[01:56] <^barry^> hello
[01:57] <^barry^> anyone know how to connect my ubuntu touch to my ubuntu desktop?
[02:26] <dobey> ^barry^: connect how? if you plug it in, it shows up as an MTP device.
[02:36] <pdxwebdev> What is the menu called where you swipe downward and you get scrollable tabs saying 'battery' 'network' 'upcoming events' etc. is that the indicator menu?
[02:36] <dobey> yes
[02:37] <pdxwebdev> If I wanted to add another tab, which package would I edit?
[02:38] <dobey> whatever one you create that adds an indicator
[02:39] <pdxwebdev> I know about .desktop files and .settings files. does adding an indicator menu tab work similarly?
[02:40] <pdxwebdev> I guess I'm just lost on how to even go about affecting indicator menu in any way.
[03:19] <dobey> pdxwebdev: i don't know exactly, but i'm pretty sure that "adding indicators from your app" is not part of the sdk, and there is no intention to allow additional indicators
[03:20] <dobey> iow, the notification icons is one of the huge problems on android, and the design we have for ubuntu is to try and avoid getting into that situation
[03:22] <pdxwebdev> understandable.
[03:23] <pdxwebdev> I think i'm looking to add a system indicator, not an app indicator
[03:23] <dobey> what kind of indicator?
[03:23] <pdxwebdev> I'm prototyping an authentication framework to be used on the entire phone
[03:24] <pdxwebdev> So I'm trying to add a new tab to the indicator menu along side the "transfers" "network" etc.
[03:24] <dobey> it would help when developing stuff, to not think of it as explicitly "for the phone" as such, given we are pushing toward a converged system
[03:24] <pdxwebdev> This is something that would be baked into the OS, not an app you would download
[03:25] <dobey> pdxwebdev: i'd suggest talking to security and design about what you want to do then
[03:25] <pdxwebdev> I have been in contact with them and they requested a demo. So I'm just trying to put something together for them to look at.
[03:26] <pdxwebdev> To see if they would be interested.
[03:26] <dobey> personally, i'd suggest that an indicator is probably the wrong solution for whatever it is you want to do with the indicator
[03:27] <dobey> (there are too many indicators already, really)
[03:29] <pdxwebdev> I agree, but I do what to offer the user a quick way to  access this feature.
[03:29] <pdxwebdev> As far as I can tell, the indicator pull down menu appears to be the fastest/most convenient
[03:30] <pdxwebdev> I'm open to suggestions, however.
[03:31] <dobey> well considering i have no idea wha tthe "feature" is exactly, i can't really suggest anything :)
[03:31] <pdxwebdev> it would be a qr scanning mechanism used for authentication.
[03:31] <pdxwebdev> So a web site presents a qr code. you scan it to sign in or register.
[03:32] <dobey> presents the qr code where?
[03:33] <pdxwebdev> on the site itself, instead of presenting a login or registration form, it presents a qr code. you scan that from your phone and poof, ur in.
[03:34] <pdxwebdev> I wanted to place this in the indicator area due to the likelyhood of frequent use.
[03:34] <dobey> that doesn't sound very secure or user-friendly to me, but it sounds like the place where you should be implementing something is in the browser itself.
[03:34] <pdxwebdev> It's difficult to explain.
[03:36] <dobey> the qr code is a second factor auth metchanism? so the user would scan the code presented on their pc, with the phone?
[03:37] <pdxwebdev> correct
[03:38] <pdxwebdev> It's very secure, when you compare it with username/password auth
[03:38] <dobey> sounds like it should just be an app, and if a user uses a web site that uses such a method, they can pin that app to their launcher for quick access
[03:38] <pdxwebdev> right, but what about authenticating for apps on the phone?
[03:39] <dobey> then they'll need another phone i guess, to scan the qr code. otherwise it's not exactly a second factor auth mechanism
[03:40] <pdxwebdev> sorry, I overlooked the 'second factor' statement. it would be single factor
[03:40] <dobey> oh
[03:41] <pdxwebdev> the qr scanning would be enough.
[03:41] <dobey> then like i said before, the place to implement it would be the browser itself
[03:42] <pdxwebdev> I'm implementing a portable identity.
[03:42] <dobey> but i also think it's not very secure or user-friendly
[03:42] <pdxwebdev> To auth inside and outside of the phone.
[03:43] <pdxwebdev> Implementing in the browser would leave the user's identity in the browser.
[03:43] <dobey> implementing in the browser is the only way to get the qr code out of the browser. unless you require users to have a second phone
[03:44] <pdxwebdev> oh, yeah, I have another mechanism for that.
[03:44] <dobey> or at least a mirror or usb-otg webcam or something
[03:46] <pdxwebdev> It's clear to me that this needs to be below the app layer. I've already added an extra step to the welcome wizard, an icon in system settings, and now the last piece is the indicator menu.
[03:46] <pdxwebdev> So I'll keep digging.
[03:49] <dobey> i don't understand why there needs to be anything at the system layer for this. nothing needs to be in the welcome wizard for logging into a random web site that might implement this auth scheme.
[03:51] <pdxwebdev> It's an identity management layer. basically turning your phone into the host of your social network.
[03:51] <pdxwebdev> giving social structure to your contacts
[03:52] <pdxwebdev> other features as well
[03:52] <dobey> and what if i lose my phone in a taxi or something?
[03:54] <dobey> just doesn't seem practical to me *shrug*
[03:54] <dobey> anyway, late here, so i should go
[03:54] <pdxwebdev> there are challenges. the cloud isn't perfect either.
[03:56] <pdxwebdev> thanks for you suggestions. I'll keep trucking ;)
[06:35] <rigved> hi everyone
[06:35] <rigved> how will ubuntu touch be supported on the nexus 7 2013 version? any plans released?
