[02:16] <psusi> where are the mesa sources?  the bzr repo on lp seems to be out of date and the Vcs-Git: header points to the debian repo... where are the ubuntu sources?
[04:20] <pitti> Good morning
[04:31] <Mirv> pitti: hey! are you ok/ack with tvoss' enabling of translations in location-service + trust-store.. directly in usr/share/locale/? two diff:s: https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-001-2-publish/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/packaging_changes_location-service_2.1+14.10.20141007.1-0ubuntu1.diff
[04:31] <Mirv> and https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-001-2-publish/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/packaging_changes_trust-store_1.1.0+14.10.20141007.4-0ubuntu1.diff
[04:32] <pitti> Mirv: tvoss is speaking to me right now indeed.. looking
[04:32] <Mirv> ah, ok.
[04:33] <Mirv> despite the -bin.install adding usr/share/locale/* to it, I don't actually see them inside the deb:s
[04:33] <pitti> Mirv: yeah, they get stripped during build, that's fine
[04:33] <Mirv> right, sounds more correct then
[05:00] <Sarvatt> psusi: err if noone replied earlier, all x related packages are on git.debian.org, http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-xorg/lib/mesa.git/log/?h=ubuntu
[06:45] <TheMuso> Morning willcooke.
[06:54] <willcooke> hey TheMuso!
[06:54] <willcooke> Sorry for the confusion :)
[06:54] <willcooke> I'm just getting ready for the school run, I'll be back in about 30 mins
[06:54] <willcooke> if you're still around, great - if not, no worries
[06:57] <TheMuso> Ok, I have nothing urgent to talk about, so I'll hang around if you want to talk about anything.
[06:57] <TheMuso> willcooke: ^
[07:13] <darkxst> pitti, Laney my fix for bug 1377847 is ready for review
[07:13] <darkxst> I suppose adding a new dbus api is somewhat of a new feature, but the underlying idlemonitor code is not really changed much
[08:03] <Laney> hello
[08:04]  * Laney is cold
[08:06] <Laney> darkxst: ta, will look
[08:07] <seb128> good morning Laney
[08:08] <seb128> Laney, welcome to autumn
[08:08] <Laney> I don't feel welcome >:(
[08:09] <willcooke> hey Laney
[08:09]  * willcooke is cold as well
[08:09] <willcooke> and it's soooo dark all of a sudden
[08:10] <willcooke> morning seb128 - thanks for covering the meeting yesterday.  I hope they didn't troll you too much :)
[08:10] <willcooke> (except I'm 99% sure they did)
[08:12] <seb128> willcooke, hey, it was alright, no worry ;-)
[08:12] <Laney> morning willcooke
[08:12] <larsu> morning!
[08:12] <Laney> seb128 is strong, he can take it
[08:12] <Laney> (also give it)
[08:12] <Laney> hey larsu
[08:13] <seb128> (me, trolling, never!)
[08:17]  * Laney is off friday this week so trolling thursday it is
[08:18] <seb128> off friday? slacker!
[08:18] <seb128> but alright, I can do trolling on thursday ;-)
[08:19] <Laney> http://www.beerfestival.nottinghamcamra.org/Assets_pdf/BF2014_Beer_Prog_Notes.pdf
[08:20] <seb128> doh
[08:53] <seb128> how do you want to pick with so much choice?
[08:53] <seb128> (seems like I forgot to hit enter before)
[08:54] <Laney> too busy reading the entire list ;-)
[08:54] <Laney> usually just go to an area and decide what looks best there
[08:55] <Laney> you have 1/3 pints so it's possible to try a few
[08:56] <seb128> it's also possible to get drunk, right? ;-)
[08:56] <Laney> that is one strategy
[08:56] <Laney> I'll have a couple of meals to reduce that risk :p
[08:56] <seb128> :-)
[08:58] <darkxst> Laney, replied
[08:58] <darkxst> no one should be using those symbols, not even sure they are really meant to be 100% public
[08:59] <Laney> did you see the inline comment?
