[00:29] <squidward> hi
[00:29] <squidward> oops wrong channel
[00:47] <xubuntu48489> How long will the uppdates work on a xubuntu normal version ?
[00:52] <knome> regular releases are support for 9 months
[01:01] <xubuntu48489> And LTS is 3 years for xubuntu ?
[01:03] <knome> that's right
[01:57] <BuntuTech> is gnome here?
[01:57] <BuntuTech> knome i meant
[02:19] <holstein> BuntuTech: how can we help you?
[02:27] <e87hd> how do I fix this? http://imgur.com/sUFG5zI
[02:27] <holstein> e87hd: i would close that.. open a terminal, and run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" and share errors.
[02:28] <holstein> !paste
[02:31] <e87hd> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8518356/
[02:32] <e87hd> hmm
[02:32] <e87hd> it just went away
[02:33] <holstein> e87hd: it?
[02:33] <holstein> you mean, you no longer get that error message?
[02:33] <holstein> e87hd: you have a lot of ppa's that can cause issues
[04:24] <enrico_> hi guys, my interface is all messed up since yesterday, and I have no idea how to solve this. Most of menu bars are unusable and some disappear above the top of the screen, as well as both headers and status bars. 99% can't be moved either, the only thing that allows me to do something are keybord shortcuts. Some functions are disabled, as clicking on firefox options (but using shortcuts that works)
[04:25] <enrico_> Moreover, most windows won't fit to full screen
[04:30] <enrico_> my desktop files and folders are all disappeared
[04:31] <enrico_> Of course I can see them via file manager, but they just don't show on desktop
[08:00] <Guest7622> anyone get the same problem as me when doing apt-get update when reaches firefox update downliad part freezes?
[08:02] <Guest7622> bye
[10:12] <knosys> i would like that ubuntu recognize the volume keys on my keyboard, nomatter where is my focus on my interface
[10:12] <knosys> that would be a nice evolution
[10:12] <knosys> i would like that ubuntu recognize the volume keys on my keyboard, nomatter where is my focus on my interface
[10:12] <knosys> oops
[10:12] <knosys> lol
[10:13] <knosys> excuse me, i was scrolled up and didnt see what was sended
[10:13] <knosys> didnt men to repeat
[10:13] <knosys> mean*
[11:50] <langit> malam
[11:50] <langit> hallo?
[11:52] <facepalm> Do you have a question?
[11:58] <langit> just say hello to try this OS, im newbie,,, im sorry
[11:58] <langit> how to install dropbox an gdrive in xubuntu?
[11:59] <Azelphur> langit: dropbox has Linux support, just download and install as usual, it'll automatically give you the right file (a .deb)
[12:00] <facepalm> You could also apt-get install nautilus-dropbox
[12:00] <langit> oke, thx guys...
[12:03] <langit> its work,,,,,
[12:03] <langit> Please restart all running instances of Nautilus, or you will experience problems. i.e. nautilus --quit
[12:03] <langit> Dropbox installation successfully completed! You can start Dropbox from your applications menu.
[12:03] <langit> Processing triggers for libc-bin (2.19-0ubuntu6.3) ...
[12:05] <facepalm> Did dropbox open after that?
[12:06] <facepalm> If so click start, then login or create your account.
[12:07] <langit> oke, thx.. has done
[12:07] <facepalm> Awesome :)
[12:08] <langit> my first xubuntu :)
[12:10] <facepalm> You'll enjoy it.
[17:13] <nomic> having trouble installing 14.04 on a 16gb machine
[17:13] <nomic> ram
[17:15] <nomic> machine running win 7 .. hp workstation 16gb ram -- won't boot the 14.04 install dvd -- or even a 12.04 install usb .. is sitting there with a blank screen -- anyone got any ideas
[17:16] <facepalm> Did you check the iso's md5?
[17:16] <facepalm> How did you write the iso?
[17:18] <nomic> the iso has worked on other machines
[17:18] <nomic> im thinking of factory resetting the bios
[17:18] <nomic> nos
[17:18] <nomic> now
[17:19] <facepalm> Is the bios boot order set for cd/usb before hdd?
