AOB20:03
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ScottKNothing here.20:03
NoskcajScottK, Applying for MOTU, Xubuntu Packageset, and whatever the recommended gnome one is (packageset or desktop-extra)20:03
ScottKDidn't you get Xubuntu last time?20:03
* ScottK may misremember.20:03
NoskcajScottK, I got 4 packages, 1 of which was dropped from xubuntu and from my maintenance20:04
* micahg-work would like to remind applicants to please send a mail to devel-permissions explaining what they're applying for per https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard#Application_process20:04
micahg-work#endmeeting20:04
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meetingologyMeeting ended Mon Oct  6 20:04:39 2014 UTC.20:04
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Noskcajmicahg-work, I think i did, although my email probably could have been better20:04
ScottKNow you have a chance to write a better one then.20:04
micahg-workNoskcaj, I didn't see it in the archive20:05
NoskcajOops, it went to developer-membership-board@lists.ubuntu.com20:05
micahg-workah, that would explain it :)20:05
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