[16:02] <LeLapin> hello !!!! (and, I hope, help ! ;) ).
[16:03] <holstein> LeLapin: welcome.. just ask and a volunteer will likely try and assist you ASAP
[16:04] <LeLapin> I've broken my U-Studio 14.04.1 config (something about a multimedia software I might have incidently installed, whatever).
[16:04] <holstein> LeLapin: ?
[16:04] <holstein> LeLapin: what did you install, exactly? and how?
[16:04] <LeLapin> I reinstalled it from DVD over the old install (I dont have another disk or particion left to install on a formated disk).
[16:05] <holstein> LeLapin: so, you *had* an issue? and now you are in a fresh install?
[16:05] <LeLapin> But the bug stuill persists. This bug is about the real-time rendering/monitoring of Kdenlive.
[16:05] <holstein> LeLapin: whats the bug number?
[16:06] <LeLapin> theres no bug. When I position to the timeline, the monitor doesn't go there. The monitor plays just the clips in the left,
[16:06] <LeLapin> i mean no  BUG alarm
[16:06] <holstein> LeLapin: ok.. then, is it a bug? or no?
[16:06] <cfhowlett> LeLapin, kdenlive is outside of ubuntu so ... if you don't report a bug, how would they know to fix it???
[16:07] <holstein> LeLapin: or is it a configuration you are bringing along with you?
[16:07] <LeLapin> I would like to reinstall REALLY U-Studio from scratch, jot having it finding old packets and stuff and taking them
[16:07] <holstein> i would do the following about the kdenlive issue.. first.. if its not a bug, dont refer to it as a bug.. if it is a bug, look for a bug report and join it, or make one if you dont see one.. then..
[16:08] <LeLapin> I just wan a fresh install but while keeping my /home an 2To of data and program parameters
[16:08] <holstein> i would start the application from the terminal, and see if you get any helpful error messages.. and also, use a fresh config.. you can make a new user, or use the guest account.. if the issue is not there as a different user, the the issue is likely just in the users config for the application
[16:08] <holstein> LeLapin: those /home paramaters can be where the issues you are stating are stored
[16:09] <LeLapin> let me show yoçu the apt-get update end :
[16:09] <holstein> LeLapin: i suggest a *fresh* install.. and backup the data you have, and want to keep.. you should back this up to a different location regardless, since *all* hard drives will fail
[16:09] <LeLapin> I can't move 2Tb :(
[16:09] <LeLapin> dont have another hard disk
[16:10] <LeLapin> and donc have th e time
[16:10] <holstein> LeLapin: you can, though. and you need to have it backed up regardless.. you *will* lose that data.. period.. its not a patter of "if".. its *when* you loser it
[16:10] <holstein> so, take the time, and make a proper backup that will faciliate your actions now, and ensure you dont lose the information
[16:10] <LeLapin> my strategy was to boot from live-U-Studio and erase all old traces of packets config os some
[16:10] <cfhowlett> LeLapin, I bet if you knew the drive would fail in 1 hour, you would magically find time
[16:10] <holstein> yup
[16:10] <holstein> and, it could fail in an hour, or a minute from now
[16:11] <LeLapin> Well, the time is the other issue, I lost all day long and I have work due tonight :(
[16:11] <holstein> but, it *will* fail
[16:11] <cfhowlett> LeLapin, your driver WILL fail and it will do so without warning.
[16:11] <cfhowlett> LeLapin, make a backup plan ...
[16:11] <holstein> LeLapin: that drive *is* going to fail.. you will lose what you dont have properly backed up.. no one will suggest doing installs and partitions on that drive without backing up..
[16:11] <LeLapin> what du you mean my driver WILL fail ?
[16:11] <holstein> LeLapin: drive.. *all* hard drives fail
[16:12] <holstein> regardless, i would try and see that your issues are not just in your users config
[16:12] <cfhowlett> LeLapin, it's hardware.  hardware breaks.  ALL the time.  that's why every computer user manual you will ever read says, repeatedly, backup.  but hey, if it's just too much trouble or your data really isn't that important, ignore the advice.
[16:12] <holstein> seems like you are pulling a /home partition along with you, which is fine. and lots of users do it that way.. but, you need to have the date backed up somewhere else as well
[16:13] <LeLapin> the oblem is not a backup of fata, theres 10 Tb outside, the 2 Tb are the working config, and if I can consider taking a week to reinstall everything when theres a genuine physical crash, I wont move 2 TB without a reason :
[16:13] <holstein> and if you have issues, those issues can be with the users config
[16:13] <holstein> try isolating that..
[16:13] <holstein> LeLapin: you will soon have a reason..
[16:13] <holstein> LeLapin: it *will* break
[16:13] <holstein> but, then, you wont be able to move or copy it..
[16:13] <LeLapin> If it break I can reinstall it oonce again, it wont be worse than the othe 3 times today
[16:13] <holstein> it'll hopefully be recoverable.. and it will take *much* more time..
