=== zmoylan-1i is now known as zmoylan-pi [06:44] morning boys and girls. [07:23] morning all [07:31] morning MooDoo [07:33] how are you brobostigon [08:57] hi [08:57] hello [08:57] who are here? [08:58] Many are sort of semi-here and only listening when interesting things happen [09:43] Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy Ecological Debt Day! :-D [09:44] yes, that sounds like a happy day [09:58] Laney, it's prompted talk of animals towing cars and running payday loans companies... I created a monster! [10:04] if only the government could just declare the ecological debt cleared [10:11] JamesTait: but animals pulling cars would surely release more methane into the atmosphere and that wouldn't be good === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [12:31] aloha [12:31] yo [12:32] yo [12:34] * popey needs moar sleep [12:34] me too. :) [12:35] popey: too much ogging? [12:35] really enjoyed your talk at the weekend aquarius [12:35] cool! [12:35] indeed, too much ogg, not enough camp [12:35] :-p [12:35] the trick to sleeping under your desk is to have the cables in your hand so you can say you were trying to fix a wonky cable [12:35] it was, I am assured, recorded, so once Dan provides me with the recording I'll publish it and the slides [12:35] but people seem to have found it useful and enjoyed it [12:36] which is gratifying :) [12:37] yeah, I'm re-thinking a couple of my app plans [12:37] also, my wife asked me last night "do you know how to make mobile apps?" [12:37] "why?" [12:37] "The kids at school have to make some, the ICT teacher might be bugging you about it" [12:37] aha! [12:37] Niamh had to do that. [12:38] We used an online service that let you drag a few things together to make apps [12:38] http://www.adsy.me/ is not the one Niamh and I used (because that was a couple of years ago) but it is better. [12:38] http://www.adsy.me/: adsy.me - create free mobile applications [12:38] might wanna look at it [12:39] uh [12:39] who owns snarfit ? [12:39] popey: it was an experryment on behalf of daftykins [12:39] popey: it's mine [12:40] !bots [12:40] Hi! I'm #ubuntu-uk's favorite infobot, you can search my brain yourself at http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi | Usage info: http://ubottu.com/devel/wiki/Plugins | Bot channels and general info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Bots | Make a clone of me: /msg lubotu3 botclone [12:40] bah [12:42] indeed === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [12:51] aquarius: if you remember what it was Niamh used, lemme know [12:51] is adsy no good? [12:51] the one Niamh used was worse [12:51] but adsy didn't exist then :) [12:52] popey: ogg is that a new beer? [12:55] aquarius: oh, dunno, i just assumed the one you'd used would have been better [12:56] nah, I would have used adsy if it had existed. The one we used was pretty shonky, but this was a couple of years ago :) [12:57] asdy doesn't let you offline them? [12:57] like you talked about [12:57] ah, don't know, I didn't look at that [12:57] I think it's probably just online [12:58] he one NIamh and I used didn't either [12:58] making offline apps is hard [12:58] huh, http://www.quora.com/Are-offline-mobile-web-apps-coming-soon says that adsy does offline! [12:58] http://www.quora.com/Are-offline-mobile-web-apps-coming-soon: Are offline mobile web apps coming soon? - Quora [13:05] Oggcamp is in birmingham next year ? [13:05] really [13:05] well it could be worse [13:05] czajkowski: says who ? ☻ [13:06] https://twitter.com/bobobex/status/519111062285996032 [13:06] https://twitter.com/bobobex/status/519111062285996032: Becky Newborough on Twitter: "Home from @oggcamp. Had a lovely time (don't we always!). Looking forward to next year's event in Birmingham organised by @dick_turpin :D" [13:06] what is snarfit [13:06] you may have a broken sense of humour [13:06] or becky does [13:06] popey: I was wondering.. [13:06] note the smiley [13:06] what happened the offical irc bot ? [13:06] snarfit is a bot that displays the title of the page of the urls posted i think [13:07] if it's on the internet it must be true, that's a universal law [13:07] so oggcamp will now have to be in birmingham next year [13:07] christel: :D ZMOG!! [13:07] :s [13:07] * christel snuggles czajkowski [13:07] hello my dear! [13:11] anyone on Utopic hitting this bug daily ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+bug/1368217 [13:11] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+bug/1368217: Bug #1368217 “chromium-browser crashed with SIGSEGV” : Bugs : “chromium-browser” package : Ubuntu [13:11] Launchpad bug 1368217 in chromium-browser (Ubuntu) "chromium-browser crashed with SIGSEGV" [Medium,Confirmed] [13:28] snarfit vs lubotu3 .... FIGHT! [13:29] 400 quatloos on the newcomer... [13:29] "snarfit uses Tweet Parser. It's super effective!" [13:31] Ugh, the general interconnectedness of internet things is creeping me out a bit [13:31] GF got us tickets to a taiko concert [13:31] I must have mentioned taiko once on Hangouts [13:32] Spotify is now suggesting albums of taiko music to me [13:32] Creepy [13:34] daftykins: see the trouble you get me into?! :-p [13:35] it's supposed to ignore launchpad urls [13:36] oh I see - I have it ignoring a different url pattern [13:36] launchpad.net/bugs vs bugs.launchpad.net === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [16:23] diddledan: did you get a wrist slap? ^_^ [16:24] did you already discuss it with popey? [16:24] daftykins: I'm not sure, but I feel violated :-p there were questions but nobody has said "NO! FOR THE LOVE OF MARK, NO!" yet [16:25] freenode guidelines say, I think, that you shouldn't run a bot on a channel without discussing and getting an explicit go-ahead from the ops. [16:25] so, I guess the question is, have you? [16:26] oops [16:26] daftykins: you're a bad influence :-p [16:26] it should really be a no brainer, especially if the bot speaks. [16:28] I guess we need to ask ourselves: what would sabdfl do? :-D [16:28] hey i didn't go "diddledan i command you to make a bot!" :D [16:28] daftykins: wait, you didn't? [16:28] daftykins: I'm sure that's what I heard [16:30] thank tux for channel logs [16:31] this is pretty crazy, i'm installing a new game on my xbox one. 36GB it's putting on [16:31] jee that's hooge [16:33] it said you could start it up after 11 minutes of copy, but i've timed the whole lot to see [16:33] nearing 90% after 32 mins D: [16:33] that's near enough 11 minutes, right? [16:36] i wonder what bluray's data rate is [16:36] i can hear the waft of air coming from this thing but it doesn't sound particularly flat out [16:37] * Myrtti still stares at snarfit [16:38] * diddledan cuddles Myrtti [16:38] :-p [16:38] that's what you get! :-p [16:39] maybe I'm uptight and grumpy but I'm not impressed. I certainly hope you're talking to someone about the bot right now, because I can't think of any other reason why it's still on the channel. [16:40] maybe I should just go watch O'Reilly webinars or something. [16:40] it's still here because I've been busy elsewhere and haven't had a chance to shut it down [16:40] I'm just bringing it down now [16:40] see? gone [16:42] Myrtti: i'd say calm down, your response is totally mismatched to the topic at hand [16:43] daftykins: I know, and I did mention it. [16:43] yep that diddledan should've known better, but equally he's a very reasonable chap that would easily reverse an action at the first sign of a request [16:44] i'd sooner put more effort into sorting out certain other areas of the freenode community [16:44] oh you don't want me to go that route... I'd set everything on fire. [16:45] and have S'mores \o/ [16:45] no patience for it, is it? [16:45] daftykins: how dare you state that I'm reasonable. The bloomin' liberty to suggest that I'll do what I'm asked! :-p [16:46] XD [16:46] hehe [16:46] so that game installed at 40 minutes [16:46] now it's downloading a 1.3GB patch [16:46] daftykins: Destiny? [16:46] nah, i've had Destiny for a while and it's way smaller than this [16:46] so it's 11 minutes +/- 30 minutes [16:46] this is a new racing game, Forza Horizon 2 [16:47] we had a good laugh earlier when it was in beta and dsample downloaded it on our FTTC connection [16:47] which amazon failed to get to me for release day on Friday ^_^ [16:47] his brother was away for the weekend or something and his connection at home was slow [16:47] eventually what happened was that by the time he had it downloaded and had time to play it, the beta was over :-D [16:47] \o/ [16:47] ah the comedy, i did suspect that would happen [16:48] i played a bit of the beta when i only had the xbox 360 [16:48] wow it looked so much worse [16:48] the 360 seems only capable