[06:35] <rigved> *how long
[09:38] <oSoMoN> is it a known issue that the name "HERE" is incorrectly translated to French in the location indicator pulldown menu?
[09:39] <ogra_> oSoMoN, there was a translation hint added very recently
[09:39] <ogra_> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/utopic/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/0.3+14.10.20140925-0ubuntu1
[09:39] <oSoMoN> ok, so it’s just a matter of fixing the existing translations, then
[09:40] <ogra_> seems thats bug 1368838
[09:43] <jibel> oSoMoN, I already fixed the string and the French team reviewed it
[09:43] <oSoMoN> jibel, excellent!
[09:43] <jibel> oSoMoN, we need a new export of the lang pack I guess
[09:43] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy Ecological Debt Day! :-D
[10:26] <tetraquark1> Я здесь: Praha 6, Чехия
[10:39] <mpt> Well, that was weird. I connected my phone to my PC to charge, and it got into an endless loop of restarting the phone every ~30 seconds, and “Unable to mount Android” and “Unable to mount Nexus 4” errors on the PC
[10:40] <mpt> Got out of it by connecting the phone directly to power instead
[11:07] <mardy> dednick: hi! Is there a way to know if a given PID has a mir connection open (what I need to know, is if I can open a trust session having this PID as initiator)?
[11:07] <dednick> mardy: from an external process? no.
[11:08] <dednick> mardy: best to ask in #unity-mir though. i'm not 100%
[11:08] <dednick> #ubuntu-mir i mean
[11:08] <dednick> mardy: ^
[11:10] <mardy> dednick: thanks, I'll ask there too
[11:12] <mardy> t1mp: do you know the answer to this (or do you know who could know)? http://askubuntu.com/questions/532516/how-to-change-the-font-style-of-a-listitem
[11:36] <t1mp> mardy: I answered the question on https://askubuntu.com/questions/532516/how-to-change-the-font-style-of-a-listitem/532796#532796
[11:36] <t1mp> mardy: unfortunately it doesn't help you much :(
[11:38] <mardy> t1mp: that's anyway informative, thanks
[11:38] <t1mp> mardy: if you look at the code of, for example, SingleValue, you will see that it is relatively simple
[11:39] <nerochiaro> jhodapp: hi, I'm trying to see signals from the hub on DBUS, but i only see the ones on the org.mprisMediaPlayer2.Player interface. I don't see any from the hub itself. Shouldn't it use the com.ubuntu.media.Player interface ?
[11:39] <t1mp> mardy: you could copy that code (and copy LabelVisual as well) as a base for your own component, if you decide to do that
[11:39] <jhodapp> nerochiaro, hey there, you're looking on the session bus right?
[11:40] <nerochiaro> jhodapp: yes, i assume dbus-monitor uses that by default
[11:41] <jhodapp> nerochiaro, I forget, but you can specify it with --session
[11:42] <nerochiaro> jhodapp: ok, confirmed with --session
[11:43] <jhodapp> nerochiaro, confirmed the same thing or you can see the signals you need to see?
[11:43] <nerochiaro> jhodapp: dbus-monitor --session "type=signal" | grep -i media doesn't get any signal that is not from MPRIS
[11:44] <nerochiaro> jhodapp: and from what i can see from the hub sources it should use another interface. is that correct ?
[11:44] <jhodapp> nerochiaro, have you tried without a filter? you should definitely at least see a position retrieval periodically when playing media
[11:44] <jhodapp> nerochiaro, yeah it does
[11:45] <nerochiaro> jhodapp: on what interface ?
[11:46] <jhodapp> nerochiaro, forget offhand, let me look at the code
[11:50] <jhodapp> nerochiaro, core.ubuntu.media.Service.Player
[11:52] <mardy> Mirv: I added you as reviewer for https://code.launchpad.net/~mardy/ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts/lp1342031/+merge/237244, when you have a minute
[11:54] <nerochiaro> jhodapp: so dbus-monitor --session "type=signal,interface='core.ubuntu.media.Service.Player'" shows signals for you when you play a video in mediaplayer-app ?
[11:54] <jhodapp> nerochiaro, I've not tried any filtering before
[11:55] <jhodapp> nerochiaro, have you tried without any filtering?
[11:56] <nerochiaro> jhodapp: yes, dbus-monitor --session | grep Player | grep ubuntu doesn't show anything (i can't really do without grep, there is too much noise on the bus)
[11:56] <jhodapp> nerochiaro, try without a grep once, see if you get Position back while playing music
[11:57] <nerochiaro> jhodapp: ok, i'll pipe it to less and look manually through the noise. but it's a good way to miss stuff
[11:57] <nerochiaro> jhodapp: grep seems more reliable than my eyes
[11:57] <jhodapp> nerochiaro, yes indeed, I just want to ensure that you're getting something
[11:58] <jhodapp> nerochiaro, then we can try a filter
[11:59] <nerochiaro> jhodapp: btw, i'm playing videos,not music, does that make a difference ?
[11:59] <jhodapp> nerochiaro, well for this test try music, should produce the least amount of noise
[12:03] <nerochiaro> jhodapp: playing music i get a lot of method call sender=:1.176 -> dest=core.ubuntu.media.Service serial=125 path=/core/ubuntu/media/Service/sessions/0; interface=org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties; member=Get
[12:03] <nerochiaro>    string "org.mpris.MediaPlayer2.Player"
[12:03] <nerochiaro>    string "Position"
[12:04] <jhodapp> nerochiaro, yes, so that's correct
[12:04] <jhodapp> nerochiaro, so now you've verified the interface
[12:05]  * jhodapp brb
[12:08] <nerochiaro> jhodapp: ok, let's take a step back. what I'm trying to understand is what is behind AalMediaPlayerService::core::ubuntu::media::Player::set_playback_complete_callback in terms of DBUS signals
[12:09] <nerochiaro> jhodapp: in other words, what is the signal we are attaching in qtubunt-media that comes from media-hub to signal the end of playback
[12:09] <nerochiaro> ?
