[01:32] <ali1234> does anyone know if the xorg developer conference has a live stream?
[02:52] <OERIAS> Tea Time
[06:50] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[06:51] <Myrtti> moin brobostigon
[06:51] <brobostigon> guten morgen Myrtti
[08:23] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:24] <davmor2> Todays tune is a mix of I got the power, park life and bitter sweet symphony
[08:24] <foobarry> hmm
[08:25] <foobarry> i got the park life, thats life
[08:30] <awilkins> Where does Evolution keep it's config?
[08:30] <foobarry> .local/share/evolution?
[08:32] <awilkins> Hummph
[08:32] <awilkins> Can't seem to delete it
[08:32] <awilkins> I guess it pulls accounts from the accounts things
[08:33] <foobarry> kill the evolution data server?
[08:33] <foobarry> lsof ?
[08:33] <awilkins> Ah
[08:34] <awilkins> Ok, that's annoying, added a new account and it doesn't show up until you kill the evolution processes
[08:34] <foobarry> i don't think evolution has evolved in about 10yrs
[08:35] <zmoylan-pi> ironic really :-)
[08:35] <awilkins> It won't log in anyway
[08:36]  * awilkins logs in with Outlook to check if he's locked his account out with Basic when he should have used NTLM
[08:36] <awilkins> Not locked out
[08:37] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy World Octopus Day! :-D
[08:39] <zmoylan-pi> donate a squid today to help
[08:39] <Myrtti> there is some files in .config
[08:39] <diddledan_> I had sick squid once
[08:39] <diddledan_> I spent it on sweets
[08:48] <awilkins> Well, the EWS plugin for Evolution doesn't work for me, and I'm leaving this Exchange-based job in 3 weeks anyway
[08:49] <awilkins> Thus ends my most recent flirtation with Evolution as a mail client
[08:49] <davmor2> JamesTait: does that mean we all have an excuse to see roger moore fly a plane from a horse butt again?
[08:50] <foobarry> as an adult i realised that roger moore is the most wooden actor ever
[08:50] <foobarry> as a child i thought he was cool
[08:51] <JamesTait> davmor2, what you do in your spare time is your business. ;)
[08:52] <zmoylan-pi> last time i was condemned to use outlook i just made it forward all email to gmail and got gmail to spoof outgoing email as from the outlook domain.  cut down on the driving me bonkers
[08:52] <zmoylan-pi> i used to quite like outlook express as it didn't get in the way
[08:56] <foobarry> lots of jobs going. who wants one?
[08:56] <foobarry> windows, linux, storage, vmware, hpc,
[09:03] <foobarry> https://www.hpc.qmul.ac.uk/twiki/bin/view/HPC/VacantPosts
[09:08] <Laney> who manages freenode cloaks? #freenode?
[09:08] <Laney> I noticed that I'm pdpc.active still ...
[09:10] <jussi> Laney: I think so
[09:10] <dutchie> Laney: yeah
[09:10] <Laney> oh hey jussi, congrats ;-)
[09:10] <jussi> hi Laney! thanks!
[09:10] <Laney> how's it going?
[09:11] <dutchie> strange coincidence, i just ditched my pdpc supporter cloak
[09:11] <jussi> tired, but good :)
[09:12] <Myrtti> last time I was condemned to use Exchange and had to use Evolution, when I was finally released from the pain, I fell on my knees of gratitude and got palm sized bruises on them
[09:18] <popey> mmmm palm
[09:20] <jussi> Laney: hows things over there?
[09:20] <Laney> tickin' over
[09:21] <Laney> been trying to buy a house for ages
[09:21] <Laney> beer festival on friday \o/
[09:22] <Laney> http://www.beerfestival.nottinghamcamra.org/Assets_pdf/BF2014_Beer_Prog_Notes.pdf
[09:23] <jussi> Laney: yay! beer!
[09:24] <Laney> actually it starts today, tempted to have a preview ...
[09:24] <jussi> Laney: :D
[09:24] <jussi> hullo popey :)
[09:28] <popey> yo
[09:49] <directhex> wife has ordered her new tablet. total cost: £1.75
[09:49] <directhex> tesco hudl's economics make no sense
[09:51] <zmoylan-pi> you spend a lot in tescos then
[09:52] <zmoylan-pi> so they already made their money and it was rsting in their accounts, unless the tax man came looking of course :-)
[09:54] <popey> directhex: is that the new x86 one?
