[01:06] bah, riddell not here [01:07] anyway, when he gets back, I need to inform him that yes, I am running i386 [04:00] jussi: interesting, so you encountered the identical problem in 386 that I had with 64 [06:19] good morning [06:35] valorie, sgclark: no one worked on neon since May [06:35] and for neon that is a good thing because it means the way it is designed worked out perfectly [06:36] so why were we recommending people use it? [06:36] when problems were reported, the response was - not supported [06:36] there were no problems [06:37] everything I got told was fallout from the design decisions [06:37] such as the conflict you have [06:37] had [06:37] I've purged it [06:44] anyway, nbd [06:44] it's ending anyway [06:44] I'd rather see work go into improving our processes for the future [06:50] sgclark: I think 1713db3e3fa554d479584975908e7f2b807a9ab6 in khelpcenter is another variant of the mildly wrong version bumps [06:50] -Breaks: khelpcenter-data (<< 4:5.0.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa2) [06:50] -Replaces: khelpcenter4, khelpcenter-data (<< 4:5.0.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa2) [06:50] +Breaks: khelpcenter-data (<< 4:5.2.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa2) [06:50] +Replaces: khelpcenter4, khelpcenter-data (<< 4:5.2.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa2) [06:50] going to fix that [07:52] hola [07:52] hola [07:52] Riddell: [07:53] [18:06] bah, riddell not here [07:53] [18:07] anyway, when he gets back, I need to inform him that yes, I am running i386 [07:57] well at least that's consistent, i386 image did weird things for me [07:57] and I have zero idea why :( [07:57] Riddell: there was a guy yesterday who said he backported nm or something for trusty, i said to catch you or other develoepr here today [07:57] so please try to answer him when he asked anything :) [07:58] *ask [07:58] jussi got the same problems I did, in 64 === vinay is now known as Guest83526 [08:04] well I'm making final 5.1 tars today for Plasma and we can but hope those solve some of the issues [08:04] excellent [08:04] I look forward to some progress [08:54] morning [09:00] hi sgclark! [09:00] thanks for getting up at such an anti social hour [09:00] :) [09:01] with any luck kio will finally get getting through into release https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kio/5.3.0-0ubuntu1/+build/6440886 [09:01] yay [09:02] so no one is maintaining neon? [09:02] I don't think so [09:02] since may, apachelogger said [09:02] I wonder if we should be updating any web pages that mention it [09:03] it isn't the future, so fine [09:03] but we shouldn't be recommending it [09:03] ahh valorie, yeah was going to point out your kio kio-extras breakage on it [09:03] no [09:03] and the chan topic should be changed [09:03] I said no one worked on it since May [09:03] sorry, apachelogger, to have misquoted [09:04] an hour ago in #project-neon: " [09:04] [01:33] any idea about the project-neon5-kio and project-neon5-kio-extras error in the latest packages? [09:04] [01:35] I'm getting 'trying to overwrite '/opt/project-neon5/bin/ktrash5', which is also in package project-neon5-kio' from project-neon5-kio-extras [09:07] "Secondly you need to manually dpkg -i --force-overwrite the kio package due to a file transition that neon by design won't handle for you." [09:07] Good morning. [09:08] morning [09:08] I will quote that in the channel when next it arises [09:27] sgclark: did you get a chance to look at kopete skype foo? [09:27] we removed those icons historically due to trademark but we fixed it upstream (I think) and not they disappear when we merge with debian but they shouldn't [09:27] Riddell: woops got distracted studying, on it now [09:28] oh don't let me distract you from studying! [09:28] hehe, it shouldn't take long to fix that [09:46] famous last words... [10:03] oh, btw, did you hear The Hobbit animations were done on KDE? http://www.themukt.com/2014/10/07/kde-plasma-hobbit-movies/ [10:04] yes, very cool! [10:05] on kubuntu no less :) [10:08] that deserves an article on wire.kubuntu.org [10:08] * Riddell looks around for willing volunteers [10:30] * Riddell publishes http://wire.kubuntu.org/?p=186 [10:33] Riddell: s/Hobitt/Hobbit [10:37] well spotted [10:38] "[ubuntu/utopic] kio 5.3.0-0ubuntu1 (Accepted)" hoorah! [11:07] Hiyas all [11:09] hiyas [12:06] Riddell: I am quite confused, I build kopete and find that there is nothing in list missing and not-installed does not contain any sort of skype icons. I check the install directories and skype icons are there, so I install kopete and skype has icons.. What exactly am I doing here again? [12:08] sgclark: ah so maybe there is no problem [12:08] "Kopete 4.14: Missing icons & cryptography plugin" by Pali said In package kopete 4.14 from kubuntu-ppa/backports is again [12:08] missing skype protocols icons and cryptography plugin. [12:09] https://launchpadlibrarian.net/182618524/buildlog_ubuntu-trusty-amd64.kopete_4:4.14.