=== Guest69465 is now known as mfisch === mfisch is now known as Guest67039 [02:16] where are the mesa sources? the bzr repo on lp seems to be out of date and the Vcs-Git: header points to the debian repo... where are the ubuntu sources? [04:20] Good morning [04:31] pitti: hey! are you ok/ack with tvoss' enabling of translations in location-service + trust-store.. directly in usr/share/locale/? two diff:s: https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-001-2-publish/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/packaging_changes_location-service_2.1+14.10.20141007.1-0ubuntu1.diff [04:31] and https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-001-2-publish/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/packaging_changes_trust-store_1.1.0+14.10.20141007.4-0ubuntu1.diff [04:32] Mirv: tvoss is speaking to me right now indeed.. looking [04:32] ah, ok. [04:33] despite the -bin.install adding usr/share/locale/* to it, I don't actually see them inside the deb:s [04:33] Mirv: yeah, they get stripped during build, that's fine [04:33] right, sounds more correct then [05:00] psusi: err if noone replied earlier, all x related packages are on git.debian.org, http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-xorg/lib/mesa.git/log/?h=ubuntu [06:45] Morning willcooke. [06:54] hey TheMuso! [06:54] Sorry for the confusion :) [06:54] I'm just getting ready for the school run, I'll be back in about 30 mins [06:54] if you're still around, great - if not, no worries [06:57] Ok, I have nothing urgent to talk about, so I'll hang around if you want to talk about anything. [06:57] willcooke: ^ [07:13] pitti, Laney my fix for bug 1377847 is ready for review [07:13] bug 1377847 in gnome-desktop3 (Ubuntu Utopic) "unity screen saver no longer blanks nor locks automatically" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1377847 [07:13] I suppose adding a new dbus api is somewhat of a new feature, but the underlying idlemonitor code is not really changed much === tiheum is now known as tiheum_ [08:03] hello [08:04] * Laney is cold [08:06] darkxst: ta, will look [08:07] good morning Laney [08:08] Laney, welcome to autumn [08:08] I don't feel welcome >:( [08:09] hey Laney [08:09] * willcooke is cold as well [08:09] and it's soooo dark all of a sudden [08:10] morning seb128 - thanks for covering the meeting yesterday. I hope they didn't troll you too much :) [08:10] (except I'm 99% sure they did) [08:12] willcooke, hey, it was alright, no worry ;-) [08:12] morning willcooke [08:12] morning! [08:12] seb128 is strong, he can take it [08:12] (also give it) [08:12] hey larsu [08:13] (me, trolling, never!) [08:17] * Laney is off friday this week so trolling thursday it is [08:18] off friday? slacker! [08:18] but alright, I can do trolling on thursday ;-) [08:19] http://www.beerfestival.nottinghamcamra.org/Assets_pdf/BF2014_Beer_Prog_Notes.pdf [08:20] doh [08:53] how do you want to pick with so much choice? [08:53] (seems like I forgot to hit enter before) [08:54] too busy reading the entire list ;-) [08:54] usually just go to an area and decide what looks best there [08:55] you have 1/3 pints so it's possible to try a few [08:56] it's also possible to get drunk, right? ;-) [08:56] that is one strategy [08:56] I'll have a couple of meals to reduce that risk :p [08:56] :-) [08:58] Laney, replied [08:58] no one should be using those symbols, not even sure they are really meant to be 100% public [08:59] did you see the inline comment? [08:59] I checked u-c-c which is the only reverse dependency and it doesn't use them [08:59] so it's okay [09:02] OT: 3d printer, 500 quid O_o http://www.ebuyer.com/660756-xyzprinting-da-vinci-1-0-3d-printer-3dp01xeu00e?utm_source=2014-10-08&utm_medium=campaign_email&utm_campaign=B2C_%28Wednesday%29_All_FS [09:04] Congratulations FJKong on becoming an Ubuntu member :) [09:04] thanks to folk who sponsored him as well [09:05] Laney, no I didnt see the inline comment (and still can't) [09:05] change the dropdown [09:05] it clears them when you push a new revision [09:05] FJKong, congrats [09:05] or look at the email it sent you (scroll down, it sends too much context) [09:05] well done FJKong [09:05] seb128: Laney willcooke thanks for your supporting [09:06] it goes very well [09:06] you should get the freenode cloak now [09:06] be one of the cool kids [09:06] :) [09:07] Laney: I need to learn about how to use that [09:07] mine still says "pdpc.active" but I don't think pdpc even exists any more ... [09:07] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Cloaks [09:09] Laney: reading [09:09] I think it comes down to 'ask someone on the IRC council' [09:13] Laney, heh, they were hard to find, I don't think the log messages are too harmful? name_lost could indeed be useful if someone steals the interface [09:14] g_debug at best I think [09:15] Laney, sure ok [09:15] righto [09:15] seb128: you want to take care of uploading? ;-) [09:15] Laney, uploading what? [09:15] u-s-d [09:16] sure can do [09:16] what change? [09:16] https://code.launchpad.net/~darkxst/unity-settings-daemon/lp1377847/+merge/237507 [09:16] waiting for one more commit [09:17] ok [09:17] ^pushed [09:17] hmm [09:17] how does *-c-c decide if you have a physical mouse? [09:17] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/1303086 [09:17] Ubuntu bug 1303086 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "Pointer Speed Missing in Unity Settings for Mouse & Trackpad" [High,Confirmed] [09:19] Laney, I suspect it uses XI2 directly [09:19] well atleast current versions should, not sure how it was in 3.6 [09:20] idle monitor - monitors all devices, it doesnt care if they are physical or virtual [09:21] unrelated to that [09:21] it's about 'pointer speed' and similar not showing up if the control centre decides you don't have a mouse [09:22] Laney, larsu: does http://paste.ubuntu.com/8519824/ looks fine to you? [09:22] no, wait, I should have pushed [09:22] that package is uploaded [09:23] done [09:23] as for the actual change, I don't know what it's doing [09:24] seb128: aren't there some ui files missing in the translations patch? [09:24] seb128: btw, I've just build jhbuild to test 3.14 and I'll have a look at why the ui.h files aren't included anymore [09:24] Laney, what it says in the changelog [09:25] also I don't see any rules change [09:25] larsu, thanks [09:25] ooh, popovers are broken [09:26] Laney, copy/paste error, http://paste.ubuntu.com/8519833/ [09:26] larsu, what .ui are missing? [09:26] ah, cool [09:26] why do you delete more .ui.h than you add? [09:26] seb128: none now that you pasted the while patch [09:26] *whole [09:26] ah [09:27] same problem [09:27] sorry guys ;-) [09:27] these are generated files not included in git or something? [09:27] correct [09:27] well, the other way around [09:27] they are in git, not disted [09:27] the .ui files? [09:27] larsu, is looking at it/getting it fixed upstream [09:27] the .ui.h [09:28] are in git but not disted [09:28] Laney, https://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/tree/gtk/resources/ui [09:28] they dist only the .ui [09:28] so intltool-update works on a git checkout, but not in the tarball [09:28] but the ones you're adding are there [09:28] so your patch could be good for them, or? [09:29] I guess it could, if they wanted to use intltool [09:29] Laney, see device_type_is_present() it seems to directly ask X for input devices [09:29] but larsu mentioned they are trying to move away from that [09:29] not sure how they build their .pot === Sweetsha1k is now known as Sweetshark [09:32] Laney, so, any objection to commiting that, at least for utopic? I've a plan-B if you prefer, which is to update the pot locally and include an "update pot" patch for that version [09:32] I uploaded the updated pot to launchpad meanwhile [09:32] seb128: seems okay, prefer an upstream solution as always [09:32] make sure to re pull [09:32] but it's going to import to tarball one every time we do an upload and revert the manual update [09:33] k [09:33] larsu is working on an upstream solution [09:33] ya === tiheum is now known as tiheum_ === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch === Estilanda_ is now known as Estilanda === tiheum is now known as tiheum_ === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow === beidl_ is now known as beidl === tiheum is now known as tiheum_ === gatox is now known as gatox_lunch [14:52] seb128, question for you... I downloaded the latest desktop next ISO to test and I live booted it [14:52] I get to the login screen, and now I'm stuck [14:52] it wont accept any password [14:52] that I type [14:53] if I got to vt1 and reset the password from the default of ubuntu then I can log in [14:55] is this expected? [14:56] wait, that's not right [14:56] the default password is blank [14:56] so when I change it I can log in [14:58] why doesn't it auto login? [14:59] Laney: unity-greeter pops up and it doesn't accept blank passwords. [14:59] oh, hai ChrisTownsend :) [14:59] Laney: And I don't think unity-greeter has auto login. I have an open bug for a related issue. [14:59] willcooke: Hi:) [15:00] what does the desktop iso do? [15:01] so yeah, just to confirm what I'm actually seeing: I boot from the ISO, get to the U8 greeter and I can't login because the Greeter doesnt accept a blank password. Drop to vt1 reset the password, back to vt7 and I can log in [15:01] Laney, the desktop iso logs straight in to u7 session [15:01] I brought up the issue willcooke is describing a few months back. [15:02] Of course, you don't see this is you choose to install, because you have to set a password [15:02] A fix could be that the desktop-next image has a default password of not blank [15:02] ? [15:03] for live, I mean [15:03] The live images should take you to a desktop [15:03] ok, so no greeter at all? [15:04] just straigt in [15:04] straight [15:04] willcooke, ChrisTownsend, Laney, right, that's the issue ChrisTownsend reported some weeks ago, I didn't investigate on what changed, that used to work :/ [15:04] Laney: Hasn't for me for months. It takes me to the Unity8 greeter, ie, lockscreen, which doesn't accept blank passwords. Only workaround is what willcooke describes. [15:04] ChrisTownsend: I'm not denying there's a bug? [15:04] oh [15:04] it's not lightdm, it's unity8's lock. [15:05] Laney: Right. [15:05] We made the greeter auto login work [15:05] Now some unity 8 thing is breaking it [15:05] that's where the fix goes [15:05] Is it possible something got reverted? [15:05] no, it's not [15:05] Yeah, we have similar issue when logging into the Unity8 session from LightDM. Greeter is still shown which is quite redundant. [15:05] it's that unity8's lock screen used to support only swipe [15:06] they added proper pam auth suppor [15:06] support [15:06] so it's a bug in unity8 [15:06] guess something for mterry [15:06] shall I open a bug against U8? [15:06] ChrisTownsend did iirc? [15:07] heyo [15:07] seb128, oh yeah, the session starts locked [15:07] seb128: I opened a similar bug which *I think* causes the same issue. Let me try to dig that up. [15:07] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1360307 [15:07] seb128, I'd like to fix that, but it's desktop only and you know the priority of that these days -- it will be lovingly fixed when I finally add an optional split out the greete [15:07] Ubuntu bug 1360307 in unity8 (Ubuntu) "Logging in to the desktop session brings up the lock screen" [Medium,Triaged] [15:08] willcooke, ^ there you go, rtm first [15:08] ack, thanks all [15:08] mterry, right [15:09] In the meantime I'll document a work around on Ask Ubuntu [15:09] if there isn't already [15:09] seb128: can you confirm bug #1303086? [15:09] mterry, can we put the unity8 greeter in swipe mode on the desktop-next iso with some config? [15:09] bug 1303086 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "Pointer Speed Missing in Unity Settings for Mouse & Trackpad" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1303086 [15:09] Laney, I can't from the title, let me read the comments [15:09] the slider is there for me [15:10] k [15:10] seb128, not currently [15:10] larsu: what about you? [15:10] mterry, hum, k [15:11] Laney, do