[00:39] <bluesabre> Unit193: -docs ready for translations upload?
[00:39]  * Unit193 shrugs.
[00:41] <bluesabre> sounds good to me
[00:41] <bluesabre> :P
[00:41] <Unit193> Well, half of the es.po problem is fixed, but you won't pick up any new translations based on the logic used, see my last paste.
[00:43] <bluesabre> ah, I see
[00:43] <bluesabre> no biggie
[00:43] <Unit193> So, is there a point?
[00:43] <bluesabre> there's not
[00:44]  * bluesabre is upload free
[00:48] <Unit193> I could fix that.
[00:48] <bluesabre> No doubt.
[00:48] <bluesabre> :D
[00:49] <bluesabre> anything you want me to land in the packageset?
[00:51] <Unit193> Any more external, but related plugins/programs?  thunar-vcs-plugin, thunar-dropbox-plugin, etc?
[00:52] <bluesabre> would be good to add
[00:52] <Unit193> Also we could drop the translated percent to 70. :D
[00:52] <bluesabre> going to apply for motu at the beginning of 14.10
[00:53] <Unit193> 15.04?
[00:53] <Unit193> And, great!
[00:53] <bluesabre> 15.04, yeah, that one
[00:53] <bluesabre> :D
[00:57] <Unit193> Means I get to bug you for even more uploads... :D
[00:58] <bluesabre> yup
[00:58] <bluesabre> fun times ahead ;)
[00:59] <Unit193> Anywho, better run before I get clobbered in the head too.
[01:04] <bluesabre> :)
[01:05]  * bluesabre relaxes for another evening
[04:48] <pleia2> updated docs.xubuntu.org
[04:48] <elfy> thanks pleia2 
[04:49] <Unit193> o = online docs?
[04:49] <pleia2> something like that
[04:49]  * pleia2 looks at her watch
[04:49] <pleia2> elfy: good... morning?
[04:49] <pleia2> I don't even think it's a real time there
[04:49] <elfy> well it's morning ... ;)
[04:50] <elfy> I'll be tired tonight I think
[04:51] <pleia2> if you make it to the night
[04:51] <pleia2> hehe
[04:53] <elfy> :)
[06:36] <Unit193> I'll presume we have zero interest in either of the ones http://keithhedger.hostingsiteforfree.com/pages/apps.html#xfcecomp and little to no for https://github.com/cedl38/xfce4-windowck-plugin?
[06:45] <knome> hmf, i guess some of our users would be interested in the latter, but getting that to work within the "xubuntu experience" we'd need to do a modified version of greybird too, and.. meh
[06:48] <knome> and i guess some are interested about the first, but i don't think that's the customisability we want to encourage...
[09:10] <slickymasterWork> Unit193, not sure if we ought drop the translated percent to 70
[09:11] <slickymasterWork> that would make almost a third of the docs untranslated, but publishable :P 
[09:11] <slickymasterWork> which, honestly, seems a lot to me
[09:14] <dkessel> drop it to 50% then, then we have a german translation too :p
[09:14] <dkessel> no honestly... i don't think 70% is fun to read for someone who isn't very good at interpreting the mixed-in english parts
[09:15] <slickymasterWork> dkessel, you know that you're sort of obliged to have them entirely translated before 15.04, don't you? ;P
[09:16]  * slickymasterWork hopes that dkessel won't have any doubts about that
[09:17] <dkessel> slickymasterWork: of course... ;) i hope there aren't many changes until then... i don't want to restart at 25% or so... :/
[09:17] <slickymasterWork> lol, I was half-joking dkessel
[09:18] <slickymasterWork> but no, I don't see that there will be any major changes, besides the NetworkManager, when it finally drops
[09:19] <slickymasterWork> the new one that is
[09:19] <dkessel> slickymasterWork: ;) we'll see...
[09:20] <slickymasterWork> yeaps
[09:20] <dkessel> honestly, i would love to see the website translatable, too
[09:20] <Noskcaj> dkessel, That's an old bug, still a long way off fixed
[09:20] <slickymasterWork> nag knome about it ;)
[09:22] <slickymasterWork> hey Noskcaj o/
[09:24] <dkessel> good morning, btw
[10:27] <ochosi> bluesabre: realised today that i'm still using the nouveau driver in 14.10 and that is known to be racy with the way the greeter paints the background. hopefully that'll really be fixed with andrew's changes
[10:39] <bluesabre> ugh
[10:39] <bluesabre> can anybody else confirm with the latest indicator-sound...