[08:59] <Laney> I checked u-c-c which is the only reverse dependency and it doesn't use them
[08:59] <Laney> so it's okay
[09:02] <willcooke> OT: 3d printer, 500 quid O_o  http://www.ebuyer.com/660756-xyzprinting-da-vinci-1-0-3d-printer-3dp01xeu00e?utm_source=2014-10-08&utm_medium=campaign_email&utm_campaign=B2C_%28Wednesday%29_All_FS
[09:04] <willcooke> Congratulations FJKong on becoming an Ubuntu member :)
[09:04] <willcooke> thanks to folk who sponsored him as well
[09:05] <darkxst> Laney, no I didnt see the inline comment (and still can't)
[09:05] <Laney> change the dropdown
[09:05] <Laney> it clears them when you push a new revision
[09:05] <seb128> FJKong, congrats
[09:05] <Laney> or look at the email it sent you (scroll down, it sends too much context)
[09:05] <Laney> well done FJKong
[09:05] <FJKong> seb128: Laney willcooke thanks for your supporting
[09:06] <FJKong> it goes very well
[09:06] <Laney> you should get the freenode cloak now
[09:06] <Laney> be one of the cool kids
[09:06] <willcooke> :)
[09:07] <FJKong> Laney: I need to learn about how to use that
[09:07] <Laney> mine still says "pdpc.active" but I don't think pdpc even exists any more ...
[09:07] <Laney> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Cloaks
[09:09] <FJKong> Laney: reading
[09:09] <Laney> I think it comes down to 'ask someone on the IRC council'
[09:13] <darkxst> Laney, heh, they were hard to find, I don't think the log messages are too harmful? name_lost could indeed be useful if someone steals the interface
[09:14] <Laney> g_debug at best I think
[09:15] <darkxst> Laney, sure ok
[09:15] <Laney> righto
[09:15] <Laney> seb128: you want to take care of uploading? ;-)
[09:15] <seb128> Laney, uploading what?
[09:15] <Laney> u-s-d
[09:16] <seb128> sure can do
[09:16] <seb128> what change?
[09:16] <Laney> https://code.launchpad.net/~darkxst/unity-settings-daemon/lp1377847/+merge/237507
[09:16] <Laney> waiting for one more commit
[09:17] <seb128> ok
[09:17] <darkxst> ^pushed
[09:17] <Laney> hmm
[09:17] <Laney> how does *-c-c decide if you have a physical mouse?
[09:17] <Laney> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/1303086
[09:19] <darkxst> Laney, I suspect it uses XI2 directly
[09:19] <darkxst> well atleast current versions should, not sure how it was in 3.6
[09:20] <darkxst> idle monitor - monitors all devices, it doesnt care if they are physical or virtual
[09:21] <Laney> unrelated to that
[09:21] <Laney> it's about 'pointer speed' and similar not showing up if the control centre decides you don't have a mouse
[09:22] <seb128> Laney, larsu: does http://paste.ubuntu.com/8519824/ looks fine to you?
[09:22] <Laney> no, wait, I should have pushed
[09:22] <Laney> that package is uploaded
[09:23] <Laney> done
[09:23] <Laney> as for the actual change, I don't know what it's doing
[09:24] <larsu> seb128: aren't there some ui files missing in the translations patch?
[09:24] <larsu> seb128: btw, I've just build jhbuild to test 3.14 and I'll have a look at why the ui.h files aren't included anymore
[09:24] <seb128> Laney, what it says in the changelog
[09:25] <Laney> also I don't see any rules change
[09:25] <seb128> larsu, thanks
[09:25] <larsu> ooh, popovers are broken
[09:26] <seb128> Laney, copy/paste error, http://paste.ubuntu.com/8519833/
[09:26] <seb128> larsu, what .ui are missing?
[09:26] <larsu> ah, cool
[09:26] <Laney> why do you delete more .ui.h than you add?
[09:26] <larsu> seb128: none now that you pasted the while patch
[09:26] <larsu> *whole
[09:26] <Laney> ah
[09:27] <Laney> same problem
[09:27] <seb128> sorry guys ;-)
[09:27] <Laney> these are generated files not included in git or something?
[09:27] <seb128> correct
[09:27] <seb128> well, the other way around
[09:27] <seb128> they are in git, not disted
[09:27] <Laney> the .ui files?
[09:27] <seb128> larsu, is looking at it/getting it fixed upstream
[09:27] <seb128> the .ui.h
[09:28] <seb128> are in git but not disted
[09:28] <seb128> Laney, https://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/tree/gtk/resources/ui
[09:28] <seb128> they dist only the .ui
[09:28] <seb128> so intltool-update works on a git checkout, but not in the tarball
[09:28] <Laney> but the ones you're adding are there
[09:28] <Laney> so your patch could be good for them, or?
