| ochosi | well, he asked whether we had changed the wallpaper name (which we haven't) or the gsettings schema | 00:00 |
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| bluesabre | nope, all the same | 00:00 |
| bluesabre | still a symlink | 00:00 |
| ochosi | yup | 00:01 |
| ochosi | so i told him that both of us had looked into it without result | 00:01 |
| ochosi | hope he'll come up with something | 00:02 |
| ochosi | but we'll better ping him about it on tuesday or something | 00:02 |
| bluesabre | ok, sounds like a good idea | 00:02 |
| ochosi | other than that, i think we're heading pretty much straight for the release, nothing much left for now, or did i miss anything? | 00:06 |
| bluesabre | its smooth sailing from here | 00:07 |
| ochosi | good good | 00:07 |
| ochosi | then we can start planning the next cycle early | 00:07 |
| bluesabre | yup | 00:07 |
| ochosi | i feel a lot less exhausted than after 14.04 | 00:07 |
| ochosi | maybe start with a simple list and then translate that into blueprints/workitems or trello | 00:08 |
| ochosi | that is actually one more issue we should discuss at some point | 00:08 |
| ochosi | (trello and where to go with that) | 00:08 |
| bluesabre | indeed | 00:08 |
| bluesabre | I'm trying to get a headstart on the next menulibre, with a reset button for some of the dreadful bugs... and need to get my patches together for light-locker | 00:09 |
| ochosi | right, l-l 1.6 would be a good goal for 15.04 | 00:10 |
| ochosi | and theoretically we can either integrate l-l-s with l-l or integrate l-l's settings with xfpm | 00:11 |
| bluesabre | yeah | 00:13 |
| bluesabre | some good goals so far | 00:13 |
| ochosi | then possibly continue reviewing our default apps set | 00:16 |
| bluesabre | if geary would add PGP support, I'd totally be pushing for that | 00:16 |
| bluesabre | the current release is insanely stable and fast | 00:17 |
| ochosi | actually even without that, we could look into it | 00:17 |
| ochosi | then it might also make sense to look at alternatives for firefox | 00:17 |
| ochosi | (midori again?) | 00:17 |
| bluesabre | its pretty stable, just wondering when the gtk3+npapi build will be default | 00:18 |
| ochosi | yeah, we could ask around | 00:18 |
| ochosi | as long as it's not lts, we could give that a trial run | 00:18 |
| bluesabre | gotta be careful not to become xfce-elementary though | 00:19 |
| bluesabre | :) | 00:19 |
| ochosi | haha | 00:19 |
| ochosi | well, do we? | 00:19 |
| ochosi | frankly, i don't mind. xubuntu resembled gnome2 pretty closely when i joined | 00:20 |
| bluesabre | thats true | 00:20 |
| ochosi | it's obvious that not every distro/desktop will have its unique set of apps | 00:20 |
| ochosi | and that's actually also quite good | 00:20 |
| ochosi | there is enough fragmentation as it is | 00:20 |
| bluesabre | thats true | 00:21 |
| ochosi | also, you can't easily customize elementary, while you can do that with xfce | 00:21 |
| ochosi | (or pantheon, if that is actually the name of their DE, never sure..) | 00:22 |
| bluesabre | yeah | 00:22 |
| bluesabre | I'm getting repetitive :) | 00:22 |
| ochosi | hehe | 00:22 |
| bluesabre | say something I can disagree with | 00:22 |
| bluesabre | :D | 00:22 |
| ochosi | that's fine, as long as i can continue being right | 00:23 |
| ochosi | we could look into fixing any outstanding greeter issues too btw | 00:23 |
| bluesabre | yup | 00:23 |
| ochosi | oh, how serious were you about re-forking gnome-screensaver? | 00:23 |
| bluesabre | don't want to start the fork unless there is a serious need | 00:24 |
| bluesabre | will there be a vt-switch free light-locker before the next lts? | 00:24 |
| ochosi | righty, well it would be good to put a lid on the resume issues before the next lts | 00:24 |
