[06:44] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[07:23] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:31] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[07:33] <MooDoo> how are you brobostigon
[08:57] <kamkam> hi
[08:57] <kamkam> hello
[08:57] <kamkam> who are here?
[08:58] <awilkins> Many are sort of semi-here and only listening when interesting things happen
[09:43] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy Ecological Debt Day! :-D
[09:44] <Laney> yes, that sounds like a happy day
[09:58] <JamesTait> Laney, it's prompted talk of animals towing cars and running payday loans companies... I created a monster!
[10:04] <directhex> if only the government could just declare the ecological debt cleared
[10:11] <davmor2> JamesTait: but animals pulling cars would surely release more methane into the atmosphere and that wouldn't be good
[12:31] <czajkowski> aloha
[12:31] <popey> yo
[12:32] <aquarius> yo
[12:34]  * popey needs moar sleep
[12:34] <aquarius> me too. :)
[12:35] <diddledan> popey: too much ogging?
[12:35] <popey> really enjoyed your talk at the weekend aquarius
[12:35] <aquarius> cool!
[12:35] <popey> indeed, too much ogg, not enough camp
[12:35] <diddledan> :-p
[12:35] <zmoylan-pi> the trick to sleeping under your desk is to have the cables in your hand so you can say you were trying to fix a wonky cable
[12:35] <aquarius> it was, I am assured, recorded, so once Dan provides me with the recording I'll publish it and the slides
[12:35] <aquarius> but people seem to have found it useful and enjoyed it
[12:36] <aquarius> which is gratifying :)
[12:37] <popey> yeah, I'm re-thinking a couple of my app plans
[12:37] <popey> also, my wife asked me last night "do you know how to make mobile apps?"
[12:37] <popey> "why?"
[12:37] <popey> "The kids at school have to make some, the ICT teacher might be bugging you about it"
[12:37] <aquarius> aha!
[12:37] <aquarius> Niamh had to do that.
[12:38] <aquarius> We used an online service that let you drag a few things together to make apps
[12:38] <aquarius> http://www.adsy.me/ is not the one Niamh and I used (because that was a couple of years ago) but it is better.
[12:38] <snarfit> http://www.adsy.me/: adsy.me - create free mobile applications
[12:38] <aquarius> might wanna look at it
[12:39] <popey> uh
[12:39] <popey> who owns snarfit ?
[12:39] <diddledan> popey: it was an experryment on behalf of daftykins
[12:39] <diddledan> popey: it's mine
[12:40] <popey> !bots
[12:40] <popey> bah
[12:42] <czajkowski> indeed
[12:51] <popey> aquarius: if you remember what it was Niamh used, lemme know
[12:51] <aquarius> is adsy no good?
[12:51] <aquarius> the one Niamh used was worse
[12:51] <aquarius> but adsy didn't exist then :)
[12:52] <davmor2> popey: ogg is that a new beer?
[12:55] <popey> aquarius: oh, dunno, i just assumed the one you'd used would have been better
[12:56] <aquarius> nah, I would have used adsy if it had existed. The one we used was pretty shonky, but this was a couple of years ago :)
[12:57] <popey> asdy doesn't let you offline them?
[12:57] <popey> like you talked about
[12:57] <aquarius> ah, don't know, I didn't look at that
[12:57] <aquarius> I think it's probably just online
[12:58] <aquarius> he one NIamh and I used didn't either
[12:58] <aquarius> making offline apps is hard
[12:58] <aquarius> huh, http://www.quora.com/Are-offline-mobile-web-apps-coming-soon says that adsy does offline!
[12:58] <snarfit> http://www.quora.com/Are-offline-mobile-web-apps-coming-soon: Are offline mobile web apps coming soon? - Quora
[13:05] <czajkowski> Oggcamp is in birmingham next year ?
[13:05] <czajkowski> really
[13:05] <Myrtti> well it could be worse
[13:05] <popey> czajkowski: says who ? ☻
[13:06] <czajkowski> https://twitter.com/bobobex/status/519111062285996032
[13:06] <snarfit> https://twitter.com/bobobex/status/519111062285996032: Becky Newborough on Twitter: "Home from @oggcamp. Had a lovely time (don't we always!). Looking forward to next year's event in Birmingham organised by @dick_turpin :D"
[13:06] <czajkowski> what is snarfit
[13:06] <popey> you may have a broken sense of humour
[13:06] <popey> or becky does
[13:06] <czajkowski> popey: I was wondering..
[13:06] <popey> note the smiley
[13:06] <czajkowski> what happened the offical irc bot ?
[13:06] <zmoylan-pi> snarfit is a bot that displays the title of the page of the urls posted i think
[13:07] <christel> if it's on the internet it must be true, that's a universal law
[13:07] <christel> so oggcamp will now have to be in birmingham next year
[13:07] <czajkowski> christel: :D ZMOG!!
[13:07] <christel> :s
[13:07]  * christel snuggles czajkowski 
[13:07] <czajkowski> hello my dear!
[13:11] <czajkowski> anyone on Utopic hitting this bug daily ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+bug/1368217
[13:11] <snarfit> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+bug/1368217: Bug #1368217 “chromium-browser crashed with SIGSEGV” : Bugs : “chromium-browser” package : Ubuntu
[13:28] <awilkins> snarfit vs lubotu3 .... FIGHT!
[13:29] <zmoylan-pi> 400 quatloos on the newcomer...
[13:29] <awilkins> "snarfit uses Tweet Parser. It's super effective!"
[13:31] <awilkins> Ugh, the general interconnectedness of internet things is creeping me out a bit
[13:31] <awilkins> GF got us tickets to a taiko concert
[13:31] <awilkins> I must have mentioned taiko once on Hangouts
[13:32] <awilkins> Spotify is now suggesting albums of taiko music to me
[13:32] <awilkins> Creepy
[13:34] <diddledan> daftykins: see the trouble you get me into?! :-p
[13:35] <diddledan> it's supposed to ignore launchpad urls
[13:36] <diddledan> oh I see - I have it ignoring a different url pattern
[13:36] <diddledan> launchpad.net/bugs vs bugs.launchpad.net
[16:23] <daftykins> diddledan: did you get a wrist slap? ^_^
[16:24] <Myrtti> did you already discuss it with popey?
[16:24] <diddledan> daftykins: I'm not sure, but I feel violated :-p there were questions but nobody has said "NO! FOR THE LOVE OF MARK, NO!" yet
[16:25] <Myrtti> freenode guidelines say, I think, that you shouldn't run a bot on a channel without discussing and getting an explicit go-ahead from the ops.
[16:25] <Myrtti> so, I guess the question is, have you?
[16:26] <diddledan> oops
[16:26] <diddledan> daftykins: you're a bad influence :-p
[16:26] <Myrtti> it should really be a no brainer, especially if the bot speaks.
[16:28] <diddledan> I guess we need to ask ourselves: what would sabdfl do? :-D
[16:28] <daftykins> hey i didn't go "diddledan i command you to make a bot!" :D
[16:28] <diddledan> daftykins: wait, you didn't?
[16:28] <diddledan> daftykins: I'm sure that's what I heard
[16:30] <daftykins> thank tux for channel logs
[16:31] <daftykins> this is pretty crazy, i'm installing a new game on my xbox one. 36GB it's putting on
[16:31] <diddledan> jee that's hooge
[16:33] <daftykins> it said you could start it up after 11 minutes of copy, but i've timed the whole lot to see
[16:33] <daftykins> nearing 90% after 32 mins D:
[16:33] <diddledan> that's near enough 11 minutes, right?
[16:36] <daftykins> i wonder what bluray's data rate is
[16:36] <daftykins> i can hear the waft of air coming from this thing but it doesn't sound particularly flat out
[16:37]  * Myrtti still stares at snarfit
[16:38]  * diddledan cuddles Myrtti 
[16:38] <diddledan> :-p
[16:38] <diddledan> that's what you get! :-p
[16:39] <Myrtti> maybe I'm uptight and grumpy but I'm not impressed. I certainly hope you're talking to someone about the bot right now, because I can't think of any other reason why it's still on the channel.
[16:40] <Myrtti> maybe I should just go watch O'Reilly webinars or something.
[16:40] <diddledan> it's still here because I've been busy elsewhere and haven't had a chance to shut it down
[16:40] <diddledan> I'm just bringing it down now
[16:40] <diddledan> see? gone
[16:42] <daftykins> Myrtti: i'd say calm down, your response is totally mismatched to the topic at hand
[16:43] <Myrtti> daftykins: I know, and I did mention it.
