[00:00] <nomic> thought was somewhere else
[04:47] <xubuntu67o> from the website \o/
[04:47] <pleia2> that works :)
[05:04] <lionroars> does xubuntu support 3d haswell graphics?
[06:12] <cyborgcygnus> Ello. I forget how you share files over a network on xubuntu. I'm trying to share between to linux pc's, one xubuntu & the other linux mint xfce
[08:14] <borw3> Guys, in my laptop whenever I suspend and close the lid and open it some time later xubuntu refuses to display anything after the password input.
[09:33] <mall> Xhello!
[09:33] <mall>  I can't change screen brigthness on an asus eeepc 1001xpd! latest xubuntu. Any ideas?
[10:09] <mad_> Please verify or reject the following: Xubuntu 14.04 has 3-year support for all packages from the xubuntu repositories. But it also uses the standard ubuntu repositories and after three years, I will keep getting updates for kernel and most system-relevant packages for another 2 years. Correct?
[10:35] <mad_> Please verify or reject the following: Xubuntu 14.04 has 3-year support for all packages from the xubuntu repositories. But it also uses the standard ubuntu repositories and after three years, I will keep getting updates for kernel and most system-relevant packages for another 2 years. Correct?
[10:37] <|zer0|> just trying to update system and got error that /boot is full.  I have tried 'sudo apt-get autoremove && sudo apt-get clean' with no luck
[10:39] <mad_> First make sure /boot is mounted. A simple 'sudo mount /boot' should work. Then try 'df -h /boot' and tell us how big your boot partition is and how much data is on there.
[10:40] <|zer0|> says /boot is already mounted.
[10:41] <mad_> That is okay.
[10:41] <mad_> Now tell us what df says
[10:42] <|zer0|> size 236mb, used = 162mb, avail = 62mb
[10:42] <|zer0|> update is 83mb
[10:43] <mad_> Must admit that I am not running *buntu myself right now. But usually a kernel with some iniramfs etc. should be 10mb, maybe 20mb max. With 4-5 old kernels, needing more than 100mb space sounds kinda strange to me.
[10:43] <mad_> Which update? A kernelupdate that is 83mb? Sounds strange.
[10:45] <xubuntu59o> shooud i get 14.10or 14.04
[10:46] <|zer0|> doesnt have anything in technical description, it is xubuntu base = 64.1mb which includes a hap of updates
[10:47] <brainwash> running "sudo apt-get autoremove" should remove older kernels
[10:47] <mad_> xubuntu59o: 14.10 has more current software - most tools are at the state of about one month ago. 14.04 has software that is usually at least from the state from one year ago. But 14.04 is being update for the next 3 years, while 14.10 only for one afaik.
[10:47] <xubuntu59o> so 14.10
[10:48] <brainwash> 14.10 is still a development release
[10:48] <mad_> xubuntu59o: That means: If you plan to use more recent software and have no issus with updating the whole distro agian next year, go for 14.10. If you want the PC just installed and not bothered anylonger for 3-4 more years (just the standard automatic updates in the background), go for 14.04
[10:49] <mad_> zer0, sorry, cannot help you there.
 I get the following 0 to upgrade, 0 to newly install, 0 to remove and 31 not to upgrade
[10:49] <|zer0|> :(
[10:50] <|zer0|> google search time
[10:51] <mad_> Please verify or reject the following: Xubuntu 14.04 has 3-year support for all packages from the xubuntu repositories. But it also uses the standard ubuntu repositories and after three years, I will keep getting updates for kernel and most system-relevant packages for another 2 years. Correct?
[10:54] <bluesabre> mad_: correct.  Everything in the "main" archive will continue to be maintained for a total of 5 years. Xubuntu and Xfce packages will be maintained only for a three-year support cycle.
[11:00] <xubuntu59o> f u all i go OPEN SUSE
 thin I have igre out my issue  :)
[11:02] <|zer0|> think i have figured out my issue even
[11:02] <|zer0|> xubuntu59o = tool
[11:05] <facepalm> Don't feed the trolls.
[11:07] <|zer0|> Appears when I do sudo apt-get clean it is not removing old kernels, I found my current kernel using cmd: uname -a = kernel 3.13.0-16
[11:08] <|zer0|> I then used cmd: dpkg -l 'linux-*' | sed '/^ii/!d;/'"$(uname -r | sed "s/\(.*\)-\([^0-9]\+\)/\1/")"'/d;s/^[^ ]* [^ ]* \([^ ]*\).*/\1/;/[0-9]/!d;/^linux-\(headers\|image\)/!d'
[11:08] <|zer0|>  which showed me all kernels not in use.