[17:19] <GridCube> !uefi | nomic
[17:19] <facepalm> ^ and that
[17:19] <nomic> yeah but this is an old (pre uefi) machine
[17:20] <nomic> i just want to blow away THE MICROSOFT TAX
[17:20]  * nomic spits
[17:20] <nomic> musta blanked 10 machines of THE MICROSOFT TAX
[17:20]  * nomic spits
[17:21] <knome> nomic, stop that.
[17:21] <nomic> wrote to dell, it was -- once & they never replied
[17:21] <nomic> ok knome
[17:22] <GridCube> nomic, see if anything of this helps you https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions
[17:23] <facepalm> Is it a dvd/cd or flash drive? I've occasionally had issues with flash installs where rewriting the iso to said drive has helped.
[17:24] <nomic> dvd
[17:24] <nomic> mebbe try adjusting acpi down the line re: bootoptions
[17:32] <nomic> accesses the install dvd a lot -- then nothing -- flashing cursor - topleft .. will wait a bit longer -- a lot longer
[17:36] <nomic> igoing to tri another linux (install)
[17:43] <nomic> why the hell would a bios reset -- machine that recognises the sata disk -- not boot the install dvd
[17:44] <nomic> hp workstation
[17:44] <nomic> is going through (cycling) the cd rom for a minute or so - then stops, blank screen
[17:44] <facepalm> Maybe you should check to make sure your drive is functioning correctly.
[17:44] <nomic> showsz the purple keybaord at first
[17:45] <nomic> the drive ran windows 7
[17:45] <nomic> but since the factory reset -- that says it needs repairing -- maybe I should go through its "repair"
[17:46] <facepalm> I don't think repairing windows has anything to do with it.
[17:46] <facepalm> Maybe try using a flash drive instead.
[17:46] <nomic> yeah but the drive isn't ok now -- there may be something wrong
[17:46] <nomic> since the bios reset
[17:47] <nomic> im trying that - then I try a usb install again
[17:49] <nomic> im calm about this -- dunno why
[17:49] <nomic> I see a working PC, a working hard drive
[17:51] <nomic> i think windows -- said "windows found proble with your computers startup (bios??) option" -- repairing & rebooting
[17:51] <nomic> something obvious maybe
[18:09] <nomic> just a bit of circling around options & I now have 12.04 @ least installing .. tyvm ... that'll probably install --- I'll go through that (text install) .. then get to 14.04 ... would probably install right away 14.04 but I'll leave it installing 12.04 for now ... tyvm people
[18:19] <xubuntu492> hello
[18:19] <xubuntu492> is anyone online
[18:19] <Alftand> hello?
[18:19] <elfy> 140 other people are online - not necessarily about
[18:19] <holstein> Alftand: yes.. just ask if you have a support question, and use the ot chan for chat. cheers
[18:19] <elfy> ask the question if someone can answer they will :)
[18:19] <Alftand> ok
[18:20] <Alftand> i've just installed a new OS (xubuntu) after my experimenting with kde went terribly wrong
[18:20] <Alftand> do you have any advice for the do's and dont's on a fresh xubuntu install?
[18:21] <holstein> Alftand: what are you used to using? windows?
[18:21] <Alftand> i switched from windows a few months ago
[18:21] <Alftand> i went windows
[18:21] <Alftand> mint
[18:21] <Alftand> xubuntu
[18:21] <holstein> think about how long you used windows "as-is" and didnt try messing with anything.. and try and have that same level of patience with yourself as you get used to xubuntu/linux
[18:22] <Alftand> ok
[18:22] <Alftand> thx
[18:22] <elfy> editing system files - back them up first
[18:22] <holstein> when experiementing, use a guest account or a live CD.. have good backups, no matter what os you use.. and dont use "sudo" commands lightly
[18:22] <Alftand> im on a live usb now
[18:23] <elfy> when I first started - after reinstalling 3 times in one week - I got used to trying things out in a vm first
[18:23] <holstein> Alftand: you cant break that live environment in any permanent way.
[18:23] <facepalm> Breaking things can be fun.
[18:23] <facepalm> Just be sure to always have a current backup.