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.04~ppa3_UPLOADING.txt.gz [12:09] so maybe it's fixed in 4.14.1 [12:09] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2014-September/008778.html [12:09] also check Cryptography plugin files: [12:09] ahh well, cryptography is correct, it is not enabled, will bring in kdepimlibs, want me to do that? [12:10] yeah I think so [12:10] xmms is also optioanl not enabled [12:10] oh ignore that [12:10] k [12:10] xmms is very obsolete === rdieter is now known as rdieter_ [12:50] hi ximion, you know about appstream for ubuntu? [12:52] Riddell: the tool generating your archive files (Soyuz?) would need to produce DEP-11 data [12:53] see https://wiki.debian.org/DEP-11#Example_of_Components.yml [12:53] but I need to update that page, it contains outdated information [12:53] what currently matters is the DEP-1 validator: https://github.com/ximion/appstream/blob/master/contrib/dep11/dep11-validate.py [12:54] there was a SoC project at Debian to implement DEP-11 in dak, unfortunately it's far from being merge-ready, and I am currently ficing it up [12:54] won't be ready for Jessie, unfortunately :-/ [12:55] ximion: where does the data come from currently? I get output if I run appstream-index search umbrello [13:01] Riddell: libappstream is parsing the AppInstall data [13:02] it's very poor data, but better than having no data at all [13:02] (also, the whole point of libas is to abstract this stuff, so apps don't have to care about where data is coming from) [13:04] ximion: ah it's using the files in app-install-data ? [13:04] ximion: why do you say that's very poor? it's updated each cycle surely [13:04] if there are some, the yes [13:05] see https://github.com/ximion/appstream/blob/master/src/data-providers/ubuntu-appinstall.c [13:05] not super-advanced, but okay-ish [13:06] it won't find the icons that way though, these have to be in $prefix/app-info/icons/$origin/64x64 [13:22] apachelogger: no kubotu? [13:22] mh [13:24] plasma 5.1! http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/plasma-5.1.0/ [13:28] oh no [13:28] it needs packaging now right ? [13:28] yep [13:29] woot [13:29] as always - i do nothing about packaging but im ready to test as soon as packages are done :) [13:29] *know [13:30] good thing we have CP [13:31] and we know all of the shit builds [13:31] ;) [13:32] sgclark: i contacted my friend - designer and i try to convince him to help with teh promotional page i mentioned yesterday [13:32] cool [13:34] soee: might also be worth pointing him at the VDG ;) [13:35] soee: https://vdesign.kde.org/ [13:36] yeah :) === rdieter_work is now known as rdieter [14:02] Help! missing symbols http://paste.ubuntu.com/8526984/ [14:04] * Riddell hears the missing symbols siren blasting away [14:04] sgclark: presumably this version has been compiled before? [14:04] yeah it is kopete 4.14.1 [14:05] seems missed, there was no lintian error, I just noticed sybols stuff go by on screen [14:06] and it is on my study list, so I need to learn proper action here [14:07] aside from screaming for help [14:07] well it's the same source right? [14:08] you've not added or removed any patches? [14:08] negative [14:08] so I expect it's just gcc changes [14:08] I only added kleo support in control file [14:08] it says "optional=gccinternal" which tells me it is only gcc foo and we don't need to worry [14:08] although that's just an educated guess [14:09] hmm I am not confident enough to make educated guesses, so lets say you all are asleep, what would be my next move? [14:10] you'd look at the source code to see what had changed between this package and the previous package upload [14:10] and in this case nothing has changed so I'd just remove them [14:11] ok, and I do recall a gcc upgrade, so I will accept your educated guess, thanks [14:14] * Riddell turns off them missing symbols siren [14:14] lol [14:43] http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/plasma-status/build_status_5.1.0_utopic.html ta da [14:49] * genii celebrates with a fresh coffee [14:49] sgclark: /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ [14:49] shadeslayer: /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ [14:49] sorry wrong tab [14:49] whew [14:50] set(SESSION_COMMAND "${DATA_INSTALL_DIR}/scripts/Xsession" CACHE PATH "Script to execute when starting the desktop session") [14:50] shadeslayer: wrong dir there ↑ [14:51] Riddell: kopete pending in my ppa, you are hogging the que :) I have to leave for 1 hour, but will help with 5.1.0 when I get back [14:51] kopete is also in bzr [14:51] great === kbroulik is now known as kbroulik-afk [15:15] kfunk: ping [15:15] kfunk: word on the streets is you have a fix for bug 1378771 [15:15] bug 1378771 in Kubuntu PPA "no Xsession.d scripts run by sddm (e.g. gpg-agent) by default" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1378771 [15:16] kfunk: how safe do