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^barry^hello01:56
^barry^anyone know how to connect my ubuntu touch to my ubuntu desktop?01:57
dobey^barry^: connect how? if you plug it in, it shows up as an MTP device.02:26
pdxwebdevWhat is the menu called where you swipe downward and you get scrollable tabs saying 'battery' 'network' 'upcoming events' etc. is that the indicator menu?02:36
dobeyyes02:36
pdxwebdevIf I wanted to add another tab, which package would I edit?02:37
dobeywhatever one you create that adds an indicator02:38
pdxwebdevI know about .desktop files and .settings files. does adding an indicator menu tab work similarly?02:39
pdxwebdevI guess I'm just lost on how to even go about affecting indicator menu in any way.02:40
dobeypdxwebdev: i don't know exactly, but i'm pretty sure that "adding indicators from your app" is not part of the sdk, and there is no intention to allow additional indicators03:19
dobeyiow, the notification icons is one of the huge problems on android, and the design we have for ubuntu is to try and avoid getting into that situation03:20
pdxwebdevunderstandable.03:22
pdxwebdevI think i'm looking to add a system indicator, not an app indicator03:23
dobeywhat kind of indicator?03:23
pdxwebdevI'm prototyping an authentication framework to be used on the entire phone03:23
pdxwebdevSo I'm trying to add a new tab to the indicator menu along side the "transfers" "network" etc.03:24
dobeyit would help when developing stuff, to not think of it as explicitly "for the phone" as such, given we are pushing toward a converged system03:24
pdxwebdevThis is something that would be baked into the OS, not an app you would download03:24
dobeypdxwebdev: i'd suggest talking to security and design about what you want to do then03:25
pdxwebdevI have been in contact with them and they requested a demo. So I'm just trying to put something together for them to look at.03:25
pdxwebdevTo see if they would be interested.03:26
dobeypersonally, i'd suggest that an indicator is probably the wrong solution for whatever it is you want to do with the indicator03:26
dobey(there are too many indicators already, really)03:27
pdxwebdevI agree, but I do what to offer the user a quick way to  access this feature.03:29
pdxwebdevAs far as I can tell, the indicator pull down menu appears to be the fastest/most convenient03:29
pdxwebdevI'm open to suggestions, however.03:30
dobeywell considering i have no idea wha tthe "feature" is exactly, i can't really suggest anything :)03:31
pdxwebdevit would be a qr scanning mechanism used for authentication.03:31
pdxwebdevSo a web site presents a qr code. you scan it to sign in or register.03:31
dobeypresents the qr code where?03:32
pdxwebdevon the site itself, instead of presenting a login or registration form, it presents a qr code. you scan that from your phone and poof, ur in.03:33
pdxwebdevI wanted to place this in the indicator area due to the likelyhood of frequent use.03:34
dobeythat doesn't sound very secure or user-friendly to me, but it sounds like the place where you should be implementing something is in the browser itself.03:34
pdxwebdevIt's difficult to explain.03:34
dobeythe qr code is a second factor auth metchanism? so the user would scan the code presented on their pc, with the phone?03:36
pdxwebdevcorrect03:37
pdxwebdevIt's very secure, when you compare it with username/password auth03:38
dobeysounds like it should just be an app, and if a user uses a web site that uses such a method, they can pin that app to their launcher for quick access03:38
pdxwebdevright, but what about authenticating for apps on the phone?03:38
dobeythen they'll need another phone i guess, to scan the qr code. otherwise it's not exactly a second factor auth mechanism03:39
pdxwebdevsorry, I overlooked the 'second factor' statement. it would be single factor03:40
dobeyoh03:40
pdxwebdevthe qr scanning would be enough.03:41
dobeythen like i said before, the place to implement it would be the browser itself03:41
pdxwebdevI'm implementing a portable identity.03:42
dobeybut i also think it's not very secure or user-friendly03:42
pdxwebdevTo auth inside and outside of the phone.03:42
pdxwebdevImplementing in the browser would leave the user's identity in the browser.03:43
dobeyimplementing in the browser is the only way to get the qr code out of the browser. unless you require users to have a second phone03:43
pdxwebdevoh, yeah, I have another mechanism for that.03:44
dobeyor at least a mirror or usb-otg webcam or something03:44
pdxwebdevIt's clear to me that this needs to be below the app layer. I've already added an extra step to the welcome wizard, an icon in system settings, and now the last piece is the indicator menu.03:46
pdxwebdevSo I'll keep digging.03:46
dobeyi don't understand why there needs to be anything at the system layer for this. nothing needs to be in the welcome wizard for logging into a random web site that might implement this auth scheme.03:49
pdxwebdevIt's an identity management layer. basically turning your phone into the host of your social network.03:51
pdxwebdevgiving social structure to your contacts03:51
pdxwebdevother features as well03:52
dobeyand what if i lose my phone in a taxi or something?03:52
dobeyjust doesn't seem practical to me *shrug*03:54
dobeyanyway, late here, so i should go03:54
pdxwebdevthere are challenges. the cloud isn't perfect either.03:54