[09:54] <directhex> yes
[09:54] <popey> iiiinteresting
[09:54] <NET||abuse> hmm, having trouble compiling gource, fairly standard setup, just keep getting configure: error: Could not link against -lGLU !
[09:55] <popey> be interested to try and get ubuntu on one of them
[09:56] <zmoylan-pi> what's the battery life like?
[09:57] <zmoylan-pi> you just hear x86 and you can imagine the battery gauge dropping as you look at it
[10:00] <popey> directhex: is that with lots of tesco points or something
[10:00] <directhex> popey: yes
[10:00] <popey> heh
[10:00] <popey> do you know who makes them for tesco?
[10:01] <zmoylan-pi> and now they can monitor your browsing habits and target you better :-)
[10:01] <directhex> popey: there's a 2:1 gearing on clubcard vouchers when buying hudl or accessories, so £129 cash or £64.50 clubcard vouchers
[10:01] <directhex> popey: i believe it's top secret.
[10:01] <directhex> (archos)
[10:01] <directhex> well, archos made hudl 1 anyway, afaik
[10:01] <directhex> ( http://www.archos.com/corporate/press/press_releases/archos_OEM_STRATEGY_en.pdf )
[10:04] <NET||abuse> what's the best tablet going right now? If I weren't to get a nexus 7, what would I get, or is it just stick with the nexus 7?
[10:04] <NET||abuse> not too fussed about size, 7,8 or 10" is all fine
[10:05] <zmoylan-pi> i'm quite happy with asus 7" i got from argos cheap
[10:05] <NET||abuse> I had the old nexus7 model, but it got crushed in my hand luggage on a flight :(
[10:05] <directhex> NET||abuse: best full stop, or best on a given budget, or best for a given use case?
[10:05] <NET||abuse> directhex, yeh, i had a feeling that would be the reality of it:(  what's the best full sstop?
[10:06] <NET||abuse> then i'll think about budget :)
[10:06] <NET||abuse> sticking with android too
[10:06] <directhex> everyone still loves ipads, right?
[10:06] <directhex> rumour is there's a new htc-made nexus tablet coming soon
[10:06] <NET||abuse> haha, burn the mac's!
[10:06] <Myrtti> I certainly hope it's coming soon
[10:07] <Myrtti> I've already told my niece to hold on to her money and instead of getting a non-Retina iPad Mini wait until that Nexus Tablet is out
[10:07] <directhex> i can't argue with hudl economics, even if it sucks
[10:08] <zmoylan-pi> my only must haves for a tablet are memory card slot, a case to put it in, 7+ hour battery life, gps
[10:25] <NET||abuse> hard to decide on what to do.
[10:25] <NET||abuse> the rumours say new nexus THIS month!
[10:25] <NET||abuse> nice
[10:25] <TwistedLucidity> Can the hudl be rooted/hacked?
[10:25] <TwistedLucidity> NET||abuse: But it's HTC...yuck.
[10:25] <NET||abuse> TwistedLucidity, the first htc desires were some of my favourite phones.. will have to wait and se
[10:26] <NET||abuse> the htc one didn't quite hit the spec points but ultimately people seemed possitive on it's build quality
[10:26] <TwistedLucidity> I have an HTC Desire X. Piece of garbage. Various broken account/DAV implementations and no updates. It's so bad, I will try to avoud any NTC products in the future.
[10:27] <NET||abuse> TwistedLucidity, well, hopefully the software side is purely driven by google.
[10:29] <awilkins> Indeed ; HTC hardware isn't bad
[10:29] <awilkins> The ex-wife has a Desire Z
[10:29] <awilkins> It's lasted her years
[10:30] <awilkins> Daughter has a Hudl 1
[10:36] <popey> haha, hudle works out at £39 for me
[10:37] <foobarry> in vouchers?
[10:37] <foobarry> hmm. was gonna spend my vouchers on rac recovery
[10:37] <popey> yeah, 129 -> 39
[10:38] <foobarry> hmm
[10:38] <foobarry> hudl 2?