[10:40] <bluesabre> "Volume" notification at startup, and when scrolling the indicator?
[10:40] <bluesabre> update and restart and you'll know what I mean
[10:40] <bluesabre> brb
[10:47] <dkessel> bluesabre: i noticed the volume notification at startup, too. got a bug number?
[10:50] <bluesabre> not yet
[10:50] <bluesabre> going to see if its already filed and file one
[10:55] <bluesabre> ochosi: https://launchpad.net/~lightdm-gtk-greeter-team/+archive/ubuntu/daily
[10:56] <bluesabre> since we merged the single-window branch
[11:03] <bluesabre> ochosi, elfy: bug 1379287
[11:32] <slickymasterWork> bluesabre, Bug #1379287 confirmed
[11:33] <bluesabre> good, not crazy
[11:33] <bluesabre> :)
[11:33] <slickymasterWork> :)
[11:37] <brainwash> bluesabre: how long should we wait until pinging the sru team?
[11:37] <brainwash> bug 1365965
[11:38] <bluesabre> brainwash: I'll start pinging tonight
[11:38] <bluesabre> I have a few packages that are waiting to be accepted into trusty-proposed
[11:39] <brainwash> ok then
[11:39] <bluesabre> thanks for the reminder :)
[11:42] <brainwash> bluesabre: no progress with bug 1320560, do we wait for someone to test the packages?
[11:42] <bluesabre> I need to expand the patches to support gdmflexiserver and dm-tool
[11:42] <brainwash> utopic release is soon
[11:42] <bluesabre> I know
[11:42] <brainwash> I see, good to know :)
[11:43] <bluesabre> going to work on a resolution this weekend
[11:43] <bluesabre> need to go get ready for work now
[11:43] <bluesabre> bbl
[11:45] <slickymasterWork> hf bluesabre 
[11:48] <vertz> indicator-sound broke! two notifications
[12:00] <ochosi> oh lordy, so indicator-sound's update really did break something (i guess anything else would've been a surprise)
[12:03] <bluesabre> I was just joking when I mentioned that initially :(
[12:04] <ochosi> yeah, well, i was only half-joking
[12:04] <ochosi> bluesabre: i've started pinging around in u-desktop already
[12:05] <bluesabre> ochosi: thanks
[12:05] <ochosi> elfy: i already pinged xnox again but wasn't around at the same time as him seemingly, so no reply yet
[12:06] <bluesabre> joined -desktop
[12:06] <bluesabre> now heading to work
[12:06] <bluesabre> bbl
[12:07] <ochosi> yup, have a good day!
[14:32] <knome> dkessel, slickymasterWork: bug 797600
[14:32] <knome> especially comment #9
[14:33] <slickymasterWork> yeah knome, I completely forgot about that one :P
[14:34] <knome> and i've also proposed other ideas (like having a simple landing page and doing translations for that...)
[14:34] <knome> which would probably, in the long run, be much more maintainable
[14:34] <slickymasterWork> I remember the discussion about that landing page
[14:35] <slickymasterWork> and yes, I agree with it being much more maintainable 
[14:35] <knome> other weren't so exctied about that, so...
[14:35]  * knome shrugs
[14:35] <knome> maybe if i take the website lead hat (back) from the reluctantish lyz...
[14:35] <knome> :P
[14:36] <slickymasterWork> besides if finding that WP plugin reveals to be impossible, and writing one difficult, to say the leas, the landing page is the perfect solution
[14:37] <slickymasterWork> s/leas/çeat
[14:37]  * slickymasterWork sigh
[14:37] <knome> the situation is that i have been writing one
[14:37] <slickymasterWork> least
[14:37] <knome> but since i want to do it *right*, and since it's definitely not the easiest things to do...