[16:13] <LeLapin> W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ trusty-backports/main amd64 Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/fr.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_trusty-backports_main_binary-amd64_Packages)
[16:13] <LeLapin> W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ trusty-backports/universe amd64 Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/fr.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_trusty-backports_universe_binary-amd64_Packages)
[16:13] <LeLapin> W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ trusty-backports/multiverse amd64 Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/fr.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_trusty-backports_multiverse_binary-amd64_Packages)
[16:13] <LeLapin> W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ trusty-backports/main i386 Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/fr.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_trusty-backports_main_binary-i386_Packages)
[16:14] <LeLapin> W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ trusty-backports/universe i386 Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/fr.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_trusty-backports_universe_binary-i386_Packages)
[16:14] <LeLapin> W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ trusty-backports/multiverse i386 Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/fr.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_trusty-backports_multiverse_binary-i386_Packages)
[16:14] <LeLapin> W: Vous pouvez lancer « apt-get update » pour corriger ces problèmes.
[16:14] <holstein> LeLapin: no.. its not *if* it breaks, friend.. its *when* it break
[16:14] <holstein> LeLapin: you are still saying, "if".. and it *will* break. .they all do
[16:14] <LeLapin> I juste want to get rid of that, but "Logitheque Ubuntu" shows none of them
[16:14] <holstein> LeLapin: http://askubuntu.com/questions/120621/how-to-fix-duplicate-sources-list-entry
[16:15] <holstein> !paste | LeLapin
[16:15] <LeLapin> The HD is brand new and it will not break, sorry, unless some piec of soft formats/scratches it mly data will still lbe there a few years
[16:16] <holstein> LeLapin: they *all* break. and you can google search that they are more likely to break when brand new
[16:16] <holstein> LeLapin: i am not speculating.. this is *fact*
[16:16] <holstein> LeLapin: regardless. its your data.. do test the applciations without the config that you pull along with you
[16:16] <holstein> the issues with kden live can be with the config, and not with the application
[16:17] <LeLapin> I use and design this kind of thinks since 35 years, I have my own odds thanks ;)
[16:19] <holstein> a proper backup would make it so that you can do a proper stock fresh install.. if you are afraid to, or cant, or havent, or think you shouldnt have a proper backup, then you are misinformed.. the backup can help you address the issues you are having, and get a proper fresh installation
[16:21] <holstein> using the guest account is an easy way to troubleshoot that. the guest account uses basically a temporary fresh config for the application
[16:22] <holstein> if you dont have problems in the guest account with kdenlive, then the issue is likely not a system-wide bug
[16:22] <holstein> not sure why you have messed with your sources and have duplicates.. were you trying to geo-locate? and get faster mirrors, LeLapin ?
[16:24] <LeLapin> Actually I applied a little too fast a few "waht to do after installing Trusty", and then tried to get back a few old softwares. Always the lack of time... :(
[16:24] <holstein> we have no such things.. and you should read the "fine print" on those guides. the sources are not officially supported
[16:25] <holstein> LeLapin: try a fresh stock install with no ppa's or sources. *anything* you do as sudo should be looked at closely anytime
[16:25] <holstein> could be you add sources that are providing you a broken package for kdenlive..
[16:26] <holstein> theres nothing wrong with using ppa's or adding sources.. its just about getting support from the creators of the packages at that point, since, they are not ubuntu packages
[16:26] <LeLapin> okay I'm completely lost now :(
[16:26] <LeLapin> I tried the "how to fix duplicate sources"
[16:26] <holstein> LeLapin: we have no "things to add to ubuntu" guides that are supported
[16:26] <LeLapin> created a new liste
[16:26] <holstein> LeLapin: sure.. we have no things in placed that break those.. whatever guide you followed broke those
[16:26] <LeLapin> then apt-get update gets the same error
[16:26] <holstein> LeLapin: *dont* break the soures..
[16:26] <holstein> sources*
[16:27] <holstein> LeLapin: please revert to stock sources, and purge whatever packages were installed.. otherwise, seek support with the source maintainers, becuase you will not be using ubuntu with those sources
[16:27] <cfhowlett> http://repogen.simplylinux.ch/index.php   for rebuilding the source list
[16:28] <LeLapin> Is there a way to FORCE the U-Studio to reinstall all the software part, as I thought it would/should do in an install keeping the /home (but normally getting rid ou /var and others I thought) ?
[16:28] <holstein> ^^ i agree... if your sources are broken, revert to stock
[16:28] <holstein> LeLapin: you need a seperate /home to maintain the /home
[16:29] <LeLapin> getting mad :(
[16:29] <holstein> LeLapin: *nothing* like that should be done without backups.. you can try and have the ubuntu installer save settings, but i would have backups
[16:29] <cfhowlett> this !!!! ^^^
[16:29] <cfhowlett> but .. you already knew that ...
[16:29] <holstein> LeLapin: if you have only one copy of the /home, and its on the same disk, there is no easy way to maintain that other than a proper copy/backup
[16:29] <holstein> LeLapin: any other option should not be done without a backup..
