[01:10]  * ScottK thinks he may not want to know about a toy to brighten apachelogger's night.
[03:38] <jussi> hrm, is there something other than upgrading that I need to do to get KF5 installed from the next ppa?
[06:11] <lordievader> Good morning.
[06:15] <jussi> morning lordievader
[06:16] <lordievader> Hey jussi, how are you doing?
[06:16] <jussi> lordievader: very tired :)
[06:17] <jussi> oh hullo valorie
[06:17] <lordievader> jussi: Here it ain't no different, didn't sleep much.
[06:17] <jussi> lordievader: i guess for very different reasons than me :)
[06:17] <valorie> {{{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}}} to the new papa
[06:18] <jussi> :)
[06:18] <valorie> so happy for you all
[06:18] <jussi> valorie: do you know the answer to my above question?
[06:18] <valorie> jussi: are you using 14.04, or 14.10?
[06:18] <lordievader> jussi: Hehe, valorie's reaction explains a lot ;)
[06:18] <valorie> different answers, depending
[06:19] <jussi> valorie: 14.04...
[06:19] <jussi> maybe ill go update first...
[06:19] <valorie> for 14.04, you add the neon5 ppa
[06:19] <soee> good morning
[06:20] <lordievader> Hey soee, how are you?
[06:20] <jussi> morning soee
[06:20] <jussi> valorie: and for 14.10?
[06:20] <soee> lordievader: super :) thanks, you ?
[06:20] <lordievader> soee: Meh, allright I guess ;)
[06:20] <soee> :)
[06:21] <valorie> for 14.10 you can use the next ppa, or just install the plasma5 iso
[06:21] <lordievader> jussi: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/next
[06:21] <valorie> I did the upgrade, but it was a bit bumpy
[06:22] <valorie> when I finally got everything working well, the computer itself started to break
[06:22] <lordievader> valorie: ugh, how nice.
[06:24] <valorie> I might be able to sort of fix the broken hinge, maybe
[06:25] <valorie> fingers crossed for luck
[06:26] <jussi> sounds annoying.
[06:27] <jussi> So for all of you who didn't catch it, our little guy's name is Emre. :)
[06:27] <valorie> welcome to the world, little emre
[06:28] <lordievader> jussi: Congratulations ;)
[06:28] <jussi> :)
[06:54] <apachelogger> valorie: mh, that url made it out to be more than it was
[06:55] <apachelogger> still good tho xD
[06:57] <valorie> <3
[06:57] <valorie> you can full-screen it!
[07:14] <jussi> valorie: now on 14.10 :9 doing upgrade :)
[07:15] <valorie> best of luck!
[07:15] <valorie> `apt full-upgrade` is quite useful
[07:16] <jussi> apt? or apt-get ?
[07:16] <SourBlue> ull-upgrade performs the function of upgrade but may also remove installed packages if that is required in order to resolve a package conflict.
[07:17] <valorie> apt
[07:17] <jussi> SourBlue: ok :)
[07:17] <valorie> all the cool kids use apt now
[07:17] <valorie> get with the times, daddy-o
[07:17] <SourBlue> Jup apt is the new way to go
[07:17] <valorie> hard to retrain the fingers from typing apt-get
[07:19] <jussi> oh, and something broke - i'll force it for now, but if someone with access can fixor: 
[07:19] <jussi> dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/libkf5sysguard5-data_4%3a5.0.95-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa4_i386.deb (--unpack):
[07:19] <jussi>  trying to overwrite '/etc/dbus-1/system.d/org.kde.ksysguard.processlisthelper.conf', which is also in package ksysguard 4:4.11.12-0ubuntu1
[07:29] <apachelogger> that data package name doesn't follow policy -.-
[07:30] <apachelogger> jussi: sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/libkf5sysguard5-data_4%3a5.0.95-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa4_i386.deb
[07:30]  * apachelogger can't be bothered to upload a new version
[07:31] <SourBlue> lol wtf i just managed to destroy my bash color profile o.O
[07:31] <SourBlue> Now everything is switched
[07:32] <SourBlue> okay never mind lol 
[07:36] <Tm_T> I never mind lols
[08:02] <apachelogger> Riddell: git buildpackage --git-export-dir=../build-area --git-tarball-dir=../build-area --git-no-create-orig --git-overlay --git-ignore-branch 
[08:02] <apachelogger> unless I forgot something that's the flags I used
[08:03] <apachelogger> except for automated tar download that pretty much makes everything behave as with a bzr branch without orig import
[08:19] <Riddell> hola
[08:31] <Riddell> apachelogger: thanks updated
[08:32] <apachelogger> we might actually want to expand our package buildy thing to also attempt getting the source
[08:32] <apachelogger> then we have full feature parity
[08:33] <apachelogger> override_dh_fixperms:
[08:33] <apachelogger>         chmod +x debian/plasma-nm/usr/share/applications/kde5-nm-connection-editor.desktop
[08:33] <apachelogger> huh
[08:46] <Riddell> http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/kf5-status/build_status_5.3.0_utopic.html looks much nicer once I take out the armhf
[08:49] <jussi> grumble - no wifi on the other machine which I upgraded :(
[08:49] <Riddell> setting up a facebook account for the new bairn?