[14:37] <slickymasterWork> when I say difficult, I mean time consuming knome 
[14:37] <knome> well it's also difficult in parts :P
[14:37] <slickymasterWork> exactly 
[14:38] <knome> and the landing page idea could be put into practice almost now
[14:38] <knome> the only thing to decide/work out is how we would technically maintain the translations
[14:38] <knome> the ideal situation would be to create a .pot that could be translatable in launchpad, and in some way automatically/from the wordpress GUI updates
[14:39] <knome> updated*
[14:39] <knome> but don't know how willing the IS is for something like that
[14:39] <slickymasterWork> pleia2 would be the perfect person to approach them on that, I'd assume
[14:40] <knome> i'm just as perfect
[14:40] <knome> even better - i understand the technical side
[14:40] <knome> :P
[14:40] <knome> i'm not saying she doesn't... but it's more of my expertise anyway
[14:40] <slickymasterWork> I was thinking on the number of persons she probably already know
[14:40] <knome> but also, with that experience, i'm kind of sure they won't want to do that
[14:41] <knome> i know those people too, and i'm sure they know me as well as the one who complains about X, Y and Z :D
[14:41] <knome> (and lyz as the person who complains about A, B and C)
[14:41] <slickymasterWork> lol, what about a joint-venture of complainers ;)
[14:41] <knome> and generally i don't want to mess her into the issue if it's not required; less work for her is better
[14:42] <knome> and since i would be the one working on the technical side anyway...
[14:42] <slickymasterWork> yeah, you're right
[14:42] <knome> one possibility would be to store the .po files on the canonical server where lyz has access
[14:43] <knome> but i'm not sure if they want to do that either
[14:43] <slickymasterWork> and then what? update manually WP?
[14:43] <knome> the best option from the IS POV, as i see it, is that we handle updating them manually
[14:43] <knome> we could write a plugin that fetches a .po file if it's available
[14:43] <slickymasterWork> hm hm
[14:43] <knome> but there would still be a problem...
[14:43] <knome> how to create the .pot file
[14:44] <knome> that already sounds like non-trivial
[14:44] <knome> well, there are libraries for that, but...
[14:44] <knome> it's all a bit wonky
[14:44] <knome> they don't want more code
[14:44] <knome> we don't want more maintaining
[14:44] <knome> and even if we got more code in, we'd have to maintain it
[14:45] <elfy> hi peeps
[14:45] <knome> so really, a plugin for translations inside WP would be the perfect solution for both parties
[14:45] <knome> but as noted, that's not trivial either
[14:45] <knome> and it's not an instant gratification route ;)
[14:45] <slickymasterWork> so either way, we're facing a sort of a herculean task :p 
[14:45] <knome> hey elfy 
[14:45] <knome> yep.
[14:45] <slickymasterWork> hey elfy 
[14:45] <knome> and it's probably me who takes it :P
[14:45] <knome> so the question is
[14:45] <knome> do we want something that's mostly only useful for us
[14:45] <knome> or something that can be useful for others
[14:46] <knome> including me for my commercial work
[14:46] <knome> guess which one i'll pick :P
[14:46] <slickymasterWork> :)
[14:48] <elfy> yay for sound indicator - I knew it wouldn't let us down :p
[14:48] <knome> yeah...
[14:48] <knome> too bad they let changes in this late
[14:48] <knome> always sucks
[14:50] <elfy> yep
[14:59] <elfy> mmm
[15:00] <elfy> so just updated - indicator-messages was included - double vol icon now gone here
[15:01] <elfy> bluesabre ochosi ^^
[16:35] <ochosi> elfy: sound indicator is already fixed in trunk
[16:47] <ochosi> i've tried to reach xnox without success though
[16:47] <elfy> ochosi: already fixed here without a sound indicator update
[16:47] <ochosi> weird, not fixed here
[16:47] <ochosi> are we talking about the same issue though?