[18:23] <holstein> yup.. VM ^ is handy as well. .with virtualbox and other virtualizers you can save "Snapshots" from before you break things
[18:24] <elfy> most important thing to remember is that linux is not windows - not a free replacement for windows - it's different
[18:24] <Alftand> im very inexperienced with xfce
[18:24] <holstein> breaking things is a great way to learn.. but, being prepared for that breakage can help you not be frustrated, or blame the OS
[18:24] <elfy> and when you ask people support things try and remember that we'll think the windows way is wrong :)
[18:24] <Alftand> ik
[18:24] <Alftand> quick poll
[18:24] <Alftand> panel on top
[18:24] <Alftand> or panel on bottom
[18:24] <Alftand> ?
[18:25] <elfy> whatever works for you ;)
[18:25] <holstein> you can put a panel where you like. use the live CD to experiment
[18:25] <Alftand> what is your opinions
[18:25] <Alftand> ?
[18:25] <elfy> you can have it on the side - on the side as a deskbar
[18:25] <holstein> my opinion is, it should be what works for you, and the individual user
[18:25] <facepalm> I use bottom.. With the whisker menu to the right and the time to the left.
[18:25] <Hedgework> Alftand: You'll find that one of the good things about Linux in general is that you have a lot of freedom to change it to fit you better...or break horribly.  Power works both ways.  Most of us learned by breaking things; that's totally okay.  Just learn to keep good backups, and never experiment on a system you desperately need for some work task in three hours.
[18:25] <knome> Alftand, we don't really like polls much on this channel, since everything is so subjective. some people don't even use panels.
[18:26] <Hedgework> knome: I don't even use Xfce (the desktop environment that comes with xubuntu)
[18:26] <Hedgework> err, Alftand ^^^
[18:26] <elfy> Alftand: try them all - see what works for you
[18:26] <Alftand> kk
[18:26] <Hedgework> Alftand: What other people use or like isn't really predictive of what will work for you.  Humans are *incredibly* varied.
[18:26] <Alftand> i dont like the deskbar thingy
[18:26]  * Hedgework would put emacs keybindings on the world and call all UI problems "solved"
[18:27] <Alftand> i might go for the top
[18:27]  * Hedgework would then be lynched
[18:27] <Alftand> just to hate windows
[18:28] <elfy> Alftand: so in summary - backup, try things in a seperate environment if you can (live, vm) - your preferences will not be anyone else's in the end :)
[18:28] <Alftand> and 1 more question
[18:28] <elfy> just enjoy playing for a while
[18:28] <Alftand> how can u get the super key to open the menu
[18:29] <Alftand> how u get that key binding
[18:29] <Hedgework> Alftand: Somewhere in settings, there is a thing for keyboard shortcuts...be careful because there are actually two: one for Xfce4 keybindings, and one for launching other applications.
[18:29] <Hedgework> Alftand: Just poke around until you find it. :)
[18:30] <elfy> kbd - app shortcut - edit the line for xfce4-popup-whiskermenu
[18:31] <Alftand> do you just use xubuntu due to low memory consumption
[18:31] <Alftand> or do you just prefer it
[18:31] <Alftand> ?
[18:31] <elfy> prefer it
[18:31] <Alftand> same
[18:31] <elfy> Alftand: you'd be better chatting in #xubuntu-offtopic :)
[18:32] <elfy> this is really just the support channel
[18:32] <Alftand> kk
[18:32] <Hedgework> Alftand: I use Xubuntu on my work systems because it comes with slightly less pre-installed stuff I don't like than other *buntu variants, but still has the incredible binary package availability of Ubuntu.
[18:32] <Alftand> sorry if i was causing any nuisance
[18:32] <Alftand> cya
[18:32] <elfy> sigh
[18:33] <Hedgework> Alftand: I'm more of a power user, so *buntu isn't my first choice, but my personal systems are source-based distros (types of Linux where I custom-build every little thing to my spec) and that's not terribly practical when someone says "I found a vulnerability in XYZ" and I don't have time to compile it's 32 dependencies.
[18:33] <Hedgework> hrm.