[16:43] <daftykins> yep that diddledan should've known better, but equally he's a very reasonable chap that would easily reverse an action at the first sign of a request
[16:44] <daftykins> i'd sooner put more effort into sorting out certain other areas of the freenode community
[16:44] <Myrtti> oh you don't want me to go that route... I'd set everything on fire.
[16:45] <Myrtti> and have S'mores \o/
[16:45] <daftykins> no patience for it, is it?
[16:45] <diddledan> daftykins: how dare you state that I'm reasonable. The bloomin' liberty to suggest that I'll do what I'm asked! :-p
[16:46] <daftykins> XD
[16:46] <diddledan> hehe
[16:46] <daftykins> so that game installed at 40 minutes
[16:46] <daftykins> now it's downloading a 1.3GB patch
[16:46] <Myrtti> daftykins: Destiny?
[16:46] <daftykins> nah, i've had Destiny for a while and it's way smaller than this
[16:46] <diddledan> so it's 11 minutes +/- 30 minutes
[16:46] <daftykins> this is a new racing game, Forza Horizon 2
[16:47] <Myrtti> we had a good laugh earlier when it was in beta and dsample downloaded it on our FTTC connection
[16:47] <daftykins> which amazon failed to get to me for release day on Friday ^_^
[16:47] <Myrtti> his brother was away for the weekend or something and his connection at home was slow
[16:47] <Myrtti> eventually what happened was that by the time he had it downloaded and had time to play it, the beta was over :-D
[16:47] <daftykins> \o/
[16:47] <daftykins> ah the comedy, i did suspect that would happen
[16:48] <daftykins> i played a bit of the beta when i only had the xbox 360
[16:48] <daftykins> wow it looked so much worse
[16:48] <daftykins> the 360 seems only capable of pulling down ~1MB/sec too - despite my 40Mb down
[16:49] <zmoylan-pi> wow and i used to complain when it took 10 minutes to load starglider from tape on zx spectrum +2 :-)
[16:49] <zmoylan-pi> mind it was a good time to do schoo homework
[16:49] <zmoylan-pi> *school
[16:49] <diddledan> there's never a good time to do school work
[16:49] <daftykins> ^
[16:49] <daftykins> i hear that kids today have web portals to do their homework via
[16:50] <daftykins> it's a wonder they ever see the outdoors these days what with all the electronics forced upon them ¬_¬
[16:50] <zmoylan-pi> really concentrated the mind, load a game, play it and think about the problems assigned, then load another game, do the work, then play the next game, repeat till no more homework :-)
[16:50] <diddledan> wait. what's outdoors?
[16:51] <daftykins> :)
[16:51] <DJones> diddledan: Its like indoors, but cold, wet, dark, windy etc
[16:51] <diddledan> is outdoors the VR that exists beyond your living space?
[16:51] <diddledan> if so I didn't like it
[16:52] <zmoylan-pi> you haven't been to ireland DJones :-p
[16:54] <DJones> Only Belfast
[17:19] <safiyyah> hi everyone, I cannot seem to burn an ISO in my system. I am running 14.04 (which was an upgrade from the normal sys upgrades. I wanted to load it into a disk and do a clean install because at the moment I do not have a seperate home partition.
[17:20] <safiyyah> All the DVD disk I burn, 8 in total, still come up as a blank disk AFTER the disk burner tells me it was a success, last week we thought my DVD burner was faulty so this one is brand new, got it out of the pack today!
[17:20] <safiyyah> Also the bootable USB, doesn't seem to get picked up. I am on a BIOS system.
[17:21] <safiyyah> Apart from sorting out my partitions, at this point am fed up so if I can sort out my partitions without needing a clean install then, am fine with that too
[17:21] <daftykins> how did you make the USB up?
[17:21] <daftykins> also welcome back
[17:21] <safiyyah> daftykins, using the startup disk thingi
[17:21] <DJones> Heh https://twitter.com/BBCEngland/status/519145207288590336/photo/1
[17:21] <daftykins> did you md5 your downloaded ISO to be sure it's ok?
[17:21] <safiyyah> daftykins, thank you,
[17:22] <safiyyah> if that means that command where you get a number to compare then yes did that already
[17:22] <daftykins> ok so what i would do is totally format the flash drive, then try putting the ISO onto it with "dd" instead
[17:23] <safiyyah> dd?
[17:23] <daftykins> e.g. lets say the flash drive is /dev/sdc, "sudo dd if=/path/to/file.iso of=/dev/sdc bs=4K"
[17:23] <safiyyah> okay will put the flash drive... we have to find it first
[17:23] <safiyyah> lspci?
[17:24] <daftykins> "sudo fdisk -l"
[17:24] <daftykins> to identify it, size would be the most obvious metric
[17:25] <safiyyah> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8508795/
[17:25] <safiyyah> I think its the  sdc1
[17:26] <safiyyah> it's a 4gb flash drive
[17:27] <daftykins> yep, but you will use dd to write straight to the device
[17:27] <daftykins> so don't use sdc1, but 'sdc'
[17:27] <daftykins> pretty jammy guess on my example \o/
[17:28] <daftykins> safiyyah: is sdb your old HDD and sda your new one?
[17:29] <safiyyah> sudo dd if=/home/safiyyah/Downloads/ubuntu-14.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso of=/dev/sdc bs=4K
[17:30] <safiyyah> daftykins please check if I wrote the commance properly?
[17:30] <safiyyah> i dont know why there is an sdb and an sda
[17:30] <MartijnVdS> safiyyah: command looks fine, IF you've checked if /dev/sdc is the correct one
[17:30] <safiyyah> I thought there was only an sda
[17:30] <MartijnVdS> safiyyah: you don't want to overwrite your hard disk accidentally
[17:30] <daftykins> safiyyah: yep that's perfect
[17:31] <safiyyah> and you are sure it's sdc?
[17:31] <daftykins> 100%
[17:31] <safiyyah> okay one last questions do I put i386 architecture or 64amd
[17:31] <safiyyah> I have both files
[17:32] <safiyyah> Are you guys all on the 64 now?
[17:32] <daftykins> what's your processor type and model?
[17:32] <safiyyah> I don't want to be the only one with it
[17:32] <daftykins> and system RAM
[17:32] <MartijnVdS> Use 64 unless the processor of the destination system doesn't support it
[17:32] <safiyyah> I have 2 mb of ram
[17:32] <MartijnVdS> 2 GB I hope :)
[17:32] <daftykins> "cat /proc/cpuinfo" and read the model #?
[17:32] <safiyyah> processor I think is it pentium 2?
[17:32] <daftykins> haha no it'll be a fair bit newer than a P2
[17:33] <MartijnVdS> Pentiul 2 is from 1999 or something
[17:33] <safiyyah> lol
[17:33] <MartijnVdS> It could be a Core 2 Duo?
[17:33] <safiyyah> cant remember its about 6 years old
[17:33] <safiyyah> yes its tyhe core 2 duo
[17:33] <MartijnVdS> sounds like C2D :)
[17:33] <safiyyah> yes and 2 gb of ram
[17:33] <daftykins> go amd64 then
[17:34] <daftykins> so run it as you shared :)
[17:34] <safiyyah> 2 cards of 1gb ram on the motherboard
[17:34] <safiyyah> and the motherboard is ASUS
[17:34] <daftykins> you won't see any output or progress, so just let it complete and return to the BASH prompt
[17:34] <safiyyah> just last time I had an amd 64 system it drove me mad, needing everything configured
[17:34] <safiyyah> I had to become best friend with the terminal
[17:35] <MartijnVdS> it's no longer like that
[17:35] <safiyyah> am not keen on the fight
[17:35] <safiyyah> okay cool
[17:35] <daftykins> safiyyah: the thing is, as you have two hard disks it looks like you've got two OS installs there... i'd just pick whichever one you want the OS to stay on, then turn the other disk into your /home partition. that would be easy
[17:35] <safiyyah> daftykins, that is what am trying to do
[17:35] <daftykins> you don't need to clean install then really
[17:35] <safiyyah> I want the big one as the home partion
[17:35] <daftykins> oh the big, ok
[17:36] <safiyyah> well the OS never seems t need more than 15gb
[17:36] <daftykins> indeed
[17:36] <safiyyah> I tend to have lots on my home file
[17:36] <safiyyah> downloads, pictures the works
[17:36] <daftykins> yep it's totally logical
[17:36] <safiyyah> I figured that's where I needed more space
[17:36] <daftykins> what OS installs are on each disk though 0o
[17:37] <daftykins> i.e. ubuntu versions?
