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psusiwhere are the mesa sources?  the bzr repo on lp seems to be out of date and the Vcs-Git: header points to the debian repo... where are the ubuntu sources?02:16
pittiGood morning04:20
Mirvpitti: hey! are you ok/ack with tvoss' enabling of translations in location-service + trust-store.. directly in usr/share/locale/? two diff:s: https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-001-2-publish/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/packaging_changes_location-service_2.1+14.10.20141007.1-0ubuntu1.diff04:31
Mirvand https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-001-2-publish/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/packaging_changes_trust-store_1.1.0+14.10.20141007.4-0ubuntu1.diff04:31
pittiMirv: tvoss is speaking to me right now indeed.. looking04:32
Mirvah, ok.04:32
Mirvdespite the -bin.install adding usr/share/locale/* to it, I don't actually see them inside the deb:s04:33
pittiMirv: yeah, they get stripped during build, that's fine04:33
Mirvright, sounds more correct then04:33
Sarvattpsusi: err if noone replied earlier, all x related packages are on git.debian.org, http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-xorg/lib/mesa.git/log/?h=ubuntu05:00
TheMusoMorning willcooke.06:45
willcookehey TheMuso!06:54
willcookeSorry for the confusion :)06:54
willcookeI'm just getting ready for the school run, I'll be back in about 30 mins06:54
willcookeif you're still around, great - if not, no worries06:54
TheMusoOk, I have nothing urgent to talk about, so I'll hang around if you want to talk about anything.06:57
TheMusowillcooke: ^06:57
darkxstpitti, Laney my fix for bug 1377847 is ready for review07:13
ubot5bug 1377847 in gnome-desktop3 (Ubuntu Utopic) "unity screen saver no longer blanks nor locks automatically" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/137784707:13
darkxstI suppose adding a new dbus api is somewhat of a new feature, but the underlying idlemonitor code is not really changed much07:13
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Laneyhello08:03
* Laney is cold08:04
Laneydarkxst: ta, will look08:06
seb128good morning Laney08:07
seb128Laney, welcome to autumn08:08
LaneyI don't feel welcome >:(08:08
willcookehey Laney08:09
* willcooke is cold as well08:09
willcookeand it's soooo dark all of a sudden08:09
willcookemorning seb128 - thanks for covering the meeting yesterday.  I hope they didn't troll you too much :)08:10
willcooke(except I'm 99% sure they did)08:10
seb128willcooke, hey, it was alright, no worry ;-)08:12
Laneymorning willcooke08:12
larsumorning!08:12
Laneyseb128 is strong, he can take it08:12
Laney(also give it)08:12
Laneyhey larsu08:12
seb128(me, trolling, never!)08:13
* Laney is off friday this week so trolling thursday it is08:17
seb128off friday? slacker!08:18
seb128but alright, I can do trolling on thursday ;-)08:18
Laneyhttp://www.beerfestival.nottinghamcamra.org/Assets_pdf/BF2014_Beer_Prog_Notes.pdf08:19
seb128doh08:20
seb128how do you want to pick with so much choice?08:53
seb128(seems like I forgot to hit enter before)08:53
Laneytoo busy reading the entire list ;-)08:54
Laneyusually just go to an area and decide what looks best there08:54
Laneyyou have 1/3 pints so it's possible to try a few08:55
seb128it's also possible to get drunk, right? ;-)08:56
Laneythat is one strategy08:56
LaneyI'll have a couple of meals to reduce that risk :p08:56
seb128:-)08:56
darkxstLaney, replied08:58
darkxstno one should be using those symbols, not even sure they are really meant to be 100% public08:58
Laneydid you see the inline comment?08:59
LaneyI checked u-c-c which is the only reverse dependency and it doesn't use them08:59
Laneyso it's okay08:59
willcookeOT: 3d printer, 500 quid O_o  http://www.ebuyer.com/660756-xyzprinting-da-vinci-1-0-3d-printer-3dp01xeu00e?utm_source=2014-10-08&utm_medium=campaign_email&utm_campaign=B2C_%28Wednesday%29_All_FS09:02
willcookeCongratulations FJKong on becoming an Ubuntu member :)09:04
willcookethanks to folk who sponsored him as well09:04
darkxstLaney, no I didnt see the inline comment (and still can't)09:05
Laneychange the dropdown09:05
Laneyit clears them when you push a new revision09:05
