[00:03] Odd, I know I used sudo nano this time, and it still won't let me write the file. [00:06] Why wouldn't I, being the first user and using sudo, be able to write a config file? [00:09] crazyhead42: did nano give you an exact error message or just some "can't write" error message? [00:10] "Permision Denied" [00:12] [ Error in writing vsftpd: Persmission denied ] [00:13] crazyhead42: what command did you use to start nano? [00:14] sudo nano vstpd.conf [00:28] I'd suspect it was because ftp is running, but that doesn't seem to be a problem in the instructions... [00:30] depends; linux won't let you modify a currently-executing binary file, but I doubt that was what you did with nano :) [00:30] (of course you can -delete- currently executing binary files no trouble. and you can modify libraries used by processes and they'll probably just crash. go figure.) [00:36] If it makes things more wierd/clear/muddled, I can't save it as vsftpd1.config either. [00:37] you probably don't have write privileges to the containing directory, which makes me wonder if you did use 'sudo' to start it, since root can override permissions on anything .. except for e.g. a read-only mount [00:38] huh... sudo apt-get seemed to work well. [00:39] I'll try rebooting though. How do I do that by commandline? [00:39] sudo shutdown -r now [00:41] Does any one know why I would have a public IPv6 address during the installation of ubuntu server, but not after the installation? [00:45] leopardweasel1: check your /etc/network/interfaces to see if you've got the ipv6 configuration defined properly [00:47] sarnold: it is set up with the default "auto eth0" and "iface eth0 inet dhcp". It is my router for my home network. [00:48] leopardweasel1: aha; you'll need to add some 'inet6' stuff there too [00:48] leopardweasel1: check out interfaces(5) for details [00:49] Negative. It still says permission denied. [00:49] Could a too long string do it? [00:50] crazyhead42: no; if you tried to give a file name too long it would probably be "File name too long" error message instead [00:50] crazyhead42: what commands are you running? [00:51] still sudo nano, but I accidently ctrl z'd out, and now it's saying no write permission [00:52] could you pastebin the last ten or twenty lines of your history? [00:53] No, I'd have to type them one by one. [00:53] And they aren't all showing up... [00:53] WTH?! I've got history missing now! [00:54] try this; sudo apt-get install pastebinit ; history | tail -20 | pastebinit [00:54] Won't help, this is not my server. My server is on another computer. [00:54] Unless pastebinit is meant to protect my history from disapearing unexplanibly? [00:55] pastebinit just writes standard input to a pastebin site like paste.ubuntu.com. it saves you from having to copy-and-paste things by hand. [00:55] Still would have to type it all out. [00:55] why? [00:55] Two different computers. [00:56] My server is one, which I don't have working to the point where I can even access it from here (I think. I'm not ruling out issues on this end.) and I'm using a pc to manage the irc. [00:56] ... oh crazy, you don't even have working networking on it?? [00:57] wait now I'm really confused [00:57] I can download stuff, but that's it. [00:57] you said apt-get works... so how does -that- work but you can't ssh into it? [00:57] I don't have access to it from my other computer. That's what I've been trying to fix. [00:57] crazyhead42: install pastebinit, run the history | tail -20 | pastebinit, and then it'll give you an url like: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8528552/ that you'll have to retype. that's not the worst thing in the world... [00:58] crazyhead42: and you can't just ssh into it? [00:58] 1. not sure I know what that means. [00:58] 2. I wouldn't rule out that I'm trying to set that up. [00:58] why bother with vsftp if you can't even ssh in? seems like worrying about paint scratches on a car when there's no engine installed :) hehe [00:59] wait? I'm not trying to get an engine? What have I been trying to install? SEATWARMERS? [00:59] hehehe [01:00] OH, and if I do have ssh on it, I might STILL be unable to access it. An engine is no good without being connected to the wheels. [01:01] ah, that's a better analogy. you car's got an engine (kernel works, networking stack works), but without wheels (ssh) you can't drive it anywhere :) [01:01] so, can you ping your server's IP address from the computer you're using? [01:01] Actually, the