you get the issue? [15:11] yeah [15:11] I came up with a fix [15:11] want someone to verify it [15:11] it's quite hard to answer "do I have a mouse?" in x [15:11] in what conditions does it happen? === Estilanda_ is now known as Estilanda [15:11] I have a wireless kb/mouse dongle thing [15:12] that's not picked up right [15:12] well, I get the mouse slider even without mouse on my laptop [15:12] Laney: what about me? [15:12] like with the laptop undocked and no mouse connected [15:13] larsu: makes sense in context: can you reproduce the bug I linked? [15:13] seb128, wait... I think you could... You'd have to have a dummy account that has no password (or is in nopasswdlogin group) -- then you can set ~/.unity8-greeter-demo with the users=dummyuser setting [15:13] seb128, that's a bit of work though [15:13] seb128: you mean you see Mouse and Pointer speed with no physical mouse? [15:13] Laney, wait, is that with g-c-c or u-c-c? [15:13] u [15:14] k [15:14] Laney: no, I have "Mouse" and "Touchpad" sections in addition to the "General" one [15:14] Laney, correct [15:14] idem to larsu [15:14] Laney: I guess there are no (detected) devices on that person's machine? [15:14] and that's with only the laptop and its trackpad [15:15] oh well [15:15] I think the panel hides those sections when the corresponding devices aren't found [15:15] I don't want to fix the bug of too many things showing up [15:15] :p [15:15] lol [15:15] I'll fix the one of not enough things though [15:15] * larsu can't unplug his touchpad to find out [15:15] seems XI2 can give this information [15:15] larsu, you sure can [15:16] * seb128 hands larsu some screwdrivers and soldering iron [15:16] lol [15:17] :-) [15:17] I'm glad I have the touchpad settings, otherwise I couldn't disable it [15:17] sa:e [15:17] same === gatox_lunch is now known as gatox === m_conley_away is now known as m_conley [16:50] kenvandine: around? could you tell me what the merge was for the APN editor stuff? [16:59] Laney, did you ack https://code.launchpad.net/~darkxst/unity-settings-daemon/lp1377847/+merge/237507 [16:59] e.g do you want to do the landing, or also the review/testing? [17:00] I want to do the unapproved review [17:01] have been running it today though, seems to work fine and I didn't spot anything in the code, not that I am confident I would though [17:01] second set of eyes would be welcomed [17:01] k [17:01] it's in silo 26 building [17:01] I'm going to have a look over the code changes as well [17:02] cyphermox, https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-api-team/ubuntu-system-settings/apneditor/+merge/237138 [17:02] basically I'm worried it will be self approving if I ack the mp [17:02] k [17:02] I can do that and let the queue review to you [17:02] cheers [17:02] have you been running it? [17:02] not yet, waiting for the ppa build [17:03] kay === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD === Guest67039 is now known as mfisch === mfisch is now known as Guest72593 [17:15] calling it a night for now, see you! [17:15] Laney, night! [18:33] * willcooke EOD [18:33] g'night === Guest72593 is now known as mfisch === mfisch is now known as Guest6813 === Guest6813 is now known as mfisch [20:49] xnox: hey there, did you get a chance to look at the ubiquity wallpaper issue? [22:02] I've experienced a severe performance regression after updating that I think is due to changes in mesa... I'm trying to find the source and build the old rev and install it to verify, and then begin bisecting, but I can't find the mesa sources; lp:ubuntu/mesa is quite out of date, and Vcs-Git: points to the debian git repo.. where are the ubuntu mesa sources? === m_conley is now known as m_conley_away [22:13] psusi, ubuntu branches are on debian git I believe [22:20] darkxst, it does appear to have an ubuntu branch, however, it does not seem to have any of the -xubuntux tags [22:20] it also seems to not have had its pristine-tar branch tended in some time so git-buildpackage fails because it can't recreate the pristine-tar [22:22] oh, that will make bisecting problematic