[10:38] <popey> yes
[10:38] <awilkins> I'm happy with my 2012 N7
[10:39] <awilkins> I'd really only consider a Hudl if it was Cyanogen-able
[10:39] <foobarry> i will get a hudl when my hp touchpad dies
[10:39] <popey> ditto ubuntu-able
[10:39] <awilkins> And my N7 was broken or the battery life was so degraded that it made me want to cry
[10:39] <foobarry> my wifes samsung galaxy 10.1 is so slow
[10:39] <Myrtti> I should CM my 2012
[10:40] <Myrtti> although I suspect most of the problem is due to 2.4GHz wifi
[10:40] <foobarry> i wish it was easier to decrapify android
[10:40] <awilkins> If they don't release official Android L for my N4 and N7 I probably will CM them
[10:40] <Myrtti> awilkins: they won't
[10:40] <foobarry> android is nearer windows than linux
[10:40] <Myrtti> the cycle has been two years
[10:40] <awilkins> Myrtti, Yeah, I hate that... especially since I hear they are testing it on N4s inside Mountain View.
[10:41] <awilkins> Myrtti, But marketroids will be marketroids
[10:41] <zmoylan-pi> well you add java to anything and performace is going to drop :-)
[10:41] <awilkins> There's no technical reason not to - L is supposed to improve performance a lot, and they already have all the kernel drivers
[10:42] <awilkins> zmoylan-pi, The new execution environment is supposed to take care of that by doing AOT compiles instead of JIT
[10:42] <Myrtti> I wish the application developers would give ART some love too
[10:56] <foobarry> daughter took her first steps \o/
[10:57] <christel> \o/
[10:57] <christel> hooray
[10:57] <foobarry> about time
[10:57] <foobarry> she's 19 months
[10:57] <foobarry> suddenly she stood up and took 2 steps towards me. "WIFEY I THINK ITS TIME!"
[10:57] <christel> :)
[10:57] <foobarry> then she did a performance for the phone
[11:00]  * christel claps
[11:00] <christel> clever girl!
[11:05] <Seeker`> Does anyone have any recommendations for a colo service near oxford?
[12:44] <foobarry> got a building question
[12:44] <foobarry> does anyone know about submitting to building control?
[12:45] <foobarry> talks about full plans and building notice. nor sure which one i am supposed to do
[12:46] <brobostigon> any ideas, i am getitng a "500 ssl read timeout" in irssi, ?
[13:08]  * popey wonders if directhex is watching https://evolve.xamarin.com/live
[13:09]  * brobostigon is watching nick clegg talking.
[13:09] <popey> pfft
[13:09] <directhex> popey: i am now
[13:09] <popey> he has nothing remotely interesting to say
[13:10] <brobostigon> i said exactly that, about cameron last week.
[13:21] <Seeker`> you could say that about all politicians
[13:22] <brobostigon> varies, some do, some dont.
[13:23] <Seeker`> Boris is ok
[13:23] <Seeker`> on HIGNFY
[13:23]  * awilkins also listening to Clegg
[13:23] <awilkins> Boris is an evil sod that plays the amiable buffoon well
[13:24] <brobostigon> i saw a good nickname in private eye for my local mp, a few weeks ago, sir tony baldrick.
[13:38] <zmoylan-pi> isn't baldrick enough of a curse?
[13:39] <brobostigon> i can think of better. :)
[13:41] <brobostigon> remeber when baldrick stood as an mp, in a rotten borough? it was clearly inspired by that.
[13:42] <Seeker`> baldrick was PM
[13:42] <brobostigon> the current PM ?
[13:42] <Seeker`> didn't you see Blackadder Back and Forth?
[13:43] <brobostigon> yes, i did. i was pulling a joke.
[13:43] <brobostigon> comparingour current PM to baldrick.
[13:46] <zmoylan-pi> and baldrick as mp was black adder iii
[13:46] <zmoylan-pi> pfft, philistines :-)
[13:46] <brobostigon> :)
[13:47] <brobostigon> stood against william pitt.
[13:47] <zmoylan-pi> and still not as funny as yes minister for understanding politics :-D
[13:48] <brobostigon> :)
[13:48] <brobostigon> agreed.
[13:48] <brobostigon> and its sequal.