| ochosi | that is exactly the question | 00:24 |
| ochosi | i haven't seen cavalier around a lot lately (or at all, to be truthful) | 00:24 |
| ochosi | i know i won't have time to look into making ll emulate lightdm | 00:25 |
| ochosi | and actually, what originally made gnome-screensaver nice was that it worked with any display manager | 00:25 |
| ochosi | but yeah, the visual consistency is not as good as it gets like that | 00:25 |
| bluesabre | yeah, there's good and bad to each solution | 00:26 |
| ochosi | (although with gtk-greeter, we also use *one* gtk theme for all users) | 00:26 |
| ochosi | i think we could probably patch using the current user's wallpaper into gnome-screensaver | 00:26 |
| ochosi | with accountsservice | 00:26 |
| bluesabre | yeah, for sure | 00:26 |
| ochosi | and then make the layout resemble gtk-greeter | 00:27 |
| ochosi | in its default xubuntu setup | 00:27 |
| ochosi | and that would be enough for almost all users | 00:27 |
| ochosi | (except those that fiddle with the login screen) | 00:27 |
| ochosi | as long as we don't ship greeter-settings, i don't see a big problem with that | 00:27 |
| ochosi | we could most likely patch out all gnome depends | 00:28 |
| ochosi | and still keep stuff like fadeout | 00:28 |
| ochosi | we might have to create a new/separate settings dialog | 00:28 |
| ochosi | or integrate it with xfpm | 00:28 |
| ochosi | and we'd have to give it a new name and add support to xflock | 00:28 |
| bluesabre | honestly, we could probably add a locker to the greeter code | 00:28 |
| bluesabre | lightdm-gtk-locker | 00:29 |
| ochosi | right, but why would that not do a vt switch? | 00:29 |
| ochosi | i mean after all lightdm causes the vt switch, not the greeter, right? | 00:29 |
| bluesabre | we just wouldn't vt-switch... we'd only use the same code for drawing the lock screen | 00:29 |
| ochosi | oh | 00:29 |
| bluesabre | since the code is there to interpret the UI paremeters | 00:30 |
| ochosi | righ | 00:30 |
| ochosi | t | 00:30 |
| ochosi | so integrate it in the same package/code | 00:30 |
| ochosi | that would work | 00:30 |
| bluesabre | yeah, thats an option | 00:30 |
| ochosi | but frankly, as the greeter code becomes more flexible and complex now, we'd have to add support for the various config options andrew added | 00:30 |
| * ochosi is not a huge fan | 00:30 | |
| bluesabre | yeah | 00:31 |
| ochosi | and lightdm-gtk-locker is a misleading name, since it doesnt have anything to do with lightdm anymore | 00:31 |
| bluesabre | lockscreens are a pain | 00:31 |
| bluesabre | :) | 00:31 |
| ochosi | yup | 00:31 |
| bluesabre | you should also rename light-locker to lightdm-locker | 00:32 |
| bluesabre | the non-lightdm users are around :) | 00:32 |
| ochosi | i guess we could sneak out of most problems by calling that new gnome-screensaver fork xubuntu-locker | 00:32 |
| ochosi | so all users of other distros would get their bugs marked as invalid | 00:32 |
| ochosi | true that | 00:32 |
| ochosi | i guess in a weekend we could whip up that new fork... | 00:33 |
| ochosi | not sure whether light-locker2.0 can be done so quickly | 00:33 |
| bluesabre | yeah | 00:37 |
| bluesabre | a weekend might be a bit of a stretch ;) | 00:37 |
| pleia2 | I have a meeting to schedule, but it's been 32432 degrees at home lately so I shun my computer | 00:41 |
| * pleia2 will get to it eventually | 00:41 | |
| ochosi | :) | 00:41 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: not sure, we can start out from where i had removed the gnome depends of gnome-screensaver | 00:42 |
| ochosi | the layout was already similar | 00:42 |
| bluesabre | pleia2: jealous... a friend of mine got married yesterday on a windy, 45F day | 00:42 |