wheels here might be me knowing what I'm doing. [01:02] No. Not without careful instruction. [01:03] I don't even know if windows has the ability to ping. [01:03] I'd ASSUME so, but I've never seen it. [01:03] run "ip addr" or "ifconfig" on the servre; look for an ip address that's not 127.0.0.1. on the pc, type "ping ipaddress" [01:04] I'm not the only one on the network... [01:04] How do I avoid pinging my mom? [01:04] that's fine, ping sends little tiny 56 byte packets by default. and windows ping juts sends four before quitting. [01:04] you find the IP address of the server and ping that. [01:05] That wasn't thourough enough. [01:06] The National Policy Institute, estimates that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion, or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period [01:06] Oops [01:06] crazyhead42: okay, here's my ifconfig and ip addr output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8530141/ [01:07] Microsoft Windows [Version 6.3.9600] [01:07] (c) 2013 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved. [01:07] C:\Users\####>ifconfig [01:07] 'ifconfig' is not recognized as an internal or external command, [01:07] operable program or batch file. [01:07] C:\Users\####>ip addr [01:07] 'ip' is not recognized as an internal or external command, [01:07] operable program or batch file. [01:07] C:\Users\####> [01:07] run those commands on your server, not your pc [01:07] windows has an 'ipconfig' command if you ever want it though... [01:07] Oh. You want the one from the server. [01:08] I actually have that stored, assuming it didn't change. [01:08] 192.168.1.255 is one of them [01:08] oops... I probably shouldn't have posted that [01:08] that's probably a broadcast address [01:09] if your netmask is 255.255.255.0, that's a broadcast address, it refers to all hosts on your local network. [01:09] Okay, I'm getting several of them. [01:10] twenty years ago you could use that to find all the computers o na network -- ping 192.168.1.255 -- and you'd get back responses from five, ten, twenty, or two hundred machines, all at once. :) but most computers don't reply to broadcast pings any more :( [01:10] Okay... so now that I have a bunch of IP addresses, what do I do with them? [01:11] I'm surprised you have "a bunch" -- how many network cards does that machine have? [01:11] There should only be one (and there is only one ethernet cord), but I can only tell the loopback apart from the other kinds. [01:12] you're probably looking for eth0's ip address [01:14] Okay, I know I used this comand previously, but I don't remember quite how it went. It was ip addr | [something] eth [01:14] grep [01:15] ummmmmmmmmmmmmmm [01:15] lots of stuffes [01:15] hmm, and actually none of those are the ip address anyway.. [01:16] but I have to go, I need to make dinner. [01:16] try this: ip addr | grep 192 [01:28] I have an inet and a grd [01:28] inet ends with a number a slash then another number, the grd ends in 255. [01:28] Is the inet the one I want? [01:29] yeah [01:29] Okay, got it then. what is it I'm going to do with it? [01:29] ping it from the windows machine and see if routing works between the two computers [01:30] How do I ping with windows? Linux is easy, the command IS ping. No clue when it comes to the pc. [01:30] ping [01:31] do I include the slash and the numbers after it? [01:31] no, leave that part off [01:31] four replys [01:31] sweet, success [01:32] okay, on the pc run "telnet ipaddress 22" -- that should give you some output like: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_6.6.1p1 Ubuntu-2ubuntu2 [01:32] this will see if openssh-server is installed and running [01:33] false. Could not connect. === peter is now known as Guest59771 [01:33] TTL, what's TTL? [01:33] time to live [01:33] O.O tell me "live" is programer speak for something less disturbing [01:34] hehe [01:34] to ensure packets don't route around the internet forever, they each have a 'time to live' number embedded within them; every router subtracts one and then passes along the packet to the next hop. if any router ever sees it hit '0' it drops the packet on the floor. [01:35] Oh. That is... a little disturbing in discription, but an acceptablle concept [01:35] dns has a slightly different meaning for "time to live", but it'll make sense when you get there :) hehe [01:35] Darn it. changing the nmber didn't fix it. [01:36] which numbre did you change? [01:36] the 22. I used the number after the / and also 21 [01:36] aha :) [01:37] 21 because I think I've seen it somewhere while reading the code. [01:37] "code" [01:37] 22 is the listening port on the server; 22 is usual for ssh; 21 is usual for ftp, 23 for telnet, etc... [01:37] yeah. It's probably the ftp I grabbed it from. [01:37] but since you had a connection rejected, you probably don't have openssh-server installed and running; on the server, run 'apt-get install openssh-server' [01:39] not something I'd doubt. But why wouldn't ubuntu server come with that? [01:39] (This, by the way, is why people use macs and PCs, this is WAYYYY over my head. [01:40] crazyhead42: okay, it's time for me to run, but once you've got openssh-server installed, install this onto your windows machine, and use it to connect to your server's IP address: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PuTTY [01:40] crazyhead42: I'msurprised it isn't installed and running to be honest. [01:40] Maybe it dissapeared when I purged samba. (which I later decided was a BAD idea) [01:41] Do I need to restart before I can test this? [01:41] no [01:41] you almost never need to reboot linux machines [01:41] I had one that was up and running for over a thousand days between reboots. [01:42] okay, off ;) have fun [01:42] Oh, you have to go. Before you do, can you tell me if I at least seem intellegent on this thing? I don't know if I'm an intellegent beginner or some moron trying to use this wrong. [01:42] you understand surprising things, don't know other things. it's not what I'd expect :) I've got good hopes for you. [01:43] ?? I'll ask you about that tomorrow then... [02:48] Well, openssl-server didn't seem to change what happened on ping... is anyone on that can help me with the next step? [02:52] Scratch that. I was typing in "ipaddress" instead of the ip address [03:01] hey guys [03:08] Hi, hope you're not looking for anyone. [03:10] huh [03:10] I am not :P [03:13] Are you a helper, or someone who needs help? [03:13] I was having issue with locale and I fixed it. thanks for asking [03:16] If you needed help, I'd just direct you to #ubuntu. I can't help you, I spent quite a while dealling with trying to connect to a server with ip address "ipaddress" [03:18] What just happened? [03:18] huh ?! what happen ?! [03:19] I am wondering how you guys scale up syslog server [03:19] imagine 1000 servers have log almost every second [03:19] it send to one single rsyslog server [03:19] I would imagine it will be super busy === Sachiru is now known as Guest2019 === Sachiru_ is now known as Sachiru [03:23] @lkthomas: That's easy. Don't send log to a single syslog server [03:23] Use something like the ELK stack or Splunk [03:24] how does it help ?! [03:24] Reduce load [03:24] Have three servers as log agents/collectors, and one as coordinator [03:24] Then use something like Kibana or Splunk to do automated analysis [03:24] Splunk isn't free [03:24] any alternative ? [03:24] Like email you when syslog from server 694 reports that apache is down [03:24] ELK stack [03:25] Elasticsearch-Logstash-Kibana [03:25] All free [03:25] let me have a look, thanks [03:26] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kqs7UcCJquM <-- ELK stack in action [03:28] You can even use ELK to create nice-looking NOC Dashboards, like the ones here: http://www.networkassassin.com/elk-for-network-operations/ [03:28] looks interesting [03:28] YAY! I have a server now! <3 Now to spend some time compressing my stuff so it can transfer off my pc. [03:29] Sachiru: seems I need to spend couple weeks to learn how to deploy it [03:31] Integrate ELK + Observium + some form of netflow analyzer + transparent net proxy with orionsniffer and you not only see network stats, but network usage as well [03:32] Anyone tries to browse porn, it instantly shows up on the NOC dashboard as well as where he's getting it and what kind of porn he's looking at. Netflix on work network? Instantly see a breakdown of traffic on a per-protocol/per-application basis and pinpoint which guy is streaming Game of Thrones on his work PC [03:32] I should know, that's what I have here right now. [03:36] O.O Just one more reason NOT to use the school network [03:36] Granted I have quite a big budget for IT [03:36] Running that level of monitoring is not cheap [03:37] Then again, it's better to spend that much on monitoring than to lose even more due to slow network [03:37] Are there any ways around this kind of monitoring? [03:37] Sure [03:37] Tor [03:37] Or a VPN [03:38] They'd know that you're using Tor or a VPN, but not know what you're using it for [03:38] Basically all they'd see is how much traffic is tunneled through Tor/VPN, but not what kind of traffic it is [03:38] what are those? [03:38] Even so, carrier-grade (ISP-grade) network monitoring tools can still sniff into Tor/VPN [03:39] A VPN essentially creates an encrypted tunnel to a server on the outside of the network [03:39] Which acts as an exit point for your network activity [03:39] so a proxy? [03:39] A bit more and a bit less than a proxy [03:40] More in the sense that it tunnels EVERYTHING (proxies tunnel only HTTP traffic), and a bit less in that it's more detectable than using a proxy [03:41] Is there any way for someone to grab my login information to, let's say my email, while I'm on their server? [03:41] Tor is VPN on steroids, creates multiple encrypted tunnels to multiple exit points, and selects across them at random, so few can know exactly which tunnel you're using at a given time. [03:41] *network [03:41] Sure [03:41] But it's not easy [03:41] Nice to know it's not as easy as I thought. [03:41] Webmail is typically protected by HTTPS, so it takes immense computational power to crack [03:42] If you were at school and I wanted your webmail password, given a choice of buying $5 billion worth of servers to run a massive cracking array or hiring a $500 security guard to beat you up until you told me your password, you can imagine which approach I'd use [03:42] even if I establish the connection through the network? [03:43] As for Tor: https://www.torproject.org/ [03:44] the thing is people who are extremely paranoid about netsec do not understand the idea behind cracking encryption and thus do not see why nobody would bother to crack their passwords via computers [03:44] It takes an immense amount of computing power to crack something like RSA, so typically governments and the like are the only ones capable of it, and even then they use it against targets where the money would be put to good use [03:45] Even the government will not spend billions of dollars just to get your grandma's secret yogurt recipe [03:45] And even so, if they really wanted your access details they'd use cheaper and easier methods, like blackmail or eavesdropping, to get it, instead of all this hypothetical supermachine cracking array [03:46] If someone says that it's not secure, my typical counterargument is this: "Let's say that the government DOES have that capability, my question is are you *that important* that the government would spend huge sums just to get at you instead of bigger targets like say the current leader of the Taliban?" [03:47] Even on my current network I usually don't use the sniffing capabilities unless management asks me to [03:48] Too many clients to keep an eye on that it's not worth my time to look at all of them [03:50] I just thought because my computer has to talk to the external server to choose encryption type, the encryption type would be easily avalible. [03:56] Is there a way to modify the configuration of my server to put deleted items in a trash file instead of perminintly deleting them the first time? [04:02] What's your server? [04:02] I mean, what services is it exposing? [04:04] It's just a ftp server [04:04] just got openssl working [04:04] using filezilla as a go between. [04:07] What's your FTP server? [04:07] What software are you using to act as FTP server? [04:08] Ubuntu server, openssl-server [04:08] Or at least I think that's the active portion [04:42] OpenSSL refers only to the SSL layer [04:42] What FTP daemon are you using? [04:42] Ummm... default? [04:44] I've done no successful customizations beyond downloads. [04:48] And I say sucessful because my write privliges don't seem to function, even as su + sudo combined [05:00] wait, you sudo as root? === elliotd123_ is now known as elliotd123 === kickinz1|afk is now known as kickinz1 [07:00] How do I install offline? [07:19] bleh. just strung a network cable across the floor. oh well [07:19] thanks anyway === kickinz1 is now known as kickinz1|afk === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte === kickinz1|afk is now known as kickinz1 === kickinz1 is now known as kickinz1|afk === markthomas|away is now known as markthomas === kickinz1|afk is now known as kickinz1 === nath|off is now known as nathema [08:23] Good morning. === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [09:03] Hi! I'm trying to understand the basics