[14:02] <Seeker`> The Thick of It was better :P
[14:31] <awilkins> Does this work on Chromium or is it missing some vital evil DRM thing? http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/08/netflix-linux-html5-support-plugins
[14:31] <davmor2> Seeker`: wibble
[14:32] <davmor2> Seeker`: Yes minister was funnier though
[14:38] <dutchie> awilkins: it is missing some vital evil drm thing
[14:38] <awilkins> dutchie, Yeah, that was the conclusion I came to
[14:38] <awilkins> No "WidevineCDM"
[14:38] <dutchie> real chrome works fine
[14:38] <awilkins> Installing the standard vessel of evil that is Chrome
[14:39] <awilkins> Might have to tickle libnss
[14:39] <dutchie> shouldn't have to
[14:39] <dutchie> it works fine for me with the UA tweak
[14:40] <awilkins> Yeah, I heard the update was getting put into trusty-updates
[14:42] <awilkins> And holy cow it worked
[14:59] <popey> directhex: that was super interesting stuff
[15:00] <popey> directhex: lusting after some of that stuff on ubuntu now ㋛
[15:00] <directhex> popey: for app dev, yeah. i can't see some of those deep analytics things being popular in FOSS, but for the end user, "i know exactly where & why your app crashed, i just uploaded a fix" without user intervention is super nice
[15:05] <popey> yeah, for enterprise apps, very much so
[15:08] <directhex> not sure how much other in-the-oven newness is being announced at Evolve, given the keynote's over
[17:32] <DJones> Myrtti: Do you remember a conversation a month or so back about google streetview cameras being used in museums etc? How this...Google Camelview...http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/29540190 Must be interesting seeing miles & miles of sand dunes
[17:33] <Myrtti> cool
[17:36] <zmoylan-pi> must be interesting image stabilisation?
[17:38]  * zmoylan-pi awaits the day some person who wants to be very rich releases a tiny cheap gps/wifi ssid location that'll hang on a cats collar and charge upload images wirelessly :-)
[17:42] <ali1234> alreday been done
[17:43] <zmoylan-pi> i've seen cameras but not low intervention (wireless charging and uploading) so it requires depending on the cat some effort to put on and take off
[17:43] <zmoylan-pi> i still have scars from changing one cats flea collars from 30 years ago :-)
[17:48] <daftykins> hmm, the game 'Dragon Age - Origins' is free on EA's nasty 'Origin' game client right now
[17:49] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/n2nuxf4uw8sk8nz/originsfromorigin.png?dl=0
[17:49] <daftykins> a platform that claims my 40Mb tubes can pull down at this speed 0o
[20:20] <popey> which SSD do we generally recommend these days?
[20:20] <popey> Still Intel?
[20:30] <MartijnVdS> popey: Samsung are good too. And Crucial's M500 range (though that might be old, check for their newest)
[20:31] <davmor2> popey: Samsung
[20:32] <directhex> M550 is current
[20:32] <directhex> i'm looking at a Sandisk in my next machine. wife has sandisk currently
[20:32] <directhex> there are not many 1T black-and-red SSDs.
[20:45] <popey> dangerously close to buying this telly http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00HZAVAC0
[20:48] <davmor2> popey: this is obviously what you want http://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-UE40HU6900-inch-Smart-Built/dp/B00JWTVSQU ;)
[20:48] <popey> lolz
[20:50] <davmor2> popey: is that a no?  just image the gfx improvement you would see on minecraft ;)  /me waits for the long string of lolz :D
[20:50] <popey> heh
[20:51] <foobarry> arrrgh
[20:51] <foobarry> getting an extension is stressful
[20:52] <popey> why do all TV's have only 2 HDMI
[20:52] <foobarry> so much technical stuff i don't understand
[20:53] <Azelphur> Thanks EA https://owncloud.azelphur.com/owncloud/public.php?service=files&t=91dcb0ad261c2801ce58e33974e57a4a
[20:53] <Myrtti> coz you're supposed to have a AVR that you plug your things into and you plug that into the tv
[20:54] <popey> our local cinema is being made out of minecraft blocks https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10710895_10202697903113777_7732062336306266502_n.jpg?oh=42bf4b4ce0cf32671eb4c3f5967471d3&oe=54B394FE
[21:16] <davmor2> popey: nice
[21:52] <popey> decided to hold back for a bit
[21:54] <diddledan> kill all the usb: http://blog.lumension.com/9442/unpatchable-badusb-malware-code-is-now-publicly-available
[21:58] <ali1234> remember to also kill any PS/2 keyboard port as well, since they have exactly the same vulnerability
[21:58] <ali1234> namely, that you can plug a keyboard in to them