pdxwebdevthanks for you suggestions. I'll keep trucking ;)03:56
rigvedhi everyone06:35
rigvedhow will ubuntu touch be supported on the nexus 7 2013 version? any plans released?06:35
rigved*how long06:35
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oSoMoNis it a known issue that the name "HERE" is incorrectly translated to French in the location indicator pulldown menu?09:38
ogra_oSoMoN, there was a translation hint added very recently09:39
ogra_https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/utopic/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/0.3+14.10.20140925-0ubuntu109:39
oSoMoNok, so it’s just a matter of fixing the existing translations, then09:39
ogra_seems thats bug 136883809:40
ubot5bug 1368838 in ubuntu-system-settings (Ubuntu) "HERE needs translator comment" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/136883809:40
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jibeloSoMoN, I already fixed the string and the French team reviewed it09:43
oSoMoNjibel, excellent!09:43
jibeloSoMoN, we need a new export of the lang pack I guess09:43
JamesTaitGood morning all; happy Monday, and happy Ecological Debt Day! :-D09:43
tetraquark1Я здесь: Praha 6, Чехия10:26
mptWell, that was weird. I connected my phone to my PC to charge, and it got into an endless loop of restarting the phone every ~30 seconds, and “Unable to mount Android” and “Unable to mount Nexus 4” errors on the PC10:39
mptGot out of it by connecting the phone directly to power instead10:40
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mardydednick: hi! Is there a way to know if a given PID has a mir connection open (what I need to know, is if I can open a trust session having this PID as initiator)?11:07
dednickmardy: from an external process? no.11:07
dednickmardy: best to ask in #unity-mir though. i'm not 100%11:08
dednick#ubuntu-mir i mean11:08
dednickmardy: ^11:08
mardydednick: thanks, I'll ask there too11:10
mardyt1mp: do you know the answer to this (or do you know who could know)? http://askubuntu.com/questions/532516/how-to-change-the-font-style-of-a-listitem11:12
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t1mpmardy: I answered the question on https://askubuntu.com/questions/532516/how-to-change-the-font-style-of-a-listitem/532796#53279611:36
t1mpmardy: unfortunately it doesn't help you much :(11:36
mardyt1mp: that's anyway informative, thanks11:38
t1mpmardy: if you look at the code of, for example, SingleValue, you will see that it is relatively simple11:38
nerochiarojhodapp: hi, I'm trying to see signals from the hub on DBUS, but i only see the ones on the org.mprisMediaPlayer2.Player interface. I don't see any from the hub itself. Shouldn't it use the com.ubuntu.media.Player interface ?11:39
t1mpmardy: you could copy that code (and copy LabelVisual as well) as a base for your own component, if you decide to do that11:39
jhodappnerochiaro, hey there, you're looking on the session bus right?11:39
nerochiarojhodapp: yes, i assume dbus-monitor uses that by default11:40
jhodappnerochiaro, I forget, but you can specify it with --session11:41
nerochiarojhodapp: ok, confirmed with --session11:42
jhodappnerochiaro, confirmed the same thing or you can see the signals you need to see?11:43
nerochiarojhodapp: dbus-monitor --session "type=signal" | grep -i media doesn't get any signal that is not from MPRIS11:43
nerochiarojhodapp: and from what i can see from the hub sources it should use another interface. is that correct ?11:44
jhodappnerochiaro, have you tried without a filter? you should definitely at least see a position retrieval periodically when playing media11:44
jhodappnerochiaro, yeah it does11:44
nerochiarojhodapp: on what interface ?11:45
jhodappnerochiaro, forget offhand, let me look at the code11:46
jhodappnerochiaro, core.ubuntu.media.Service.Player11:50
mardyMirv: I added you as reviewer for https://code.launchpad.net/~mardy/ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts/lp1342031/+merge/237244, when you have a minute11:52
nerochiarojhodapp: so dbus-monitor --session "type=signal,interface='core.ubuntu.media.Service.Player'" shows signals for you when you play a video in mediaplayer-app ?11:54
jhodappnerochiaro, I've not tried any filtering before11:54
jhodappnerochiaro, have you tried without any filtering?11:55
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nerochiarojhodapp: yes, dbus-monitor --session | grep Player | grep ubuntu doesn't show anything (i can't really do without grep, there is too much noise on the bus)11:56
jhodappnerochiaro, try without a grep once, see if you get Position back while playing music11:56
nerochiarojhodapp: ok, i'll pipe it to less and look manually through the noise. but it's a good way to miss stuff11:57
nerochiarojhodapp: grep seems more reliable than my eyes11:57
jhodappnerochiaro, yes indeed, I just want to ensure that you're getting something11:57
jhodappnerochiaro, then we can try a filter11:58
nerochiarojhodapp: btw, i'm playing videos,not music, does that make a difference ?11:59
jhodappnerochiaro, well for this test try music, should produce the least amount of noise11:59
nerochiarojhodapp: playing music i get a lot of method call sender=:1.176 -> dest=core.ubuntu.media.Service serial=125 path=/core/ubuntu/media/Service/sessions/0; interface=org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties; member=Get12:03