[17:37] <safiyyah> lol The big one has 14.04 (upgraded from the software centre
[17:37] <safiyyah> and the other one is 12.04
[17:37] <daftykins> ah ok
[17:37] <daftykins> might as well nuke the lot and start again then yes :)
[17:37] <daftykins> however both disks are in the wrong order right now of course
[17:37] <safiyyah> yes am ready! backed all my data
[17:38] <safiyyah> am ready"
[17:38] <daftykins> it's a desktop presumably?
[17:38] <safiyyah> if the damn iso disk would work
[17:38] <safiyyah> yes desktop
[17:38] <safiyyah> cd
[17:39] <daftykins> oh well lets concentrate on getting bootable media first
[17:39] <safiyyah> okay daftykins I put the command in
[17:40] <safiyyah> the terminal is at it at the moment
[17:40] <daftykins> good stuff
[17:40] <daftykins> shouldn't be more than a few minutes
[17:40] <safiyyah> when it finishes then I take it I will get the usual prompt again
[17:40] <daftykins> have you previously identified how to get your system to display a boot menu, for device selection, at power on?
[17:40] <safiyyah> yes
[17:41] <daftykins> it's F8 on Asus boards i think
[17:41] <daftykins> as i have one of that era myself
[17:42] <safiyyah> there is no option for USB boot, it just says other
[17:42] <safiyyah> I haven't tried f8
[17:42] <safiyyah> daftykins, I think you were the one who told me to buy the board?
[17:42] <daftykins> ok, be sure to use the USB ports directly from the motherboard too
[17:42] <safiyyah> ah I have been using the ones attached to the case
[17:42] <safiyyah> okay will do
[17:43] <daftykins> err i remember speaking to you in the past, but i don't recall that specifically
[17:43] <daftykins> was it when the machine was dead at some point and you were picking a new motherboard to replace it?
[17:43] <safiyyah> yes
[17:43] <daftykins> yeah no doubt i favoured Asus then :D
[17:43] <safiyyah> I tend to replace bits as I need them
[17:44] <safiyyah> like this time I replaced the CD drive
[17:44] <safiyyah> and got a new SSD
[17:44] <safiyyah> yeah that time you told me the motherboard and the SSD
[17:44] <safiyyah> could only afford 60gb
[17:44] <daftykins> so when you do your install, you should only proceed when the installer sees the 60GB drive as sda and the 250GB as sdb... if they're the other way around it'll be far from ideal
[17:45] <safiyyah> but they got cheaper so I bought a bigger one
[17:45] <daftykins> you might end up needing to swap the SATA data cables that connect them both, to swap that order
[17:45] <safiyyah> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8508927/
[17:45] <safiyyah> I think that's the desired output
[17:45] <daftykins> looks good, do you follow me on the disk order topic?
[17:45] <safiyyah> I think I connected the larger one to SATA1
[17:45] <safiyyah> yes
[17:46] <safiyyah> isn't installer going to ask me about partitions as usual?
[17:46] <daftykins> yeah so i'd go test whether you can boot the flash drive, hitting F8 when you see either an Asus logo or just the BIOS POST screen which may say how much RAM you have...
[17:46] <daftykins> then if it does boot, i'd swap the disks before installing
[17:46] <safiyyah> okay
[17:46] <daftykins> it will, but GRUB will end up being installed to the larger disk with /home on
[17:46] <daftykins> which'd be kinda messy imo
[17:47] <safiyyah> oh noooooo
[17:47] <daftykins> anywho see if it boots and come back here i think :)
[17:47] <safiyyah> will do so
[17:47] <daftykins> unless you have another device to join IRC from
[17:47] <safiyyah> i tried it on my android phone
[17:47] <safiyyah> am too thick to make it work
[17:47] <safiyyah> lol
[17:48] <daftykins> "andchat" is pretty good
[17:48] <safiyyah> yes but I can't seem to get into the room
[17:48] <safiyyah> I ask for ubuntu-uk and that is a mess
[17:48] <safiyyah> nothing happens
[17:48] <daftykins> including the first # ?
[17:48] <safiyyah> let me get it up while I have you because that black screen and bios might be a challenge
[17:49] <daftykins> okie dokie
[17:49] <safiyyah> I only get by sorting my system out because I have you guys
[17:49] <safiyyah> am not proper techy
[17:49] <daftykins> ^_^ well it helps that you're a lot more competent than most helpees :)
[17:49] <daftykins> i didn't even have to ask you to pastebin things! :D
[17:50] <safiyyah> awww
[17:50] <safiyyah> thank you
[17:50] <safiyyah> am just reinstalling andchat
[17:51] <daftykins> cool
[17:54] <Safiyyah237> Hello
[17:55] <safiyyah> oh I got it"
[17:55] <safiyyah> i am safiyyah237 on andchat
[17:55] <safiyyah> daftykins
[17:55] <safiyyah> surprised myself there!
[17:56] <safiyyah> I practically installed all the irc apps last week and couldn't successfully get myself in
[17:56] <christopherd> I should buy you a beer!
[17:56] <safiyyah> lol
[17:56] <daftykins> :)
[17:56] <daftykins> excellent
[17:56] <safiyyah> christopherd, yes one of those posh non-alcoholic drinks lol
[17:57] <diddledan> drive-by beer?
[17:57] <safiyyah> okay see you on and chat
[17:57] <safiyyah> lol I dont drink
[17:57] <daftykins> time to power off, swap that flash drive to the motherboard ports and give the F8 boot menu a try \o/
[17:57] <safiyyah> okay
[17:57] <safiyyah> :)
[17:59] <knightwise> evening
[17:59] <Safiyyah237> daftykins it booted
[17:59] <Safiyyah237> Just need to select the hard drives properly now
[18:00] <daftykins> :D
[18:00] <daftykins> knightwise: hi
[18:00] <knightwise> hey daftykins , how are you tonight
[18:01] <daftykins> not bad ty, just lazing with a new xbox game :) or at least i might get to it eventually :D yourself?
[18:02] <knightwise> In evening class , project management prince2
[18:03] <Safiyyah237> Daftykins Okay I  can't seem to get it to pet go of the sub issue can I format to ext4
[18:03] <daftykins> ah a couple of friends did that
[18:03] <Safiyyah237> Ladt time it was abit buggy
[18:03] <daftykins> crazy expensive and really obvious, they said - just lots of management buzzwords
[18:04] <daftykins> Safiyyah237: sorry not quite following you there, did you select 'something else' during the partitioning stage? that would be the best choice here
[18:04] <daftykins> hopefully 'sda' is now the 60GB SSD
[18:04] <knightwise> daftykins: true
[18:04] <knightwise> common sense in fancy words
[18:05] <Safiyyah237> Daftykins am picking the partition but I can't move my 60gb, into sda
[18:05] <daftykins> Safiyyah237: did you swap the SATA data cables already?
[18:05] <Safiyyah237> No its still sdb
[18:06] <Safiyyah237> Oh crap no I didn't
[18:06] <daftykins> :D
[18:06] <Safiyyah237> Will start again
[18:06] <Safiyyah237> Am sorry
[18:06] <daftykins> that'll be the ticket
[18:06] <daftykins> no problem
[18:06] <daftykins> obviously power off to do that
[18:13] <Safiyyah> Daftykins why does sdb need a swap?
[18:13] <daftykins> it shouldn't do, you'll only need one swap partition overall
[18:13] <Safiyyah> I  have done it now btw,  everything is in order
[18:13] <daftykins> if you're partitioning now, i would remove everything from both disks
[18:13] <daftykins> great stuff :)
[18:14] <daftykins> i would probably put a 4GB swap file on /dev/sda along with the rest of the space for /, then make the entire sdb your /home
[18:14] <arsenip> how big are they?
[18:15] <arsenip> raid :D
[18:15] <daftykins> lol
[18:15] <daftykins> nah she doesn't need that
[18:15] <Safiyyah> Is sdb a logical or primary partition?