[08:51] <apachelogger> hurr durr
[08:51] <apachelogger> Riddell: plasma-nm in next is 5.0.2
[08:51] <apachelogger> how come?
[08:56] <Pali> Riddell: have you looked at my ppa where is new .1 version?
[08:56] <Riddell> Pali: oh no sorry, I'll do that today
[08:56] <Pali> ok
[08:57] <Riddell> apachelogger: hmm dunno, I have a plasma-nm_5.0.95-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa2_source.ppa.upload here
[08:57] <Riddell> apachelogger: I'll upload again
[08:58] <apachelogger> Riddell: oh, you uploaded again? no copy on launchpad?
[08:58] <jussi> Riddell: no, definitely not 
[08:58] <jussi> anyone know how I get my wifi back?  the interface is still there in ifconfig
[09:05] <Antisound> hi folkz!
[09:05] <Riddell> apachelogger: I didn't upload again, but I must have uploaded it originally and for some reason not copied across
[09:10] <sgclark> morning
[09:12] <Riddell> hola sgclark!
[09:13] <Riddell> sgclark: how would you like to start your day filing a FFe for KF5 5.3 ?
[09:13] <sgclark> Riddell: sure, but I think I did it wrong last time
[09:14] <Riddell> no need for anything complex, just point to the PPA rather than build logs, and the upstream announcement
[09:15] <sgclark> and yeah arm sure ssaid make it look ugly lol
[09:15] <valorie> jussi: I had the same problem until I did another update
[09:15] <valorie> but I had to use nmcli to get the wifi going first
[09:15] <sgclark> ok
[09:15] <valorie> no fun, that
[09:16] <Riddell> sgclark: and only file it on one package, no need to file it on all the packages
[09:16] <sgclark> right, ScottK told me to list them all in the Ffe though
[09:18] <Riddell> you can copy and paste the list from kubuntu-automation if you want
[09:19] <sgclark> got it :)
[09:21] <sgclark> Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kio/+bug/1378243
[09:24] <Riddell> lovely
[09:25] <sgclark> anything for me to do?
[09:25] <jussi> valorie: yeah, thanks. nmcli got me back connected, seems no updates available now, plasm-desktop is being held back for some reason.
[09:27] <Riddell> sgclark: test Pali's precise packages in a virtual machine? follow up on the issues about korean fonts on the mailing list? add back skype icons to kopete? triage kubuntu-plasma5 image bugs?
[09:27] <Riddell> make a nice release image :)
[09:27] <sgclark> that sounds fun, tutorial on making images anywhere? lol
[09:29] <Riddell> I mean artwork for release, to replace this http://www.kubuntu.org/files/images/kubuntu-14.04.png
[09:30] <Riddell> which I think should be some sort of plasma4/plasma5 montage 
[09:30] <Riddell> to show the dual nature of this release
[09:30] <Riddell> maybe with the plasma5 on a tightrope to show its slightly precarious nature
[09:34] <sgclark> Not sure I inherrited any artistic genes lol, but maybe I will try after some more coffee lol
[09:35] <sgclark> will test precise while I drink said coffee
[09:35] <Riddell> good luck :)
[09:35] <sgclark> where are these packages?
