| jussi | bah, riddell not here | 01:06 |
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| jussi | anyway, when he gets back, I need to inform him that yes, I am running i386 | 01:07 |
| valorie | jussi: interesting, so you encountered the identical problem in 386 that I had with 64 | 04:00 |
| soee | good morning | 06:19 |
| apachelogger | valorie, sgclark: no one worked on neon since May | 06:35 |
| apachelogger | and for neon that is a good thing because it means the way it is designed worked out perfectly | 06:35 |
| valorie | so why were we recommending people use it? | 06:36 |
| valorie | when problems were reported, the response was - not supported | 06:36 |
| apachelogger | there were no problems | 06:36 |
| apachelogger | everything I got told was fallout from the design decisions | 06:37 |
| apachelogger | such as the conflict you have | 06:37 |
| valorie | had | 06:37 |
| valorie | I've purged it | 06:37 |
| valorie | anyway, nbd | 06:44 |
| valorie | it's ending anyway | 06:44 |
| valorie | I'd rather see work go into improving our processes for the future | 06:44 |
| apachelogger | sgclark: I think 1713db3e3fa554d479584975908e7f2b807a9ab6 in khelpcenter is another variant of the mildly wrong version bumps | 06:50 |
| apachelogger | -Breaks: khelpcenter-data (<< 4:5.0.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa2) | 06:50 |
| apachelogger | -Replaces: khelpcenter4, khelpcenter-data (<< 4:5.0.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa2) | 06:50 |
| apachelogger | +Breaks: khelpcenter-data (<< 4:5.2.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa2) | 06:50 |
| apachelogger | +Replaces: khelpcenter4, khelpcenter-data (<< 4:5.2.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa2) | 06:50 |
| apachelogger | going to fix that | 06:50 |
| Riddell | hola | 07:52 |
| valorie | hola | 07:52 |
| valorie | Riddell: | 07:52 |
| valorie | [18:06] <jussi> bah, riddell not here | 07:53 |
| valorie | [18:07] <jussi> anyway, when he gets back, I need to inform him that yes, I am running i386 | 07:53 |
| Riddell | well at least that's consistent, i386 image did weird things for me | 07:57 |
| Riddell | and I have zero idea why :( | 07:57 |
| soee | Riddell: there was a guy yesterday who said he backported nm or something for trusty, i said to catch you or other develoepr here today | 07:57 |
| soee | so please try to answer him when he asked anything :) | 07:57 |
| soee | *ask | 07:58 |
| valorie | jussi got the same problems I did, in 64 | 07:58 |
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| Riddell | well I'm making final 5.1 tars today for Plasma and we can but hope those solve some of the issues | 08:04 |
| valorie | excellent | 08:04 |
| valorie | I look forward to some progress | 08:04 |
| sgclark | morning | 08:54 |
| Riddell | hi sgclark! | 09:00 |
| Riddell | thanks for getting up at such an anti social hour | 09:00 |
| sgclark | :) | 09:00 |
| Riddell | with any luck kio will finally get getting through into release https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kio/5.3.0-0ubuntu1/+build/6440886 | 09:01 |
| sgclark | yay | 09:01 |
| sgclark | so no one is maintaining neon? | 09:02 |
| Riddell | I don't think so | 09:02 |
| valorie | since may, apachelogger said | 09:02 |
| Riddell | I wonder if we should be updating any web pages that mention it | 09:02 |
| valorie | it isn't the future, so fine | 09:03 |
| valorie | but we shouldn't be recommending it | 09:03 |
| sgclark | ahh valorie, yeah was going to point out your kio kio-extras breakage on it | 09:03 |
| apachelogger | no | 09:03 |
| valorie | and the chan topic should be changed | 09:03 |
| apachelogger | I said no one worked on it since May | 09:03 |
| valorie | sorry, apachelogger, to have misquoted | 09:03 |
| valorie | an hour ago in #project-neon: " | 09:04 |
| valorie | [01:33] <mokush> any idea about the project-neon5-kio and project-neon5-kio-extras error in the latest packages? | 09:04 |
| valorie | [01:35] <mokush> I'm getting 'trying to overwrite '/opt/project-neon5/bin/ktrash5', which is also in package project-neon5-kio' from project-neon5-kio-extras | 09:04 |
| apachelogger | "Secondly you need to manually dpkg -i --force-overwrite the kio package due to a file transition that neon by design won't handle for you." | 09:07 |
| lordievader | Good morning. | 09:07 |
| sgclark | morning | 09:08 |
| valorie | I will quote that in the channel when next it arises | 09:08 |