[18:16] <daftykins> it'll be primary
[18:17] <daftykins> only the swap on sda should be logical, though it doesn't matter either way
[18:17] <daftykins> all three can be primary
[18:17] <daftykins>  /, swap and /home
[18:19] <Safiyyah> Done
[18:19] <Safiyyah> Finally
[18:19] <Safiyyah> It's copying the files
[18:19] <daftykins> \o/
[18:19] <daftykins> should be nice and rapid USB -> SSD
[18:20] <Safiyyah> The stuff with the partitions would have driven me crazy to work out why I  can't get it to sda lol
[18:20] <daftykins> :)
[18:20] <daftykins> often i pull every other drive in a system to make sure the only drive with boot components on it, is the one with the OS installed
[18:25] <Safiyyah> Daftykins we still have the nvidia drivers to do....  5 more minutes on the install it says,  font leave me!
[18:26] <daftykins> haha, do you do anything like games that benefit from them? i'd try and get by with nouveau if it works fine for you
[18:27] <awilkins> Looks like all their servers are a bit fucked
[18:28] <awilkins> Support server is kaput
[18:28] <daftykins> not very necessary language sir
[18:29] <Safiyyah> Daftykins am hooked on compiz
[18:29] <Safiyyah> Can't live without it
[18:29] <Safiyyah> It's the thing that makes me brag to all the windows am Mac users
[18:29] <Safiyyah> Love how they just know their isn't as good lol
[18:29] <daftykins> also - who? :)
[18:29] <daftykins> Safiyyah: heh fair enough, but 3D works fine with nouveau too
[18:31] <Safiyyah237> http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B0037SHEAQ?qid=1412620239&sr=8-1&vs=1
[18:31] <Safiyyah237> I recommend this tray
[18:32] <Safiyyah237> Best thing since sliced bread
[18:32] <Safiyyah237> Holds two SSD drove,  no screws very tidy
[18:32] <Safiyyah237> Daftykins
[18:34] <daftykins> ah-har
[18:34] <daftykins> wee bit pricey :)
[18:37] <safiyyah> daftykins, okay am in the new system!
[18:37] <safiyyah> now need to solve nvidia
[18:38] <daftykins> just fire up the additonal drivers area to select an alternative driver
[18:38] <daftykins> but as i say i'm pretty sure it'll be doing all the 3D fancy stuff right now
[18:38] <safiyyah> yes am installing
[18:39] <safiyyah> this is the bit we end up calling popey on
[18:39] <safiyyah> during my last install, I made some notes which states that the best driver for my Nvidia 8400 is 173
[18:39] <daftykins> XD
[18:39] <safiyyah> which am putting
[18:40] <daftykins> yeah that makes sense, quite an old card that
[18:40] <safiyyah> also popey made me a custome made xorg.conf
[18:40] <MartijnVdS> shouldn't be necessary anymore
[18:40] <daftykins> oh yeah wasn't there some screen resolution difficulty in the past?
[18:40] <daftykins> MartijnVdS: i think there was a case involving an exotic display :>
[18:41] <daftykins> safiyyah: part of me expects the woes of the past to be due to that old driver, i definitely wouldn't try the xorg.conf until it's deemed absolutely necessary though
[18:41] <safiyyah> okay well it has installed it
[18:41] <safiyyah> let's see if the graphics go mad
[18:41] <daftykins> time to reboot and see what you get
[18:42] <safiyyah> okay, rebooting
[18:43] <Safiyyah237> Yep the crazy graphics are here!
[18:43] <safiyyah> okay
[18:43] <daftykins> soo, not quite filling the screen or something?
[18:43] <safiyyah> so now is it lol
[18:44] <safiyyah> fills the screen the resolution is very very poor
[18:44] <daftykins> remind me, does this screen connect over VGA?
[18:44] <safiyyah> right so back to the notes from last time?
[18:44] <safiyyah> yes VGA
[18:44] <daftykins> nah i wouldn't revert just yet
[18:44] <safiyyah> but I have a 21 inch screen
[18:45] <safiyyah> its a TV
[18:45] <daftykins> *nod*
[18:45] <safiyyah> thats how popey ended up making me a  file
[18:45] <daftykins> if you could install pastebinit then run "pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log" we can see what it's up to
[18:45] <safiyyah> okay so lets see the nothers
[18:46] <safiyyah> oh damn! my machine name!
[18:46] <safiyyah> we need to fix that
[18:46] <safiyyah> lol
[18:46] <daftykins> hehe
[18:46] <daftykins> someone wasn't paying enough attention during the installer ;)
[18:46] <safiyyah> safiyyah@safiyyah-System-Product-Name:~$
[18:47] <safiyyah> forgot to delete the system bit
[18:47] <safiyyah> damn!
[18:47] <daftykins> heh that's an odd one
[18:47] <daftykins> easily remedied though
[18:47] <safiyyah> right back to nvidia issues
[18:47] <safiyyah> so it's sudo aptget pastebinit ?
[18:47] <daftykins> sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[18:47] <daftykins> i'm assuming the system is fully up to date as is though
[18:48] <daftykins> may want to run a "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" to be sure first
[18:48] <safiyyah> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8509327/
[18:49] <daftykins> glancing now
[18:49] <daftykins> does anyone have any better methods than a manual edit of /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname to change the host's name? :)
[18:50] <safiyyah> okay so it is still using nouvou
[18:50] <daftykins> nope
[18:50] <daftykins> it's using nvidia
[18:50] <safiyyah> my notes say it needs to have something like loadmodule:'nvidia'
[18:50] <daftykins> safiyyah: looks like your system's not updated yet, i spy a -32 instead of -36 kernel.
[18:51] <safiyyah> okay so need to update everything?
[18:51] <daftykins> "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[18:51] <safiyyah> okay
[18:51] <safiyyah> on it
[18:52] <daftykins> so yeah it's failing to read the EDID over the VGA cable again, so that's the old issue from the past
[18:53] <safiyyah> needs 9 minutes to complete
[18:53] <safiyyah> so do we need popey's xorg.conf file?
[18:53] <daftykins> well i would personally prefer to try at least the 304 driver before giving up
[18:54] <safiyyah> will put a new graphics card on the shopping list of my next upgrade in two years lol
[18:54] <daftykins> i think the issue is more that you don't have a nice digitally connected monitor
[18:54] <daftykins> something with DVI, HDMI or displayport wouldn't have this issue
[18:54] <safiyyah> my notes say all drivers failed except the 173
[18:55] <safiyyah> I havea HDMI monitor
[18:55] <daftykins> what was failure? no picture at all?
[18:55] <daftykins> ah ok, just no HDMI out on the graphics card?
[18:55] <safiyyah> illegibile huge pixels
[18:55] <safiyyah> yes daftykins , its the graphics card that is old
[18:55] <daftykins> it should have DVI though i'd be willing to bet
[18:55] <daftykins> the wide white connector
[18:56] <safiyyah> when we do the next upgrade in two years I will buy a graphics card
[18:56] <safiyyah> gone over budget with the new SSD
[18:56] <safiyyah> and tray and DVD drive lol
[18:56] <daftykins> well, you could just have a cable that converts DVI -> HDMI, then all this would go away :>
[18:56] <safiyyah> NO MORE!
[18:56] <safiyyah> popey's magic file will make it go away
[18:56] <safiyyah> I hope!
[18:57] <safiyyah> I only do new installs when either a part of the machine dies OR the new LTS is out
[18:57] <safiyyah> so hopefully the next one is in two years
[18:57] <safiyyah> lol
[18:57]  * zmoylan-pi sees your dvi -> hdmi adapter and wonders where i put the frankencable that was vga -> dvi -> hdmi that i made for my rasp pi :-)
[18:58] <daftykins> :D
[18:58] <zmoylan-pi> it didn't work as the hdmi port is too low power so i ended up connecting the pi via scart instead which was another adventure :-)
[18:58] <daftykins> safiyyah: ok, i'd let the dist-upgrade complete, reboot, place the xorg.conf, reboot again and if the display is all perfect it'll be hostname edit time
[18:58] <safiyyah> okay
[18:58] <daftykins> SCART D: oh my word.
[18:59] <safiyyah> still 3 minutes on the upgrade left
[18:59] <zmoylan-pi> but daftykins it worked :-)
[18:59] <safiyyah> daftykins, did you check out the tray on Amazon?
[18:59] <daftykins> oh certainly, you wouldn't catch me using such an interconnect these days though ;)
[18:59] <daftykins> safiyyah: yep, tad pricey i thought
[18:59] <safiyyah> bought it for 6 quid 2 weeks ago
[19:00] <safiyyah> someone woke up and double the price
[19:00] <safiyyah> but it is really really good
[19:00] <safiyyah> it's my favourite bit now
[19:00] <zmoylan-pi> well daftykins in my early days i used an interfaker to print out on cpm computers and input the info into serial on ancient pcs.