nerochiaro   string "org.mpris.MediaPlayer2.Player"12:03
nerochiaro   string "Position"12:03
jhodappnerochiaro, yes, so that's correct12:04
jhodappnerochiaro, so now you've verified the interface12:04
* jhodapp brb12:05
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nerochiarojhodapp: ok, let's take a step back. what I'm trying to understand is what is behind AalMediaPlayerService::core::ubuntu::media::Player::set_playback_complete_callback in terms of DBUS signals12:08
nerochiarojhodapp: in other words, what is the signal we are attaching in qtubunt-media that comes from media-hub to signal the end of playback12:09
nerochiaro?12:09
jhodappnerochiaro, right, try watching for that with music once12:20
jhodappnerochiaro, it'll be easier to see12:20
nerochiarojhodapp: i don't get it12:20
jhodappnerochiaro, let me see if I can catch it for you12:20
nerochiarojhodapp: caught it ?12:35
jhodappnerochiaro, not yet, having an issue with media-hub on one device, trying the other12:35
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jhodappnerochiaro, ok, got it12:41
jhodappnerochiaro, let me pastebin it12:41
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jhodappnerochiaro, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/850714012:44
jhodappnerochiaro, EndOfStream12:45
nerochiarojhodapp: ok, i wouldn't have guessed that that signal mapped to playback_complete. where in the code you see that ? (so that i don't have to ask these kind of questions again in the future wasting everyone's time)12:47
jhodappnerochiaro, it's no problem to ask, happy to help12:48
jhodappnerochiaro, one sec12:48
jhodappnerochiaro, you're wondering where in qtubuntu-media this gets mapped?12:49
nerochiarojhodapp: yes12:50
jhodappnerochiaro, look in aalmediaplayerservice.cpp:7712:52
nerochiarojhodapp: what i see there is the point where qtubuntu-media connects to a callback called "playback_complete", but how do you know that playback_complete maps to the EndOfStream signal from DBUS ?12:55
jhodappnerochiaro, because of the media-hub-client12:55
jhodappnerochiaro, player_stub.cpp12:55
jhodappnerochiaro, the m_hubPlayerSession->set_playback_complete_callback() is calling the media-hub client library12:57
nerochiarojhodapp: ok, that was the piece i was missing12:57
nerochiarojhodapp: the split of the hub between the server and a client lib12:57
jhodappexactly12:57
jhodappnerochiaro, just keep asking questions, I've looked at this a lot so I'm not sure what's not obvious anymore :)12:58
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nerochiarojhodapp: will do. thanks13:01
jhodappnp13:01
nerochiarojhodapp: so I think the problem I was chasing last week seems to be rooted in the fact that the EndOfStream signal is on the bus, but the client library doesn't seem to receive it13:17
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gatoxkenvandine, hi, can i ask you for a review here: https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntu-system-settings/display-errors/+merge/235037 - https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntu-system-settings/account-detected/+merge/23631313:23
jhodappnerochiaro, ok, it'd be interesting to put a debug output on the EndOfStream signal emission (server side) and on the client side13:24
kenvandinegatox, sure13:24
gatoxkenvandine, thx13:24
nerochiarojhodapp: i did that last week, and the client side doesn't get received. since i see it on the bus, i assume the debug output if I put it on the emission will be there13:25
nerochiarojhodapp: i mean, there's no debug printout on the client side13:25
jhodappnerochiaro, now that's interesting13:26
jhodappnerochiaro, might want to ask tvoss about that since it's using dbus-cpp13:26
jhodappnerochiaro, might be a dbus-cpp bug13:27
jhodappnerochiaro, perhaps a race condition13:27
nerochiarojhodapp: it doesn't happen all the time, just when i destroy the Video component in QML and recreate it13:27
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jhodappnerochiaro, yes, sounds perhaps like a race condition indeed13:27
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brendandjgdx, i need to confirm one more bug fix then i'll try to see if i can find some repro steps13:35
jgdxbrendand, cool, thanks13:35
brendandjgdx, maybe it has something to do with connecting from the wizard?13:35
jgdxbrendand, I can repro it consistenly by forgetting the currently connected one.13:36
jgdxnot sure the wizard is involved, it's pretty generic stuff (networkmanager)13:36
brendandjgdx, yeah but just now i tried having created a new connection and it didn't work13:37
brendandi mean it did work :)13:37
jgdxerr ;:p13:37
jgdxkenvandine, that silo stops my krillin from bootin'13:37
jgdxkenvandine, 2013:37
jgdxis weird13:37
kenvandineweird13:38
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jgdxbrendand, you created a new connection, and when you entered previous networs you were connected to it. Forgetting it brought you back to previous or wifi?13:40
brendandjgdx, yeah if you forget the network you are connected to then it goes to wifi, otherwise previous networks13:42
brendandjgdx, i can either file a bug or you can rework the silo13:43
brendandjgdx, not sure which one is faster13:43