[12:20] <jhodapp> nerochiaro, right, try watching for that with music once
[12:20] <jhodapp> nerochiaro, it'll be easier to see
[12:20] <nerochiaro> jhodapp: i don't get it
[12:20] <jhodapp> nerochiaro, let me see if I can catch it for you
[12:35] <nerochiaro> jhodapp: caught it ?
[12:35] <jhodapp> nerochiaro, not yet, having an issue with media-hub on one device, trying the other
[12:41] <jhodapp> nerochiaro, ok, got it
[12:41] <jhodapp> nerochiaro, let me pastebin it
[12:44] <jhodapp> nerochiaro, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/8507140
[12:45] <jhodapp> nerochiaro, EndOfStream
[12:47] <nerochiaro> jhodapp: ok, i wouldn't have guessed that that signal mapped to playback_complete. where in the code you see that ? (so that i don't have to ask these kind of questions again in the future wasting everyone's time)
[12:48] <jhodapp> nerochiaro, it's no problem to ask, happy to help
[12:48] <jhodapp> nerochiaro, one sec
[12:49] <jhodapp> nerochiaro, you're wondering where in qtubuntu-media this gets mapped?
[12:50] <nerochiaro> jhodapp: yes
[12:52] <jhodapp> nerochiaro, look in aalmediaplayerservice.cpp:77
[12:55] <nerochiaro> jhodapp: what i see there is the point where qtubuntu-media connects to a callback called "playback_complete", but how do you know that playback_complete maps to the EndOfStream signal from DBUS ?
[12:55] <jhodapp> nerochiaro, because of the media-hub-client
[12:55] <jhodapp> nerochiaro, player_stub.cpp
[12:57] <jhodapp> nerochiaro, the m_hubPlayerSession->set_playback_complete_callback() is calling the media-hub client library
[12:57] <nerochiaro> jhodapp: ok, that was the piece i was missing
[12:57] <nerochiaro> jhodapp: the split of the hub between the server and a client lib
[12:57] <jhodapp> exactly
[12:58] <jhodapp> nerochiaro, just keep asking questions, I've looked at this a lot so I'm not sure what's not obvious anymore :)
[13:01] <nerochiaro> jhodapp: will do. thanks
[13:01] <jhodapp> np
[13:17] <nerochiaro> jhodapp: so I think the problem I was chasing last week seems to be rooted in the fact that the EndOfStream signal is on the bus, but the client library doesn't seem to receive it
[13:23] <gatox> kenvandine, hi, can i ask you for a review here: https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntu-system-settings/display-errors/+merge/235037 - https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntu-system-settings/account-detected/+merge/236313
[13:24] <jhodapp> nerochiaro, ok, it'd be interesting to put a debug output on the EndOfStream signal emission (server side) and on the client side
[13:24] <kenvandine> gatox, sure
[13:24] <gatox> kenvandine, thx
[13:25] <nerochiaro> jhodapp: i did that last week, and the client side doesn't get received. since i see it on the bus, i assume the debug output if I put it on the emission will be there
[13:25] <nerochiaro> jhodapp: i mean, there's no debug printout on the client side
[13:26] <jhodapp> nerochiaro, now that's interesting
[13:26] <jhodapp> nerochiaro, might want to ask tvoss about that since it's using dbus-cpp
[13:27] <jhodapp> nerochiaro, might be a dbus-cpp bug
[13:27] <jhodapp> nerochiaro, perhaps a race condition
[13:27] <nerochiaro> jhodapp: it doesn't happen all the time, just when i destroy the Video component in QML and recreate it
[13:27] <jhodapp> nerochiaro, yes, sounds perhaps like a race condition indeed
[13:35] <brendand> jgdx, i need to confirm one more bug fix then i'll try to see if i can find some repro steps
[13:35] <jgdx> brendand, cool, thanks
[13:35] <brendand> jgdx, maybe it has something to do with connecting from the wizard?
[13:36] <jgdx> brendand, I can repro it consistenly by forgetting the currently connected one.
[13:36] <jgdx> not sure the wizard is involved, it's pretty generic stuff (networkmanager)
[13:37] <brendand> jgdx, yeah but just now i tried having created a new connection and it didn't work
[13:37] <brendand> i mean it did work :)
[13:37] <jgdx> err ;:p
[13:37] <jgdx> kenvandine, that silo stops my krillin from bootin'
[13:37] <jgdx> kenvandine, 20
[13:37] <jgdx> is weird
[13:38] <kenvandine> weird
[13:40] <jgdx> brendand, you created a new connection, and when you entered previous networs you were connected to it. Forgetting it brought you back to previous or wifi?
[13:42] <brendand> jgdx, yeah if you forget the network you are connected to then it goes to wifi, otherwise previous networks
[13:43] <brendand> jgdx, i can either file a bug or you can rework the silo
[13:43] <brendand> jgdx, not sure which one is faster
[13:43] <mterry> kenvandine, if you have time for https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/ubuntu-system-settings/wizard-refresh-take-6/+merge/235720 today, I will give you a virtual hug
[13:44] <jgdx> brendand, what ever you think is right. I think maybe this makes the branch WIP.
[13:45] <brendand> jgdx, no - we'll do whatever takes the least amount of time - if you need to, discuss it with kenvandine
[13:45] <jgdx> brendand, new bug then :)
[13:46]  * mpt wonders why the latest devel image is reported as “Ubuntu 14.10 (r3)”
[13:46] <mpt> Latest proposed, I mean
[13:46] <jgdx> brendand, then we could have some text added to an empty "previous networks" as well, or change the behaviour of the "Previous networks" list item if there are none.