[19:01] <zmoylan-pi> parallel -> serial was... special
[19:01] <daftykins> :D
[19:01] <daftykins> what baud rate?
[19:01] <safiyyah> was it gksudo nautilus to get a nautilus that had super user priviledges so I can drag and drop the file?
[19:02] <daftykins> safiyyah: it definitely serves the purpose! i mostly just tape SSDs in XD
[19:02] <zmoylan-pi> usually 2400/4800 as 9600 was just too fast :-)
[19:02] <daftykins> safiyyah: yep but gksudo isn't installed as default anymore i think
[19:02] <safiyyah> oh damn
[19:02] <safiyyah> how do i put it in?
[19:02] <daftykins> run it, then it should tell you what package needs to be installed to provide it
[19:03] <safiyyah> sudo apt-get install gksu
[19:03] <safiyyah> let the update finish then install gksu and then reboot
[19:04] <safiyyah> I don't know how they boosted the price in two weeks so much
[19:04] <daftykins> evil amazon marketplace sellers i guess
[19:04] <safiyyah> in any case, it's really good
[19:05] <daftykins> safiyyah: just a thought then, if that TV has HDMI in and you don't use it - and the graphics card has DVI out... http://www.amazon.co.uk/Premium-HDMI-Cable-Gold-Metre-Black/dp/B000GDI6FC/
[19:06] <safiyyah> I use HDMI
[19:06] <safiyyah> for my Blue Ray player
[19:06] <safiyyah> Don't have a telly
[19:06] <safiyyah> do everything via the net
[19:06] <safiyyah> and the Blue ray player
[19:07] <safiyyah> kids can watch all their bits on youtube and iplayer and several other places
[19:07] <daftykins> whatever the screen device is though
[19:07] <safiyyah> well the HDMI port it taken
[19:07] <daftykins> i guess it would be a pain to swap over each time
[19:07] <safiyyah> i would have to buy a splitter cable first
[19:08] <daftykins> well, an HDMI switcher really yeah
[19:08] <daftykins> oh well
[19:08] <daftykins> i just can't stand analogue display connections anymore
[19:08] <daftykins> you get issues like... yours :)
[19:08] <safiyyah> no we will upgrade to a new graphics card
[19:08] <safiyyah> lol
[19:08] <safiyyah> it might have a couple of options
[19:08] <daftykins> yeah but you'd still have to use VGA, so you'd still have the same problem
[19:09] <safiyyah> isnt there an HDMI splitter cable?
[19:09] <daftykins> it doesn't work like that
[19:09] <safiyyah> ah!
[19:09] <safiyyah> what about USB?
[19:09] <daftykins> doesn't carry video, yet
[19:09] <safiyyah> it has a USB port
[19:09] <safiyyah> hmmmm
[19:09] <safiyyah> we'll cross that bridge when we get to it
[19:09] <daftykins> nah that'd never work as a signal input as-is
[19:09] <daftykins> *nod*
[19:10] <safiyyah> am thinking I will need a new card purely because this one is soooo old
[19:10] <safiyyah> its a dinosaur
[19:10] <safiyyah> okay reboot time, am still on andcha
[19:14] <safiyyah> where is the xorg.conf?
[19:14] <safiyyah> I thought it was in /var
[19:15] <safiyyah> i mean /var/log
[19:15] <daftykins> /etc/X11/
[19:15] <daftykins> there won't be one right now, so you'll just be placing it
[19:15] <safiyyah> daftykins, also I might decide I was a bigger 32 inch monitor by then
[19:15] <safiyyah> want*
[19:15] <safiyyah> am sure I can get one with two HDMI ports
[19:16] <daftykins> definitely
[19:16] <daftykins> mine has like 4
[19:17] <safiyyah> yes, I have had this one for about 5 years, it was the new cool technology at the time
[19:17] <safiyyah> am sure in a couple more years I will be keen on a bigger sharper one
[19:18] <safiyyah> with more ports, so when I upgrade the graphics card it won't cause this headache
[19:18] <daftykins> mmm, i remember paying £400+ for my 24" computer screens, now they're <£200 for something great
[19:18] <safiyyah> hopefully there will be no dead part between this LTS and the next
[19:19] <safiyyah> Yeah i forked out quite a bit for this one at that time too
[19:19] <safiyyah> but for me, it's a great entertainment centre and work space
[19:19] <safiyyah> got the Pc surround sound speakers
[19:19] <daftykins> :)
[19:19] <daftykins> ah nice
[19:19] <safiyyah> it has HD
[19:19] <safiyyah> my blu ray disks appear crisp
[19:20] <safiyyah> like you can touch the image
[19:20] <safiyyah> I think it does the job
[19:20] <safiyyah> just getting greedy wanting a bigger screen
[19:20] <daftykins> :D
[19:20] <safiyyah> but am sure within 2 years, I will have gotten a new screen lol
[19:20] <safiyyah> I do my work out DVD's on it too
[19:21] <daftykins> it's a slippery slope, you can never go back once you buy a larger screen
[19:21] <safiyyah> lol
[19:21] <safiyyah> it's the work outs that make me want a big one
[19:21] <safiyyah> I am short sighted, and I dont work out with glasses
[19:21] <safiyyah> its a bit annoying coming close to the screen to see what to do
[19:22] <daftykins> ah-har
[19:22] <safiyyah> Insanity is okay, cos shaun T talks you through stuff, but Tapout really needs you to look at what is going on
[19:22] <safiyyah> TapoutXT
[19:22] <safiyyah> thats what's causing me to want the 32
[19:22] <safiyyah> but I have everything else as I want it.... sound etc
[19:23] <safiyyah> besides it's nice shouting at the screen and no-one is around to call me crazy in my own home
[19:23] <safiyyah> lol
[19:23] <safiyyah> brb I think it's reboot time
[19:24] <safiyyah> although my cat gives me wierd looks
[19:26] <safiyyah> Daftykins ITS WORKING!!!!!!!!!!!!
[19:26] <zmoylan-pi> cats give everyone weird looks, it's part of their job description
[19:26] <daftykins> popey from the past saves the day :)
[19:27] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: +1
[19:27] <safiyyah> zmoylan-pi,  lol not this breed, I have a HUGE cat, breed is called maine coon
[19:27] <safiyyah> big as a dog
[19:27] <safiyyah> weighs about 10kg
[19:27] <zmoylan-pi> well a small dog, they are fairly hefty alright
[19:27] <daftykins> this was mine last night - https://www.dropbox.com/s/mcltxzzutwnylgr/IMG_20141006_015659.jpg?dl=0
[19:27] <safiyyah> if he is giving you wierd looks, he means it lol
[19:28] <safiyyah> lol mine cat cannot fit in my lap
[19:28] <safiyyah> my*
[19:28] <safiyyah> too big
[19:28] <safiyyah> youtube main coon cats on youtube.... but be advised
[19:29] <safiyyah> if you get one, you will never want a normal cat again
[19:29] <safiyyah> as you will decide they are too dumb
[19:29] <safiyyah> dont say I didn't warn you
[19:29] <zmoylan-pi> i i shared a house with a cat that could put keys in locks and open doors
[19:29] <daftykins> XD
[19:30] <safiyyah> daftykins, is popey not around anymore?
[19:30] <daftykins> yeah he's about, just got a family and job to contend with i suspect :)
[19:31] <safiyyah> zmoylan-pi, yes my cat can reach the door handles and stuff. opens the cupboard etc
[19:31] <safiyyah> can reach the counter top to see what you are doing as well, since he is so long
[19:31] <daftykins> O_O
[19:32] <zmoylan-pi> her other speciality was opening the oven door while it was on, pulling the roasting pan to the front and hooking out sausages.  i've never known another animal to stick themselves into a fire like that
[19:32] <safiyyah> lol
[19:32] <safiyyah> my cat will NEVER put himself at risk
[19:32] <zmoylan-pi> but they were the very best of sausages :-)
[19:32] <safiyyah> he will steal the meat if it is out and cool
[19:32] <safiyyah> he cant open my oven because the door is too heavy.... got an old heavy cooker
[19:33] <daftykins> safiyyah: just the computer name change left then?
[19:33] <zmoylan-pi> my mother then decided it was time to replace the oven, she got a lot of funny looks asking in stores for an oven with a door that a cat couldn't open
[19:33] <safiyyah> was shopping about for a new one, then when I got the price of a gas range from AGA I was ready to passout and got busy ringing technicians to fix my old cooker
[19:34] <safiyyah> £4200
[19:34] <safiyyah> for a cooker!