[09:35] <apachelogger> lintian is one creepy thing
[09:36] <apachelogger> plasma-nm: postinst-must-call-ldconfig usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libplasmanm_internal.so
[09:36] <sgclark> indeed
[09:36] <apachelogger> overriding this will actually override aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalllllllllllllllllllll postinst-must-call-ldconfig
[09:36] <sgclark> ack
[09:38] <Riddell> sgclark: https://launchpad.net/~pali/+archive/ubuntu/kubuntu-backports/
[09:38] <sgclark> ty
[09:42] <valorie> jussi: I had to install plasma-desktop by itself, although apachelogger said that wasn't possible
[09:43] <valorie> gods, it's almost 3am
[09:43] <valorie> niters all
[09:43] <sgclark> if it is held back you can apt-get install plasma-desktop and it should install or at least tell you what is wrong
[09:43] <sgclark> night valorie
[09:44] <apachelogger> I did :O
[09:46] <jmux> Riddell: Seems they have updated the insights article
[09:47] <Riddell> "So, in 2009, the city switched to Kubuntu, a flavour of Ubuntu" woo
[09:48] <sgclark> yay
[09:48] <jmux> Is that ok for you?
[09:48] <jmux> I'm not sure if someone here already wrote a mail
[09:48] <Riddell> yeah makes me happy
[09:49] <Riddell> looks like it was bug 1339508 they responded to
[09:49] <Riddell> "
[09:49] <Riddell> Misspelling in insights article" https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website/+bug/1339508
[09:50] <jmux> I subscribed to the bug, after you told me - that's why I got the updates.
[09:50] <Riddell> thanks for your help
[09:50] <jussi> hrr
[09:51] <sgclark> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8513448/  which package is this suppose to be in?
[09:52] <jussi> Plasma crashes now. :(
[09:53] <Riddell> sgclark: oh that file moved upstream, they made it overlap
[09:53] <Riddell> sgclark: needs removed from the kio-extras package
[09:53] <jussi> or rather kwin
[09:54] <sgclark> Riddell: ok
[09:57] <sgclark> Riddell: so do I need to make a new upstream tar? otherwise it will be on list-missing
[10:00] <Riddell> sgclark: kio-extras? just let it be on list-missing and it'll go away when I make final 5.3 tars on thursday
[10:00] <sgclark> ok
[10:01] <apachelogger> mh
[10:01] <apachelogger> sgclark: you'll probably want to git cherry-pick the relevant commit(s) from unstable
[10:01] <sgclark> gonna put it in not-install apachelogger
[10:02] <sgclark> oh patch it?
[10:02] <apachelogger> no
[10:02] <apachelogger> sgclark: in the packaging repo you want to cherry-pick the kubuntu_unstable commit removing it into kubuntu_utopic_next
[10:02] <apachelogger> since unstable has it naturally gone already
[10:03] <apachelogger> additionally you need to cherrypick a bunch of commits in kio
[10:04] <Riddell> that's beginning to sound complex
[10:04] <sgclark> indeed
[10:04] <apachelogger> because it's the usual fucked up breakage
[10:05] <Riddell> quick fix until the real fix comes in 2 days makes sense to me
[10:08] <apachelogger> Riddell: yeah, that's the cherrypick
[10:08] <apachelogger> of course since shit in kio is named exactly the same one needs to fiddle with kio
[10:12] <sgclark> well I will have to leave this in the hands of someone smart enough to know what to cherry pick from where
[10:13] <Riddell> sgclark: I'd just go for the quick fix
[10:14] <apachelogger> sgclark: gitk kubuntu_unstable
[10:14] <apachelogger> find fix which seems like what we need
[10:14] <apachelogger> (happens to be the latest one)
[10:15] <apachelogger> then either right click and choose cherrypick or copy the sha1 id, go back to terminal and run git cherry-pick <paste>
[10:15] <apachelogger> alternatively since it is the latset commit you could simply git cherry-pick kubuntu_unstable
[10:16] <apachelogger> now that commit is in the next branch, so now you just need to add a changelog and add that as a separate commit