mterrykenvandine, if you have time for https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/ubuntu-system-settings/wizard-refresh-take-6/+merge/235720 today, I will give you a virtual hug13:43
jgdxbrendand, what ever you think is right. I think maybe this makes the branch WIP.13:44
brendandjgdx, no - we'll do whatever takes the least amount of time - if you need to, discuss it with kenvandine13:45
jgdxbrendand, new bug then :)13:45
* mpt wonders why the latest devel image is reported as “Ubuntu 14.10 (r3)”13:46
mptLatest proposed, I mean13:46
jgdxbrendand, then we could have some text added to an empty "previous networks" as well, or change the behaviour of the "Previous networks" list item if there are none.13:46
brendandmpt, what's the channel?13:47
brendandmpt, ubuntu-touch/ubuntu-rtm/14.09?13:47
jgdxmpt, ^ what do you think. If there are no previous networks, should the list item that opens the "previous networks" page be insensitive? Or placeholder text?13:47
jgdxI can't seem to find that in the spec.13:47
mptbrendand, “Ubuntu Utopic Unicorn (development branch) - armhf (20140929-030205)”13:47
ogra_mpt, becaue it reads the value from files we can not change without breaking the whole infrastructure (and all packages)13:48
mptjgdx, ohhh, you caught me not following my own spec checklist — always specify what happens when a collection has zero items :-)13:48
brendandmpt, system-image-cli -i13:48
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mptbrendand, in the terminal on the phone?13:49
brendandmpt, yes13:49
mptLOL, it’s bent like a CRT13:50
mptAh, I installed ubuntu-rtm/devel by mistake … I guess Mako isn’t an important target for RTM :-)13:51
brendandmpt, yeah - retro13:51
ogra_mpt, bug 1362496 ... there was also a more detailed explanation about lsb-release/os-release changes by cjwatson that sadly isnt in a public ML13:51
ubot5bug 1362496 in base-files (Ubuntu-rtm 14.09) "LSB release and /etc/os-release still say "Utopic", needs to be RTM" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/136249613:51
brendandmpt, no i think that might be the right alias13:51
jgdxmpt, do I win anything?13:51
brendandmpt, yes that is the 'promoted' image13:52
brendandmpt, it's the most well tested image for RTM13:52
brendandmpt, which is not to say it's the one that works best :P13:53
ogra_it definitely lacks fixes the newer image have :)13:53
ogra_*images13:53
brendandmpt, everything ok then or were you looking for a different channel?14:14
mptjgdx, you win a free spec update. <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Networking?action=diff&rev2=246&rev1=245>14:16
mptbrendand, yeah, I’m just bothered that when I report bugs I include the image version number but it seems … non-unique14:16
brendandmpt, it's not unique by itself14:17
brendandmpt, you need to include the device and channel too14:17
brendandmpt, you can use ubuntu-bug on RTM if you specify APPORT_DISABLE_DISTRO_CHECK=114:18
jgdxmpt, yay14:18
popeyted: your app startup app seems broken. on my device it's not showing any app starts newer than 4th sept14:23
tedpopey, Hmm, we should ping QA to see if they're still generating the results.14:27
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jgdxhey brendand, that prev network branch went through?15:11
cyphermox_mzanetti: are you the right person to deal with qtubuntu, re bug 135732115:13
ubot5bug 1357321 in qtbase-opensource-src (Ubuntu) "QNetworkAccessManager doesn't support roaming on Ubuntu" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/135732115:13
cyphermox_ie. making use of connectivity-api whether it's possible, instead of QNetworkAccessManager?15:14
cyphermox_lpotter: hey15:14
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mzanetticyphermox: he started today with us and timezone is Australia... but yeah, I think he's gonna pick this one up15:15
cyphermoxmzanetti: ah, that's why I didn't recognize the name ;)15:16
brendandjgdx, not yet. going to do it now15:16
kenvandinebrendand, thanks!15:16
jgdxbrendand, thank you15:16
cyphermoxmzanetti: still, what are your thoughts on porting things to use connectivity-api instead?15:16
mzanetticyphermox: define "things"15:16
cyphermoxis it even possible considering the api requires indicator-network?15:16
cyphermoxmzanetti: scopes, apps15:16
mzanetti-115:16
cyphermoxcare to expand? :)15:17
mzanettiI don't like replacing existing upstream Qt api's with custom ones15:17
cyphermoxor you know, maybe let's take this to the bug report directly instead, so tere's a clear trace of decisions15:17
mzanetticyphermox: apps would need to #ifdef ubuntu everything related to network15:18
cyphermoxmzanetti: I don't either, but this is special15:18
cyphermoxare apps, being confined, even able to speak to NM via Qt to get the information?15:18
cyphermoxie. is it done centrally somehow, or per-app?15:18
mzanettiyeah, you should have only one QNetworkAccessManager per app15:18
cyphermoxthat's not what I meant15:19
cyphermoxbut if there's one per app; if apps can't access NM, it won't help them15:19
cyphermoxthe purpose of connectivity-api is to have one trusted way to get connectivity information for any apps or scopes or whatnot rather than digging into the NM api15:20
brendandjgdx, a bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/137799115:20
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1377991 in ubuntu-system-settings (Ubuntu) "[WiFi] Forgetting network from Previous Networks screen goes back to WiFi screen if the AP in question was connected" [Undecided,New]15:20