[19:34] <zmoylan-pi> agas aren't an oven, they're a lifestyle :-)
[19:34] <daftykins> we can't buy gas cookers online or from retailers over here, our local gas supply is LPG so everything has to be converted to use it :(
[19:34] <daftykins> kinda locks you into the local gas company to supply things
[19:34] <safiyyah> zmoylan, I kept going to currys and everywhere looking at cookers and they all felt flimsy
[19:35] <safiyyah> I have an old baumatic range cooker from 15 years ago
[19:35] <safiyyah> It is SOLID
[19:35] <safiyyah> so  everything feels flimsy! even the new baumatics
[19:35] <zmoylan-pi> yeah, i could probably club the modern ovens to pieces with some of the frying pans my father had
[19:35] <zmoylan-pi> not an aga though, you can bounce a tank off them
[19:35] <safiyyah> so I have an AGA shop nearby and popped in and they felt sturdy... and more like an upgrade to my range
[19:35] <safiyyah> LOL
[19:36] <safiyyah> when I heard the price..... I had to put my tail between my legs and scoot
[19:36] <safiyyah> I just wanted a sturdy gas range... AGA does them too
[19:37] <zmoylan-pi> but your kids do get to inherit your aga
[19:37] <safiyyah> rofl
[19:37] <safiyyah> yes
[19:37] <zmoylan-pi> i think they are making /cheap/ agas now, or so i've been told
[19:37] <safiyyah> but then I think that means I can wait to buy one for my 50th birthday
[19:37] <safiyyah> I am sure I will have money for a cooker that costs that much by then!
[19:37] <zmoylan-pi> and you want to be buried in it.  just to annoy the pallbearers :-p
[19:38] <safiyyah> lol
[19:38] <safiyyah> I will leave it for the kids
[19:38] <safiyyah> lol
[19:38] <safiyyah> just in my life right now, even my car didnt cost 4200
[19:38] <safiyyah> lol
[19:38] <zmoylan-pi> my sister spent a silly amount of money having a bed custom made.  but she reckons it was worth it as it'll last well past her life time
[19:38] <safiyyah> hmmm
[19:38] <safiyyah> lol
[19:38] <safiyyah> I think the ONLY item in my house that I would spend money in is a cooker
[19:38] <safiyyah> lol
[19:39] <safiyyah> I love cooking and baking,
[19:39] <safiyyah> and am old school, got no toaster or anything, everything gets done on the cooker itself
[19:39] <zmoylan-pi> that's why i'd invest in the fastest microwave going :-p
[19:39] <safiyyah> even the old kettle is a hob one
[19:39] <safiyyah> lol
[19:39] <safiyyah> my friend came to visit and she made herself a cup of tea
[19:39] <daftykins> safiyyah: anywho i'd rename the computer by changing all references to it at the same time in the two files: /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname :) "sudo nano /etc/hosts" for example
[19:40] <safiyyah> then she realised that I also make my toast on the griddle
[19:40] <safiyyah> she told me to throw my cooker out and get the old stoves with three stones and wood
[19:40] <safiyyah> lol
[19:40] <safiyyah> daftykins
[19:40] <safiyyah> thats gedit?
[19:41] <foobarry> has anyone looked into the usb attack ?
[19:41] <daftykins> safiyyah: nah it's a terminal editor
[19:41] <safiyyah> oh crap
[19:41] <daftykins> you can use "gksudo gedit" to do it if you like, but eventually that option is going to be phased out
[19:41] <safiyyah> can we do it through gedit?
[19:41] <safiyyah> okay time to learn
[19:41] <safiyyah> okay am ready
[19:41] <safiyyah> lets learn
[19:42] <safiyyah> talk me through the whole thing because I avoid the terminal at all times and do things graphically
[19:42] <safiyyah> so am not the best at terminal talk
[19:42] <safiyyah> I also need to disable the guest account, I have a certain son of mine who wakes up at 5am to use the computer and play games
[19:43] <safiyyah> while we are all alseep
[19:43] <foobarry> askubuntu is a good site
[19:43] <foobarry> and so is a stairgate on the kid's bedroom
[19:44] <safiyyah> lol
[19:44] <foobarry> ;)
[19:44] <safiyyah> foobarry,  he is 9
[19:44] <safiyyah> will just hop over
[19:44] <foobarry> sorry, i saw 5
[19:44] <daftykins> safiyyah: sorry was just on a game there
[19:44] <foobarry> and thought 5yo
[19:44] <daftykins> safiyyah: ok so are you in nano right now?
[19:44] <safiyyah> 5am in the morning!!!
[19:44] <safiyyah> yes
[19:44] <safiyyah> daftykins yes
[19:45] <daftykins> safiyyah: hmm actually if you would "pastebinit /etc/hosts" from another terminal it'd be handy
[19:45] <safiyyah> already started changing it
[19:45] <safiyyah> daftykins
[19:45] <safiyyah> wondering how to save the changes
[19:46] <daftykins> ah ok :)
[19:46] <daftykins> ctrl+x
[19:46] <safiyyah> "pastebinit /etc/hosts
[19:46] <daftykins> then confirm the file name and hit enter
[19:46] <safiyyah> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8509691/
[19:46] <daftykins> should break out and return to the prompt from before
[19:46] <safiyyah> sorry that the old one
[19:46] <daftykins> that's alright
[19:46] <daftykins> just the one entry to change
[19:47] <safiyyah> cool
[19:47] <daftykins> now repeat for /etc/hostname
[19:47] <safiyyah> this is the changed file
[19:47] <safiyyah> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8509703/
[19:48] <daftykins> perfect
[19:48] <safiyyah> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8509709/
[19:48] <safiyyah> new hostname
[19:49] <safiyyah> I think I have to reboot for changes to take effect?
[19:49] <safiyyah> let me get that guest account disables while am at it first
[19:49] <safiyyah> as far a browsers go, are you guys still singing the praises for google chrome?
[19:49] <safiyyah> or what is everyone using now?
[19:49] <daftykins> i never personally did, though i've never used it on Linux
[19:50] <daftykins> firefox all the way for me \o/
[19:50] <daftykins> with those two files edited then, a restart should give you the name updated
[19:50] <safiyyah> yes
[19:51] <safiyyah> just getting rid of the guest account
[19:51] <safiyyah> http://askubuntu.com/questions/451526/removing-guest-session-at-login-in-ubuntu-14-04
[19:51] <safiyyah> thanks for teaching me about nano
[19:51] <safiyyah> I would have been wondering what the hell it was just about now
[19:52] <daftykins> haha, and that one actually tells you the commands... vi just makes my mind boggle
[19:52] <daftykins> it's a text editor where even the command to quit the program involves hitting escape then writing :q! to quit without saving, i think
[19:52] <zmoylan-pi> vi... is an adventure.  something you will eventually have to face and master :-)
[19:52] <daftykins> never bothered to learn that one
[19:52] <daftykins> have to? surely not ;)
[19:53] <daftykins> i am a little concerned about the deprecation of gksu though
[19:53] <zmoylan-pi> some day you'll find yourself on an unfamiliar system with only vi ;-)
[19:53] <safiyyah> okay rebooting.... moment of truth
[19:53] <zmoylan-pi> and it is a good editor with some great features if you can master them
[19:54] <daftykins> i'm sure it is, but i just don't understand this mindset that wants to complicate even a text editor
[19:55] <safiyyah> daftykins.... all done!
[19:55] <safiyyah> no guest account too
[19:55] <safiyyah> right now onto favourite packages etc, the fun bit.
[19:55] <safiyyah> and a gnome desktop
[19:55] <safiyyah> still cannot abide unity
[19:56] <daftykins> ^_^
[19:56] <daftykins> what were you using, gnome3?
[19:58] <safiyyah> gnome 3
[19:58] <safiyyah> OMG youtube Adverts are loading!!!!!
[19:58] <safiyyah> HELP HELP HELP
[19:58] <safiyyah> I didn't have those before!!!!!
[20:02] <daftykins> lol
[20:02] <daftykins> maybe you installed adblock
[20:04] <safiyyah> lol
[20:04] <safiyyah> yes get rid of the blasted things!!!!
[20:04] <arsenip> whatcha upto daftykins ?
[20:05] <daftykins> arsenip: just got Forza Horizon 2 today for the xbone :D
[20:05] <arsenip> oo
[20:06] <arsenip> that's the one with a lambo hurracan in the ad?