[11:08] <|zer0|> then cleaned all unused using cmd: sudo apt-get purge -y linux-headers-<version>
[11:10] <|zer0|> boot now clean and update progressing
[11:43] <|zer0|> trying to log into alternate channel and getting "you need to be identified with services" I have already registered and identified myself into freenode, could there be another issue?
[11:44] <bazhang> -NickServ- |zer0| has NOT COMPLETED registration verification
[11:44] <bazhang> more help in #freenode
[11:46] <|zer0|> lets try again, thanks <bazhang>
[11:47] <|zer0|> |zer0| has now been verified. thanks again <bazhang>
[11:47] <bazhang> np
[12:17] <NeedaHelpida> hi
[12:20] <NeedaHelpida> so can make my Destop PC windows have 2 users same time so whoewer is siting on PC and watch indernet and other stuff and on second user i istall TeamViewer and Dropbox and Unity3d and connetc from my linux laptop whit wifi lan, the point is i dont want to use some shit stuff like wine to use Unity
[12:22] <NeedaHelpida> ???
[12:23] <koegs> NeedaHelpida: you should ask a windows-channel for that :)
[12:23] <NeedaHelpida> no no i am linux user
[12:23] <NeedaHelpida> just dont want to use wine
[12:24] <NeedaHelpida> anywey know any good windows channel
[12:24] <koegs> NeedaHelpida: #windows
[12:58] <nomic> i need the alternative (non graphical) install of 14.04
[12:59] <nomic> how do I connect to wlan0 from the minimal cd
[12:59] <nomic> I've got that (minimal cd is the alternative - non graphical) install
[13:00] <nomic> ive done it before I just don't know how on this - to get my wireless
[13:00] <nomic> depressed .. this should be simple
[13:01] <nomic> says configuring network with dhcp I just want it to connect through wireless
[13:01] <nomic> network confirugation failed
[13:01] <nomic> then I can't get through to the archive
[13:02] <nomic> previous net install worked
[13:02] <nomic> this is crap -- why have the deprecated the alterative install
[13:02] <nomic> was NEEDED
[13:03] <nomic> im moving to lubuntu
[13:03] <nomic> you do not care
[13:04] <voidfire> nomic
[13:04] <voidfire> maybe sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart ?
[13:05] <nomic> i have booted the min install -- how can I do that
[13:05] <voidfire> dont u have a terminal?
[13:05] <nomic> what would that give me
[13:05] <nomic> I want it to conenct to my wlan0
[13:06] <voidfire> the ability to type the commant I told ya?
[13:06] <voidfire> your wlan0 is an interface
[13:06] <voidfire> u want your wlan0 to connect to wifi
[13:06] <nomic> bin/sh sudo not found
[13:06] <nomic> this is on the mini install
[13:06] <voidfire> let me see
[13:07] <nomic> why coulnd't they maintain the alterative instlal -- lubuntu does
[13:07] <nomic> is NEEDED
[13:07] <voidfire> i use xubuntu but idk
[13:07] <nomic> always was
[13:07] <voidfire> do
[13:07] <voidfire> apt-get install wireless-tools wpasupplicant
[13:07] <nomic> its gone on 14.04
[13:07] <voidfire> ifconfig wlan0 up
[13:07] <nomic> how can I apt-get if i'm not connected
[13:07] <nomic> understand
[13:07] <nomic> i booted the mini iso
[13:08] <nomic> there is nothing on it
[13:08] <voidfire> oh lol true
[13:08] <voidfire> iwconfig is in it?
[13:08] <nomic> im downloading lubuntu
[13:08] <nomic> 14.04 is dead to me
[13:08] <nomic> it won't install anymore on old kit
[13:09] <nomic> not happy really -- another ubuntu becomes unuseable
[13:10] <nomic> it was always the case that the graphical (alternative) install, was a fallback position -- enabling installation anywhere .. required, important -- suddenly, they decide not to use it anymore
[13:10] <nomic> thats the end of xubuntu for me
[13:30] <GridCube> nomic, at the level where you seem to be having problems, changing desktops wont make such a difference, you probably need to change distros allthogheter :) hope you have good luck
[13:36] <nomic> lubuntu
[13:36] <nomic> if xubuntu had alternative instlal would be able to use it
[13:59] <suncokret> nomic, do you use xubuntu?