brendandjgdx, now i'll sign it off15:20
jgdxbrendand, thanks!15:20
mzanetticyphermox: what do you mean with digging into the NM api?15:24
cyphermoxmzanetti: you need to get things from NM, via DBus, when you use QNetworkAccessManager to figure out whether you're connected and such15:25
cyphermoxmzanetti: security concerns were that there are tons of things exposed in the NM DBus API; so it's not supposed to be included in what apps can use15:26
cyphermoxmzanetti: however, connectivity-api is a "trusted helper", which does have the ability to speak to NM for you to get the information you need15:26
mzanetticyphermox: hmm... I don't know how that stuff is implemented in the backend, but seems to me like connectivity-service should be used as between QtNetwork and actual NM15:26
cyphermoxmzanetti: i have no idea how much this affects you15:27
cyphermoxconnectivity-service doesn't appear to use QtNetwork15:27
cyphermox(at least to my untrained eye)15:27
mzanettino, the other way round15:27
cyphermoxperhaps15:27
mzanettibut again, I don't know how pluggable QtNetwork backends are15:27
cyphermoxbut I haven't seen a connectivity-api bearer plugin15:27
cyphermoxif we had that in the first place, there probably wouldn't be this conversation :)15:28
mzanettiheh, probably15:28
cyphermoxhehe15:28
mzanettiwell, lets see Lorn's verdict15:28
cyphermoxanyway, all good if someone is looking into it, yes15:28
cyphermoxfixing the bearer will bring good anyway15:29
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tsdgeosrenatu: https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/dialer-app/addi18ntr not into a release yet?15:34
renatutsdgeos, boiko and bfiller can help you with that15:36
tsdgeosbfiller: ↑↑15:37
bfillertsdgeos: in a silo now15:37
bfillersilo 3 on rtm15:38
tsdgeosbfiller: cool :)15:38
sil2100bfiller: hey! Do you know from boiko if the ubuntu-rtm dialer-app failures got already fixed?15:40
bfillersil2100: I don't think they have yet15:42
bfillertrying to reproduce them with our silo15:43
bfillersil2100: does it occur on krillin or just mako?15:43
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sil2100bfiller: those were reproducible on both mako and krillin IIRC15:46
sil2100bfiller: we know krillin for sure, let me check if mako still15:46
jgdxI'm an uncle, so later!15:53
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Isotop7is there anything i need to activate besides the notification in the system settings and the permissions for each app to generate notifications? Apps like facebook and gmail dont generate messages...i use a make device with dualbooted ubuntu touch.16:07
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kenvandineWellark, how can i tell which context is the currently used one?16:40
dobeyIsotop7: did you sign into those services under "Accounts" in system settings?16:41
kenvandineWellark, i think it's failing to activate it, but no errors are thrown16:41
Isotop7dobey: i activated notifications in the notifications menu and gave all permissions in the account menu...16:57
dobeyIsotop7: did you only log in to facebook through the app, or did you sign in in the accounts settings as well?16:58
Isotop7dobey: im logged in in the facebook app and i registered my account and gave the permission to notify me...i could try to delete the account and resign it on the ubuntu....17:00
* dobey thinks there is a communication problem here17:01
dobeyIsotop7: if you open System Settings, and then in there tap on 'Accounts', is Facebook listed in the accounts?17:03
dobeyerr17:03
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dobeyis "Facebook" listed as a logged in account; not in the list of new account types you can create, that is17:04
Isotop7dobey: i have a signed in account in the ubuntu account menu...17:05
dobeyok17:05
dobeyChipaca, ralsina_: ^^17:06
ralsina_Isotop7: inside the account in settings, you may see a " notifications" switch, you need to enable it17:07
ralsina_Isotop7: facebook doesn't work currently (needs special magic credentials)17:08
Chipacawas about to say, facebook still needs frobbing17:09
Chipacai don't know the particular frobbage17:09
Isotop7ralsina_: i activated this also... why isnt it working? isnt it a problem that the developers just framing the webapps? wouldnt it be much better to build native apps? Are there any official apps which support notifications?17:13
ralsina_Isotop7: I know at least twitter works because I use it :-)17:14
ralsina_Isotop7: would I like to have native twitter apps? Sure. But we also want webapps to be integrated and support push notifications.17:14
ralsina_Isotop7: do you also have a u1 account created?17:15
Isotop7ralsina_: yes i have everything connected except flickr because i wanted to test the notifications :D17:15
Wellarkkenvandine: yeah, debugging with awe and cyphermox17:16
ralsina_Isotop7: then I probably need the push client logs and the account-polld logs17:16
Isotop7ralsina: ok...i didnt know that there were webapps which support a kind of api to generate notifications on a mobile phone...17:16
Isotop7ralsina_: okay...do i get them via adb in the normal /var/log directory?17:17
ralsina_Isotop7: well, it's a bit more complicated than that, but yes, in the end that works :-)17:17