[20:06] <daftykins> i am painting my BMW Z4 :O
[20:06] <arsenip> lol
[20:06] <arsenip> good choice.
[20:06] <arsenip> imola red.
[20:06] <daftykins> could be yeah, orange thing? i'm not really up on cars but i enjoy the challenge
[20:06] <daftykins> the new vibration feedback in the triggers is amazing O_O
[20:06] <arsenip> orange is like some funky colour
[20:07] <arsenip> if its a new Z4, (E89) you wont be able to do imola :(
[20:09] <daftykins> i meant orange in the ad, but now i think about it, maybe it was yellow
[20:10] <arsenip> it was yellow in the ad yeah.
[20:10] <daftykins> ah yis
[20:10] <arsenip> http://thesupercarkids.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/forza_horizon_2.jpg
[20:10] <daftykins> arsenip: not sure if you saw my talk about how long the game took to install XD 36GB install from BD, 40 minutes
[20:10] <safiyyah> daftykins, is there a reason why ubuntu if sticking with the window controls on the right instead of the left?
[20:10] <daftykins> safiyyah: 'being different' i think is about as close to their official reason :D
[20:11] <diddledan> wait, the window contropls are on the right again?
[20:15] <daftykins> i don't even know. i don't use ubuntu as a desktop, much less with unity
[20:16] <diddledan> I tend to rely on the availability of adobe photoshop for work so I am usually elsewhere than ubuntu when working and thus tend to stay elsewhere in my offtime
[20:17] <diddledan> os x wins out unfortunately
[20:18] <daftykins> i can't stand the window management in that OS
[20:18] <diddledan> I'd love to immerse myself in ubuntu goodness but adobe software is kind-of a dealbreaker
[20:18] <daftykins> or rather, mismangement :>
[20:18] <safiyyah> lol
[20:18] <daftykins> i know it's never the same nor even a good idea, but i heard PS support through WINE got vastly improved recently?
[20:18] <safiyyah> PS?
[20:20] <diddledan> well I'll be violated by monkey!: https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=29832
[20:20] <diddledan> it says it works
[20:20] <diddledan> whoknew
[20:20] <daftykins> arsenip: i think i've improved it from the default dark blue - https://www.dropbox.com/s/p3nf2wtrrbe7x2q/IMG_20141006_211939.jpg?dl=0
[20:21] <daftykins> safiyyah: Adobe Photoshop
[20:21] <diddledan> there's a yoof with a sewing machine tied to a pair of wheels outside
[20:21] <daftykins> diddledan: i did! :D
[20:21] <diddledan> he's annoying me
[20:21] <diddledan> aah, he just sped-off
[20:22] <arsenip>  lol daftykins
[20:22] <diddledan> "what does not: UI Tooltips (once a tooltip shows, it never disappears)"
[20:22] <diddledan> that could end up annoying
[20:22] <daftykins> :D
[20:26] <daftykins> diddledan: can't have it all! but you're a pro so you use all the keyboard shortcuts right? :)
[20:26] <diddledan> lol
[21:43] <ali1234> hey does anyone remember a couple of years ago when i said that opening linux to mainstream users will just lead to developer burnout?
[21:44] <safiyyah> and did it?
[21:44] <ali1234> yup
[21:44] <ali1234> we had two meltdowns in the past week
[21:44] <safiyyah> at the office or here?
[21:44] <ali1234> on the internet
[21:44] <ali1234> neither ubuntu developers however
[21:44] <safiyyah> i think we can attribute the melt downs to modern life
[21:45] <ali1234> nope
[21:45] <safiyyah> need to reboot
[21:46] <daftykins> ali1234: you know what this means
[21:46] <daftykins> more devs needed
[21:46] <ali1234> does it mean i was right all along?
[21:46] <ali1234> well yeah, that was my whole point
[21:46] <daftykins> oh ok
[21:46] <ali1234> we need more devs if we are going to have more users
[21:46] <daftykins> time to get recruiting!
[21:47] <ali1234> specifically, if we drive away one developer for every ten users we gain, that is not a win
[21:47] <ali1234> all that does is increase the workload for the developers who are left
[21:48] <safiyyah> daftykins, sorry got carried away shopping for wallpaper. There was one that said 'your distro, your rules' can't find it!!! anyway..... when I log in there is no choice to switch to gnome
[21:48] <safiyyah> i installed it!
[21:48] <daftykins> safiyyah: hmm, i don't know how to switch sessions with lightdm i'm afraid
[21:49] <Myrtti> ali1234: who? lennart and/or someone else?
[21:49] <daftykins> perhaps one of these fine channel members can point you in the right direction
[21:49] <ali1234> Myrtti: lennart and mjg
[21:50] <safiyyah> lol
[21:50] <safiyyah> anyone?
[21:50] <ali1234> you have to click a little arrow thing to open the advanced controls?
[21:50] <ali1234> although lightdm has different "skins"
[21:51] <safiyyah> nothing is going to sell unity to me ali
[21:51] <safiyyah> nothing
[21:51] <safiyyah> its crap and I dont like it
[21:51] <ali1234> i agree totally
[21:51] <ali1234> i can't stand unity or gnome
[21:51] <directhex> i empathise with lennart, and 100% support mjg59
[21:52] <Myrtti> mjg didn't stop intel bigfixing because of open source and linux people though
[21:52] <safiyyah> lol ali1234  you are mr xfce?
[21:52] <ali1234> safiyyah yes
[21:52] <safiyyah> cant stand xfce either
[21:52] <safiyyah> its better than unity
[21:52] <directhex> i've been the villain for contributing to open source. i've had to explain to a therapist "yeah, there are websites dedicated to attacking me & driving me out of my hobby communities because i donate my free time in the wrong places"
[21:52] <ali1234> xfce is not easy to use
[21:52] <safiyyah> but I think I came onto linux in gutsy
[21:52] <safiyyah> and fell for gnome
[21:52] <safiyyah> and never fell out of love
[21:53] <ali1234> it's not for everyone, but unlike unity and gnome it doesn't try to be
[21:53] <directhex> Myrtti, they're the same people.
[21:53] <ali1234> so we're perfectly okay with people not liking it :)
[21:53] <directhex> Myrtti, try my browser extension, it helps add clarity to the issue
[21:53] <safiyyah> okay am just installing gnome (again) for some reason it didn't install last time
[21:53] <safiyyah> then am back on track with the clicking Ali
[21:54] <safiyyah> and where is one to click exactly?
[21:54] <ali1234> on the login screen there's should be like a ">" next to your user name
[21:54] <ali1234> or it might point down, i don't remember
[21:54] <ali1234> if you click it it opens some more options
[21:55] <Myrtti> possibly, bu... what, huh, browser extension? uh, no. I try to keep both problems at arms length.
[21:55] <daftykins> safiyyah: xfce has really come along in the last while, i have xubuntu installed on some old laptop somewhere and i find it lovely
[21:55] <daftykins> none of the fancy effects on that one though i think, it's non-compositing?
[21:55] <daftykins> if that's even the correct term.
[21:57] <safiyyah> daftykins, I will check for xfce youtube videos and let you know now
[21:58] <ali1234> directhex: do you remember the first time we ever spoke on irc?
[21:59] <directhex> ali1234, no. i have little memory, short or long term.
[21:59] <directhex> wouldn't mind if i was a pothead, at least there'd be a reason
[22:01] <ali1234> well, i remember it, because you were extremely rude to me... and i was just trying to help you get your ps3 dvd remote to work
[22:01] <safiyyah> ali1234, I can see why you are having a love affair with xfce
[22:01] <safiyyah> completley customisable
[22:02] <safiyyah> unity must feel like prison for you
[22:03] <ali1234> safiyyah it feels more like a big ball of confusion... i have likened the unity window switcher to playing the shell game before
[22:03] <ali1234> nothing is ever in the same place twice, it's like the computer is gas-lighting me
[22:03] <directhex> ali1234, i don't remember the specifics, but it's entirely feasible. i'd like to think i've matured as the years have gone by. if i was unjustly abrasive, i'm sorry.
[22:04] <directhex> i won't pretend that's not something i might have done. and we certainly rarely agree on things. but i don't think dickery is needed over disagreement.
[22:04] <safiyyah> directhex I spilled my tea laughing at your very manly apology
[22:06] <diddledan> directhex: language! instead of d**kery use "willy..ery"
[22:06] <safiyyah> why cant it just be "I am sorry, can we start over" no... in true manly fashion, we must first explain what is right about us (in this case we have now matured),
[22:06] <ali1234> directhex: thank you. apology accepted
[22:06] <safiyyah> anyone else notice this about men
[22:06] <safiyyah> ?
