[10:16] <bluesabre> elfy: did the dailies fail to build yesterdaay?
[10:19] <bluesabre> knome: NonLanguagePackTranslationDeadline tomorrow, does that affect us?
[10:21] <slickymasterWork> I don't think so bluesabre 
[10:22] <knome> bluesabre, well that's practically our translation deadline, since we don't have stuff that's in language packs
[10:22] <bluesabre> ok, thought so
[10:23] <slickymasterWork> yeaps
[10:23] <slickymasterWork> hi knome 
[10:23] <knome> bluesabre, so kind of, if we want new translations in, we should do it before that
[10:23] <knome> bluesabre, talk to Unit193 and check if there are new translations for the docs that we'd prefer in
[10:23] <bluesabre> ok
[10:23] <knome> (if any has bumped over 80% meanwhile)
[10:23] <bluesabre> thanks knome, that's what I was looking for
[10:23] <slickymasterWork> none knome 
[10:23] <knome> i think that's the only worthwhile thing to do for non-LTS
[10:23] <knome> slickymasterWork, hey :)
[10:24] <slickymasterWork> neither the spanish, the french or the russian made it :P
[10:24] <knome> well also, if some languages are really close, today is the time to tell the translators to take the last plunge
[10:25] <knome> hmm, occitan has 703 strings translated :P
[10:25] <knome> no
[10:25] <knome> untranslated
[10:26] <knome> spanish says 26 untranslated in LP
[10:26] <knome> that sounds like a winner
[10:26] <knome> the french are ~70 strings away
[10:26] <knome> russian: ~110
[10:27] <knome> (away from including)
[10:27] <qwebirc934011> I was wrong, the spanish is 96.8%
[10:27] <knome> 13:26  knome: spanish says 26 untranslated in LP
[10:27] <knome> 13:26  knome: that sounds like a winner
[10:27] <bluesabre> oh nice
[10:27] <bluesabre> guess I will be doing an upload for that one then
[10:27] <qwebirc934011> great
[10:27] <knome> they should invent a web irc client that can work through disconnects or at least show the history from the channel during the last few minutes
[10:28] <qwebirc934011> or someone could improve my work connectivity 
[10:28] <knome> like your boss? :P
[10:28] <slickymasterWork> lol, that would be fun
[10:29] <slickymasterWork> brb ->
[10:29] <bluesabre> http://scrollback.io/
[10:29] <bluesabre> the numix folks use it
[10:29] <knome> i guess he wouldn't be happy if you told him "the connection is too lousy to IRC, please get a better connection"
[10:29] <knome> right
[10:31] <knome> i guess that involves a bot on the channel, right?
[10:31] <bluesabre> not sure, but that would make sense
[10:32] <knome> okay
[10:32] <bluesabre> https://scrollback.io/numix?tab=people seems to mirror #numix, none of their bots have obvious names
[10:33] <bluesabre> indicator-sound got an update yesterday
[10:33] <bluesabre> I'm scared
[10:34] <knome> :P
[10:35] <bluesabre> uh oh
[10:35] <bluesabre> about to be kicked
[10:35] <knome> :D
[10:35] <knome> nah
[10:35] <knome1> hello
[10:35] <knome> >__<
[10:36] <bluesabre> hey knome1
[10:36] <bluesabre> :P
[10:36] <knome> first thing i notice, it doesn't handle conflicting nicks nicely
[10:36] <knome> in scrollback, my nick is knome1, and here, the scrollback nick is obviously knome1...