[13:47] <brendand> mpt, what's the channel?
[13:47] <brendand> mpt, ubuntu-touch/ubuntu-rtm/14.09?
[13:47] <jgdx> mpt, ^ what do you think. If there are no previous networks, should the list item that opens the "previous networks" page be insensitive? Or placeholder text?
[13:47] <jgdx> I can't seem to find that in the spec.
[13:47] <mpt> brendand, “Ubuntu Utopic Unicorn (development branch) - armhf (20140929-030205)”
[13:48] <ogra_> mpt, becaue it reads the value from files we can not change without breaking the whole infrastructure (and all packages)
[13:48] <mpt> jgdx, ohhh, you caught me not following my own spec checklist — always specify what happens when a collection has zero items :-)
[13:48] <brendand> mpt, system-image-cli -i
[13:49] <mpt> brendand, in the terminal on the phone?
[13:49] <brendand> mpt, yes
[13:50] <mpt> LOL, it’s bent like a CRT
[13:51] <mpt> Ah, I installed ubuntu-rtm/devel by mistake … I guess Mako isn’t an important target for RTM :-)
[13:51] <brendand> mpt, yeah - retro
[13:51] <ogra_> mpt, bug 1362496 ... there was also a more detailed explanation about lsb-release/os-release changes by cjwatson that sadly isnt in a public ML
[13:51] <brendand> mpt, no i think that might be the right alias
[13:51] <jgdx> mpt, do I win anything?
[13:52] <brendand> mpt, yes that is the 'promoted' image
[13:52] <brendand> mpt, it's the most well tested image for RTM
[13:53] <brendand> mpt, which is not to say it's the one that works best :P
[13:53] <ogra_> it definitely lacks fixes the newer image have :)
[13:53] <ogra_> *images
[14:14] <brendand> mpt, everything ok then or were you looking for a different channel?
[14:16] <mpt> jgdx, you win a free spec update. <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Networking?action=diff&rev2=246&rev1=245>
[14:16] <mpt> brendand, yeah, I’m just bothered that when I report bugs I include the image version number but it seems … non-unique
[14:17] <brendand> mpt, it's not unique by itself
[14:17] <brendand> mpt, you need to include the device and channel too
[14:18] <brendand> mpt, you can use ubuntu-bug on RTM if you specify APPORT_DISABLE_DISTRO_CHECK=1
[14:18] <jgdx> mpt, yay
[14:23] <popey> ted: your app startup app seems broken. on my device it's not showing any app starts newer than 4th sept
[14:27] <ted> popey, Hmm, we should ping QA to see if they're still generating the results.
[15:11] <jgdx> hey brendand, that prev network branch went through?
[15:13] <cyphermox_> mzanetti: are you the right person to deal with qtubuntu, re bug 1357321
[15:14] <cyphermox_> ie. making use of connectivity-api whether it's possible, instead of QNetworkAccessManager?
[15:14] <cyphermox_> lpotter: hey
[15:15] <mzanetti> cyphermox: he started today with us and timezone is Australia... but yeah, I think he's gonna pick this one up
[15:16] <cyphermox> mzanetti: ah, that's why I didn't recognize the name ;)
[15:16] <brendand> jgdx, not yet. going to do it now
[15:16] <kenvandine> brendand, thanks!
[15:16] <jgdx> brendand, thank you
[15:16] <cyphermox> mzanetti: still, what are your thoughts on porting things to use connectivity-api instead?
[15:16] <mzanetti> cyphermox: define "things"
[15:16] <cyphermox> is it even possible considering the api requires indicator-network?
[15:16] <cyphermox> mzanetti: scopes, apps
[15:16] <mzanetti> -1
[15:17] <cyphermox> care to expand? :)
[15:17] <mzanetti> I don't like replacing existing upstream Qt api's with custom ones
[15:17] <cyphermox> or you know, maybe let's take this to the bug report directly instead, so tere's a clear trace of decisions
[15:18] <mzanetti> cyphermox: apps would need to #ifdef ubuntu everything related to network
[15:18] <cyphermox> mzanetti: I don't either, but this is special
[15:18] <cyphermox> are apps, being confined, even able to speak to NM via Qt to get the information?
[15:18] <cyphermox> ie. is it done centrally somehow, or per-app?
[15:18] <mzanetti> yeah, you should have only one QNetworkAccessManager per app
[15:19] <cyphermox> that's not what I meant
[15:19] <cyphermox> but if there's one per app; if apps can't access NM, it won't help them
[15:20] <cyphermox> the purpose of connectivity-api is to have one trusted way to get connectivity information for any apps or scopes or whatnot rather than digging into the NM api
[15:20] <brendand> jgdx, a bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1377991
[15:20] <brendand> jgdx, now i'll sign it off
[15:20] <jgdx> brendand, thanks!
[15:24] <mzanetti> cyphermox: what do you mean with digging into the NM api?