seb128FJKong, congrats09:05
Laneyor look at the email it sent you (scroll down, it sends too much context)09:05
Laneywell done FJKong09:05
FJKongseb128: Laney willcooke thanks for your supporting09:05
FJKongit goes very well09:06
Laneyyou should get the freenode cloak now09:06
Laneybe one of the cool kids09:06
willcooke:)09:06
FJKongLaney: I need to learn about how to use that09:07
Laneymine still says "pdpc.active" but I don't think pdpc even exists any more ...09:07
Laneyhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Cloaks09:07
FJKongLaney: reading09:09
LaneyI think it comes down to 'ask someone on the IRC council'09:09
darkxstLaney, heh, they were hard to find, I don't think the log messages are too harmful? name_lost could indeed be useful if someone steals the interface09:13
Laneyg_debug at best I think09:14
darkxstLaney, sure ok09:15
Laneyrighto09:15
Laneyseb128: you want to take care of uploading? ;-)09:15
seb128Laney, uploading what?09:15
Laneyu-s-d09:15
seb128sure can do09:16
seb128what change?09:16
Laneyhttps://code.launchpad.net/~darkxst/unity-settings-daemon/lp1377847/+merge/23750709:16
Laneywaiting for one more commit09:16
seb128ok09:17
darkxst^pushed09:17
Laneyhmm09:17
Laneyhow does *-c-c decide if you have a physical mouse?09:17
Laneyhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/130308609:17
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1303086 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "Pointer Speed Missing in Unity Settings for Mouse & Trackpad" [High,Confirmed]09:17
darkxstLaney, I suspect it uses XI2 directly09:19
darkxstwell atleast current versions should, not sure how it was in 3.609:19
darkxstidle monitor - monitors all devices, it doesnt care if they are physical or virtual09:20
Laneyunrelated to that09:21
Laneyit's about 'pointer speed' and similar not showing up if the control centre decides you don't have a mouse09:21
seb128Laney, larsu: does http://paste.ubuntu.com/8519824/ looks fine to you?09:22
Laneyno, wait, I should have pushed09:22
Laneythat package is uploaded09:22
Laneydone09:23
Laneyas for the actual change, I don't know what it's doing09:23
larsuseb128: aren't there some ui files missing in the translations patch?09:24
larsuseb128: btw, I've just build jhbuild to test 3.14 and I'll have a look at why the ui.h files aren't included anymore09:24
seb128Laney, what it says in the changelog09:24
Laneyalso I don't see any rules change09:25
seb128larsu, thanks09:25
larsuooh, popovers are broken09:25
seb128Laney, copy/paste error, http://paste.ubuntu.com/8519833/09:26
seb128larsu, what .ui are missing?09:26
larsuah, cool09:26
Laneywhy do you delete more .ui.h than you add?09:26
larsuseb128: none now that you pasted the while patch09:26
larsu*whole09:26
Laneyah09:26
Laneysame problem09:27
seb128sorry guys ;-)09:27
Laneythese are generated files not included in git or something?09:27
seb128correct09:27
seb128well, the other way around09:27
seb128they are in git, not disted09:27
Laneythe .ui files?09:27
seb128larsu, is looking at it/getting it fixed upstream09:27
seb128the .ui.h09:27
seb128are in git but not disted09:28
seb128Laney, https://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/tree/gtk/resources/ui09:28
seb128they dist only the .ui09:28
seb128so intltool-update works on a git checkout, but not in the tarball09:28
Laneybut the ones you're adding are there09:28
Laneyso your patch could be good for them, or?09:28
seb128I guess it could, if they wanted to use intltool09:29
darkxstLaney, see device_type_is_present() it seems to directly ask X for input devices09:29
seb128but larsu mentioned they are trying to move away from that09:29
seb128not sure how they build their .pot09:29
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seb128Laney, so, any objection to commiting that, at least for utopic? I've a plan-B if you prefer, which is to update the pot locally and include an "update pot" patch for that version09:32
seb128I uploaded the updated pot to launchpad meanwhile09:32
Laneyseb128: seems okay, prefer an upstream solution as always09:32
Laneymake sure to re pull09:32
seb128but it's going to import to tarball one every time we do an upload and revert the manual update09:32