[10:37] <knome> and it seems like the interface is way too airy
[10:37] <bluesabre> scrollback1 is here too
[10:37] <knome> https://scrollback.io/xubuntu-devel?tab=info
[10:37] <knome> yes, that's the bot that reads the channel
[10:37] <knome> i invited it
[10:37] <knome> that's why i needed ops
[10:37] <bluesabre> oh
[10:37] <bluesabre> lol
[10:38] <knome> hmm
[10:38] <bluesabre> so yeah, it messes up nicks
[10:38] <knome> yeah
[10:38] <knome> that's stupid
[10:38] <knome> and i can see a whopping 9 lines of text on my screen with scrollback
[10:38] <knome> that's not very handy really
[10:38] <bluesabre> yeah, not a huge fan of the fluffiness
[10:39] <knome> ok, i'll kill this
[10:39] <bluesabre> but, just thought I'd mention that it exists
[10:39] <knome> yeah, good one ;)
[10:39] <knome> just not for us
[10:43] <knome> the whole experience is a bit meh
[10:44] <knome> there's no way to access your personal details unless you join a room
[10:44] <knome> and the default is to send email notifications about (i guess) pings with your nick
[10:44] <knome> but that's not mentioned anywhere, except if you happen to find your way to the options
[11:07] <ochosi> bluesabre: oh, there's a new version of indicator sound?
[11:07] <ochosi> that can
[11:07] <ochosi> 't be good, can it?
[11:07] <ochosi> :)
[11:07] <bluesabre> :)
[11:35] <elfy> bluesabre: appear to not be building for anyone last I looked
[11:40] <knome> elfy, did you want to drop the qa incentives discussion from the agenda or do i just misremember?
[11:42] <knome> bluesabre, hold on a second with the docs upload.
[11:42] <knome> elfy, could've done that for you, just wanted a confirmation :)
[11:42] <elfy> knome: LOL - I have *just this minute* removed that :)
[11:43] <knome> yeah, i noticed...
[11:43] <elfy> :)
[11:44] <elfy> I didn't see your ping till I'd done
[11:44] <knome> heh
[11:44] <elfy> just catching up on mails - saw the update to it
[11:45] <knome> bluesabre, you're safe now, just pushed a tiny commit
[11:45] <knome> Unit193, ^ fix for es.po is in trunk
[12:45] <knome> ah, finally
[12:45] <knome> wrote a gresemonkey script that converts the "Discard all messages marked Defer" to a label
[12:45] <knome> so you don't have to hit the checkbox, you can simply click the label/text
[13:15] <knome> (and if any moderator is interested, it's definitely to share)
[17:50] <elfy> ochosi: ok - so at some point today timeout:  600    cycle:  600 appeared - nothing to do with me
[17:51] <elfy> had a whole bunch of updates
[17:51] <elfy> http://pastebin.com/2dd0g6jQ
[17:54] <elfy> those this morning and these http://pastebin.com/LXM2wYdC this afternoon - pretty positive that the change in timeout occurred after this lot
[17:55] <elfy> everything in power manager is still set to Never
[17:55] <elfy> and xset -q timeout is as above
[17:56] <elfy> I have to move the settings in xfpm to something other than Never
[17:57] <elfy> then set them to Never so that they do set to what I want
[17:57] <elfy> Standby: 0    Suspend: 0    Off: 0
[18:35] <Unit193> knome: That's half the fix.
[18:35] <knome> Unit193, aha
[18:35] <knome> Unit193, anyway.
[18:38] <Unit193> http://paste.openstack.org/show/9FvPm0DE5nTZpq0nGkaQ current stats.
[18:38] <knome> yeah, i looked at the LP translation stats.
[18:54] <Unit193> No idea if the stats online differ, I should check.
[18:54] <knome> looked like es made the cut
[19:32] <ochosi> elfy: possibly the new kernel reset these settings
[19:32] <ochosi> it's odd though
[19:39] <elfy> I've got an old vm I can test that with 
[19:39] <ochosi> that'd be great
[19:39] <elfy> yea - odd indeed
[19:39] <ochosi> i wonder a bit what to do about it
[19:39] <ochosi> i mean it's a bit of a conceptual question
[19:40] <ochosi> one way to solve this would be to just force xfpm to overrule X11's own settings if they differ
[19:40] <ochosi> the other option is to update the settings UI with the X11 value in case they differ
[19:52] <ochosi> humm, if only one day nouveau drivers would not make my fans spin all the time...
[19:52] <knome> what's wrong with enthusiastic fans?
[19:52] <knome> :P
[19:53] <ochosi> well, they make me say "settle down, folks" all the time
[19:53] <ochosi> and that's exhausting
[19:54] <genii> Plus being wasteful of electricity
[19:55] <knome> genii, depends if the fans are ecological or not...