| Riddell | sgclark: did you get a chance to look at kopete skype foo? | 09:27 |
| Riddell | we removed those icons historically due to trademark but we fixed it upstream (I think) and not they disappear when we merge with debian but they shouldn't | 09:27 |
| sgclark | Riddell: woops got distracted studying, on it now | 09:27 |
| Riddell | oh don't let me distract you from studying! | 09:28 |
| sgclark | hehe, it shouldn't take long to fix that | 09:28 |
| Riddell | famous last words... | 09:46 |
| Blizzz | oh, btw, did you hear The Hobbit animations were done on KDE? http://www.themukt.com/2014/10/07/kde-plasma-hobbit-movies/ | 10:03 |
| sgclark | yes, very cool! | 10:04 |
| Riddell | on kubuntu no less :) | 10:05 |
| Riddell | that deserves an article on wire.kubuntu.org | 10:08 |
| * Riddell looks around for willing volunteers | 10:08 | |
| * Riddell publishes http://wire.kubuntu.org/?p=186 | 10:30 | |
| apachelogger | Riddell: s/Hobitt/Hobbit | 10:33 |
| Riddell | well spotted | 10:37 |
| Riddell | "[ubuntu/utopic] kio 5.3.0-0ubuntu1 (Accepted)" hoorah! | 10:38 |
| BluesKaj | Hiyas all | 11:07 |
| sgclark | hiyas | 11:09 |
| sgclark | Riddell: I am quite confused, I build kopete and find that there is nothing in list missing and not-installed does not contain any sort of skype icons. I check the install directories and skype icons are there, so I install kopete and skype has icons.. What exactly am I doing here again? | 12:06 |
| Riddell | sgclark: ah so maybe there is no problem | 12:08 |
| Riddell | "Kopete 4.14: Missing icons & cryptography plugin" by Pali said In package kopete 4.14 from kubuntu-ppa/backports is again | 12:08 |
| Riddell | missing skype protocols icons and cryptography plugin. | 12:08 |
| Riddell | https://launchpadlibrarian.net/182618524/buildlog_ubuntu-trusty-amd64.kopete_4:4.14.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.04~ppa3_UPLOADING.txt.gz | 12:09 |
| Riddell | so maybe it's fixed in 4.14.1 | 12:09 |
| Riddell | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2014-September/008778.html | 12:09 |
| Riddell | also check Cryptography plugin files: | 12:09 |
| sgclark | ahh well, cryptography is correct, it is not enabled, will bring in kdepimlibs, want me to do that? | 12:09 |
| Riddell | yeah I think so | 12:10 |
| sgclark | xmms is also optioanl not enabled | 12:10 |
| Riddell | oh ignore that | 12:10 |
| sgclark | k | 12:10 |
| Riddell | xmms is very obsolete | 12:10 |
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| Riddell | hi ximion, you know about appstream for ubuntu? | 12:50 |
| ximion | Riddell: the tool generating your archive files (Soyuz?) would need to produce DEP-11 data | 12:52 |
| ximion | see https://wiki.debian.org/DEP-11#Example_of_Components.yml | 12:53 |
| ximion | but I need to update that page, it contains outdated information | 12:53 |
| ximion | what currently matters is the DEP-1 validator: https://github.com/ximion/appstream/blob/master/contrib/dep11/dep11-validate.py | 12:53 |
| ximion | there was a SoC project at Debian to implement DEP-11 in dak, unfortunately it's far from being merge-ready, and I am currently ficing it up | 12:54 |
| ximion | won't be ready for Jessie, unfortunately :-/ | 12:54 |
| Riddell | ximion: where does the data come from currently? I get output if I run appstream-index search umbrello | 12:55 |
| ximion | Riddell: libappstream is parsing the AppInstall data | 13:01 |
| ximion | it's very poor data, but better than having no data at all | 13:02 |
| ximion | (also, the whole point of libas is to abstract this stuff, so apps don't have to care about where data is coming from) | 13:02 |
| Riddell | ximion: ah it's using the files in app-install-data ? | 13:04 |
| Riddell | ximion: why do you say that's very poor? it's updated each cycle surely | 13:04 |
| ximion | if there are some, the yes | 13:04 |
| ximion | see https://github.com/ximion/appstream/blob/master/src/data-providers/ubuntu-appinstall.c | 13:05 |
| ximion | not super-advanced, but okay-ish | 13:05 |
| ximion | it won't find the icons that way though, these have to be in $prefix/app-info/icons/$origin/64x64 | 13:06 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: no kubotu? | 13:22 |
| apachelogger | mh | 13:22 |
| Riddell | plasma 5.1! http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/plasma-5.1.0/ | 13:24 |
| soee | oh no | 13:28 |
| soee | it needs packaging now right ? | 13:28 |
| Riddell | yep | 13:28 |
| sgclark | woot | 13:29 |