ralsina_Isotop7: there is a logviewer app in the store that makes it easy17:17
ralsina_http://victorpalau.net/2014/01/08/ubuntu-touch-logviewer/17:17
Isotop7ralsina_ : yeah im sorry for my lack of knowledge but i like to think positive :D17:17
Isotop7ralsina: oh thank you :)17:18
ralsina_Isotop7: I need to go get lunch, but please pastebin wherever and I'll take a look right away17:19
Isotop7oh thanks :)17:19
Wellarkkenvandine: seems like NM or something is broken :(17:20
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n-iCedid the ubuntu phone os got stable?17:43
lotuspsychjen-iCe: RTM is out and already nice and stable17:44
nhaineslotuspsychje: no it's not.17:44
lotuspsychjenhaines: cant it run on devices yet?17:44
nhaineslotuspsychje: there is no RTM release yet.17:45
n-iCeoh17:45
n-iCeso it is not stable?17:45
n-iCeI have a N517:45
lotuspsychjewel developer version seems stable for my n717:45
nhainesn-iCe: it's pretty stable if you stay on the promoted builds.  Either devel or ubuntu-rtm/14.0917:45
n-iCedo you guys use it a daily driver?17:46
nhainesI have an N5 too and except for lack of bluetooth support it's pretty nice.17:46
nhainesI don't use it as a daily driver because there's no bluetooth and Unity 8 keeps locking up, but the Unity issue has been fixed, I think.  I need Android-only apps still for the moment though.17:46
popeyits my daily phone17:46
n-iCeI use bluetooth a lot17:47
n-iCeso no way I can use the ROM.17:47
nhaineslotuspsychje: "there's a developer version that works well" isn't the same as "it's been released to manufacturers and is production ready."17:47
nhainesn-iCe: with MultiROM Manager you can dualboot and test it out.  That's worth doing at least once.  :)17:47
n-iCeI have, months ago17:47
nhainesDesign is very different now.17:48
lotuspsychjedifferent how17:48
n-iCeis it?17:49
nhainesMultitasking is better, indicator menus don't lag...17:49
n-iCeis that design?17:49
nhainesThe app switcher is design.17:50
nhainesSpeaking of, scopes are very interesting now.17:50
lotuspsychjeand handy ubuntu app store17:51
n-iCeoh is there an app store now?!17:51
n-iCeis whatsapp ready?17:51
nhainesIt's a fullblown scope.17:51
nhainesWhatsapp will never be ready.17:51
lotuspsychjelol17:52
Isotop7epic fail :D17:52
Isotop7if you want to run whatsapp, youll never gonna use ubuntu touch17:52
n-iCethen it is not for me17:52
n-iCecan't live without it.17:52
Isotop7do think about apps like telegram or something like that :)17:52
n-iCehow can you :p ?17:52
lotuspsychjewell at least ubuntu touch is safe to use17:52
nhainesn-iCe: I've never used it nor do I care to.  Easy.  :P17:53
Isotop7you have to keep in mind on what ubuntu touch is aiming on...17:53
n-iCenhaines: I bet is because of your country17:53
n-iCeIsotop7: what is that17:53
nhainesOnce Ubuntu gets big, Whatsapp may follow.  But they shutdown the community port.17:54
Isotop7n-iCe: https://telegram.org/17:54
n-iCeIsotop7: people here does not use that17:55
Isotop7i dont think it will ever be featured...they pursue people who try to build apis...they dont like open stuff....17:55
Isotop7where do you come from? :D17:55
n-iCeMéxico, 99% of Mexicans use whatsapp.17:55
Isotop7maybe these are just your personal pfer17:56
Isotop7*preferences :D17:56
n-iCemobile phone providers give whatsapp for free17:56
* mhall119 finds the 99% figure dubious17:56
lotuspsychjelol17:56
Isotop7okay...i dont know much about mexico but this is very sad....17:56
Isotop7in germany people use clients like whistle.im, telegram, threema or minor clients...17:56
* lotuspsychje thinks many users are addicted to their smartphones too much...17:56
Tassadarthat would mean 99% have smartphone17:57
* popey prints out and frames "18:51:57 < nhaines> Whatsapp will never be ready."17:57
n-iCe99% using smartphones of course...17:57
popey[CITATION NEEDED]17:57
Tassadar[ACTUAL SIZE]17:57
mhall119as nhaines said though, only WhatsApp (now Facebook) can bring WhatsApp support to Ubuntu, or any other platform, and they've so far been very restrictive about what they allow17:57
lotuspsychjeTassadar: even if people are poor, they got smartphone anways :p17:58
mhall119even Android tablets and iPad don't have WhatsApp clients17:58
Tassadarwhy do you even need whatsapp, to me it looks like just another proprietary IM thingy17:58
n-iCethe thing is17:59
n-iCeI need it :)17:59
mhall119Tassadar: same reason people need Facebook, because that's what everybody they want to talk to is using17:59
n-iCeubuntu phone is just not for me :p, thank you guys for all the info!17:59
mhall119n-iCe: sorry to hear that, but do keep an eye on it because someday it might be17:59
lotuspsychjelol17:59
Tassadaranother ICQ then17:59
mhall119Tassadar: basically, yeah17:59
popey1131762217:59
* mhall119 never actually used ICQ17:59
lotuspsychjesoon it might be the most popular mobile Os18:00
* Tassadar looks at jabber and cries18:00
popeyI used it in 199618:00
ogra_Tassadar, depends which country you are in ... whatsapp is the #1 messaging service in germany ... beating even SMS by factor three18:00
nhainesI last used it in 1998.18:00
dobeyICQ is a mobile OS?18:00
ogra_(i dont use it either and i'm german ... but i read the stats)18:00
Isotop7I think tassadar is right...everybody thinks he needs to use it because everybody thinks he needs to use it :D18:00
nhainesdobey: first mass-adopted instant messaging software.18:00