[19:56] <knome> genii, but maybe you missed my crooked interpretation about "fans"
[19:56]  * Unit193 got it. :D
[19:56] <genii> Oddly i used to have the opposite issue with the nvidia driver, the fan never got triggered and gpu overheated
[19:56]  * genii eyeball-rolls
[19:56] <Unit193> Only one?  That's not good.
[20:01] <elfy> ochosi: so kernel update didn't do it
[20:02] <elfy> entirely possible it's something else locally doing it - no-one else appears to be affected by it - or leave the times at default :)
[20:22] <elfy> ochosi: so updated that completely and no change - I think I will just assume it to be a local issue which will be gone in November when it's VV here instead
[20:26] <Unit193> Oi, not going to update that soon after. :3
[20:27] <elfy> I will - probably
[20:29] <knome> :)
[20:29] <elfy> just not in vbox ... 
[20:31] <elfy> ochosi: did you talk to xnox again yet?
[20:34] <elfy> I'll find out tomorrow - night all :)
[20:54] <ali1234> how do you mark a file as executable with thunar?
[20:54] <knome> i don't think you do :)
[20:55] <Unit193> Properties -> last tab
[20:55] <ali1234> doesn't work, i can only set read/write permissions
[20:56] <knome> Unit193, yep, there's no executable bit checkbox.
[20:56] <ali1234> there is if the file is a "program" - presumably elf?
[20:57] <Unit193> Checked, it's pcmanfm that I was thinking of, my bad.
[20:57] <ali1234> it also knows about shell scripts. i wonder how that actually works?
[20:57] <ochosi> humm, is it possible that a blueman update changed the icon-name of its indicator in 14.10?
[20:57] <knome> are there any reasons (apart that it's stupid) to mark a regular file as executable?
[20:58] <ali1234> java jars?
[20:58] <ali1234> i was just looking at this bug: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7677
[20:58] <ochosi> can anyone confirm that it's not the white bt-symbol anymore but one with a blue oval as background?
[21:00] <ali1234> https://github.com/blueman-project/blueman/commit/d1772f678724de394e5b11eca10ab7de07895eac <- related?
[21:01] <ali1234> looks related to me...
[21:01] <ali1234> the icon used to be "bluetooth" now it is "blueman"
[21:01] <ochosi> just realised i had 1.99 from a ppa
[21:01] <knome> " :) "
[21:02] <ochosi> yup, but thanks for the hint ali1234 
[21:02] <ochosi> i'll be ahead this time and just add the symlinks now :)
[21:04] <ochosi> gah, that is sooo silly
[21:04] <knome> what is?
[21:05] <ochosi> we're carrying "blueman-tray-active" etc for the *old* blueman
[21:05] <ochosi> then "bluetooth-active" for the current blueman
[21:05] <knome> " :) "
[21:05] <ochosi> and now we'll have another set of symlinks for "blueman-active" for the new one...
[21:15] <knome> how nice of them
[21:16] <ochosi> yup
[21:16] <ochosi> anyway, we support it all now
[21:16] <ochosi> (at least in git)
[21:16] <knome> can't applications support fallbacks?
[21:18] <ochosi> yup, they can
[21:18] <knome> yeah...
[21:18] <ochosi> (i knew it was a rhetorical question, but i felt like giving a rhetorical answer)
[21:18] <knome> :)
[21:19] <knome> it half-was rhetorical
[21:23] <ochosi> right, i guess that does make my answer half-rhetorical too then :]
[21:23] <knome> hah
[21:33] <ochosi> time to sleep, night everyone
[21:34] <knome> nighty ochosi 
[22:22] <dkessel> is there a page or document with proposals for packages to be replaced or added in 15.04?
[22:23] <skellat> dkessel: Not yet
[22:23] <knome> umh, in what scope? all repositories? xubuntu? replaced/added in the seed?
[22:24] <dkessel> scope: xubuntu - i guess i mean replaced/added in the seed
[22:24] <knome> in that case, as skellat said, not yet
[22:25] <dkessel> ok. if that happens, consider deja-dup ;)