[00:00] well, he asked whether we had changed the wallpaper name (which we haven't) or the gsettings schema [00:00] nope, all the same [00:00] still a symlink [00:01] yup [00:01] so i told him that both of us had looked into it without result [00:02] hope he'll come up with something [00:02] but we'll better ping him about it on tuesday or something [00:02] ok, sounds like a good idea [00:06] other than that, i think we're heading pretty much straight for the release, nothing much left for now, or did i miss anything? [00:07] its smooth sailing from here [00:07] good good [00:07] then we can start planning the next cycle early [00:07] yup [00:07] i feel a lot less exhausted than after 14.04 [00:08] maybe start with a simple list and then translate that into blueprints/workitems or trello [00:08] that is actually one more issue we should discuss at some point [00:08] (trello and where to go with that) [00:08] indeed [00:09] I'm trying to get a headstart on the next menulibre, with a reset button for some of the dreadful bugs... and need to get my patches together for light-locker [00:10] right, l-l 1.6 would be a good goal for 15.04 [00:11] and theoretically we can either integrate l-l-s with l-l or integrate l-l's settings with xfpm [00:13] yeah [00:13] some good goals so far [00:16] then possibly continue reviewing our default apps set [00:16] if geary would add PGP support, I'd totally be pushing for that [00:17] the current release is insanely stable and fast [00:17] actually even without that, we could look into it [00:17] then it might also make sense to look at alternatives for firefox [00:17] (midori again?) [00:18] its pretty stable, just wondering when the gtk3+npapi build will be default [00:18] yeah, we could ask around [00:18] as long as it's not lts, we could give that a trial run [00:19] gotta be careful not to become xfce-elementary though [00:19] :) [00:19] haha [00:19] well, do we? [00:20] frankly, i don't mind. xubuntu resembled gnome2 pretty closely when i joined [00:20] thats true [00:20] it's obvious that not every distro/desktop will have its unique set of apps [00:20] and that's actually also quite good [00:20] there is enough fragmentation as it is [00:21] thats true [00:21] also, you can't easily customize elementary, while you can do that with xfce [00:22] (or pantheon, if that is actually the name of their DE, never sure..) [00:22] yeah [00:22] I'm getting repetitive :) [00:22] hehe [00:22] say something I can disagree with [00:22] :D [00:23] that's fine, as long as i can continue being right [00:23] we could look into fixing any outstanding greeter issues too btw [00:23] yup [00:23] oh, how serious were you about re-forking gnome-screensaver? [00:24] don't want to start the fork unless there is a serious need [00:24] will there be a vt-switch free light-locker before the next lts? [00:24] righty, well it would be good to put a lid on the resume issues before the next lts [00:24] that is exactly the question [00:24] i haven't seen cavalier around a lot lately (or at all, to be truthful) [00:25] i know i won't have time to look into making ll emulate lightdm [00:25] and actually, what originally made gnome-screensaver nice was that it worked with any display manager [00:25] but yeah, the visual consistency is not as good as it gets like that [00:26] yeah, there's good and bad to each solution [00:26] (although with gtk-greeter, we also use *one* gtk theme for all users) [00:26] i think we could probably patch using the current user's wallpaper into gnome-screensaver [00:26] with accountsservice [00:26] yeah, for sure [00:27] and then make the layout resemble gtk-greeter [00:27] in its default xubuntu setup [00:27] and that would be enough for almost all users [00:27] (except those that fiddle with the login screen) [00:27] as long as we don't ship greeter-settings, i don't see a big problem with that [00:28] we could most likely patch out all gnome depends [00:28] and still keep stuff like fadeout [00:28] we might have to create a new/separate settings dialog [00:28] or integrate it with xfpm [00:28] and we'd have to give it a new name and add support to xflock [00:28] honestly, we could probably add a locker to the greeter code [00:29] lightdm-gtk-locker [00:29] right, but why would that not do a vt switch? [00:29] i mean after all lightdm causes the vt switch, not the greeter, right? [00:29] we just wouldn't vt-switch... we'd only