lotuspsychjedobey: lol i was talking about ubuntu touch :p18:00
dobeynhaines: i know what icq is18:01
mhall119Isotop7: there's some truth to that, the main benefit of messaging services isn't their actual capability, it's who you can talk to with them18:01
nhainesTassadar: do you work on the N5 community port or just run the build services?18:01
* mzanetti can't believe he still remembers his ICQ number from 200218:01
dobey2002?18:01
dobeynoob.18:02
* mhall119 can't believe mzanetti started using ICQ in 200218:02
ogra_Isotop7, well, you use what your friends use18:02
mzanettihaha :D18:02
Tassadarmostly just run the server (I don't have to do anything to it, it is automated), sometimes I poke at it a little bit (like I fixed the backlight issue a while ago)18:02
ogra_Isotop7, its a peer pressure thing18:02
mzanettiwell, can't remember when it actually was18:02
mzanettibut yeah... at earliest 200 I think...18:02
Tassadar416623426 lol, I remember it too :D18:02
nhainesMine was 217XXXX but I don't remember it anymore.  I could probably figure it out  :)18:02
mzanetti200018:02
nhainesI vaguely miss using Trillian.  Empathey and Pidgin are great but I miss the emoticons.  :P18:03
* mhall119 remembers Trillian18:03
* popey hugs bitlbee18:03
mzanetti+118:03
nhainesTassadar: ah, I was wondering if there was anything I could do to kick the bluetooth stack on N5.18:03
Tassadaryou could fix it :x18:03
mhall119I used Trillian up until I discovered Gaim (now Pidgin)18:03
lotuspsychje<lotuspsychje> !info bitlbee18:03
lotuspsychje<ubottu> bitlbee (source: bitlbee): An IRC to other chat networks gateway (default version). In component universe, is optional. Version 3.2.1+otr4-1 (trusty), package size 196 kB, installed size 665 kB18:03
Isotop7meine meinung, ogra_18:03
dobeyi miss all the random "help me learn english please" requests on icq from chinese/russian girls18:03
dobeyyeah nhaines, fix it18:04
Isotop7yeah...these times were marvelous :D18:04
lotuspsychjeand then all the underground icq hacking toolz18:05
nhainesI don't know how to fix it.  But sometimes I'm annoyed enough to want to try anyway.18:05
Isotop7billions and billions of aftermarket emojis....18:05
dobey+++ath18:05
dobeybest hacking tool evar18:05
nhainesHa, those were the days.18:06
dobeyemoticons18:06
dobeynot emojis18:06
Tassadarnhaines: I dunno either, I'd have to do research too18:06
nhainesIs bluetooth at least working and stable on N4?18:06
lotuspsychjeand now the whole world is vunerable18:06
Isotop7im so sorry, dobey :D18:06
dobeyand if you insist on being a faux japanophile, emoji18:06
Isotop7it is nhaines!18:07
Tassadarmight be something stupid like missing config option or something entirely differnt18:07
dobeynhaines: afaik yes, but i can't stand looking at the n4; i only use it to test things :)18:07
nhainesIsotop7: good, because that's the requisite to me wasting time trying to fix the N5.  :P18:07
nhainesdobey: N4 screens are potatoes next to the N5.  :)18:08
dobeyTassadar: or probably some crazy driver thing18:08
dobeynhaines: it's not just the screen. the phone itself just looks so fragile and too glossy18:08
Isotop7dont talk about n4s...the back of mine broke saturday night...it looks awful....but i dont know how to port it to my samsung galaxy s4...so i have to use this little shitty brick with this damn nice ubuntu :)18:09
ogra_it is october already ... before end of the year you will be able to buy an ubuntu phone ;)18:10
nhainesogra_: If they have working bluetooth I'll consider it.  ;)18:10
lotuspsychjeogra_: sounds promising18:11
ogra_indeed they will :)18:11
* popey plays music on a bluetooth speaker from his ubuntu phone18:11
dobeynhaines: are you in the US?18:11
ogra_popey, ssshhh18:11
ogra_!18:11
nhainesActually, I'm torn.  Obviously I want to support Ubuntu and help sales.  On the other hand, I want a convergence-ready device without buying another phone in two more years.  :P18:11
nhainesdobey: I am.18:11
* lotuspsychje plays video's from popey's youtube app18:11
popey"app"18:11
mhall119"popey's"18:11
rickspencer3is this the right place to log bugs for the sound indicator on the phone?18:11
rickspencer3https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-sound/18:11
ogra_rickspencer3, yes18:12
dobeynhaines: just fix bt on n5 :)18:12
vitimitiHi18:12
nhainesdobey: I'll trade Canonical a fix for BT on N5 if they send me a krillin device for differential troubleshooting.  ;)18:13
Isotop7so ubuntu touch is rather focused to release customized build to new devices then porting it down to the most recent devices?18:13
nhainesIsotop7: Ubuntu's focused on getting the OS and SDK and APIs right.18:13
ogra_Isotop7, it is focused on getting the first stable release out18:13
nhainesPorting to any device is the manufacturer's job.18:13
ogra_Isotop7, once where is an actual stable base porting will be a lot easier to handle18:13
Isotop7okay...seems about right...18:14
Tassadarand an updated guide)18:14
ogra_the current prob with ports is that most of them were against quantal and never updated ...18:14
ogra_once we have a stable base updating the docs, providing some scripts etc will be easy18:14
Isotop7"was der bauer nicht kennt, frisst er nicht!"18:15
Tassadaryeah, some xda people have attention span of a goldfish18:15
ogra_especially for devices that are already supported by the AOSP tree18:15