[10:16] <apachelogger> alternatively what Riddell suggested would mean ... make the change, add changelog, commit, checkout unstable, merge next
[10:17] <apachelogger> since both branches would change the same line kubuntu-ci probably would have problems with automerging it
[10:17] <apachelogger> hence why the cherrypick makes more sense
[10:17] <apachelogger> for kio it's pretty much the same thing except more crappy
[10:18] <sgclark> sweet
[10:18] <sgclark> crappy things make me happy
[10:18] <apachelogger> general workflow is the same, except you'll have a merge conflict because I did a shit revert yesterday before haivng realized the scope of screwup upstream
[10:19] <apachelogger> so I'd advise to first install sudo apt install kdiff3 
[10:20] <apachelogger> then for the sake of excerise
[10:20] <apachelogger> cherry-pick 48522d98310cc42bce18a698d8c3d5fce3a28b13 (which you could also find with gitk kubuntu_unstable)
[10:20] <apachelogger> this wil complain that there is a conflict, so you use `git mergetool`  to resolve that
[10:22] <apachelogger> this should suggest starting kdiff3, so go ahead with that and a window comes up with a 3-way-merge, left most column will be the state of the conflicting line(s) when the last merge occured, the center column is what those lines look like in the current revision of next, the right colum is what the lines look like in unstable (i.e. the remote branhc for merge), bottom view is the actual output generated after the merge
[10:23] <apachelogger> point of the 3waymerge is to select the bits from the 3 pieces that put together form the desired output
[10:23] <apachelogger> in the case at hand left will be an incomplete breaks and replaces, center will be nothing, and right will be the actually complete breaks and replaces
[10:24] <apachelogger> in the toolbar you'll find buttons called A B C, they respetively corrospond to the columns
[10:25] <apachelogger> if you activate one that part of the diff will be added to the output, so if you were to enable all three you'll get everything twice in the output at the bottom
[10:26] <apachelogger> feel free to play around with that
[10:26] <apachelogger> now since unstable/rightcolumn/remote has the data we want you'd only select C and deactivate the others
[10:26] <apachelogger> the output at the bottom should then have one breaks and one replaces with each having 2 packages listed
[10:28] <apachelogger> here comes the even more nifty part: you can now edit the output at the bottom to adjust the version information
[10:28] <apachelogger> i.e. since unstable has greater versions you'll need to change those to something like 4:5.0.95-0ubuntu1~ppawhatever~
[10:28] <apachelogger> then save the changes and quit kdiff3
[10:29] <apachelogger> merge should now be complete, you now need to git commit and all is sorted
[10:32] <apachelogger> twould be more straight forward if we had stable CI :'<
[10:39] <Riddell> jussi: Emre is a Finish name?
[10:51] <Riddell> morning Antisound 
[10:51] <ScottK> Riddell: Would someone please fix kapidox to relate to what's in the archive before upload.
[10:51] <Antisound> Riddell: morning!
[10:52] <Antisound> Riddell: thats really strange with that flickering desktop
[10:52] <Antisound> it only happens if i'm surfing with firefox
[10:52] <Antisound> not if i'm using chromium e.g.
[10:52] <Antisound> i surf around,.. the suddenly it begins to flicker 
[10:52] <Riddell> ScottK: yep that's not been uploaded yet looking now
[10:53] <Riddell> Antisound: are you using breeze window decoration or oxygen?
[10:53] <Riddell> breeze is giving me flickers
[10:53] <Antisound> breeze ;-)
[10:53] <Antisound> shall i use oxygen?
[10:54] <apachelogger> Riddell: kio is broken = no upload?
[10:54] <ScottK> kapidox shouldn't be using the pkg-kde-tools stuff.
[10:54] <Riddell> Antisound: breeze is known buggy, if you try to complain about it to the kwin maintainer he'll cry
[10:54] <Riddell> apachelogger: surely kio-extras is broken?