of UFW, and I'm hacing a little issue connecting from the outside. I've currently set UFW up so that all internal network has the access needed to reach eachother ( http://pastie.org/private/i07wxhnois18azddrjldg ) - and it seems like that works exactly as it should. But when trying to access with my-own-ip, I'm rejected for any other port than port 22. [09:20] how can I extend /opt partition [09:20] I have storage via nfs === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [09:25] abhishek: Stop the nfs service, repartition your drive, start nfs service. [09:32] Hi, I have purchased access to a dedicated server where the OS was installed by the company which do this business. I see there are several users listed which I think are not required on the server. for example: games, irc, whoopsie, landscape etc. [09:32] Is the ok to remove those users? [09:33] I also see they have enabled root login and created a directory in /home as: admintech. This admintech is not a user as "passwd admintech" doesn't allow to create password [09:34] before disabling root, I want to disable all users which are not required. I will be ruuning a web server on this. Once that is done, create a user give password to it and then disable root so that I am not locked out. I hope this is correct process === nathema is now known as nath|off === nath|off is now known as nathema [09:46] vedic_: Likely your hoster has someway of accessing and maintaining the server. It might be that some of the things you've listed are part of that. [09:48] lordievader: It is not meant to be managed. I need to ensure that I give max security to server. The user admintech is actually the user. I have typo so it was not taking password. I have set password for that. The reason that comes to my mind on enabling root is that they [09:48] are not used to Ubuntu. They have ready systems for CentOS, RedHat but not Ubuntu. That may be the reason to enable root [09:49] But is there any use for these users: games, irc etc? [09:49] I am not going to run any of these on that server [09:50] games and irc seem to be default users, perhaps from the legacy from the early days. [09:51] Their shell is set to /usr/sbin/nologin [09:51] So you cannot login as those users. [09:52] hmm... that makes sense. [09:56] Is there any way to check if the server was installed as minimal install option or not? [09:57] vedic_: You mean with the mini iso? [09:58] lordievader: nope. I mean during installation of ubuntun server, It gives modes in which to install. One of them is Minimal Install where the installer will install only the bare minimal packages [10:01] vedic_: I suppose you can look at the package list to see fi there are optional packages installed. === kickinz1 is now known as kickinz1|afk [11:13] If there is .local file along with .conf file for services like fail2ban, will .local take precedence? === markthomas is now known as markthomas|away === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away === nathema is now known as nath|off [11:50] zul, https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1379761 fyi [11:50] Launchpad bug 1379761 in horizon "Asset compression does not happen unless debug mode is enabled" [Undecided,New] [12:07] jamespage: lovely [12:16] jamespage: did you see nova rc2? === nath|off is now known as nathema === markthomas|away is now known as markthomas [12:40] zul, jamespage: I'll kick off the nova and neutron rc2's if you haven't already [12:40] ack [12:42] coreycb, awesome [12:48] coreycb, zul: ooo - just found a cracking neutron bug [12:49] jamespage, oh? [12:50] coreycb, ovs agent explodes trying to management iptables [12:50] jamespage: that doesnt sound too cracking [12:51] zul, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/neutron/+bug/1379779 [12:51] Launchpad bug 1379779 in neutron "neutron-openvswitch-agent fails to apply iptables rules" [Undecided,New] [12:52] jamespage: you should really stop breaking things ;) [12:52] zul, this is called *testing* [12:53] question... if i run sudo tasksel, then select mail server, add my mail domain info in the "wizard", Should that work out of the box for sending and recieving? [12:55] running a dev server so minimal config is ok [13:06] zul, coreycb: hold fire on the neutron rc2, that needs some packaging fixes [13:07] jamespage, ok [13:08] coreycb, zul: new for rc1 - https://github.com/openstack/neutron/commit/2562a9271c828e982a74593e8fd07be13b0cfc4a [13:08] hmm its optional but it certainly