[18:35] <Hedgework> elfy: I really don't get this channel sometimes.  Really tolerant of BS users who demand help with problems they don't explain, demand expressions of expertise from people giving them free help, and otherwise being support leeches...but a perfectly polite newb coming in from the web UI who just wanted general guidance we're harsh with?
[18:35] <knome> Hedgework, this is not the channel to discuss that either... if you insist, you can discuss that at #ubuntu-ops
[18:35]  * Hedgework sighs and gets back to work.
[18:44] <knosys> Hello, isnt there a way in xfce to see in the file system navigator the time when files were modified?
[18:44] <knosys> i can see the date, but not the time
[18:45] <Hedgework> knosys: 'ls -lh' will give it to you on the command line...no idea about the gui thing
[18:45] <knosys> i saw i can configure the columns on the windows, but there is no colum named "Time of modification"
[18:45] <knosys> i see ok. Thanks
[18:45] <knosys> That should be a suggestion for next versions :D
[18:48] <elfy> knosys: open thunar preferences -  display tab - at the bottom - change what date format is
[18:48] <knosys> elfy i will look for that, thanks so much
[18:49]  * elfy didn't actually know, just went to look at Thunar prefs - so I learnt something too ;)
[18:50] <knosys> awesome, thats what i needed
[18:50] <knosys> thanks both!
[19:05] <xubuntu202> salve, qualcuno può aiutarmi con l'installazione?
[19:06] <elfy> !it | xubuntu202
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[22:50] <nomic> 14.04 won't run on this hp workstation xw6400 with 16gb ram -- 12.04 will .. 14.04 works on an xw6400 with 4gb ram
[23:29] <nomic> i got a hp workstation with 16gb of ram installed and it only recognises 2gb why is this?
[23:29] <nomic> xubuntu 14.04
[23:30] <Azelphur> nomic: installed 32bit OS?
[23:30] <nomic> no 64bit
[23:30] <nomic> will check brb
[23:30] <Azelphur> nomic: do uname -a
[23:33] <nomic> uname -a doesn't have 64 in it
[23:33] <nomic> i dunno why I got a 32 bit system -- that'll be the problem right
[23:34] <nomic> see -- the live cd 14.04 it won'#t even boot
[23:34] <nomic> Linux x9 3.2.0-58-generic #88-Ubuntu SMP Tue Dec 3 17:40:43 UTC 2013 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
[23:34] <nomic> thats a 32 bit system
[23:36] <nomic> yeah -- I mistakenly got the 32 bit iso
[23:37] <nomic> dang
[23:37] <nomic> i just didn't check
[23:37] <nomic> so .. I now re-attempt
[23:37] <nomic> but -- why doesn't a 64 bit install boot?
[23:37] <nomic> must try 12.04 64 bit now
[23:38] <nomic> what I think is that the 14.04 dvd (install) .. can't boot it at all as it is 32 bit?
[23:39] <nomic> that can't be right -- how do you install a 64 bit system
[23:39] <nomic> maybe I try the net install
[23:41] <nomic> I noticed weeks back that the 14.04 install isn't a 32 bit / 64 bit separate version anymore
[23:41] <nomic> Im hoping to be able to install 12.04 64 bit now, and then upgrade it
[23:42] <nomic> managd to get a hp workstation with 4 corte processor and 16gb ram 1tb hard drive for the unbelievable price of £189
[23:42] <nomic> could not resist it
[23:43] <nomic> xw6400, which I already run
[23:43] <Azelphur> nomic: yea, that's 32bit
[23:44]  * nomic nods .. was a mistake
[23:44] <Azelphur> and the 64bit should install
[23:44] <nomic> i keep a 32 bit 12.04 on disk for rescue purposes
[23:44] <nomic> just flashed the usb and ddin't check it
[23:44] <nomic> thanks
[23:57] <nomic> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flqgdPX0RyQ  The Moderns - The Year of today
[23:58] <nomic> they're a mod tribute band
[23:58] <nomic> or copy
[23:59] <Azelphur> !offtopic | nomic
[23:59] <nomic> oops
[23:59] <nomic> wrong channel