[15:25] <cyphermox> mzanetti: you need to get things from NM, via DBus, when you use QNetworkAccessManager to figure out whether you're connected and such
[15:26] <cyphermox> mzanetti: security concerns were that there are tons of things exposed in the NM DBus API; so it's not supposed to be included in what apps can use
[15:26] <cyphermox> mzanetti: however, connectivity-api is a "trusted helper", which does have the ability to speak to NM for you to get the information you need
[15:26] <mzanetti> cyphermox: hmm... I don't know how that stuff is implemented in the backend, but seems to me like connectivity-service should be used as between QtNetwork and actual NM
[15:27] <cyphermox> mzanetti: i have no idea how much this affects you
[15:27] <cyphermox> connectivity-service doesn't appear to use QtNetwork
[15:27] <cyphermox> (at least to my untrained eye)
[15:27] <mzanetti> no, the other way round
[15:27] <cyphermox> perhaps
[15:27] <mzanetti> but again, I don't know how pluggable QtNetwork backends are
[15:27] <cyphermox> but I haven't seen a connectivity-api bearer plugin
[15:28] <cyphermox> if we had that in the first place, there probably wouldn't be this conversation :)
[15:28] <mzanetti> heh, probably
[15:28] <cyphermox> hehe
[15:28] <mzanetti> well, lets see Lorn's verdict
[15:28] <cyphermox> anyway, all good if someone is looking into it, yes
[15:29] <cyphermox> fixing the bearer will bring good anyway
[15:34] <tsdgeos> renatu: https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/dialer-app/addi18ntr not into a release yet?
[15:36] <renatu> tsdgeos, boiko and bfiller can help you with that
[15:37] <tsdgeos> bfiller: ↑↑
[15:37] <bfiller> tsdgeos: in a silo now
[15:38] <bfiller> silo 3 on rtm
[15:38] <tsdgeos> bfiller: cool :)
[15:40] <sil2100> bfiller: hey! Do you know from boiko if the ubuntu-rtm dialer-app failures got already fixed?
[15:42] <bfiller> sil2100: I don't think they have yet
[15:43] <bfiller> trying to reproduce them with our silo
[15:43] <bfiller> sil2100: does it occur on krillin or just mako?
[15:46] <sil2100> bfiller: those were reproducible on both mako and krillin IIRC
[15:46] <sil2100> bfiller: we know krillin for sure, let me check if mako still
[15:53] <jgdx> I'm an uncle, so later!
[16:07] <Isotop7> is there anything i need to activate besides the notification in the system settings and the permissions for each app to generate notifications? Apps like facebook and gmail dont generate messages...i use a make device with dualbooted ubuntu touch.
[16:40] <kenvandine> Wellark, how can i tell which context is the currently used one?
[16:41] <dobey> Isotop7: did you sign into those services under "Accounts" in system settings?
[16:41] <kenvandine> Wellark, i think it's failing to activate it, but no errors are thrown
[16:57] <Isotop7> dobey: i activated notifications in the notifications menu and gave all permissions in the account menu...
[16:58] <dobey> Isotop7: did you only log in to facebook through the app, or did you sign in in the accounts settings as well?
[17:00] <Isotop7> dobey: im logged in in the facebook app and i registered my account and gave the permission to notify me...i could try to delete the account and resign it on the ubuntu....
[17:01]  * dobey thinks there is a communication problem here
[17:03] <dobey> Isotop7: if you open System Settings, and then in there tap on 'Accounts', is Facebook listed in the accounts?
[17:03] <dobey> err
[17:04] <dobey> is "Facebook" listed as a logged in account; not in the list of new account types you can create, that is
[17:05] <Isotop7> dobey: i have a signed in account in the ubuntu account menu...
[17:05] <dobey> ok
[17:06] <dobey> Chipaca, ralsina_: ^^
[17:07] <ralsina_> Isotop7: inside the account in settings, you may see a " notifications" switch, you need to enable it
[17:08] <ralsina_> Isotop7: facebook doesn't work currently (needs special magic credentials)
[17:09] <Chipaca> was about to say, facebook still needs frobbing
[17:09] <Chipaca> i don't know the particular frobbage
[17:13] <Isotop7> ralsina_: i activated this also... why isnt it working? isnt it a problem that the developers just framing the webapps? wouldnt it be much better to build native apps? Are there any official apps which support notifications?
[17:14] <ralsina_> Isotop7: I know at least twitter works because I use it :-)
[17:14] <ralsina_> Isotop7: would I like to have native twitter apps? Sure. But we also want webapps to be integrated and support push notifications.
[17:15] <ralsina_> Isotop7: do you also have a u1 account created?
[17:15] <Isotop7> ralsina_: yes i have everything connected except flickr because i wanted to test the notifications :D
[17:16] <Wellark> kenvandine: yeah, debugging with awe and cyphermox
[17:16] <ralsina_> Isotop7: then I probably need the push client logs and the account-polld logs
[17:16] <Isotop7> ralsina: ok...i didnt know that there were webapps which support a kind of api to generate notifications on a mobile phone...
[17:17] <Isotop7> ralsina_: okay...do i get them via adb in the normal /var/log directory?
[17:17] <ralsina_> Isotop7: well, it's a bit more complicated than that, but yes, in the end that works :-)
[17:17] <ralsina_> Isotop7: there is a logviewer app in the store that makes it easy
[17:17] <ralsina_> http://victorpalau.net/2014/01/08/ubuntu-touch-logviewer/
[17:17] <Isotop7> ralsina_ : yeah im sorry for my lack of knowledge but i like to think positive :D
[17:18] <Isotop7> ralsina: oh thank you :)
[17:19] <ralsina_> Isotop7: I need to go get lunch, but please pastebin wherever and I'll take a look right away
[17:19] <Isotop7> oh thanks :)
[17:20] <Wellark> kenvandine: seems like NM or something is broken :(
[17:43] <n-iCe> did the ubuntu phone os got stable?
[17:44] <lotuspsychje> n-iCe: RTM is out and already nice and stable
[17:44] <nhaines> lotuspsychje: no it's not.
[17:44] <lotuspsychje> nhaines: cant it run on devices yet?
[17:45] <nhaines> lotuspsychje: there is no RTM release yet.
[17:45] <n-iCe> oh
[17:45] <n-iCe> so it is not stable?
