[00:00] <ochosi> well, he asked whether we had changed the wallpaper name (which we haven't) or the gsettings schema
[00:00] <bluesabre> nope, all the same
[00:00] <bluesabre> still a symlink
[00:01] <ochosi> yup
[00:01] <ochosi> so i told him that both of us had looked into it without result
[00:02] <ochosi> hope he'll come up with something
[00:02] <ochosi> but we'll better ping him about it on tuesday or something
[00:02] <bluesabre> ok, sounds like a good idea
[00:06] <ochosi> other than that, i think we're heading pretty much straight for the release, nothing much left for now, or did i miss anything?
[00:07] <bluesabre> its smooth sailing from here
[00:07] <ochosi> good good
[00:07] <ochosi> then we can start planning the next cycle early
[00:07] <bluesabre> yup
[00:07] <ochosi> i feel a lot less exhausted than after 14.04
[00:08] <ochosi> maybe start with a simple list and then translate that into blueprints/workitems or trello
[00:08] <ochosi> that is actually one more issue we should discuss at some point
[00:08] <ochosi> (trello and where to go with that)
[00:08] <bluesabre> indeed
[00:09] <bluesabre> I'm trying to get a headstart on the next menulibre, with a reset button for some of the dreadful bugs... and need to get my patches together for light-locker
[00:10] <ochosi> right, l-l 1.6 would be a good goal for 15.04
[00:11] <ochosi> and theoretically we can either integrate l-l-s with l-l or integrate l-l's settings with xfpm
[00:13] <bluesabre> yeah
[00:13] <bluesabre> some good goals so far
[00:16] <ochosi> then possibly continue reviewing our default apps set
[00:16] <bluesabre> if geary would add PGP support, I'd totally be pushing for that
[00:17] <bluesabre> the current release is insanely stable and fast
[00:17] <ochosi> actually even without that, we could look into it
[00:17] <ochosi> then it might also make sense to look at alternatives for firefox
[00:17] <ochosi> (midori again?)
[00:18] <bluesabre> its pretty stable, just wondering when the gtk3+npapi build will be default
[00:18] <ochosi> yeah, we could ask around
[00:18] <ochosi> as long as it's not lts, we could give that a trial run
[00:19] <bluesabre> gotta be careful not to become xfce-elementary though
[00:19] <bluesabre> :)
[00:19] <ochosi> haha
[00:19] <ochosi> well, do we?
[00:20] <ochosi> frankly, i don't mind. xubuntu resembled gnome2 pretty closely when i joined
[00:20] <bluesabre> thats true
[00:20] <ochosi> it's obvious that not every distro/desktop will have its unique set of apps
[00:20] <ochosi> and that's actually also quite good
[00:20] <ochosi> there is enough fragmentation as it is
[00:21] <bluesabre> thats true
[00:21] <ochosi> also, you can't easily customize elementary, while you can do that with xfce
[00:22] <ochosi> (or pantheon, if that is actually the name of their DE, never sure..)
[00:22] <bluesabre> yeah
[00:22] <bluesabre> I'm getting repetitive :)
[00:22] <ochosi> hehe
[00:22] <bluesabre> say something I can disagree with
[00:22] <bluesabre> :D
[00:23] <ochosi> that's fine, as long as i can continue being right
[00:23] <ochosi> we could look into fixing any outstanding greeter issues too btw
[00:23] <bluesabre> yup
[00:23] <ochosi> oh, how serious were you about re-forking gnome-screensaver?
[00:24] <bluesabre> don't want to start the fork unless there is a serious need
[00:24] <bluesabre> will there be a vt-switch free light-locker before the next lts?
[00:24] <ochosi> righty, well it would be good to put a lid on the resume issues before the next lts
[00:24] <ochosi> that is exactly the question
[00:24] <ochosi> i haven't seen cavalier around a lot lately (or at all, to be truthful)
[00:25] <ochosi> i know i won't have time to look into making ll emulate lightdm
[00:25] <ochosi> and actually, what originally made gnome-screensaver nice was that it worked with any display manager
[00:25] <ochosi> but yeah, the visual consistency is not as good as it gets like that
[00:26] <bluesabre> yeah, there's good and bad to each solution
[00:26] <ochosi> (although with gtk-greeter, we also use *one* gtk theme for all users)
[00:26] <ochosi> i think we could probably patch using the current user's wallpaper into gnome-screensaver
[00:26] <ochosi> with accountsservice
[00:26] <bluesabre> yeah, for sure
[00:27] <ochosi> and then make the layout resemble gtk-greeter
[00:27] <ochosi> in its default xubuntu setup
[00:27] <ochosi> and that would be enough for almost all users
[00:27] <ochosi> (except those that fiddle with the login screen)
[00:27] <ochosi> as long as we don't ship greeter-settings, i don't see a big problem with that
[00:28] <ochosi> we could most likely patch out all gnome depends
[00:28] <ochosi> and still keep stuff like fadeout
[00:28] <ochosi> we might have to create a new/separate settings dialog
[00:28] <ochosi> or integrate it with xfpm
[00:28] <ochosi> and we'd have to give it a new name and add support to xflock
[00:28] <bluesabre> honestly, we could probably add a locker to the greeter code
[00:29] <bluesabre> lightdm-gtk-locker
[00:29] <ochosi> right, but why would that not do a vt switch?
[00:29] <ochosi> i mean after all lightdm causes the vt switch, not the greeter, right?