use the same code for drawing the lock screen [00:29] oh [00:30] since the code is there to interpret the UI paremeters [00:30] righ [00:30] t [00:30] so integrate it in the same package/code [00:30] that would work [00:30] yeah, thats an option [00:30] but frankly, as the greeter code becomes more flexible and complex now, we'd have to add support for the various config options andrew added [00:30] * ochosi is not a huge fan [00:31] yeah [00:31] and lightdm-gtk-locker is a misleading name, since it doesnt have anything to do with lightdm anymore [00:31] lockscreens are a pain [00:31] :) [00:31] yup [00:32] you should also rename light-locker to lightdm-locker [00:32] the non-lightdm users are around :) [00:32] i guess we could sneak out of most problems by calling that new gnome-screensaver fork xubuntu-locker [00:32] so all users of other distros would get their bugs marked as invalid [00:32] true that [00:33] i guess in a weekend we could whip up that new fork... [00:33] not sure whether light-locker2.0 can be done so quickly [00:37] yeah [00:37] a weekend might be a bit of a stretch ;) [00:41] I have a meeting to schedule, but it's been 32432 degrees at home lately so I shun my computer [00:41] * pleia2 will get to it eventually [00:41] :) [00:42] bluesabre: not sure, we can start out from where i had removed the gnome depends of gnome-screensaver [00:42] the layout was already similar [00:42] pleia2: jealous... a friend of mine got married yesterday on a windy, 45F day [00:43] then its 65F today [00:43] ochosi: yeah, I guess you guys have already done most of the work [00:43] pretty much this: https://github.com/the-cavalry/light-locker/commit/3d7cf431c6db2f23fe424ef2f52512654e38d2cf [00:43] 90F in my condo right now :\ san francisco octobers are the hottest time of year [00:44] wow [00:44] dang [00:44] here it's already very autumy [00:44] I stayed in a hotel last night :D [00:44] (or autumny) [00:44] (although that feels more difficult to pronounce) [00:44] * pleia2 back to non-computery things [00:44] hf pleia2 [00:49] bluesabre: theoretically one could port the GnomeRR stuff to xrandr or something... [00:49] lots of potential to spend time still [00:49] anyway, now it's time to head to bed [00:50] bluesabre: Could LP Bug 1377717 wait until Victorious Velociraptor or do we want it in for Utopic Unicorn? [00:50] Launchpad bug 1377717 in xfce4-screenshooter (Ubuntu) "Sync xfce4-screenshooter 1.8.1-4 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1377717 [00:52] I just spotted it in my overwatch e-mail folder and can't seem to grasp its urgency [00:52] skellat: it'd probably be fine for either really... but yeah, seems non-essential [00:53] Sponsors are subscribed to it. Do you want to leave remarks as XTL as to priority? [00:55] it's pretty low priority... Nosckaj, I can sync that you know [00:56] let me know its urgency, and I can sync as early as tomorrow [00:57] night everyone [00:57] night ochosi [01:09] bluesabre, It's a very minor, low regression change. That was my reasoning for syncing it. [01:09] just mark as invalid if you think it can wait [08:46] morning everyone [08:49] pleia2: hey there, any idea yet for when you wanna schedule the next meeting? [12:56] good afternoon [13:00] hey elfy [13:11] bluesabre: btw, the most recent geary version looks a bit odd with greybird (well, actually mostly the bottom buttonbar in the compose dialog). guess if we're checkin it out for default i have some work to do [14:49] anything happened to the black background bug at all? [14:53] sigh ... so can anyone boot a 64bit vbox and confirm that it ends up at a black screen [14:53] then go to tty1 and run sudo service lightdm status and get start/waiting [14:53] and then go to tty7 and see the login dialogue ok now === cyphermox_ is now known as cyphermox [15:17] don't worry about confirming the lightdm status === mhall119_ is now known as mhall119 [17:56] so, thinking 20:00 on Tuesday the 14th for our next meeting [17:56] after that week I'm away from home for a month, so things get tricky [17:58] wfm - RC that week [17:58] * pleia2 nods [18:06] 20utc? [18:07] yeah [18:07] always utc [18:45] elfy: yeah i talked to xnox about it, he promised to look into it [18:46] excellent - thanks ochosi [18:46] i'll ping him about it again tomorrow [22:17] hey all [22:17] hey bluesabre [22:18] hey knome [23:35] bluesabre, again, i guess no news on the packageset updatE?