[17:45] <n-iCe> I have a N5
[17:45] <lotuspsychje> wel developer version seems stable for my n7
[17:45] <nhaines> n-iCe: it's pretty stable if you stay on the promoted builds.  Either devel or ubuntu-rtm/14.09
[17:46] <n-iCe> do you guys use it a daily driver?
[17:46] <nhaines> I have an N5 too and except for lack of bluetooth support it's pretty nice.
[17:46] <nhaines> I don't use it as a daily driver because there's no bluetooth and Unity 8 keeps locking up, but the Unity issue has been fixed, I think.  I need Android-only apps still for the moment though.
[17:46] <popey> its my daily phone
[17:47] <n-iCe> I use bluetooth a lot
[17:47] <n-iCe> so no way I can use the ROM.
[17:47] <nhaines> lotuspsychje: "there's a developer version that works well" isn't the same as "it's been released to manufacturers and is production ready."
[17:47] <nhaines> n-iCe: with MultiROM Manager you can dualboot and test it out.  That's worth doing at least once.  :)
[17:47] <n-iCe> I have, months ago
[17:48] <nhaines> Design is very different now.
[17:48] <lotuspsychje> different how
[17:49] <n-iCe> is it?
[17:49] <nhaines> Multitasking is better, indicator menus don't lag...
[17:49] <n-iCe> is that design?
[17:50] <nhaines> The app switcher is design.
[17:50] <nhaines> Speaking of, scopes are very interesting now.
[17:51] <lotuspsychje> and handy ubuntu app store
[17:51] <n-iCe> oh is there an app store now?!
[17:51] <n-iCe> is whatsapp ready?
[17:51] <nhaines> It's a fullblown scope.
[17:51] <nhaines> Whatsapp will never be ready.
[17:52] <lotuspsychje> lol
[17:52] <Isotop7> epic fail :D
[17:52] <Isotop7> if you want to run whatsapp, youll never gonna use ubuntu touch
[17:52] <n-iCe> then it is not for me
[17:52] <n-iCe> can't live without it.
[17:52] <Isotop7> do think about apps like telegram or something like that :)
[17:52] <n-iCe> how can you :p ?
[17:52] <lotuspsychje> well at least ubuntu touch is safe to use
[17:53] <nhaines> n-iCe: I've never used it nor do I care to.  Easy.  :P
[17:53] <Isotop7> you have to keep in mind on what ubuntu touch is aiming on...
[17:53] <n-iCe> nhaines: I bet is because of your country
[17:53] <n-iCe> Isotop7: what is that
[17:54] <nhaines> Once Ubuntu gets big, Whatsapp may follow.  But they shutdown the community port.
[17:54] <Isotop7> n-iCe: https://telegram.org/
[17:55] <n-iCe> Isotop7: people here does not use that
[17:55] <Isotop7> i dont think it will ever be featured...they pursue people who try to build apis...they dont like open stuff....
[17:55] <Isotop7> where do you come from? :D
[17:55] <n-iCe> México, 99% of Mexicans use whatsapp.
[17:56] <Isotop7> maybe these are just your personal pfer
[17:56] <Isotop7> *preferences :D
[17:56] <n-iCe> mobile phone providers give whatsapp for free
[17:56]  * mhall119 finds the 99% figure dubious
[17:56] <lotuspsychje> lol
[17:56] <Isotop7> okay...i dont know much about mexico but this is very sad....
[17:56] <Isotop7> in germany people use clients like whistle.im, telegram, threema or minor clients...
[17:56]  * lotuspsychje thinks many users are addicted to their smartphones too much...
[17:57] <Tassadar> that would mean 99% have smartphone
[17:57]  * popey prints out and frames "18:51:57 < nhaines> Whatsapp will never be ready."
[17:57] <n-iCe> 99% using smartphones of course...
[17:57] <popey> [CITATION NEEDED]
[17:57] <Tassadar> [ACTUAL SIZE]
[17:57] <mhall119> as nhaines said though, only WhatsApp (now Facebook) can bring WhatsApp support to Ubuntu, or any other platform, and they've so far been very restrictive about what they allow
[17:58] <lotuspsychje> Tassadar: even if people are poor, they got smartphone anways :p
[17:58] <mhall119> even Android tablets and iPad don't have WhatsApp clients
[17:58] <Tassadar> why do you even need whatsapp, to me it looks like just another proprietary IM thingy
[17:59] <n-iCe> the thing is
[17:59] <n-iCe> I need it :)
[17:59] <mhall119> Tassadar: same reason people need Facebook, because that's what everybody they want to talk to is using
[17:59] <n-iCe> ubuntu phone is just not for me :p, thank you guys for all the info!
[17:59] <mhall119> n-iCe: sorry to hear that, but do keep an eye on it because someday it might be
[17:59] <lotuspsychje> lol
[17:59] <Tassadar> another ICQ then
[17:59] <mhall119> Tassadar: basically, yeah
[17:59] <popey> 11317622
[17:59]  * mhall119 never actually used ICQ
[18:00] <lotuspsychje> soon it might be the most popular mobile Os
[18:00]  * Tassadar looks at jabber and cries
[18:00] <popey> I used it in 1996
[18:00] <ogra_> Tassadar, depends which country you are in ... whatsapp is the #1 messaging service in germany ... beating even SMS by factor three
[18:00] <nhaines> I last used it in 1998.
[18:00] <dobey> ICQ is a mobile OS?
[18:00] <ogra_> (i dont use it either and i'm german ... but i read the stats)
[18:00] <Isotop7> I think tassadar is right...everybody thinks he needs to use it because everybody thinks he needs to use it :D
[18:00] <nhaines> dobey: first mass-adopted instant messaging software.