of pulling down ~1MB/sec too - despite my 40Mb down [16:49] wow and i used to complain when it took 10 minutes to load starglider from tape on zx spectrum +2 :-) [16:49] mind it was a good time to do schoo homework [16:49] *school [16:49] there's never a good time to do school work [16:49] ^ [16:49] i hear that kids today have web portals to do their homework via [16:50] it's a wonder they ever see the outdoors these days what with all the electronics forced upon them ¬_¬ [16:50] really concentrated the mind, load a game, play it and think about the problems assigned, then load another game, do the work, then play the next game, repeat till no more homework :-) [16:50] wait. what's outdoors? [16:51] :) [16:51] diddledan: Its like indoors, but cold, wet, dark, windy etc [16:51] is outdoors the VR that exists beyond your living space? [16:51] if so I didn't like it [16:52] you haven't been to ireland DJones :-p [16:54] Only Belfast === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD [17:19] hi everyone, I cannot seem to burn an ISO in my system. I am running 14.04 (which was an upgrade from the normal sys upgrades. I wanted to load it into a disk and do a clean install because at the moment I do not have a seperate home partition. [17:20] All the DVD disk I burn, 8 in total, still come up as a blank disk AFTER the disk burner tells me it was a success, last week we thought my DVD burner was faulty so this one is brand new, got it out of the pack today! [17:20] Also the bootable USB, doesn't seem to get picked up. I am on a BIOS system. [17:21] Apart from sorting out my partitions, at this point am fed up so if I can sort out my partitions without needing a clean install then, am fine with that too [17:21] how did you make the USB up? [17:21] also welcome back [17:21] daftykins, using the startup disk thingi [17:21] Heh https://twitter.com/BBCEngland/status/519145207288590336/photo/1 [17:21] did you md5 your downloaded ISO to be sure it's ok? [17:21] daftykins, thank you, [17:22] if that means that command where you get a number to compare then yes did that already [17:22] ok so what i would do is totally format the flash drive, then try putting the ISO onto it with "dd" instead [17:23] dd? [17:23] e.g. lets say the flash drive is /dev/sdc, "sudo dd if=/path/to/file.iso of=/dev/sdc bs=4K" [17:23] okay will put the flash drive... we have to find it first [17:23] lspci? [17:24] "sudo fdisk -l" [17:24] to identify it, size would be the most obvious metric [17:25] http://paste.ubuntu.com/8508795/ [17:25] I think its the sdc1 [17:26] it's a 4gb flash drive [17:27] yep, but you will use dd to write straight to the device [17:27] so don't use sdc1, but 'sdc' [17:27] pretty jammy guess on my example \o/ [17:28] safiyyah: is sdb your old HDD and sda your new one? [17:29] sudo dd if=/home/safiyyah/Downloads/ubuntu-14.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso of=/dev/sdc bs=4K [17:30] daftykins please check if I wrote the commance properly? [17:30] i dont know why there is an sdb and an sda [17:30] safiyyah: command looks fine, IF you've checked if /dev/sdc is the correct one [17:30] I thought there was only an sda [17:30] safiyyah: you don't want to overwrite your hard disk accidentally [17:30] safiyyah: yep that's perfect [17:31] and you are sure it's sdc? [17:31] 100% [17:31] okay one last questions do I put i386 architecture or 64amd [17:31] I have both files [17:32] Are you guys all on the 64 now? [17:32] what's your processor type and model? [17:32] I don't want to be the only one with it [17:32] and system RAM [17:32] Use 64 unless the processor of the destination system doesn't support it [17:32] I have 2 mb of ram [17:32] 2 GB I hope :) [17:32] "cat /proc/cpuinfo" and read the model #? [17:32] processor I think is it pentium 2? [17:32] haha no it'll be a fair bit newer than a P2 [17:33] Pentiul 2 is from 1999 or something [17:33] lol [17:33] It could be a Core 2 Duo? [17:33] cant remember its about 6 years old [17:33] yes its tyhe core 2 duo [17:33] sounds like C2D :) [17:33] yes and 2 gb of ram [17:33] go amd64 then [17:34] so run it as you shared :) [17:34] 2 cards of 1gb ram on the motherboard [17:34] and the motherboard is ASUS [17:34] you won't see any output or progress, so just let it complete and return to the BASH prompt [17:34] just last time I had an amd 64 system it drove me mad, needing