[10:54] <apachelogger> no
[10:54] <apachelogger> the stuff moved
[10:55] <apachelogger> so kio needs adjustment
[10:55] <apachelogger> otherwise upgrades will not work
[10:55] <Antisound> Riddell: oh -.- no poor guy
[10:55] <Antisound> Riddell: won't complain,... just want to indicate ;-)
[10:56] <sgclark> well I can am still trying to work out gitk and kdiff3, nothing is looking like apacheloggers lovely tutorial., 
[10:57] <sgclark> I think my repos are set up wrong
[10:57] <apachelogger> sgclark: git branch -a
[10:59] <apachelogger> if you do not have a local tracking branch you'll want to use gitk origin/kubuntu_unstable respectively git cherry-pick origin/kubuntu_unstable
[10:59] <apachelogger> or well, git checkout kubuntu_unstable so git setups a tracking branch for you ^^
[11:03] <Antisound> Riddell: i can't help but the bottom controlbar looks strange in oxygen
[11:04] <Riddell> bottom controlbar?
[11:04] <Antisound> don't know the english word for it
[11:04] <Antisound> the "startbar"
[11:04] <Antisound> in german its call kontrolleiste
[11:05] <Antisound> the usual bar with window indicators k-menu and so on
[11:05] <sgclark> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8513834/
[11:06] <apachelogger> sgclark: in what repo
[11:07] <apachelogger> and what command
[11:07] <apachelogger> and what branch are you on
[11:08] <shadeslayer> cherry picking merges? 0.o
[11:08] <sgclark> Branch kubuntu_utopic_next set up to track remote branch kubuntu_utopic_next from origin
[11:08] <Riddell> gosh shadeslayer alive?
[11:09] <sgclark> git cherry-pick kubuntu_unstable
[11:09] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yeah, just working for home till lunch, will be there afterwards
[11:09] <apachelogger> sgclark: in which repo
[11:09] <sgclark> kubuntu_utopic_next
[11:09] <apachelogger> repo, not branch
[11:09] <sgclark> kio-extras sorry
[11:10]  * shadeslayer had a proper headache this morning
[11:10] <apachelogger> ah yes there's a merge now
[11:10] <apachelogger> pft
[11:10] <apachelogger> and I am lagging
[11:10] <apachelogger> laaaaaaaaaag
[11:10] <apachelogger> there we go
[11:10]  * shadeslayer throws some internet at apachelogger
[11:10] <Antisound> Riddell: http://postimg.org/image/sesuca8qz/ it looks so uneven
[11:10] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: make sure your internet pipes are clean of owl's :p
[11:10] <apachelogger> sgclark: you'll want to define the actual sha1 now since there was a merge
[11:10] <Antisound> like a patchwork rug
[11:11] <apachelogger> so you need to use gitk to lookup the sha1 and cherrypick that
[11:11] <sgclark> ok
[11:13] <Riddell> Antisound: only the kwin theme is important, you can use any plasma theme you like
[11:14] <Antisound> Riddell: ah ok
[11:14] <ScottK> Hey, they fixed it: https://insights.ubuntu.com/2014/07/07/ubuntu-and-open-source-help-the-city-of-munich-save-millions/
[11:15] <Riddell> ScottK: yep our hassling worked, now I wonder what it'll take to fix that canonical ip policy!
[11:15] <shadeslayer> ^^
[11:18] <Riddell> ScottK: what do do with kapidox? we have your stuff (presumably the good stuff) in debian svn python-apps
[11:18] <Riddell> and the formulaeic stuff in pkg-kde git
[11:19] <Riddell> ScottK: should we just ignore kapidox as part of the rest of the frameworks packaging?
[11:20] <sgclark> apachelogger: can you check my kio-extras commit before I attempt kio please
[11:21] <Riddell> sgclark: I've added a breaks/replaces in kio, anything else needed?
[11:21] <apachelogger> sgclark: looks good
[11:21] <apachelogger> Riddell: merge into unstable
[11:22] <apachelogger> +Breaks: kio-extras (<< 4:5.0.95-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa6)
[11:22] <apachelogger> +Replaces: kio-extras-data (<< 4:5.0.95-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa6)
[11:22] <apachelogger> mhm
[11:22] <apachelogger> what?
[11:22] <apachelogger> what is that shit then?
[11:22] <Riddell> it replaces files
[11:22] <Riddell> what's wrong with it?
[11:24] <yofel> different package names?
[11:24]  * yofel surfaces from the deep sea
[11:25] <sgclark> hi yofel!