| soee | as always - i do nothing about packaging but im ready to test as soon as packages are done :) | 13:29 |
| soee | *know | 13:29 |
| shadeslayer | good thing we have CP | 13:30 |
| shadeslayer | and we know all of the shit builds | 13:31 |
| shadeslayer | ;) | 13:31 |
| soee | sgclark: i contacted my friend - designer and i try to convince him to help with teh promotional page i mentioned yesterday | 13:32 |
| sgclark | cool | 13:32 |
| shadeslayer | soee: might also be worth pointing him at the VDG ;) | 13:34 |
| shadeslayer | soee: https://vdesign.kde.org/ | 13:35 |
| soee | yeah :) | 13:36 |
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| sgclark | Help! missing symbols http://paste.ubuntu.com/8526984/ | 14:02 |
| * Riddell hears the missing symbols siren blasting away | 14:04 | |
| Riddell | sgclark: presumably this version has been compiled before? | 14:04 |
| sgclark | yeah it is kopete 4.14.1 | 14:04 |
| sgclark | seems missed, there was no lintian error, I just noticed sybols stuff go by on screen | 14:05 |
| sgclark | and it is on my study list, so I need to learn proper action here | 14:06 |
| sgclark | aside from screaming for help | 14:07 |
| Riddell | well it's the same source right? | 14:07 |
| Riddell | you've not added or removed any patches? | 14:08 |
| sgclark | negative | 14:08 |
| Riddell | so I expect it's just gcc changes | 14:08 |
| sgclark | I only added kleo support in control file | 14:08 |
| Riddell | it says "optional=gccinternal" which tells me it is only gcc foo and we don't need to worry | 14:08 |
| Riddell | although that's just an educated guess | 14:08 |
| sgclark | hmm I am not confident enough to make educated guesses, so lets say you all are asleep, what would be my next move? | 14:09 |
| Riddell | you'd look at the source code to see what had changed between this package and the previous package upload | 14:10 |
| Riddell | and in this case nothing has changed so I'd just remove them | 14:10 |
| sgclark | ok, and I do recall a gcc upgrade, so I will accept your educated guess, thanks | 14:11 |
| * Riddell turns off them missing symbols siren | 14:14 | |
| sgclark | lol | 14:14 |
| Riddell | http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/plasma-status/build_status_5.1.0_utopic.html ta da | 14:43 |
| * genii celebrates with a fresh coffee | 14:49 | |
| Riddell | sgclark: /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ | 14:49 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ | 14:49 |
| Riddell | sorry wrong tab | 14:49 |
| sgclark | whew | 14:49 |
| Riddell | set(SESSION_COMMAND "${DATA_INSTALL_DIR}/scripts/Xsession" CACHE PATH "Script to execute when starting the desktop session") | 14:50 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: wrong dir there ↑ | 14:50 |
| sgclark | Riddell: kopete pending in my ppa, you are hogging the que :) I have to leave for 1 hour, but will help with 5.1.0 when I get back | 14:51 |
| sgclark | kopete is also in bzr | 14:51 |
| Riddell | great | 14:51 |
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| Riddell | kfunk: ping | 15:15 |
| Riddell | kfunk: word on the streets is you have a fix for bug 1378771 | 15:15 |
| ubottu | bug 1378771 in Kubuntu PPA "no Xsession.d scripts run by sddm (e.g. gpg-agent) by default" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1378771 | 15:15 |
| Riddell | kfunk: how safe do you think it is to add to our packages? https://github.com/sddm/sddm/pull/276 | 15:16 |
| _Groo_ | Riddell: ping | 15:17 |
| _Groo_ | Riddell: i backported plasma-widget-networkmanagement, plasma-nm and libnetworkmanagerqt-dev from utopic | 15:18 |
| _Groo_ | Riddell: is it too late to review if for trusty? | 15:18 |
| Riddell | _Groo_: um, yes, trusty was released 6 months ago | 15:19 |
| Riddell | what are you wanting to achieve? | 15:19 |
| _Groo_ | Riddell: nothing, i did it for my personal use, since its done, i thought it might be useful for the general population | 15:20 |
| _Groo_ | Riddell: it fixes bugs and adds an improved interface for the connections | 15:21 |
| _Groo_ | Riddell: thats pretty much it, it only changes one lib and its pretty safe to upgrade | 15:21 |
| Riddell | _Groo_: thow it in your PPA I don't think we have the energy to test it for general use | 15:21 |
| _Groo_ | Riddell: okok | 15:21 |
| Riddell | sgclark: khtml needs to compile in the archive then kio-extras will compile and this nasty overlap problem will go away | 15:23 |