[13:59] <nomic> yeah
[13:59] <nomic> til now
[13:59] <nomic> used it since 10.04
[14:00] <suncokret> i use lubuntu
[14:00] <nomic> well im watching it install now -- have had it briefly on machines before
[14:00] <nomic> > a year ago
[14:00] <nomic> I believe it is more widely used now -- mainstream .. ie. xubuntu is well down the rankings
[14:00] <suncokret> i like more LXDE than XFCE
[14:01] <nomic> hmm .. please tell me why
[14:01] <nomic> lubuntu 11th (distro watch) xubuntu 22nd
[14:01] <suncokret> i used windows xp before, and lxde is more similar to xp
[14:02] <nomic> well as if that is an advantage ?  xp is 15 years old
[14:02] <nomic> xp is nothing
[14:02] <nomic> xp is windows 95
[14:02] <suncokret> LXDE is lighter than XFCE
[14:02] <nomic> well good
[14:02] <nomic> cos .. I run old kit
[14:02] <suncokret> i use 32 bit lubuntu
[14:03] <suncokret> and it use just about 115MB of ram
[14:03] <nomic> wow
[14:03] <nomic> i just got the most amazing deal a 16gb hp workstation 4 core processor .. 1tb disk for £189
[14:04] <nomic> refurb ie. its old office stuff -- what I run
[14:04] <nomic> pleased because I get the 1tb disk also
[14:04] <nomic> never had a 1tb disk
[14:04] <suncokret> and now i don't need terminal in lubuntu, everything i can set from gui
[14:04] <nomic> well #i need a termnal
[14:04] <nomic> in genral
[14:05] <suncokret> so you more like xubuntu than lubuntu?
[14:05] <nomic> i don't know yet suncokret
[14:05] <nomic> i just hope it does a job -- because xubuntu won't install on this new machine
[14:05] <nomic> 14.04
[14:05] <nomic> 12.04 will
[14:06] <suncokret> i didn't see advantage in XFCE, it just eat more ram
[14:06] <suncokret> i use lubuntu 14.04 and it is best version of lubunu
[14:06] <suncokret> *lubuntu
[14:07] <nomic> i think it'll be similar enough to xubuntu
[14:07] <nomic> so I don't get problems
[14:08] <nomic> I really don't want to have to be tinkering about with the OS
[14:08] <nomic> I just want nfs ssh etc
[14:08] <nomic> few other things
[14:08] <nomic> does it have synaptic?
[14:08] <suncokret> what is nfs?
[14:08] <nomic> network filing system
[14:08] <suncokret> it have synaptic
[14:09] <knome> you can install all the applications which are available in the repositories in any flavor
[14:09] <nomic> whats your 32 bit machine
[14:09] <suncokret> yes, diference is only in gui
[14:09] <suncokret> and some programs
[14:09] <suncokret> for example file manager
[14:10] <nomic> nautilus will work?
[14:10] <suncokret> it will, but default is pcmanfm
[14:10] <suncokret> but i use double commander
[14:10] <suncokret> it is best file manager for linux
[14:10] <knome> can you take the general preferences/flavors/computers discussion to #xubuntu-offtopic, please?
[14:19] <nomic> ah well lubuntu won't install either
[14:22] <Wollie88> nomic, why is it not installing ? are you getting an error ?
[14:23] <nomic> it installs then it just gives me a blank screen (wont boot)
[14:23] <genii> !nomodeset
[14:29] <nomic> how do I reset that if I can't get in?
[14:30] <Hedgework> nomic: Alt+F1 may drop you to a usable terminal
[14:30] <nomic> doesn't
[14:31] <Hedgework> nomic: Okay, I missed the beginning, are you on an install of xubuntu right now, or booting from the livecd?
[14:31] <nomic> I try to install 14.04 ..it won't even boot the install
[14:32] <nomic> its  a hp workstation xw6400 with 16gb ram, that ran 12.04 .. same machine with 4gb of ram, installs xubuntu 14.04
[14:32] <nomic> maybe I swap the graphics card
[14:32] <Hedgework> nomic: You're trying to do 64bit, I assume?
[14:32] <nomic> cos I have another graphics card
[14:33] <nomic> yeah
[14:33] <nomic> ill swap graphics crd from other machine to see if it's that
[14:33] <nomic> maybe gets me forward (idea)
[14:33] <nomic> brb
[14:33] <Hedgework> Could be.  Otherwise, we can try other things, but I'm at work for ~7 more hours, so my ability to help is limited.
[14:39] <nomic> hey thanks
[14:40] <nomic> thinking .. more likely to be graphics card than ram ... same machine with less ram diff graph card runs 14.04
[14:40] <nomic> am trying it now will report back .. inst. x 14.04
[14:45] <nomic> YES.
[14:45]  * Hedgework cheers
[14:45] <Hedgework> Glad you got it working.
