jussibah, riddell not here01:06
jussianyway, when he gets back, I need to inform him that yes, I am running i386 01:07
valoriejussi: interesting, so you encountered the identical problem in 386 that I had with 6404:00
soeegood morning06:19
apacheloggervalorie, sgclark: no one worked on neon since May06:35
apacheloggerand for neon that is a good thing because it means the way it is designed worked out perfectly06:35
valorieso why were we recommending people use it?06:36
valoriewhen problems were reported, the response was - not supported06:36
apacheloggerthere were no problems06:36
apacheloggereverything I got told was fallout from the design decisions06:37
apacheloggersuch as the conflict you have06:37
valorieI've purged it06:37
valorieanyway, nbd06:44
valorieit's ending anyway06:44
valorieI'd rather see work go into improving our processes for the future06:44
apacheloggersgclark: I think 1713db3e3fa554d479584975908e7f2b807a9ab6 in khelpcenter is another variant of the mildly wrong version bumps06:50
apachelogger-Breaks: khelpcenter-data (<< 4:5.0.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa2)06:50
apachelogger-Replaces: khelpcenter4, khelpcenter-data (<< 4:5.0.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa2)06:50
apachelogger+Breaks: khelpcenter-data (<< 4:5.2.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa2)06:50
apachelogger+Replaces: khelpcenter4, khelpcenter-data (<< 4:5.2.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa2)06:50
apacheloggergoing to fix that06:50
valorieRiddell: 07:52
valorie[18:06] <jussi> bah, riddell not here07:53
valorie[18:07] <jussi> anyway, when he gets back, I need to inform him that yes, I am running i386 07:53
Riddellwell at least that's consistent, i386 image did weird things for me07:57
Riddelland I have zero idea why :(07:57
soeeRiddell: there was a guy yesterday who said he backported nm or something for trusty, i said to catch you or other develoepr here today07:57
soeeso please try to answer him when he asked anything :)07:57
valoriejussi got the same problems I did, in 6407:58
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Riddellwell I'm making final 5.1 tars today for Plasma and we can but hope those solve some of the issues08:04
valorieI look forward to some progress08:04
Riddellhi sgclark!09:00
Riddellthanks for getting up at such an anti social hour09:00
Riddellwith any luck kio will finally get getting through into release https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kio/5.3.0-0ubuntu1/+build/644088609:01
sgclarkso no one is maintaining neon?09:02
RiddellI don't think so09:02
valoriesince may, apachelogger said09:02
RiddellI wonder if we should be updating any web pages that mention it09:02
valorieit isn't the future, so fine09:03
valoriebut we shouldn't be recommending it09:03
sgclarkahh valorie, yeah was going to point out your kio kio-extras breakage on it09:03
valorieand the chan topic should be changed09:03
apacheloggerI said no one worked on it since May09:03
valoriesorry, apachelogger, to have misquoted09:03
valoriean hour ago in #project-neon: "09:04
valorie[01:33] <mokush> any idea about the project-neon5-kio and project-neon5-kio-extras error in the latest packages?09:04
valorie[01:35] <mokush> I'm getting 'trying to overwrite '/opt/project-neon5/bin/ktrash5', which is also in package project-neon5-kio' from project-neon5-kio-extras09:04
apachelogger"Secondly you need to manually dpkg -i --force-overwrite the kio package due to a file transition that neon by design won't handle for you."09:07
lordievaderGood morning.09:07
valorieI will quote that in the channel when next it arises09:08
Riddellsgclark: did you get a chance to look at kopete skype foo?09:27
Riddellwe removed those icons historically due to trademark but we fixed it upstream (I think) and not they disappear when we merge with debian but they shouldn't09:27
sgclarkRiddell: woops got distracted studying, on it now09:27
Riddelloh don't let me distract you from studying!09:28
sgclarkhehe, it shouldn't take long to fix that09:28
Riddellfamous last words...09:46
Blizzzoh, btw, did you hear The Hobbit animations were done on KDE? http://www.themukt.com/2014/10/07/kde-plasma-hobbit-movies/ 10:03
sgclarkyes, very cool!10:04
Riddellon kubuntu no less :)10:05
Riddellthat deserves an article on wire.kubuntu.org10:08
* Riddell looks around for willing volunteers10:08
* Riddell publishes http://wire.kubuntu.org/?p=18610:30
apacheloggerRiddell: s/Hobitt/Hobbit10:33
Riddellwell spotted10:37
Riddell"[ubuntu/utopic] kio 5.3.0-0ubuntu1 (Accepted)" hoorah!10:38
BluesKajHiyas all11:07
sgclarkRiddell: I am quite confused, I build kopete and find that there is nothing in list missing and not-installed does not contain any sort of skype icons. I check the install directories and skype icons are there, so I install kopete and skype has icons.. What exactly am I doing here again?12:06
Riddellsgclark: ah so maybe there is no problem12:08