nhainesogra_: should probably have a portpocalypse and clear up that wiki page.  :)18:15
nhainesIsotop7: quite so!18:15
Isotop7Tassadar: dont let them hear that :D :D18:15
Tassadarthey don't care18:15
Tassadar..at least not for very long <_<18:16
nhaineshahaha18:17
Isotop7lol18:18
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nhainesWhat I'd really like is Bluetooth HID support on my phone.  :)18:23
nhainesOnscreen keyboards make me want to punch a kitten.18:25
cwaynethat escalated quickly18:25
Isotop7wow...that must be a pain in the ass for you :D18:25
* Tassadar imagines on-screen keyboard where all the keys are differnt kinds of kittens18:26
nhainesTassadar: and the feedback sound is "mewr"18:26
Tassadarall you type is lolspeak18:26
dobeynhaines: i just want a hardware keyboard in the phone18:27
dobeyah lolspeak18:27
dobey"if you put 'lol' in as part of the name, then people will think it's funny"18:27
nhainesdobey: I would very much enjoy a hardware keyboard.  I miss my T-Mobile G1.  :)18:28
dobeythis is how i feel about things like "lolspeak" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HicYNBTpK018:30
dobeyhow does one get the infographics stuff working again? my phone has said "No data sources available" for many weeks now (or months maybe)19:14
ahayzendobey, possibly this bug 137250219:23
ubot5bug 1372502 in libusermetrics (Ubuntu) "usermetrics stopped working some time ago due to wrong group for files" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/137250219:23
ahayzendobey, which was from this bug 135902219:24
ubot5bug 1359022 in unity8 (Ubuntu) "Welcome screen on image #200 always states that there are no data sources available" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/135902219:24
dobeywhy is that not even tagged for rtm, and still set to undecided importance? :-/19:31
ahayzendobey, there is another one for rtm i think...19:31
dobeyhow many bugs do we need for the same problem?19:31
ahayzendobey, or maybe not19:32
ahayzendobey, somewhere between those two bugs lol19:32
ahayzendobey, ah i was thinking of this one bug 137455319:32
ubot5bug 1374553 in livecd-rootfs (Ubuntu RTM) "In image rtm 69 infographics stopped functioning" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/137455319:32
dobeyhuh19:40
dobeythat bug is a lie19:40
dobeyit's not fixed19:40
ahayzendobey, i think it basically broke again? or something like that lol19:42
dobeyi see what the problem is19:47
dobeymy nexus4 seems to have the correct permissions19:47
dobeyso it was "fixed" for completely new installs19:48
dobeybut if you've already got an install that was broken by a previous update, the new updates don't fix the permissions on the directory19:48
dobeyogra_, jdstrand: ^^ can we do something about that?19:48
jdstrandthe only way to do it in an upgrade is via some upstart job since postinst scripts aren't run19:50
jdstrandperhaps there is already a job for things like that19:51
* jdstrand doesn't know19:51
ogra_dobey, the vanishing infographics had nothing to do with permissions, the dir where it stores data was non existent for a few images ... nothing about permissions changed there (there was simply no homedir defined for the usermetrics user)20:00
ogra_it was gone for about 5 images and re-added ...20:00
dobeyogra_: that isn't true20:01
ogra_??20:01
ogra_how do you mean ?20:01
ogra_it is definitely true for 6 devices here20:01
dobeyogra_: the broken images didn't remove it during OTA updates20:01
ogra_they did20:02
ogra_the mountpoint was gone20:02
ogra_so the bind mount for the writable dir couldnt happen20:02
dobeyogra_: then how do i have a current image with a directory with the wrong permissions?20:02
ogra_after the mountpoint was re-added all devices here have infographics again20:02
ogra_no idea20:02
ogra_definitely not because of this specific issues20:02
ogra_*issue20:03
ogra_the most recent issue simply didnt have the mountpoint in the readonly image20:03
* dobey wish there was an infographics app to browse the data in the db20:03
* ogra_ vanishes back into the night 20:04
dobeywell, i didn't need to remount with rw to be able to chown, either20:04
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tsethi20:31
tsetI've just installed using this command: ubuntu-device-flash --channel=ubuntu-touch/ubuntu-rtm/14.09-proposed --bootstrap20:32
tsetnow I'm stuck at google20:32
tsetmy device is nexus 420:32
dobeystuck for how long?20:33
tsetvery long20:33
tset10 miutes20:33
dobeytry rebooting?20:34
tsetdone that20:34
tsetany idea?20:38
dobeyreboot to bootloader and try again?20:38
tsetdobey: done that 3 times now20:39
tseteven tryed different versions20:39
dobeytset: is this a new device?20:39
tsetno20:39
tsetmy old phone. run perfectly with cm1120:40
dobeyflash the latest android onto it, let it boot up to the android start screen, then reboot to bootloader and try again20:40
tsetokej, I'll try that. thanks20:41
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tsetdobey: it worked! love you man :)21:00
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^ManuHi people. I just trying out Ubuntu touch on my SGS3. It23:50
^Manuit's basically unusable, but it also says the binary is from mid last year.23:51
^Manuwondering if anyone has any experience with this device, and if there are binaries that aren't over a year old...23:51

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