[00:29] <bluesabre> we just wouldn't vt-switch... we'd only use the same code for drawing the lock screen
[00:29] <ochosi> oh
[00:30] <bluesabre> since the code is there to interpret the UI paremeters
[00:30] <ochosi> righ
[00:30] <ochosi> t
[00:30] <ochosi> so integrate it in the same package/code
[00:30] <ochosi> that would work
[00:30] <bluesabre> yeah, thats an option
[00:30] <ochosi> but frankly, as the greeter code becomes more flexible and complex now, we'd have to add support for the various config options andrew added
[00:30]  * ochosi is not a huge fan
[00:31] <bluesabre> yeah
[00:31] <ochosi> and lightdm-gtk-locker is a misleading name, since it doesnt have anything to do with lightdm anymore
[00:31] <bluesabre> lockscreens are a pain
[00:31] <bluesabre> :)
[00:31] <ochosi> yup
[00:32] <bluesabre> you should also rename light-locker to lightdm-locker
[00:32] <bluesabre> the non-lightdm users are around :)
[00:32] <ochosi> i guess we could sneak out of most problems by calling that new gnome-screensaver fork xubuntu-locker
[00:32] <ochosi> so all users of other distros would get their bugs marked as invalid
[00:32] <ochosi> true that
[00:33] <ochosi> i guess in a weekend we could whip up that new fork...
[00:33] <ochosi> not sure whether light-locker2.0 can be done so quickly
[00:37] <bluesabre> yeah
[00:37] <bluesabre> a weekend might be a bit of a stretch ;)
[00:41] <pleia2> I have a meeting to schedule, but it's been 32432 degrees at home lately so I shun my computer
[00:41]  * pleia2 will get to it eventually
[00:41] <ochosi> :)
[00:42] <ochosi> bluesabre: not sure, we can start out from where i had removed the gnome depends of gnome-screensaver
[00:42] <ochosi> the layout was already similar
[00:42] <bluesabre> pleia2: jealous... a friend of mine got married yesterday on a windy, 45F day
[00:43] <bluesabre> then its 65F today
[00:43] <bluesabre> ochosi: yeah, I guess you guys have already done most of the work
[00:43] <ochosi> pretty much this: https://github.com/the-cavalry/light-locker/commit/3d7cf431c6db2f23fe424ef2f52512654e38d2cf
[00:43] <pleia2> 90F in my condo right now :\ san francisco octobers are the hottest time of year
[00:44] <ochosi> wow
[00:44] <bluesabre> dang
[00:44] <ochosi> here it's already very autumy
[00:44] <pleia2> I stayed in a hotel last night :D
[00:44] <ochosi> (or autumny)
[00:44] <ochosi> (although that feels more difficult to pronounce)
[00:44]  * pleia2 back to non-computery things
[00:44] <ochosi> hf pleia2 
[00:49] <ochosi> bluesabre: theoretically one could port the GnomeRR stuff to xrandr or something...
[00:49] <ochosi> lots of potential to spend time still
[00:49] <ochosi> anyway, now it's time to head to bed
[00:50] <skellat> bluesabre: Could LP Bug 1377717 wait until Victorious Velociraptor or do we want it in for Utopic Unicorn?
[00:52] <skellat> I just spotted it in my overwatch e-mail folder and can't seem to grasp its urgency
[00:52] <bluesabre> skellat: it'd probably be fine for either really... but yeah, seems non-essential
[00:53] <skellat> Sponsors are subscribed to it.  Do you want to leave remarks as XTL as to priority?
[00:55] <bluesabre> it's pretty low priority... Nosckaj, I can sync that you know
[00:56] <bluesabre> let me know its urgency, and I can sync as early as tomorrow
[00:57] <ochosi> night everyone
[00:57] <bluesabre> night ochosi
[01:09] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, It's a very minor, low regression change. That was my reasoning for syncing it.
[01:09] <Noskcaj> just mark as invalid if you think it can wait
[08:46] <ochosi> morning everyone
[08:49] <ochosi> pleia2: hey there, any idea yet for when you wanna schedule the next meeting?
[12:56] <elfy> good afternoon
[13:00] <ochosi> hey elfy 
[13:11] <ochosi> bluesabre: btw, the most recent geary version looks a bit odd with greybird (well, actually mostly the bottom buttonbar in the compose dialog). guess if we're checkin it out for default i have some work to do
[14:49] <elfy> anything happened to the black background bug at all?
[14:53] <elfy> sigh ... so can anyone boot a 64bit vbox and confirm that it ends up at a black screen
[14:53] <elfy> then go to tty1 and run sudo service lightdm status and get start/waiting
[14:53] <elfy> and then go to tty7 and see the login dialogue ok now
[15:17] <elfy> don't worry about confirming the lightdm status
[17:56] <pleia2> so, thinking 20:00 on Tuesday the 14th for our next meeting
[17:56] <pleia2> after that week I'm away from home for a month, so things get tricky
[17:58] <elfy> wfm - RC that week
[17:58]  * pleia2 nods
[18:06] <knome> 20utc?
[18:07] <pleia2> yeah
[18:07] <pleia2> always utc
[18:45] <ochosi> elfy: yeah i talked to xnox about it, he promised to look into it
[18:46] <elfy> excellent - thanks ochosi 
[18:46] <ochosi> i'll ping him about it again tomorrow
[22:17] <bluesabre> hey all
[22:17] <knome> hey bluesabre 
[22:18] <bluesabre> hey knome
[23:35] <knome> bluesabre, again, i guess no news on the packageset updatE?