[11:25] <Riddell> aah
[11:26] <shadeslayer> hello!
[11:26] <apachelogger> http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/517/235/23e.jpg
[11:26] <shadeslayer> yofel: what have you been up to :p
[11:26] <yofel> drowning in work at work -.-
[11:26] <yofel> cleared up a bit now
[11:26] <shadeslayer> xD
[11:26] <sgclark> apachelogger: Riddell: so kio... what is going on?
[11:28] <Riddell> sgclark: I've fixed the breaks/reaplaces and uploaded to archive
[11:29] <Riddell> sgclark: will you upload kio-extras to next-staging and copy over?
[11:29] <sgclark> sure
[11:29] <Riddell> thanks
[11:29] <Riddell> then I can go and find some lunch
[11:30] <sgclark> what time is it there?
[11:31] <Riddell> half one
[11:31] <Riddell> actually a bit early for lunch for the locals but I'm getting peckish
[11:31] <sgclark> hehe
[11:46] <apachelogger> Riddell: you didn't wrap-and-sort
[11:47] <apachelogger> Riddell: also needs merge into unstable
[12:01] <Riddell> I probably need some pre-commit hook to run wrap-and-sort
[12:02] <sgclark> that would be nice
[12:14] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:14] <sgclark> hiiyas
[13:57] <sgclark> Riddell: me thinks we in wrong channel :)
[13:58] <Riddell> sgclark: oh aye good point
[14:03] <Riddell> Pali: I'm afraid both me and sgclark are having troubles with your 4.14.1 packages
[14:04] <Riddell> dist-upgrade to it, everything installs fine, but on log out and in it's just a black screen
[14:06] <sgclark> well I am dist upgrade in console now rather than thrugh updates, and dist-upgrade wants to remove umm like 80% of KDE
[14:06] <sgclark> soemthing is not right
[14:08]  * BluesKaj reverted to plasma 4 ..froze so often I couldn't even file a bug :)
[14:08] <BluesKaj> on plasma 5
[14:13] <sgclark> libkdeui5 : Depends: libattica0.4 (>= 0.4.2) bit it is not installable
[14:13] <sgclark> s/bit/but/
[14:17] <Pali> Riddell: can you specify exact problems? (I'm using my packages on my laptop without problems...)
[14:17] <sgclark> Pali: ^
[14:17] <sgclark> is my problem
[14:18] <Riddell> sgclark: I think that needs you to add ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports
[14:18] <sgclark> ok
[14:18] <sgclark> ty
[14:18] <Pali> yes, my ppa depends on kubuntu-ppa
[14:19] <Pali> (I'm going away now, will read backlog in 5+ hours)
[14:22] <sgclark> still not get a clean upgrade
[14:30] <sgclark> Riddell: I am going top try on hardware to see if it is a vm thing
[14:30] <sgclark> s/top/to/
[14:31] <Riddell> thanks
[14:31] <Riddell> (it probably isn't)
[14:40] <sgclark> Riddell: nevermind, I can't reboot, kio is still broken
[14:40] <Riddell> sgclark: you can force install no?
[14:40] <sgclark> ahh yes I suppose that would be a smart thing to do
[14:41] <Riddell> dpkg --install --force-overwrite foo.deb
[14:48] <sgclark> err kernel upgrade and nvidia errors scrolled by
[14:48]  * sgclark is afraid to reboot
[14:52] <Riddell> uh oh
[15:18] <sgclark> second monitor went poof :(
[15:24] <Riddell> erk
[15:57] <Mamarok> now that is odd: I wanted to add another layout to my keyboard settings, I already have German, Swiss, French and US, but I am totally unable to add a German layout anymore, it always shows me only the Swiss variant. My locae settings are US, except for the Country which is set to german
[15:58] <Mamarok> so the Swiss German and Swiss French is doable, but not the German,d espite this being actually a Germany hardware
[16:21]  * sgclark hates nvidia drivers
[16:25] <ScottK> Riddell: I'll upload kapidox to Debian tonight and sync it.  We can move it to pkg-kde when Debian is ready to upload. 