you think it is to add to our packages? https://github.com/sddm/sddm/pull/276 [15:17] <_Groo_> Riddell: ping [15:18] <_Groo_> Riddell: i backported plasma-widget-networkmanagement, plasma-nm and libnetworkmanagerqt-dev from utopic [15:18] <_Groo_> Riddell: is it too late to review if for trusty? [15:19] _Groo_: um, yes, trusty was released 6 months ago [15:19] what are you wanting to achieve? [15:20] <_Groo_> Riddell: nothing, i did it for my personal use, since its done, i thought it might be useful for the general population [15:21] <_Groo_> Riddell: it fixes bugs and adds an improved interface for the connections [15:21] <_Groo_> Riddell: thats pretty much it, it only changes one lib and its pretty safe to upgrade [15:21] _Groo_: thow it in your PPA I don't think we have the energy to test it for general use [15:21] <_Groo_> Riddell: okok [15:23] sgclark: khtml needs to compile in the archive then kio-extras will compile and this nasty overlap problem will go away [15:32] Is there a tool in KDE 4 to generate / manage printer profiles? Seems the GUI for this CUPS feature was dropped in KDE4. [15:34] Actually the KDE4 printer dialog list the profiles as printers, if they exist, but I couldn't find a way to create them. [15:36] Otherwise we'll probably implement our own tool to manage printer, as a lot of people seem to use this feature, which I've never heard of before today. [15:38] jmux: yeah print-manager does that [15:38] it's a kcontrol4 module in system settings [15:39] there's also some code to magically set up printers when you plug them in but that needs lots of gnome deps so we don't ship it [15:39] dantti is the upstream if you need help [15:41] Riddell: Yeah - I know, but this just manages the printers. I failed to find a way to create a profile and so did the user. [15:42] So normally the users changes the settings for a print job and these are written to .cups/lpoptions as "Dest printerX collate=false ..." [15:43] I don't think I know what a printer profile is in that case [15:43] Now the local cups options API has a profile feature, where you can save a set of settings as a printer profile [15:43] This generates a 2nd entry in the .cups/lpoptions file as "Dest printerX /Test collate=true ..." [15:44] And the printer dialog actually displays both. In KDE3 you could create a profile saving the current settings and this seems to be gone in KDE4. [15:47] I've never heard of this feature today, but I guess for many people here, which produce a lot of document with various settings, the feature was very convenient. [15:48] hmm I guess it was part of kprinter stuff which disappeared from kde4 because nobody maintained it [15:49] so yeah I guess you'll need to write some code [15:49] but do try and do it upstream if you can, always pays off in the end [15:55] yay khtml in [15:56] hmm, what to do with 4.14.2 ? [15:56] I think it's one for ppa and then updates [15:56] kubotu: newversion kde4libs 4.14.2 [15:57] kubotu: newversion digikam 4.4.0 [15:57] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1379409 [15:57] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1379410 [15:59] kitterma: reallly -> really? http://skitterman.wordpress.com/2014/10/08/thanks-canonical-reallly/ [16:02] sgclark: what text editor do you use that puts a blank space at the end of every line? make my emacs look all red [16:19] Riddell: back sorry. that would be kate [16:21] sgclark: groovy, I'm about to wander off, looks like plasma 5.1 is doing good just a few bits to tidy up [16:21] ok, what is that about 4.14.2, is that one a script can run or just a few packages? [16:22] yeah go for it [16:22] ok [16:22] kubuntu-initial-upload [16:22] yep [16:22] done it a few times :) ninjas? [16:22] hopefully my changes for git in plasma/frameworks mean it'll still work with bzr for kde sc [16:22] yep ninjas it is [16:22] k [16:22] ok I'm out, ping me on google hangouts of something if you need me [16:23] ok, have a good day :) [16:23] I've set kf5 retry script to run in 60 minutes and 120 minutes but you may need to get someone with archive privilages to poke the last few in http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html [16:24] ok [16:27] uh: dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/kio_5.3.0-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb (--unpack): [16:27] pretty sure too much building right now to attempt any sort of upgrade [16:27] trying to overwrite "/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/plugins/kcm_trash.so", that exists also in package kio-extras 4:5.0.95-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa6 [16:28] ah ok :) [16:34] * sgclark sees no sign of 4.14.2 on the depot... === kbroulik-afk is now known as kbroulik === rdieter is now known as rdieter_work === rdieter_ is now known as rdieter === kitterma is now known as ScottK [23:54] Riddell: It's possible there were some sarcasm tags left out of the post. I figured they could be inferred.