[16:30] <LeLapin> No, I thought (and it's written) that the "overinstall" (keeping the /hom) would actually really reset all the software parts except personnal parameters (that are in the home)
[16:30] <holstein> LeLapin: that should not be done without a backup.. perio
[16:30] <holstein> period*
[16:30] <holstein> LeLapin: you are welcome to try it.. and i wouldnt.. and dont suggest it.. and no one will
[16:31] <holstein> LeLapin: the "best" and only way to proceed.. copy/backup the data, and fresh install..
[16:31] <LeLapin> Okay. Know what can I do ? I dont have the possibility to move those 2 To. know, nor the money to buy another one, etc. :/
[16:31] <holstein> LeLapin: sure. but, that needs to happen regardless. since you will lose that anyway
[16:32] <holstein> LeLapin: that data is not backed up. so, i would personally address this flaw in your setup, and this would also help me with the reinstall
[16:32] <LeLapin> can I try the soft and long way first, would you help me ?
[16:32] <holstein> in the future, i would try and keep a seperate /home partition, and backup the data regardless
[16:32] <holstein> LeLapin: you just fire up the installer, and install
[16:32] <holstein> !install
[16:33] <holstein> LeLapin: the installer will ask what you want to do. and you try the steps that i suggest you dont try without a proper backup
[16:33] <LeLapin> I used a fresh CD.
[16:33] <holstein> LeLapin: should be too large for a CD
[16:33] <cfhowlett> USB
[16:33] <holstein> you can use..
[16:33] <holstein> !mini
[16:34] <LeLapin> dvd sorry, I used the fresh one d/l on the U-studio site like I said 14.04.1
[16:34] <holstein> LeLapin: sure.. use it to do a fresh install if that is what you want.. i suggest having backups of your /home before starting
[16:35] <LeLapin> I dont have room for ù!
[16:35] <holstein> LeLapin: to leave the /home in place, you would need to move the data around, at best. and create a new partition, and resize on that disk.. *all* of which is dangerous when working without a backup
[16:35] <holstein> LeLapin: you dont have room for what?
[16:35] <LeLapin> to store the data elsewhere
[16:36] <holstein> LeLapin: then, i suggest you make arrangements to do so..
[16:36] <LeLapin> prostitute ? ^^
[16:36] <holstein> otherwise, you find room on the disk by resizing partitions, and make a partition that is the /home that doesnt get formatted during installation
[16:36] <holstein> LeLapin: you would use gparted to resize the partitions.. you will click through a warning that outlines what i am warning you of
[16:37] <LeLapin> I can rty that, but yes, it is much more dangerous than trying to put back the good packets
[16:37] <holstein> LeLapin: ubuntu dosnt have a "put back good packets" installer
[16:38] <holstein> LeLapin: i would just shrink the current partition and fresh install onto empty space, and clean up the existing partition and call it "data" and mount it back.. but, i would have copies of the data before moving on..
[16:39] <LeLapin> I juste would like the bad ones to go away. The install disk DOES put the good ones when it doesn't find another one.
[16:39] <holstein> LeLapin: sure. go for it, then.. just click through the menu following the path you want, and remember that you were warned.. and hopefully nothing bad happens
[16:40] <holstein> LeLapin: the install disk doesnt have a "put good ones back" step.. it only formats and installs.. as it will state
[16:40] <LeLapin> When you do video editing, and move about 10 Tb in benevolent using recuparation mcomputers and Linux you don't have the money to double your data storage
[16:40] <holstein> LeLapin: all of that is irrelevant..
[16:40] <LeLapin> its the context
[16:40] <holstein> LeLapin: if you cant back it up, you will lose it. maybe not today
[16:40] <holstein> LeLapin: its nothing to do with context.. its a fact
[16:41] <holstein> LeLapin: if you choose to try and fresh install onto that disk there is a risk... its the same risk as doing nothing, so i would just address the risk
[16:41] <LeLapin> its a fact that if i had to backup everything i wouldn't have done even one movie by now
[16:42] <holstein> LeLapin: you dont *have* to backup.. you just need to.. if you need to keep the data
[16:43] <holstein> anyways.. i wish you luck and hope nothing happens.. and suggest you make copies ASAP..
[16:43] <holstein> you can use #ubuntu if its slow here, since you have only basic installation questions... cheers!
[16:51] <studio-user358> need some help installing, GRUB2 keeps on failing when installing
[17:14] <nik_> Ciao a tutti, volevo sapere se c'è un modo per spegnere il pc senza ilò classigo modo, essendo che spesso mi ritrovo con tastiera e mouse bloccati Grazie
[18:10] <holstein> nik_: ..
[18:10] <holstein> !tty
[18:11] <holstein> "sudo reboot" or "sudo halt", or "sudo shutdown -r now"
[18:11] <holstein> !it
[18:12] <nik_> sorry but the keyboard is locked how do I write?
[18:12] <holstein> nik_: try tty
[18:13] <holstein> also.. setup ssh, and ssh connect from another machine, and enter those commands..
[18:13] <holstein> !ssh
[18:13] <holstein> the question is, how much of the machine is locked, and how.. if you cant tty, or connect via ssh, you may have a kernel panic, or some larger issue
[21:04] <sampler> hey guys goodevening from germany