[09:29] <seb128> I guess it could, if they wanted to use intltool
[09:29] <darkxst> Laney, see device_type_is_present() it seems to directly ask X for input devices
[09:29] <seb128> but larsu mentioned they are trying to move away from that
[09:29] <seb128> not sure how they build their .pot
[09:32] <seb128> Laney, so, any objection to commiting that, at least for utopic? I've a plan-B if you prefer, which is to update the pot locally and include an "update pot" patch for that version
[09:32] <seb128> I uploaded the updated pot to launchpad meanwhile
[09:32] <Laney> seb128: seems okay, prefer an upstream solution as always
[09:32] <Laney> make sure to re pull
[09:32] <seb128> but it's going to import to tarball one every time we do an upload and revert the manual update
[09:33] <seb128> k
[09:33] <seb128> larsu is working on an upstream solution
[09:33] <Laney> ya
[14:52] <willcooke> seb128, question for you... I downloaded the latest desktop next ISO to test and I live booted it
[14:52] <willcooke> I get to the login screen, and now I'm stuck
[14:52] <willcooke> it wont accept any password
[14:52] <willcooke> that I type
[14:53] <willcooke> if I got to vt1 and reset the password from the default of ubuntu then I can log in
[14:55] <willcooke> is this expected?
[14:56] <willcooke> wait, that's not right
[14:56] <willcooke> the default password is blank
[14:56] <willcooke> so when I change it I can log in
[14:58] <Laney> why doesn't it auto login?
[14:59] <ChrisTownsend> Laney: unity-greeter pops up and it doesn't accept blank passwords.
[14:59] <willcooke> oh, hai ChrisTownsend  :)
[14:59] <ChrisTownsend> Laney: And I don't think unity-greeter has auto login.  I have an open bug for a related issue.
[14:59] <ChrisTownsend> willcooke: Hi:)
[15:00] <Laney> what does the desktop iso do?
[15:01] <willcooke> so yeah, just to confirm what I'm actually seeing:  I boot from the ISO, get to the U8 greeter and I can't login because the Greeter doesnt accept a blank password.  Drop to vt1 reset the password, back to vt7 and I can log in
[15:01] <willcooke> Laney, the desktop iso logs straight in to u7 session
[15:01] <ChrisTownsend> I brought up the issue willcooke is describing a few months back.
[15:02] <willcooke> Of course, you don't see this is you choose to install, because you have to set a password
[15:02] <willcooke> A fix could be that the desktop-next image has a default password of not blank
[15:02] <willcooke> ?
[15:03] <willcooke> for live, I mean
[15:03] <Laney> The live images should take you to a desktop
[15:03] <willcooke> ok, so no greeter at all?
[15:04] <willcooke> just straigt in
[15:04] <willcooke> straight
[15:04] <seb128> willcooke, ChrisTownsend, Laney, right, that's the issue ChrisTownsend reported some weeks ago, I didn't investigate on what changed, that used to work :/
[15:04] <ChrisTownsend> Laney: Hasn't for me for months.  It takes me to the Unity8 greeter, ie, lockscreen, which doesn't accept blank passwords.  Only workaround is what willcooke describes.
[15:04] <Laney> ChrisTownsend: I'm not denying there's a bug?
[15:04] <seb128> oh
[15:04] <seb128> it's not lightdm, it's unity8's lock.
[15:05] <ChrisTownsend> Laney: Right.
[15:05] <Laney> We made the greeter auto login work
[15:05] <Laney> Now some unity 8 thing is breaking it
[15:05] <Laney> that's where the fix goes
[15:05] <willcooke> Is it possible something got reverted?
[15:05] <seb128> no, it's not
[15:05] <ChrisTownsend> Yeah, we have similar issue when logging into the Unity8 session from LightDM.  Greeter is still shown which is quite redundant.
[15:05] <seb128> it's that unity8's lock screen used to support only swipe
[15:06] <seb128> they added proper pam auth suppor
[15:06] <seb128> support
[15:06] <seb128> so it's a bug in unity8
[15:06] <seb128> guess something for mterry
[15:06] <willcooke> shall I open a bug against U8?
[15:06] <seb128> ChrisTownsend did iirc?
[15:07] <mterry> heyo
[15:07] <mterry> seb128, oh yeah, the session starts locked
[15:07] <ChrisTownsend> seb128: I opened a similar bug which *I think* causes the same issue.  Let me try to dig that up.
[15:07] <ChrisTownsend> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1360307
[15:07] <mterry> seb128, I'd like to fix that, but it's desktop only and you know the priority of that these days -- it will be lovingly fixed when I finally add an optional split out the greete
[15:08] <seb128> willcooke, ^ there you go, rtm first
[15:08] <willcooke> ack, thanks all
[15:08] <seb128> mterry, right
[15:09] <willcooke> In the meantime I'll document a work around on Ask Ubuntu
[15:09] <willcooke> if there isn't already
[15:09] <Laney> seb128: can you confirm bug #1303086?
[15:09] <seb128> mterry, can we put the unity8 greeter in swipe mode on the desktop-next iso with some config?
[15:09] <seb128> Laney, I can't from the title, let me read the comments
[15:09] <seb128> the slider is there for me
[15:10] <Laney> k
[15:10] <mterry> seb128, not currently
[15:10] <Laney> larsu: what about you?