[16:26]  * Peace- loves kubuntu it's his own system since 7 years
[16:27]  * Peace- with ati ;)
[16:27] <sgclark> lol
[16:28] <Riddell> ScottK: okey dokay
[17:33] <soee> ding dong
[17:40]  * genii peeks through the eye-hole
[17:40] <sgclark> hi soee
[17:40] <soee> sgclark: on plasma5 ?
[17:41] <sgclark> yeah
[17:41] <soee> laptop maybe ?
[17:41] <soee> :)
[17:41] <sgclark> on desktop right now, trying to test a precise update on laptop
[17:42] <sgclark> trying being the operative word
[17:42] <soee> i found that after i close laptop and leave for a while than after opening from hibernation plasmashell crashes
[17:43] <sgclark> oh noes
[17:44] <soee> i see kf 5.3 released
[17:44] <soee> a lot of updates
[17:45] <sgclark> yeah, I had to do one force overwrite with kio, seem stable so far
[17:46] <soee> will check in a few minutes when downlaod is finished, he ubuntu servers seems so slow lately
[17:47] <soee> hmm big package: Pobieranie:44 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ utopic/main qtbase5-dbg amd64 5.3.0+dfsg-2ubuntu9 [122 MB]
[17:48] <yofel> use a mirror? ^^
[17:48] <yofel> or both
[17:55] <sgclark> Pali: paste.ubuntu.com/8516128 Riddell: going through dist-upgrade and letting it remove tons of stuff and then apt-get install kubuntu-desktop does end in a functional system, but not recommended for most users :(
[17:56]  * sgclark out for a bit
[18:00] <soee> sgclark: update without single error
[18:28] <yofel> Unpacking libkf5sysguard5-data (4:5.0.95-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa4) over (4:5.0.2-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa2) ...
[18:28] <yofel> dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/libkf5sysguard5-data_4%3a5.0.95-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa4_i386.deb (--unpack):
[18:28] <yofel>  trying to overwrite '/etc/dbus-1/system.d/org.kde.ksysguard.processlisthelper.conf', which is also in package ksysguard 4:5.0.95-0ubuntu1~ubun
[18:28] <yofel> tu14.10~ppa5
[18:32] <soee> yeah this is plasma i think we all had this error :)
[18:32] <soee> kf 5.3 though work fine
[18:34] <Riddell> sgclark: hmm doesn't seem great
[19:31] <sgclark> Riddell: yeah unless we can can pinpoint what causes it to want to uninstall so many packages I would not advise releasing it to the masses :(
[20:25]  * yofel looks
[20:26] <shadeslayer> I want icecream
[20:26] <shadeslayer> unfortunately, jenkins doesn't give me icecream
[20:26] <shadeslayer> :(
[20:26] <yofel> lol
[20:26] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ^^ we need a icecream plugin
[20:26]  * yofel hands shadeslayer some crushed ice
[20:27] <yofel> it sadly fell apart :P
[20:27] <shadeslayer> it'll melt by the time you transport it over TCP
[20:27] <sgclark> hehe
[20:27] <shadeslayer> if you transport it via UDP, I probably won't get it at all
[20:27] <yofel> true
[20:28] <shadeslayer> past me is such a bastard, he ate all the icecream
[20:28] <shadeslayer> and now all I have is a cough
[20:34]  * genii searches for the icecream-over-ip RFC
[20:38] <yofel> sgclark, Riddell: some of those 4.8.5 conflicts come from us not keeping all the precise backwards compatibility after trusty release. After all back then nobody planned to backport 4.14 to precise
[20:38] <sgclark> makes sense
[20:39] <yofel> not sure if there's a better way to fix those properly other than reading a lot of diffs :/
[20:39] <sgclark> I am just curious why Pali had a successful update
[20:40] <yofel> did you upgrade 4.8->4.14 or 4.13->4.14 ?
[20:40] <sgclark> or how rather
[20:40] <Pali> i updated from version from kubuntu-ppa/backports
[20:40] <sgclark> 4.8->4.14
[20:40] <yofel> yeah, guessed as much
[20:41] <yofel> sadly, we need *both* to work
[20:41] <sgclark> yeah
[20:41] <sgclark> I agree
[20:42] <yofel> Pali: digikam is uninstallable ( digikam-data : Depends: opencv-data but it is not installable)