[14:45] <nomic> i get further -- which means it installs .. was some diff graphics card .. I have been getting stnadard type .. this machine came with something I didn't ercognise -- luckily .. before I bought the machine I bought a replacement graphics card to try to get previous machine working
[14:45] <nomic> so its all good
[14:45]  * nomic continues to use xubuntu
[14:45] <nomic> thanks
[14:45] <Hedgework> :)
[14:46] <Hedgework> np
[14:46] <nomic> wut do you work at hedgework
[14:46] <nomic> programming?
[14:46] <Hedgework> nomic: infosec
[14:46] <Hedgework> nomic: so I code some, do the sysadmin thing some, and a bunch of other stuff.
[14:47] <knome> nomic, please take the non-support questions to #xubuntu-offtopic.
[15:28] <mad__> Anyone else experincing issues with grub not being installed correctly with the current xubuntut 14.04 image?
[15:36] <genii> mad__: Nope. I installed a couple days ago now on my Acer D260 hard drive no issues, and also onto a USB stick without issue. No EFI there though
[15:58] <xubuntu65w> Hi all, I got graphic card issue on an hp compaq 6910p  the screen goes blank at random times and will not go back on until I do a hard reset since a few updates, it is frustrating because even when I just do some codding for a nes projeck it goes blank...
[19:29] <knosys> Im a bit scared. After installing few packages , i realized that i dont really need them. So i --purge remove them. But bash tell me that a lot of dependency packages will not be removed until i "apt-get autoremove"
[19:29] <knosys> so i did that
[19:30] <knosys> and its doing a long proccess, and things im reading are scary like: found /dev/sda5 on ...
[19:30] <knosys> its a bad idea to perform "apt-get autoremove" for cleaning dependence packages i dont need anymore?
[19:31] <genii> knosys: No, it's fine.
[19:31] <knosys> thanks
[19:31] <Unit193> I like apt-get autoremove --purge; apt-get autoclean
[19:32] <knosys> one question, i was trying to installing qt4. In website , where i read i need it they dont specify what package. And there is a lot. I need it to compile a little application. The thing its.. there is qt4-dev , and lot of more things. each of them have different lot of packages
[19:32] <knosys> i feel i could mess my system just trying wich one would be
[19:32] <knosys> you guys know what can that website mean with "qut4"?
[19:32] <knosys> qt4*
[19:33] <brainwash> that website? which one?
[19:35] <knosys> https://code.google.com/p/ip-changer/wiki/INSTALL
[19:35] <knosys> there
[19:35] <knosys> its a little program that change the target IP of a game, to connect it do different game-servers
[19:38] <brainwash> it's quite old
[19:38] <knosys> the other one uses wxWidgets... and oh lord.. thats was complicated to install for me
[19:39] <knosys> :P
[19:39] <knosys> last time i tried i brokeup the OS, messing with /etc/enviroment and ./profile
[19:40] <knosys> the ~/.profile i mean
[19:41] <brainwash> well, you will have to install the dev packages then, qt4 and libboost
[19:41] <brainwash> maybe it's worth to set up a virtual machine and test it
[19:42] <brainwash> or boot into live mode
[19:42] <knosys> if i have to do it
[19:43] <brainwash> this way you won't mess with your actual system
[19:43] <knosys> wich one would you choose? the one i already told you, or this one? https://code.google.com/p/linux-tibia-ip-changer/
[19:44] <brainwash> the second one, it's python
[19:44] <knosys> maybe ok, thanks you
[19:45] <knosys> withouth maybe*
[20:41] <brent2> Nominating this for inclusion in the official repos: http://www.webupd8.org/2014/10/lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings-gui.html
[20:44] <elfy> brent2: we postponed that https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-u-features
[20:44] <elfy> maybe 15.04
[20:50] <brent2> darn
[20:50] <brent2> it's nice!
[20:50] <brent2> how come it's postponed elfy ?
[20:51] <elfy> not sure - time perhaps
[20:52] <elfy> wrong channel really - if you want to know why - best thing would be to ask in xubuntu-devel
[20:53] <knosys> Hey guys, any of you have installed wxWidgets on trusty?
[22:59] <xubuntu968> who clicked the irc link on installer, works
[22:59] <xubuntu968> I'm installing xubuntu in a VM because I assume it will be less shit than ubuntu with 3d
[23:01] <xubuntu968> the list of sofrware listed during install is depressing
[23:59] <roninn> I'm trying to connect to with x11vnc to a xubuntu machine, but I only get a black screen after connecting, that doesn't response to user input
[23:59] <roninn> any ideas