Riddell"Kopete 4.14: Missing icons & cryptography plugin" by Pali said In package kopete 4.14 from kubuntu-ppa/backports is again12:08
Riddellmissing skype protocols icons and cryptography plugin.12:08
Riddellso maybe it's fixed in 4.14.112:09
Riddellalso check Cryptography plugin files:12:09
sgclarkahh well, cryptography is correct, it is not enabled, will bring in kdepimlibs, want me to do that?12:09
Riddellyeah I think so12:10
sgclarkxmms is also optioanl not enabled12:10
Riddelloh ignore that12:10
Riddellxmms is very obsolete12:10
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Riddellhi ximion, you know about appstream for ubuntu?12:50
ximionRiddell: the tool generating your archive files (Soyuz?) would need to produce DEP-11 data12:52
ximionsee https://wiki.debian.org/DEP-11#Example_of_Components.yml12:53
ximionbut I need to update that page, it contains outdated information12:53
ximionwhat currently matters is the DEP-1 validator: https://github.com/ximion/appstream/blob/master/contrib/dep11/dep11-validate.py12:53
ximionthere was a SoC project at Debian to implement DEP-11 in dak, unfortunately it's far from being merge-ready, and I am currently ficing it up12:54
ximionwon't be ready for Jessie, unfortunately :-/12:54
Riddellximion: where does the data come from currently?  I get output if I run   appstream-index search umbrello12:55
ximionRiddell: libappstream is parsing the AppInstall data13:01
ximionit's very poor data, but better than having no data at all13:02
ximion(also, the whole point of libas is to abstract this stuff, so apps don't have to care about where data is coming from)13:02
Riddellximion: ah it's using the files in app-install-data ?13:04
Riddellximion: why do you say that's very poor?  it's updated each cycle surely13:04
ximionif there are some, the yes13:04
ximionsee https://github.com/ximion/appstream/blob/master/src/data-providers/ubuntu-appinstall.c13:05
ximionnot super-advanced, but okay-ish13:05
ximionit won't find the icons that way though, these have to be in $prefix/app-info/icons/$origin/64x6413:06
Riddellapachelogger: no kubotu?13:22
Riddellplasma 5.1! http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/plasma-5.1.0/13:24
soeeoh no13:28
soeeit needs packaging now right ?13:28
soeeas always - i do nothing about packaging but im ready to test as soon as packages are done :)13:29
shadeslayergood thing we have CP13:30
shadeslayerand we know all of the shit builds13:31
soeesgclark: i contacted my friend - designer and i try to convince him to help with teh promotional page i mentioned yesterday13:32
shadeslayersoee: might also be worth pointing him at the VDG ;)13:34
shadeslayersoee: https://vdesign.kde.org/13:35
soeeyeah :)13:36
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sgclarkHelp! missing symbols http://paste.ubuntu.com/8526984/14:02
* Riddell hears the missing symbols siren blasting away14:04
Riddellsgclark: presumably this version has been compiled before?14:04
sgclarkyeah it is kopete 4.14.114:04
sgclarkseems missed, there was no lintian error, I just noticed sybols stuff go by on screen14:05
sgclarkand it is on my study list, so I need to learn proper action here14:06
sgclarkaside from screaming for help14:07
Riddellwell it's the same source right?14:07
Riddellyou've not added or removed any patches?14:08
Riddellso I expect it's just gcc changes14:08
sgclarkI only added kleo support in control file14:08
Riddellit says "optional=gccinternal" which tells me it is only gcc foo and we don't need to worry14:08
Riddellalthough that's just an educated guess14:08
sgclarkhmm I am not confident enough to make educated guesses, so lets say you all are asleep, what would be my next move?14:09
Riddellyou'd look at the source code to see what had changed between this package and the previous package upload14:10
Riddelland in this case nothing has changed so I'd just remove them14:10
sgclarkok, and I do recall a gcc upgrade, so I will accept your educated guess, thanks14:11
* Riddell turns off them missing symbols siren14:14
Riddellhttp://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/plasma-status/build_status_5.1.0_utopic.html ta da14:43
* genii celebrates with a fresh coffee14:49
Riddellsgclark: /etc/X11/Xsession.d/14:49
Riddellshadeslayer: /etc/X11/Xsession.d/14:49
Riddellsorry wrong tab14:49
Riddellset(SESSION_COMMAND             "${DATA_INSTALL_DIR}/scripts/Xsession"              CACHE PATH      "Script to execute when starting the desktop session")14:50
Riddellshadeslayer: wrong dir there ↑14:50
sgclarkRiddell: kopete pending in my ppa, you are hogging the que :) I have to leave for 1 hour, but will help with 5.1.0 when I get back14:51
sgclarkkopete is also in bzr14:51
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Riddellkfunk: ping15:15
Riddellkfunk: word on the streets is you have a fix for bug 137877115:15