seb128k09:33
seb128larsu is working on an upstream solution09:33
Laneyya09:33
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willcookeseb128, question for you... I downloaded the latest desktop next ISO to test and I live booted it14:52
willcookeI get to the login screen, and now I'm stuck14:52
willcookeit wont accept any password14:52
willcookethat I type14:52
willcookeif I got to vt1 and reset the password from the default of ubuntu then I can log in14:53
willcookeis this expected?14:55
willcookewait, that's not right14:56
willcookethe default password is blank14:56
willcookeso when I change it I can log in14:56
Laneywhy doesn't it auto login?14:58
ChrisTownsendLaney: unity-greeter pops up and it doesn't accept blank passwords.14:59
willcookeoh, hai ChrisTownsend  :)14:59
ChrisTownsendLaney: And I don't think unity-greeter has auto login.  I have an open bug for a related issue.14:59
ChrisTownsendwillcooke: Hi:)14:59
Laneywhat does the desktop iso do?15:00
willcookeso yeah, just to confirm what I'm actually seeing:  I boot from the ISO, get to the U8 greeter and I can't login because the Greeter doesnt accept a blank password.  Drop to vt1 reset the password, back to vt7 and I can log in15:01
willcookeLaney, the desktop iso logs straight in to u7 session15:01
ChrisTownsendI brought up the issue willcooke is describing a few months back.15:01
willcookeOf course, you don't see this is you choose to install, because you have to set a password15:02
willcookeA fix could be that the desktop-next image has a default password of not blank15:02
willcooke?15:02
willcookefor live, I mean15:03
LaneyThe live images should take you to a desktop15:03
willcookeok, so no greeter at all?15:03
willcookejust straigt in15:04
willcookestraight15:04
seb128willcooke, ChrisTownsend, Laney, right, that's the issue ChrisTownsend reported some weeks ago, I didn't investigate on what changed, that used to work :/15:04
ChrisTownsendLaney: Hasn't for me for months.  It takes me to the Unity8 greeter, ie, lockscreen, which doesn't accept blank passwords.  Only workaround is what willcooke describes.15:04
LaneyChrisTownsend: I'm not denying there's a bug?15:04
seb128oh15:04
seb128it's not lightdm, it's unity8's lock.15:04
ChrisTownsendLaney: Right.15:05
LaneyWe made the greeter auto login work15:05
LaneyNow some unity 8 thing is breaking it15:05
Laneythat's where the fix goes15:05
willcookeIs it possible something got reverted?15:05
seb128no, it's not15:05
ChrisTownsendYeah, we have similar issue when logging into the Unity8 session from LightDM.  Greeter is still shown which is quite redundant.15:05
seb128it's that unity8's lock screen used to support only swipe15:05
seb128they added proper pam auth suppor15:06
seb128support15:06
seb128so it's a bug in unity815:06
seb128guess something for mterry15:06
willcookeshall I open a bug against U8?15:06
seb128ChrisTownsend did iirc?15:06
mterryheyo15:07
mterryseb128, oh yeah, the session starts locked15:07
ChrisTownsendseb128: I opened a similar bug which *I think* causes the same issue.  Let me try to dig that up.15:07
ChrisTownsendhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/136030715:07
mterryseb128, I'd like to fix that, but it's desktop only and you know the priority of that these days -- it will be lovingly fixed when I finally add an optional split out the greete15:07
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1360307 in unity8 (Ubuntu) "Logging in to the desktop session brings up the lock screen" [Medium,Triaged]15:07
seb128willcooke, ^ there you go, rtm first15:08
willcookeack, thanks all15:08
seb128mterry, right15:08
willcookeIn the meantime I'll document a work around on Ask Ubuntu15:09
willcookeif there isn't already15:09
Laneyseb128: can you confirm bug #1303086?15:09
seb128mterry, can we put the unity8 greeter in swipe mode on the desktop-next iso with some config?15:09
ubot5bug 1303086 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "Pointer Speed Missing in Unity Settings for Mouse & Trackpad" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/130308615:09
seb128Laney, I can't from the title, let me read the comments15:09
seb128the slider is there for me15:09
Laneyk15:10
mterryseb128, not currently15:10