| jmux | Is there a tool in KDE 4 to generate / manage printer profiles? Seems the GUI for this CUPS feature was dropped in KDE4. | 15:32 |
| jmux | Actually the KDE4 printer dialog list the profiles as printers, if they exist, but I couldn't find a way to create them. | 15:34 |
| jmux | Otherwise we'll probably implement our own tool to manage printer, as a lot of people seem to use this feature, which I've never heard of before today. | 15:36 |
| Riddell | jmux: yeah print-manager does that | 15:38 |
| Riddell | it's a kcontrol4 module in system settings | 15:38 |
| Riddell | there's also some code to magically set up printers when you plug them in but that needs lots of gnome deps so we don't ship it | 15:39 |
| Riddell | dantti is the upstream if you need help | 15:39 |
| jmux | Riddell: Yeah - I know, but this just manages the printers. I failed to find a way to create a profile and so did the user. | 15:41 |
| jmux | So normally the users changes the settings for a print job and these are written to .cups/lpoptions as "Dest printerX collate=false ..." | 15:42 |
| Riddell | I don't think I know what a printer profile is in that case | 15:43 |
| jmux | Now the local cups options API has a profile feature, where you can save a set of settings as a printer profile | 15:43 |
| jmux | This generates a 2nd entry in the .cups/lpoptions file as "Dest printerX /Test collate=true ..." | 15:43 |
| jmux | And the printer dialog actually displays both. In KDE3 you could create a profile saving the current settings and this seems to be gone in KDE4. | 15:44 |
| jmux | I've never heard of this feature today, but I guess for many people here, which produce a lot of document with various settings, the feature was very convenient. | 15:47 |
| Riddell | hmm I guess it was part of kprinter stuff which disappeared from kde4 because nobody maintained it | 15:48 |
| Riddell | so yeah I guess you'll need to write some code | 15:49 |
| Riddell | but do try and do it upstream if you can, always pays off in the end | 15:49 |
| Riddell | yay khtml in | 15:55 |
| Riddell | hmm, what to do with 4.14.2 ? | 15:56 |
| Riddell | I think it's one for ppa and then updates | 15:56 |
| Riddell | kubotu: newversion kde4libs 4.14.2 | 15:56 |
| Riddell | kubotu: newversion digikam 4.4.0 | 15:57 |
| kubotu | https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1379409 | 15:57 |
| kubotu | https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1379410 | 15:57 |
| Riddell | kitterma: reallly -> really? http://skitterman.wordpress.com/2014/10/08/thanks-canonical-reallly/ | 15:59 |
| Riddell | sgclark: what text editor do you use that puts a blank space at the end of every line? make my emacs look all red | 16:02 |
| sgclark | Riddell: back sorry. that would be kate | 16:19 |
| Riddell | sgclark: groovy, I'm about to wander off, looks like plasma 5.1 is doing good just a few bits to tidy up | 16:21 |
| sgclark | ok, what is that about 4.14.2, is that one a script can run or just a few packages? | 16:21 |
| Riddell | yeah go for it | 16:22 |
| sgclark | ok | 16:22 |
| Riddell | kubuntu-initial-upload | 16:22 |
| sgclark | yep | 16:22 |
| sgclark | done it a few times :) ninjas? | 16:22 |
| Riddell | hopefully my changes for git in plasma/frameworks mean it'll still work with bzr for kde sc | 16:22 |
| Riddell | yep ninjas it is | 16:22 |
| sgclark | k | 16:22 |
| Riddell | ok I'm out, ping me on google hangouts of something if you need me | 16:22 |
| sgclark | ok, have a good day :) | 16:23 |
| Riddell | I've set kf5 retry script to run in 60 minutes and 120 minutes but you may need to get someone with archive privilages to poke the last few in http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html | 16:23 |
| sgclark | ok | 16:24 |
| soee | uh: dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/kio_5.3.0-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb (--unpack): | 16:27 |
| sgclark | pretty sure too much building right now to attempt any sort of upgrade | 16:27 |
| soee | trying to overwrite "/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/plugins/kcm_trash.so", that exists also in package kio-extras 4:5.0.95-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa6 | 16:27 |
| soee | ah ok :) | 16:28 |
| * sgclark sees no sign of 4.14.2 on the depot... | 16:34 | |
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| ScottK | Riddell: It's possible there were some sarcasm tags left out of the post. I figured they could be inferred. | 23:54 |
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