ubottubug 1378771 in Kubuntu PPA "no Xsession.d scripts run by sddm (e.g. gpg-agent) by default" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/137877115:15
Riddellkfunk: how safe do you think it is to add to our packages? https://github.com/sddm/sddm/pull/27615:16
_Groo_Riddell: ping15:17
_Groo_Riddell: i backported plasma-widget-networkmanagement, plasma-nm and libnetworkmanagerqt-dev from utopic15:18
_Groo_Riddell: is it too late to review if for trusty?15:18
Riddell_Groo_: um, yes, trusty was released 6 months ago15:19
Riddellwhat are you wanting to achieve?15:19
_Groo_Riddell: nothing, i did it for my personal use, since its done, i thought it might be useful for the general population15:20
_Groo_Riddell: it fixes bugs and adds an improved interface for the connections15:21
_Groo_Riddell: thats pretty much it, it only changes one lib and its pretty safe to upgrade15:21
Riddell_Groo_: thow it in your PPA I don't think we have the energy to test it for general use15:21
_Groo_Riddell: okok15:21
Riddellsgclark: khtml needs to compile in the archive then kio-extras will compile and this nasty overlap problem will go away15:23
jmuxIs there a tool in KDE 4 to generate / manage printer profiles? Seems the GUI for this CUPS feature was dropped in KDE4.15:32
jmuxActually the KDE4 printer dialog list the profiles as printers, if they exist, but I couldn't find a way to create them.15:34
jmuxOtherwise we'll probably implement our own tool to manage printer, as a lot of people seem to use this feature, which I've never heard of before today.15:36
Riddelljmux: yeah print-manager does that15:38
Riddellit's a kcontrol4 module in system settings15:38
Riddellthere's also some code to magically set up printers when you plug them in but that needs lots of gnome deps so we don't ship it15:39
Riddelldantti is the upstream if you need help15:39
jmuxRiddell: Yeah - I know, but this just manages the printers. I failed to find a way to create a profile and so did the user.15:41
jmuxSo normally the users changes the settings for a print job and these are written to .cups/lpoptions as "Dest printerX collate=false ..."15:42
RiddellI don't think I know what a printer profile is in that case15:43
jmuxNow the local cups options API has a profile feature, where you can save a set of settings as a printer profile15:43
jmuxThis generates a 2nd entry in the .cups/lpoptions file as "Dest printerX /Test collate=true ..."15:43
jmuxAnd the printer dialog actually displays both. In KDE3 you could create a profile saving the current settings and this seems to be gone in KDE4.15:44
jmuxI've never heard of this feature today, but I guess for many people here, which produce a lot of document with various settings, the feature was very convenient.15:47
Riddellhmm I guess it was part of kprinter stuff which disappeared from kde4 because nobody maintained it15:48
Riddellso yeah I guess you'll need to write some code15:49
Riddellbut do try and do it upstream if you can, always pays off in the end15:49
Riddellyay khtml in15:55
Riddellhmm, what to do with 4.14.2 ?15:56
RiddellI think it's one for ppa and then updates15:56
Riddellkubotu: newversion kde4libs 4.14.215:56
Riddellkubotu: newversion digikam 4.4.015:57
Riddellkitterma: reallly -> really? http://skitterman.wordpress.com/2014/10/08/thanks-canonical-reallly/15:59
Riddellsgclark: what text editor do you use that puts a blank space at the end of every line?  make my emacs look all red16:02
sgclarkRiddell: back sorry. that would be kate16:19
Riddellsgclark: groovy, I'm about to wander off, looks like plasma 5.1 is doing good just a few bits to tidy up16:21
sgclarkok, what is that about 4.14.2, is that one a script can run or just a few packages?16:21
Riddellyeah go for it16:22
sgclarkdone it a few times :) ninjas?16:22
Riddellhopefully my changes for git in plasma/frameworks mean it'll still work with bzr for kde sc16:22
Riddellyep ninjas it is16:22
Riddellok I'm out, ping me on google hangouts of something if you need me16:22
sgclarkok, have a good day :)16:23
RiddellI've set kf5 retry script to run in 60 minutes and 120 minutes but you may need to get someone with archive privilages to poke the last few in http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html16:23
soeeuh: dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/kio_5.3.0-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb (--unpack):16:27
sgclarkpretty sure too much building right now to attempt any sort of upgrade16:27
soeetrying to overwrite  "/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/plugins/kcm_trash.so", that exists also in package kio-extras 4:5.0.95-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa616:27
soeeah ok :)16:28
* sgclark sees no sign of 4.14.2 on the depot...16:34
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ScottKRiddell: It's possible there were some sarcasm tags left out of the post.  I figured they could be inferred.23:54

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