Laneylarsu: what about you?15:10
seb128mterry, hum, k15:10
seb128Laney, do you get the issue?15:11
Laneyyeah15:11
LaneyI came up with a fix15:11
Laneywant someone to verify it15:11
Laneyit's quite hard to answer "do I have a mouse?" in x15:11
seb128in what conditions does it happen?15:11
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LaneyI have a wireless kb/mouse dongle thing15:11
Laneythat's not picked up right15:12
seb128well, I get the mouse slider even without mouse on my laptop15:12
larsuLaney: what about me?15:12
seb128like with the laptop undocked and no mouse connected15:12
Laneylarsu: makes sense in context: can you reproduce the bug I linked?15:13
mterryseb128, wait... I think you could...  You'd have to have a dummy account that has no password (or is in nopasswdlogin group) -- then you can set ~/.unity8-greeter-demo with the users=dummyuser setting15:13
mterryseb128, that's a bit of work though15:13
Laneyseb128: you mean you see Mouse and Pointer speed with no physical mouse?15:13
seb128Laney, wait, is that with g-c-c or u-c-c?15:13
Laneyu15:13
seb128k15:14
larsuLaney: no, I have "Mouse" and "Touchpad" sections in addition to the "General" one15:14
seb128Laney, correct15:14
seb128idem to larsu15:14
larsuLaney: I guess there are no (detected) devices on that person's machine?15:14
seb128and that's with only the laptop and its trackpad15:14
Laneyoh well15:15
larsuI think the panel hides those sections when the corresponding devices aren't found15:15
LaneyI don't want to fix the bug of too many things showing up15:15
Laney:p15:15
seb128lol15:15
LaneyI'll fix the one of not enough things though15:15
* larsu can't unplug his touchpad to find out15:15
Laneyseems XI2 can give this information15:15
seb128larsu, you sure can15:15
* seb128 hands larsu some screwdrivers and soldering iron15:16
larsulol15:16
seb128:-)15:17
larsuI'm glad I have the touchpad settings, otherwise I couldn't disable it15:17
seb128sa:e15:17
seb128same15:17
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cyphermoxkenvandine: around? could you tell me what the merge was for the APN editor stuff?16:50
seb128Laney, did you ack https://code.launchpad.net/~darkxst/unity-settings-daemon/lp1377847/+merge/23750716:59
seb128e.g do you want to do the landing, or also the review/testing?16:59
LaneyI want to do the unapproved review17:00
Laneyhave been running it today though, seems to work fine and I didn't spot anything in the code, not that I am confident I would though17:01
Laneysecond set of eyes would be welcomed17:01
seb128k17:01
seb128it's in silo 26 building17:01
seb128I'm going to have a look over the code changes as well17:01
kenvandinecyphermox, https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-api-team/ubuntu-system-settings/apneditor/+merge/23713817:02
Laneybasically I'm worried it will be self approving if I ack the mp17:02
seb128k17:02
seb128I can do that and let the queue review to you17:02
Laneycheers17:02
Laneyhave you been running it?17:02
seb128not yet, waiting for the ppa build17:02
Laneykay17:03
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Laneycalling it a night for now, see you!17:15
seb128Laney, night!17:15
* willcooke EOD 18:33
willcookeg'night18:33
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ochosixnox: hey there, did you get a chance to look at the ubiquity wallpaper issue?20:49
psusiI've experienced a severe performance regression after updating that I think is due to changes in mesa... I'm trying to find the source and build the old rev and install it to verify, and then begin bisecting, but I can't find the mesa sources; lp:ubuntu/mesa is quite out of date, and Vcs-Git: points to the debian git repo.. where are the ubuntu mesa sources?22:02
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darkxstpsusi, ubuntu branches are on debian git I believe22:13
psusidarkxst, it does appear to have an ubuntu branch, however, it does not seem to have any of the -xubuntux tags22:20
psusiit also seems to not have had its pristine-tar branch tended in some time so git-buildpackage fails because it can't recreate the pristine-tar22:20
darkxstoh, that will make bisecting problematic22:22

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