[22:07] <directhex> safiyyah, i hadn't, but you could well be right.
[22:07] <safiyyah> OMG! this gnome installation is going to take all night
[22:07] <safiyyah> directhex, well atleast you made up :)
[22:08] <directhex> safiyyah, i'd love to think that i benefit from being capable of introspection
[22:08] <safiyyah> directhex, do not use that route to apologise to a woman, it will be percieved that you are trying to say that you did no wrong, and the 'wrong' is based on the woman's perception of the deed, in which case you are not really sorry
[22:09] <safiyyah> and then the argument will continue
[22:09] <safiyyah> because now the problem will be that you don't get what you did wrong....
[22:10] <safiyyah> directhex, am not pointing at introspection, I sometimes just enjoy the differences between the genders, we are just very different.
[22:11] <ali1234> i think another factor in all this is that the common enemy (microsoft) has now been defeated... and the anger is now turning in on itself
[22:11] <directhex> safiyyah, ok. i took your comments as somewhat patronising. i've been married 8 years & know how to communicate with my wife when apologies are needed.
[22:12] <safiyyah> directhex, am not in your marriage.... all due respect. I cannot comment on how well you do or do not do things there
[22:12] <safiyyah> its a sacred union. You would know the best way around your wife
[22:13] <safiyyah> I commented 'women' not 'wife'
[22:13] <directhex> fair enough
[22:13] <directhex> i should go to bed. a bottle of archers is not the best lens for discussion of some topics.
[22:13] <safiyyah> sorry you felt patronised
[22:15] <safiyyah> software centre seems to have crashed
[22:15] <safiyyah> can I kill it and restart the install?
[22:15] <safiyyah> ali1234,
[22:16] <ali1234> no
[22:16] <safiyyah> I have to leave it?
[22:16] <ali1234> no, that won't work either
[22:16] <ali1234> you have to figure out why it has frozen
[22:17] <ali1234> it might have popped a requester under another window
[22:17] <ali1234> or you might have another package manager open
[22:17] <ali1234> or it might be the bug where it does this
[22:17] <safiyyah> no
[22:17] <safiyyah> none of the above
[22:18] <safiyyah> it's grayed itself out
[22:18] <ali1234> if you kill it, it may leave the system in an inconsistent state, so i wouldn't recommend it
[22:18] <ali1234> you may have no choice though
[22:19] <safiyyah> well I am trying to install gnome
[22:19] <safiyyah> can't I kill it and reinstall the same thing?
[22:19] <ali1234> maybe
[22:19] <safiyyah> won't that fix the problem?
[22:20] <ali1234> it will probably just get to the same point and then freeze again
[22:21] <safiyyah> interesting point, the software centre just continued where it left off
[22:21] <safiyyah> the marker was still showing half way
[22:21] <ali1234> software center doesn't actually install anything, it is done by a background process
[22:22] <safiyyah> it didnt restart the installation, just continued again
[22:23] <ali1234> yes because you only killed the front end, not the background process
[22:23] <ali1234> i bet it still won't finish though
[22:23] <ali1234> or it might just take a really long time
[22:23] <safiyyah> damn!
[22:23] <safiyyah> it
[22:23] <ali1234> who knows? software centre doesn't provide any feedback about what the installer is doing, so there's no way to tell
[22:23] <safiyyah> it's starting to grey out again
[22:23] <ali1234> there is a log somewhere which might reveal what is happening
[22:24] <safiyyah> I think I have to purge all the files and start again
[22:24] <safiyyah> question is what am I purging
[22:25] <safiyyah> Oh!!!! it finished!
[22:25] <safiyyah> wonder of wonders
[22:30] <safiyyah> okay am calling it a night, got gnome going
[22:30] <safiyyah> night all
[22:33] <daftykins> nn
[22:34] <daftykins> nice to hear from you again \o
[22:40] <daftykins> http://twitch.tv/daftpunkle - doing a little bit of streaming of Forza Horizon 2
[22:40] <daftykins> love that you can do this now :)
[22:46] <safiyyah> daftykins, thank you so much for today!
[23:03] <popey> daftykins: that koenigsegg looks fun ☻
[23:03] <daftykins> ^_^
[23:05] <daftykins> it sure was!
[23:06] <popey> its amazing quality video streaming
[23:07] <daftykins> that's good, this is the xbox one using the built in twitch streaming app
[23:07] <daftykins> i'd been having issues recently but given i only have 5Mb upload it's pretty decent :)
[23:07] <daftykins> no perceivable slowdown on the console, too
[23:10] <popey> it was not much different than watching a locally recorded lets play
[23:10] <popey> buffered a tiny bit now and then
[23:10] <popey> not much
[23:13] <ali1234> i tried to stream on twitch the other day but i only have 500kB upstream; it didn't really work very well
[23:14] <ali1234> also i had to install the real ffmpeg to make open broadcaster work
[23:14] <ali1234> other than that it was surprisingly easy to set up
[23:14] <daftykins> neat :)
[23:14] <daftykins> popey: ta for the feedback! :)
[23:15] <ali1234> open broadcaster is a pretty nice app - it can composite a bunch of arbitrary video streams from multiple sources into a real time feed
[23:15] <daftykins> is that the one i hear referred to as 'obs'?
[23:15] <ali1234> yes
[23:19] <ali1234> this game has good graphics
[23:20] <daftykins> indeed! where it really shines, but hasn't come up in my game here yet... is the weather effects
[23:20] <daftykins> they are absolutely jaw dropping
[23:20] <ali1234> can you knock over trees?
[23:21] <ali1234> the lighting is beautiful but i'm guessing most of it is baked?
[23:21] <daftykins> trees tend to be immovable, but shrubs and bushes etc are quite destructible this time
[23:21] <ali1234> ah... but do they have nice shadows? ;)
[23:21] <daftykins> case in point 8D
[23:22] <daftykins> (several seconds delay in the feed of course)
[23:23] <ali1234> somewhat difficult to tell. i think that the sign post had a dynamic shadow though
[23:25] <daftykins> aww i saw a great zela (or rather Link) thing to put on the side of my car earlier
[23:25] <daftykins> it looked muchly amusing :>
[23:25] <daftykins> (i'm not really into ricing up cars)
[23:25] <ali1234> find one that says "yoloswag" or something
[23:28] <ali1234> isn't that basically the mitsubishi logo?
[23:28] <daftykins> triforce :D from Zelda also
[23:29] <daftykins> ah what, it messed up O_O
[23:29] <ali1234> are there other people driving around in your game that see your car?
[23:30] <ali1234> if so, how do they prevent you painting offensive things on it?
[23:30] <daftykins> at present the other drivers are 'driveatars' based upon game data from people on my friends list or other randomers
[23:30] <daftykins> eventually, i'll be able to get online and be in freeroam public sessions where others would see them yep
[23:31] <daftykins> haha i don't think they have, i'd imagine there might be an attempt at worded profanity but no ideas on prevention of it
[23:31] <ali1234> does it save in the cloud? do you see your friend's car designs even though they're not actually driving the ai car in your game?
[23:32] <daftykins> yep - one of my friends i've seen driving around in this car but with one of the designs from the marketplace
[23:32] <daftykins> (you can make and sell them, with in-game currency)
[23:33] <daftykins> just virtually earnt through racing i believe, no actual in-game purchasing
[23:33] <ali1234> if you make a really good design you can sell it to other players?
[23:33] <daftykins> yip! let me have a quick look at the market
[23:34] <daftykins> so i saw a friend driving around in this one earlier
[23:34] <ali1234> that's crazy!
[23:35] <daftykins> lol at this design
[23:39] <daftykins> aww boo i failed
[23:43] <ali1234> seems like the RNG got you that time
[23:44] <ali1234> if that other car hadn't been turning left...
[23:45] <daftykins> *nod* pesky traffic
[23:45] <daftykins> couldn't correct in time
[23:46] <ali1234> and now you're offline
[23:46] <daftykins> ah :( perhaps it has decided to flake out still
[23:48] <daftykins> it seems i'm not getting the full effect as only two friends have played the demo so far, not bought it
[23:51] <ali1234> ah you're back
[23:52] <daftykins> oddly i found it had quit the twitch app, so i had to kick it into action again
[23:52] <daftykins> i think it's time to stop for tonight now though :D