[18:00] <lotuspsychje> dobey: lol i was talking about ubuntu touch :p
[18:01] <dobey> nhaines: i know what icq is
[18:01] <mhall119> Isotop7: there's some truth to that, the main benefit of messaging services isn't their actual capability, it's who you can talk to with them
[18:01] <nhaines> Tassadar: do you work on the N5 community port or just run the build services?
[18:01]  * mzanetti can't believe he still remembers his ICQ number from 2002
[18:01] <dobey> 2002?
[18:02] <dobey> noob.
[18:02]  * mhall119 can't believe mzanetti started using ICQ in 2002
[18:02] <ogra_> Isotop7, well, you use what your friends use
[18:02] <mzanetti> haha :D
[18:02] <Tassadar> mostly just run the server (I don't have to do anything to it, it is automated), sometimes I poke at it a little bit (like I fixed the backlight issue a while ago)
[18:02] <ogra_> Isotop7, its a peer pressure thing
[18:02] <mzanetti> well, can't remember when it actually was
[18:02] <mzanetti> but yeah... at earliest 200 I think...
[18:02] <Tassadar> 416623426 lol, I remember it too :D
[18:02] <nhaines> Mine was 217XXXX but I don't remember it anymore.  I could probably figure it out  :)
[18:02] <mzanetti> 2000
[18:03] <nhaines> I vaguely miss using Trillian.  Empathey and Pidgin are great but I miss the emoticons.  :P
[18:03]  * mhall119 remembers Trillian
[18:03]  * popey hugs bitlbee
[18:03] <mzanetti> +1
[18:03] <nhaines> Tassadar: ah, I was wondering if there was anything I could do to kick the bluetooth stack on N5.
[18:03] <Tassadar> you could fix it :x
[18:03] <mhall119> I used Trillian up until I discovered Gaim (now Pidgin)
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[18:03] <Isotop7> meine meinung, ogra_
[18:03] <dobey> i miss all the random "help me learn english please" requests on icq from chinese/russian girls
[18:04] <dobey> yeah nhaines, fix it
[18:04] <Isotop7> yeah...these times were marvelous :D
[18:05] <lotuspsychje> and then all the underground icq hacking toolz
[18:05] <nhaines> I don't know how to fix it.  But sometimes I'm annoyed enough to want to try anyway.
[18:05] <Isotop7> billions and billions of aftermarket emojis....
[18:05] <dobey> +++ath
[18:05] <dobey> best hacking tool evar
[18:06] <nhaines> Ha, those were the days.
[18:06] <dobey> emoticons
[18:06] <dobey> not emojis
[18:06] <Tassadar> nhaines: I dunno either, I'd have to do research too
[18:06] <nhaines> Is bluetooth at least working and stable on N4?
[18:06] <lotuspsychje> and now the whole world is vunerable
[18:06] <Isotop7> im so sorry, dobey :D
[18:06] <dobey> and if you insist on being a faux japanophile, emoji
[18:07] <Isotop7> it is nhaines!
[18:07] <Tassadar> might be something stupid like missing config option or something entirely differnt
[18:07] <dobey> nhaines: afaik yes, but i can't stand looking at the n4; i only use it to test things :)
[18:07] <nhaines> Isotop7: good, because that's the requisite to me wasting time trying to fix the N5.  :P
[18:08] <nhaines> dobey: N4 screens are potatoes next to the N5.  :)
[18:08] <dobey> Tassadar: or probably some crazy driver thing
[18:08] <dobey> nhaines: it's not just the screen. the phone itself just looks so fragile and too glossy
[18:09] <Isotop7> dont talk about n4s...the back of mine broke saturday night...it looks awful....but i dont know how to port it to my samsung galaxy s4...so i have to use this little shitty brick with this damn nice ubuntu :)
[18:10] <ogra_> it is october already ... before end of the year you will be able to buy an ubuntu phone ;)
[18:10] <nhaines> ogra_: If they have working bluetooth I'll consider it.  ;)
[18:11] <lotuspsychje> ogra_: sounds promising
[18:11] <ogra_> indeed they will :)
[18:11]  * popey plays music on a bluetooth speaker from his ubuntu phone
[18:11] <dobey> nhaines: are you in the US?
[18:11] <ogra_> popey, ssshhh
[18:11] <ogra_> !
[18:11] <nhaines> Actually, I'm torn.  Obviously I want to support Ubuntu and help sales.  On the other hand, I want a convergence-ready device without buying another phone in two more years.  :P
[18:11] <nhaines> dobey: I am.
[18:11]  * lotuspsychje plays video's from popey's youtube app
[18:11] <popey> "app"
[18:11] <mhall119> "popey's"
[18:11] <rickspencer3> is this the right place to log bugs for the sound indicator on the phone?
[18:11] <rickspencer3> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-sound/
[18:12] <ogra_> rickspencer3, yes
[18:12] <dobey> nhaines: just fix bt on n5 :)
[18:12] <vitimiti> Hi
[18:13] <nhaines> dobey: I'll trade Canonical a fix for BT on N5 if they send me a krillin device for differential troubleshooting.  ;)
[18:13] <Isotop7> so ubuntu touch is rather focused to release customized build to new devices then porting it down to the most recent devices?
[18:13] <nhaines> Isotop7: Ubuntu's focused on getting the OS and SDK and APIs right.
[18:13] <ogra_> Isotop7, it is focused on getting the first stable release out
[18:13] <nhaines> Porting to any device is the manufacturer's job.
[18:13] <ogra_> Isotop7, once where is an actual stable base porting will be a lot easier to handle
[18:14] <Isotop7> okay...seems about right...
[18:14] <Tassadar> and an updated guide)
[18:14] <ogra_> the current prob with ports is that most of them were against quantal and never updated ...