| bluesabre | then its 65F today | 00:43 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: yeah, I guess you guys have already done most of the work | 00:43 |
| ochosi | pretty much this: https://github.com/the-cavalry/light-locker/commit/3d7cf431c6db2f23fe424ef2f52512654e38d2cf | 00:43 |
| pleia2 | 90F in my condo right now :\ san francisco octobers are the hottest time of year | 00:43 |
| ochosi | wow | 00:44 |
| bluesabre | dang | 00:44 |
| ochosi | here it's already very autumy | 00:44 |
| pleia2 | I stayed in a hotel last night :D | 00:44 |
| ochosi | (or autumny) | 00:44 |
| ochosi | (although that feels more difficult to pronounce) | 00:44 |
| * pleia2 back to non-computery things | 00:44 | |
| ochosi | hf pleia2 | 00:44 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: theoretically one could port the GnomeRR stuff to xrandr or something... | 00:49 |
| ochosi | lots of potential to spend time still | 00:49 |
| ochosi | anyway, now it's time to head to bed | 00:49 |
| skellat | bluesabre: Could LP Bug 1377717 wait until Victorious Velociraptor or do we want it in for Utopic Unicorn? | 00:50 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1377717 in xfce4-screenshooter (Ubuntu) "Sync xfce4-screenshooter 1.8.1-4 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1377717 | 00:50 |
| skellat | I just spotted it in my overwatch e-mail folder and can't seem to grasp its urgency | 00:52 |
| bluesabre | skellat: it'd probably be fine for either really... but yeah, seems non-essential | 00:52 |
| skellat | Sponsors are subscribed to it. Do you want to leave remarks as XTL as to priority? | 00:53 |
| bluesabre | it's pretty low priority... Nosckaj, I can sync that you know | 00:55 |
| bluesabre | let me know its urgency, and I can sync as early as tomorrow | 00:56 |
| ochosi | night everyone | 00:57 |
| bluesabre | night ochosi | 00:57 |
| Noskcaj | bluesabre, It's a very minor, low regression change. That was my reasoning for syncing it. | 01:09 |
| Noskcaj | just mark as invalid if you think it can wait | 01:09 |
| ochosi | morning everyone | 08:46 |
| ochosi | pleia2: hey there, any idea yet for when you wanna schedule the next meeting? | 08:49 |
| elfy | good afternoon | 12:56 |
| ochosi | hey elfy | 13:00 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: btw, the most recent geary version looks a bit odd with greybird (well, actually mostly the bottom buttonbar in the compose dialog). guess if we're checkin it out for default i have some work to do | 13:11 |
| elfy | anything happened to the black background bug at all? | 14:49 |
| elfy | sigh ... so can anyone boot a 64bit vbox and confirm that it ends up at a black screen | 14:53 |
| elfy | then go to tty1 and run sudo service lightdm status and get start/waiting | 14:53 |
| elfy | and then go to tty7 and see the login dialogue ok now | 14:53 |
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| elfy | don't worry about confirming the lightdm status | 15:17 |
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| pleia2 | so, thinking 20:00 on Tuesday the 14th for our next meeting | 17:56 |
| pleia2 | after that week I'm away from home for a month, so things get tricky | 17:56 |
| elfy | wfm - RC that week | 17:58 |
| * pleia2 nods | 17:58 | |
| knome | 20utc? | 18:06 |
| pleia2 | yeah | 18:07 |
| pleia2 | always utc | 18:07 |
| ochosi | elfy: yeah i talked to xnox about it, he promised to look into it | 18:45 |
| elfy | excellent - thanks ochosi | 18:46 |
| ochosi | i'll ping him about it again tomorrow | 18:46 |
| bluesabre | hey all | 22:17 |
| knome | hey bluesabre | 22:17 |
| bluesabre | hey knome | 22:18 |
| knome | bluesabre, again, i guess no news on the packageset updatE? | 23:35 |
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