everything configured [17:34] I had to become best friend with the terminal [17:35] it's no longer like that [17:35] am not keen on the fight [17:35] okay cool [17:35] safiyyah: the thing is, as you have two hard disks it looks like you've got two OS installs there... i'd just pick whichever one you want the OS to stay on, then turn the other disk into your /home partition. that would be easy [17:35] daftykins, that is what am trying to do [17:35] you don't need to clean install then really [17:35] I want the big one as the home partion [17:35] oh the big, ok [17:36] well the OS never seems t need more than 15gb [17:36] indeed [17:36] I tend to have lots on my home file [17:36] downloads, pictures the works [17:36] yep it's totally logical [17:36] I figured that's where I needed more space [17:36] what OS installs are on each disk though 0o [17:37] i.e. ubuntu versions? [17:37] lol The big one has 14.04 (upgraded from the software centre [17:37] and the other one is 12.04 [17:37] ah ok [17:37] might as well nuke the lot and start again then yes :) [17:37] however both disks are in the wrong order right now of course [17:37] yes am ready! backed all my data [17:38] am ready" [17:38] it's a desktop presumably? [17:38] if the damn iso disk would work [17:38] yes desktop [17:38] cd [17:39] oh well lets concentrate on getting bootable media first [17:39] okay daftykins I put the command in [17:40] the terminal is at it at the moment [17:40] good stuff [17:40] shouldn't be more than a few minutes [17:40] when it finishes then I take it I will get the usual prompt again [17:40] have you previously identified how to get your system to display a boot menu, for device selection, at power on? [17:40] yes [17:41] it's F8 on Asus boards i think [17:41] as i have one of that era myself [17:42] there is no option for USB boot, it just says other [17:42] I haven't tried f8 [17:42] daftykins, I think you were the one who told me to buy the board? [17:42] ok, be sure to use the USB ports directly from the motherboard too [17:42] ah I have been using the ones attached to the case [17:42] okay will do [17:43] err i remember speaking to you in the past, but i don't recall that specifically [17:43] was it when the machine was dead at some point and you were picking a new motherboard to replace it? [17:43] yes [17:43] yeah no doubt i favoured Asus then :D [17:43] I tend to replace bits as I need them [17:44] like this time I replaced the CD drive [17:44] and got a new SSD [17:44] yeah that time you told me the motherboard and the SSD [17:44] could only afford 60gb [17:44] so when you do your install, you should only proceed when the installer sees the 60GB drive as sda and the 250GB as sdb... if they're the other way around it'll be far from ideal [17:45] but they got cheaper so I bought a bigger one [17:45] you might end up needing to swap the SATA data cables that connect them both, to swap that order [17:45] http://paste.ubuntu.com/8508927/ [17:45] I think that's the desired output [17:45] looks good, do you follow me on the disk order topic? [17:45] I think I connected the larger one to SATA1 [17:45] yes [17:46] isn't installer going to ask me about partitions as usual? [17:46] yeah so i'd go test whether you can boot the flash drive, hitting F8 when you see either an Asus logo or just the BIOS POST screen which may say how much RAM you have... [17:46] then if it does boot, i'd swap the disks before installing [17:46] okay [17:46] it will, but GRUB will end up being installed to the larger disk with /home on [17:46] which'd be kinda messy imo [17:47] oh noooooo [17:47] anywho see if it boots and come back here i think :) [17:47] will do so [17:47] unless you have another device to join IRC from [17:47] i tried it on my android phone [17:47] am too thick to make it work [17:47] lol [17:48] "andchat" is pretty good [17:48] yes but I can't seem to get into the room [17:48] I ask for ubuntu-uk and that is a mess [17:48] nothing happens [17:48] including the first # ? [17:48] let me get it up while I have you because that black screen and bios might be a challenge [17:49] okie dokie [17:49] I only get by sorting my system out because I have you guys [17:49] am not proper techy [17:49] ^_^ well it helps that you're a lot more competent than most helpees :) [17:49] i didn't even have to ask you to pastebin things! :D [17:50] awww [17:50] thank you [17:50] am just reinstalling andchat [17:51] cool [17:54] Hello [17:55] oh I got it" [17:55] i am safiyyah237 on andchat [17:55] daftykins [17:55] surprised myself there! [17:56] I practically installed all the irc apps last week and couldn't successfully get myself in [17:56] I should buy you a beer! [17:56] lol [17:56] :) [17:56] excellent [17:56] christopherd, yes one of those posh non-alcoholic drinks lol [17:57] drive-by beer? [17:57] okay see you on and chat [17:57] lol I dont drink [17:57] time to power off, swap that flash drive to the motherboard ports and give the F8 boot menu a try \o/ [17:57] okay [17:57] :) [17:59] evening [17:59] daftykins it booted [17:59] Just need to select the hard drives properly now [18:00] :D [18:00] knightwise: hi [18:00] hey daftykins , how are you tonight [18:01] not bad ty, just lazing with a new xbox game :) or at least i might get to it eventually :D yourself? [18:02] In evening class , project management prince2 [18:03] Daftykins Okay I can't seem to get it to pet go of the sub issue can I format to ext4 [18:03] ah a couple of friends did that [18:03] Ladt time it was abit buggy [18:03] crazy expensive and really obvious, they said - just lots of management buzzwords [18:04] Safiyyah237: sorry not quite following you there, did you select 'something else' during the partitioning stage? that would be the best choice here [18:04] hopefully 'sda' is now the 60GB SSD [18:04] daftykins: true [18:04] common sense in fancy words [18:05] Daftykins am picking the partition but I can't move my 60gb, into sda [18:05] Safiyyah237: did you swap the SATA data cables already? [18:05] No its still sdb [18:06] Oh crap no I didn't [18:06] :D [18:06] Will start again [18:06] Am sorry [18:06] that'll be the ticket [18:06] no problem [18:06] obviously power off to do that === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [18:13] Daftykins why does sdb need a swap? [18:13] it shouldn't do, you'll only need one swap partition overall [18:13] I have done it now btw, everything is in order [18:13] if you're partitioning now, i would remove everything from both disks [18:13] great stuff :) [18:14] i would probably put a 4GB swap file on /dev/sda along with the rest of the space for /, then make the entire sdb your /home [18:14] how big are they? [18:15] raid :D [18:15] lol [18:15] nah she doesn't need that [18:15] Is sdb a logical or primary partition? [18:16] it'll be primary [18:17] only the swap on sda should be logical, though it doesn't matter either way [18:17] all three can be primary [18:17] /, swap and /home [18:19] Done [18:19] Finally [18:19] It's copying the files [18:19] \o/ [18:19] should be nice and rapid USB -> SSD [18:20] The stuff with the partitions would have driven me crazy to work out why I can't get it to sda lol [18:20] :) [18:20] often i pull every other drive in a system to make sure the only drive with boot components on it, is the one with the OS installed [18:25] Daftykins we still have the nvidia drivers to do.... 5 more minutes on the install it says, font leave me! [18:26] haha, do you do anything like games that benefit from them? i'd try and get by with nouveau if it works fine for you [18:27] Looks like all their servers are a bit fucked [18:28] Support server is kaput [18:28] not very necessary language sir [18:29] Daftykins am hooked on compiz [18:29] Can't live without it [18:29] It's the thing that makes me brag to all the windows am Mac users [18:29] Love how they just know their isn't as good lol [18:29] also - who? :) [18:29] Safiyyah: heh fair enough, but 3D works fine with nouveau too [18:31] http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B0037SHEAQ?qid=1412620239&sr=8-1&vs=1 [18:31] I recommend this tray [18:32] Best thing since sliced bread [18:32] Holds two SSD drove, no screws very tidy [18:32] Daftykins [18:34] ah-har [18:34] wee bit pricey :) [18:37] daftykins, okay am in the new system! [18:37] now need to solve nvidia [18:38] just fire up the additonal drivers area to select an alternative driver [18:38] but as i say i'm pretty sure it'll be doing all the 3D fancy stuff right now [18:38] yes am installing [18:39] this is the bit we end up calling popey on [18:39] during my last install, I made some notes which states that the best driver for my Nvidia 8400 is 173 [18:39] XD [18:39] which am putting [18:40]