[18:14] <ogra_> once we have a stable base updating the docs, providing some scripts etc will be easy
[18:15] <Isotop7> "was der bauer nicht kennt, frisst er nicht!"
[18:15] <Tassadar> yeah, some xda people have attention span of a goldfish
[18:15] <ogra_> especially for devices that are already supported by the AOSP tree
[18:15] <nhaines> ogra_: should probably have a portpocalypse and clear up that wiki page.  :)
[18:15] <nhaines> Isotop7: quite so!
[18:15] <Isotop7> Tassadar: dont let them hear that :D :D
[18:15] <Tassadar> they don't care
[18:16] <Tassadar> ..at least not for very long <_<
[18:17] <nhaines> hahaha
[18:18] <Isotop7> lol
[18:23] <nhaines> What I'd really like is Bluetooth HID support on my phone.  :)
[18:25] <nhaines> Onscreen keyboards make me want to punch a kitten.
[18:25] <cwayne> that escalated quickly
[18:25] <Isotop7> wow...that must be a pain in the ass for you :D
[18:26]  * Tassadar imagines on-screen keyboard where all the keys are differnt kinds of kittens
[18:26] <nhaines> Tassadar: and the feedback sound is "mewr"
[18:26] <Tassadar> all you type is lolspeak
[18:27] <dobey> nhaines: i just want a hardware keyboard in the phone
[18:27] <dobey> ah lolspeak
[18:27] <dobey> "if you put 'lol' in as part of the name, then people will think it's funny"
[18:28] <nhaines> dobey: I would very much enjoy a hardware keyboard.  I miss my T-Mobile G1.  :)
[18:30] <dobey> this is how i feel about things like "lolspeak" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HicYNBTpK0
[19:14] <dobey> how does one get the infographics stuff working again? my phone has said "No data sources available" for many weeks now (or months maybe)
[19:23] <ahayzen> dobey, possibly this bug 1372502
[19:24] <ahayzen> dobey, which was from this bug 1359022
[19:31] <dobey> why is that not even tagged for rtm, and still set to undecided importance? :-/
[19:31] <ahayzen> dobey, there is another one for rtm i think...
[19:31] <dobey> how many bugs do we need for the same problem?
[19:32] <ahayzen> dobey, or maybe not
[19:32] <ahayzen> dobey, somewhere between those two bugs lol
[19:32] <ahayzen> dobey, ah i was thinking of this one bug 1374553
[19:40] <dobey> huh
[19:40] <dobey> that bug is a lie
[19:40] <dobey> it's not fixed
[19:42] <ahayzen> dobey, i think it basically broke again? or something like that lol
[19:47] <dobey> i see what the problem is
[19:47] <dobey> my nexus4 seems to have the correct permissions
[19:48] <dobey> so it was "fixed" for completely new installs
[19:48] <dobey> but if you've already got an install that was broken by a previous update, the new updates don't fix the permissions on the directory
[19:48] <dobey> ogra_, jdstrand: ^^ can we do something about that?
[19:50] <jdstrand> the only way to do it in an upgrade is via some upstart job since postinst scripts aren't run
[19:51] <jdstrand> perhaps there is already a job for things like that
[19:51]  * jdstrand doesn't know
[20:00] <ogra_> dobey, the vanishing infographics had nothing to do with permissions, the dir where it stores data was non existent for a few images ... nothing about permissions changed there (there was simply no homedir defined for the usermetrics user)
[20:00] <ogra_> it was gone for about 5 images and re-added ...
[20:01] <dobey> ogra_: that isn't true
[20:01] <ogra_> ??
[20:01] <ogra_> how do you mean ?
[20:01] <ogra_> it is definitely true for 6 devices here
[20:01] <dobey> ogra_: the broken images didn't remove it during OTA updates
[20:02] <ogra_> they did
[20:02] <ogra_> the mountpoint was gone
[20:02] <ogra_> so the bind mount for the writable dir couldnt happen
[20:02] <dobey> ogra_: then how do i have a current image with a directory with the wrong permissions?
[20:02] <ogra_> after the mountpoint was re-added all devices here have infographics again
[20:02] <ogra_> no idea
[20:02] <ogra_> definitely not because of this specific issues
[20:03] <ogra_> *issue
[20:03] <ogra_> the most recent issue simply didnt have the mountpoint in the readonly image
[20:03]  * dobey wish there was an infographics app to browse the data in the db
[20:04]  * ogra_ vanishes back into the night 
[20:04] <dobey> well, i didn't need to remount with rw to be able to chown, either
[20:31] <tset> hi
[20:32] <tset> I've just installed using this command: ubuntu-device-flash --channel=ubuntu-touch/ubuntu-rtm/14.09-proposed --bootstrap
[20:32] <tset> now I'm stuck at google
[20:32] <tset> my device is nexus 4
[20:33] <dobey> stuck for how long?
[20:33] <tset> very long
[20:33] <tset> 10 miutes
[20:34] <dobey> try rebooting?
[20:34] <tset> done that
[20:38] <tset> any idea?
[20:38] <dobey> reboot to bootloader and try again?
[20:39] <tset> dobey: done that 3 times now
[20:39] <tset> even tryed different versions
[20:39] <dobey> tset: is this a new device?
[20:39] <tset> no
[20:40] <tset> my old phone. run perfectly with cm11
[20:40] <dobey> flash the latest android onto it, let it boot up to the android start screen, then reboot to bootloader and try again
[20:41] <tset> okej, I'll try that. thanks
[21:00] <tset> dobey: it worked! love you man :)
[23:50] <^Manu> Hi people. I just trying out Ubuntu touch on my SGS3. It
[23:51] <^Manu> it's basically unusable, but it also says the binary is from mid last year.
[23:51] <^Manu> wondering if anyone has any experience with this device, and if there are binaries that aren't over a year old...