[15:10] <seb128> mterry, hum, k
[15:11] <seb128> Laney, do you get the issue?
[15:11] <Laney> yeah
[15:11] <Laney> I came up with a fix
[15:11] <Laney> want someone to verify it
[15:11] <Laney> it's quite hard to answer "do I have a mouse?" in x
[15:11] <seb128> in what conditions does it happen?
[15:11] <Laney> I have a wireless kb/mouse dongle thing
[15:12] <Laney> that's not picked up right
[15:12] <seb128> well, I get the mouse slider even without mouse on my laptop
[15:12] <larsu> Laney: what about me?
[15:12] <seb128> like with the laptop undocked and no mouse connected
[15:13] <Laney> larsu: makes sense in context: can you reproduce the bug I linked?
[15:13] <mterry> seb128, wait... I think you could...  You'd have to have a dummy account that has no password (or is in nopasswdlogin group) -- then you can set ~/.unity8-greeter-demo with the users=dummyuser setting
[15:13] <mterry> seb128, that's a bit of work though
[15:13] <Laney> seb128: you mean you see Mouse and Pointer speed with no physical mouse?
[15:13] <seb128> Laney, wait, is that with g-c-c or u-c-c?
[15:13] <Laney> u
[15:14] <seb128> k
[15:14] <larsu> Laney: no, I have "Mouse" and "Touchpad" sections in addition to the "General" one
[15:14] <seb128> Laney, correct
[15:14] <seb128> idem to larsu
[15:14] <larsu> Laney: I guess there are no (detected) devices on that person's machine?
[15:14] <seb128> and that's with only the laptop and its trackpad
[15:15] <Laney> oh well
[15:15] <larsu> I think the panel hides those sections when the corresponding devices aren't found
[15:15] <Laney> I don't want to fix the bug of too many things showing up
[15:15] <Laney> :p
[15:15] <seb128> lol
[15:15] <Laney> I'll fix the one of not enough things though
[15:15]  * larsu can't unplug his touchpad to find out
[15:15] <Laney> seems XI2 can give this information
[15:15] <seb128> larsu, you sure can
[15:16]  * seb128 hands larsu some screwdrivers and soldering iron
[15:16] <larsu> lol
[15:17] <seb128> :-)
[15:17] <larsu> I'm glad I have the touchpad settings, otherwise I couldn't disable it
[15:17] <seb128> sa:e
[15:17] <seb128> same
[16:50] <cyphermox> kenvandine: around? could you tell me what the merge was for the APN editor stuff?
[16:59] <seb128> Laney, did you ack https://code.launchpad.net/~darkxst/unity-settings-daemon/lp1377847/+merge/237507
[16:59] <seb128> e.g do you want to do the landing, or also the review/testing?
[17:00] <Laney> I want to do the unapproved review
[17:01] <Laney> have been running it today though, seems to work fine and I didn't spot anything in the code, not that I am confident I would though
[17:01] <Laney> second set of eyes would be welcomed
[17:01] <seb128> k
[17:01] <seb128> it's in silo 26 building
[17:01] <seb128> I'm going to have a look over the code changes as well
[17:02] <kenvandine> cyphermox, https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-api-team/ubuntu-system-settings/apneditor/+merge/237138
[17:02] <Laney> basically I'm worried it will be self approving if I ack the mp
[17:02] <seb128> k
[17:02] <seb128> I can do that and let the queue review to you
[17:02] <Laney> cheers
[17:02] <Laney> have you been running it?
[17:02] <seb128> not yet, waiting for the ppa build
[17:03] <Laney> kay
[17:15] <Laney> calling it a night for now, see you!
[17:15] <seb128> Laney, night!
[18:33]  * willcooke EOD 
[18:33] <willcooke> g'night
[20:49] <ochosi> xnox: hey there, did you get a chance to look at the ubiquity wallpaper issue?
[22:02] <psusi> I've experienced a severe performance regression after updating that I think is due to changes in mesa... I'm trying to find the source and build the old rev and install it to verify, and then begin bisecting, but I can't find the mesa sources; lp:ubuntu/mesa is quite out of date, and Vcs-Git: points to the debian git repo.. where are the ubuntu mesa sources?
[22:13] <darkxst> psusi, ubuntu branches are on debian git I believe
[22:20] <psusi> darkxst, it does appear to have an ubuntu branch, however, it does not seem to have any of the -xubuntux tags
[22:20] <psusi> it also seems to not have had its pristine-tar branch tended in some time so git-buildpackage fails because it can't recreate the pristine-tar
[22:22] <darkxst> oh, that will make bisecting problematic