[16:48] <elfy> yep - saw the xnox comment earlier
[16:48] <ochosi> when using the mouse-wheel over the sound-indicator, two bubbles appear
[16:48] <elfy> yea - two vol icons 
[16:48] <ochosi> no, notifications
[16:48] <ochosi> not icons
[16:48] <elfy> oh = hang on this is odd then
[16:48] <ochosi> yeah, i think you're talking about a different issue
[16:48] <elfy> so with vol keys - had the same thing 
[16:48] <elfy> no I'm not :)
[16:49] <elfy> that's fixed after indi-messages update - still got the mouse led issue though
[16:49] <elfy> and I meant notifications 
[16:51] <ochosi> odd
[16:52] <ochosi> well, lucky you i guess
[16:52] <ochosi> but the offending commit hasn't been removed and uploaded afaik
[16:52] <elfy> not seen that arrive here yet
[17:23] <knome> ochosi, pi-ping, we were wondering if you'd join us for a game of hanabi today ;)
[17:24] <knome> (since you didn't react to the -ot ping)
[18:44] <Unit193> bluesabre: es jumped to 90%.
[18:45] <Unit193> There's still a slight problem with it, but still.
[18:45] <knome> oi.
[18:45] <knome> Unit193, how do we fix the other part?
[18:49] <Unit193> #xubuntu-devel.2014-09-30.log.gz:15:25:15 <Unit193> line 973 in es.po: https://translations.launchpad.net/xubuntu-docs/utopic/+pots/desktop-guide/es/+translate?batch=10&show=all&search=Temas+GTK
[18:49] <knome> oh, broken tags
[18:50] <Unit193> Heh, translating things they shouldn't, no big worry.
[18:50] <knome> am i a contributor to the spanish translation already?
[18:50] <Unit193> Of course, likely.
[18:50] <Unit193> Yep.
[18:50] <knome> so what's wrong in that
[18:50] <knome> other than the tags
[18:50] <knome> oh
[18:50] <knome> placeholders
[18:51] <Unit193> And a few things, yeah.
[18:52] <knome> ok, that should be correct now
[18:52] <knome> tags being correct (no spaces) and placeholder tags as should
[19:06] <Unit193> I can do a testbuild when you push it, or however lp works.
[19:15] <Unit193> dkessel: Also, not sure if it helps you but I've got a daily build, it shows revno too.
[20:08] <elfy> ochosi bluesabre - that pending update to ind-sound fixed it here
[20:39] <Unit193> ochosi: Not sure if you want these for -extras: https://launchpad.net/~unit193/+archive/ubuntu/xfce/+packages?field.name_filter=hamster&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=
[23:12] <bluesabre> Unit193: freeze declared yet?
[23:13] <Unit193> -release doesn't mention it. :P
[23:13] <bluesabre> nice
[23:32] <bluesabre> Unit193: poke
[23:33] <Unit193> knome's fault.
[23:33] <bluesabre> :D
[23:33] <bluesabre> anything I should know about the -docs pkg?
[23:33] <Unit193> lint it, think a line was too long?
[23:36] <bluesabre> is there a build script that discards the translations?
[23:36] <bluesabre> or how does that work?
[23:37] <Unit193> po/LINGUAS has the ones that will be built, the build process updates that.
[23:38] <bluesabre> ok cool
[23:38] <Unit193> However, translators.sh doesn't work in chroot right now. :/
[23:44] <Unit193> If you can find the fix, that'd be great. :P
[23:46] <bluesabre> Nah, going to land the package before freeze instead ;)
[23:47] <bluesabre> xubuntu-docs (14.10.1) utopic; urgency=medium
[23:47] <bluesabre>   * Translation updates.
[23:47] <bluesabre>     - Include Spanish (es).
[23:47] <bluesabre>     - Updates for Finnish (fi) and Russian (ru).
[23:47] <Unit193> Russian?
[23:48] <bluesabre> so it seems
[23:48] <bluesabre> debdiff http://paste.ubuntu.com/8529853/
[23:49] <Unit193> +es  yep only new one is es, ru isn't shipped.
[23:49] <Unit193> Any build errors?
[23:51] <bluesabre> building now
[23:54] <bluesabre> built fine
[23:54] <bluesabre> yup, ru not included
[23:57] <bluesabre> ok, ready to upload
[23:57] <Unit193> Credits still missing?
[23:57] <bluesabre> where would they be?
[23:59] <Unit193> Something like /es/ln-idp35527212.html
[23:59] <bluesabre> https://imgur.com/lc86OZ8