would help with iptables management [13:09] jamespage: ipset is in universe [13:09] zul, erm yes [13:09] craps [13:13] zul, it would just be that new dependency [13:13] jamespage: want me to do the mir? [13:13] zul, yes please; I'll handle the neutron bits [13:14] coreycb, i got neutron rc2 [13:14] :-( [13:14] jamespage, ok [13:17] zul, will that land in jdstrands lap? [13:17] jamespage: i dont think so its pretty small https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ipset/+bug/1379789 [13:17] Launchpad bug 1379789 in ipset "[MIR] ipset" [High,New] [13:18] its an iptables add-on [13:25] gaughen, ^^ you should be aware of this discovery [13:28] zul, some of your detail is wrong - its not python [13:29] fixed [13:38] zul, can you review? https://code.launchpad.net/~corey.bryant/nova/2014.2-rc2/+merge/237976 [13:39] coreycb: uploading [13:39] zul, thx [13:44] zul, oo - its has DEP-8 tests! [13:45] I just updated my DNS servers in my /etc/network/interfaces file [13:45] how do I kick the server for the changes to take effect? [13:45] /etc/init.d/networking restart doesn't do it [13:45] DammitJim, you need to down/up the interface [13:46] oh, so one can't do that over ssh? [13:46] using ifdown/ifup [13:46] DammitJim, hmm - well you probably can still === nathema is now known as nath|off [13:47] how? [14:15] zul, coreycb: neutron uploaded with the new ipset stuff enabled [14:15] it will build fine but pulls a new runtime dep [14:16] jamespage, ok === esde is now known as Guest68239 === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [14:37] Under ubuntu 13.10 I tried a sudo do-release-upgrade --mode=server -d, but it says that theres no updates. I removed a bunch of files, but without success. Someone does know how to fix it? [14:43] ayr-ton: Saucy is now End-Of-Life and it's repositories were archived to old-releases.ubuntu.com [14:55] smoser: for bug 1068756, is it even right that files are being placed that affect the system during the image build process, rather than in packaging? [14:55] Launchpad bug 1068756 in procps "IPv6 Privacy Extensions enabled on Ubuntu Server by default" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1068756 [14:59] rbasak, how would you propose to fix that ? [14:59] we want "server specific config" [15:00] smoser: I don't know. But I think it's wrong to do it by effectively hacking the built image. [15:00] Maybe a question for ubuntu-devel. [15:01] smoser: what if cloud-init had a setting to enable or disable privacy extensions, and you decided the default? [15:16] rbasak, we've done other "cloud specific config" before in image build process [15:16] we definitely do want to limit it (and do). [15:16] and in that bug, one of the things i said was "figure out the right way to do this". [15:18] smoser: I'm fine with a hack in the meantime. Better modify the build process than have this bug languishing. But we should keep something open to fix it properly. [15:18] smoser: what do you think of cloud-init doing it? [15:19] well, we want "server" fixed too [15:19] generally the setting is silly [15:19] so cloud-init doing it is a fix for a subset of thigns. [15:19] Agreed. [15:25] zul, can you review please? https://code.launchpad.net/~corey.bryant/keystone/2014.1.3-2/+merge/238002 === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away === markthomas is now known as markthomas|away [16:02] coreycb: yep right after lunch === nath|off is now known as nathema === nathema is now known as nath|off [16:31] Has any used sendEmail (its sendEmail not sendmail). I am facing issue in sending email via smtp gmail on port 587 [16:32] Need guidance if you have used it [16:34] vedic_: What does the bounce messaage say? [16:35] sendEmail[1530]: ERROR => ERROR => SMTP-AUTH: Authentication to smtp.gmail.com:587 failed. [16:35] genii: [16:35] vedic_: Are you using it with -xu username -xp password ? [16:35] genii: yea [16:36] Same way as provided here (see first question in faq): http://caspian.dotconf.net/menu/Software/SendEmail/ [16:36] Hm [16:41] vedic_: Could you give the exact type of way you are trying please? ( Just put sample stuff for the content/user/pass though of course) [16:45] genii: sendEmail -f myemail@gmail.com -t youremail@gmail.com -s smtp.gmail.com:587 -xu myemail@incights.com -xp MyPass#% -u "Hello from sendEmail" -o tls=yes -m "How are you? I'm testing sendEmail from the command line." [16:47] I was thinking maybe tls was not specified but I see you do have it there [16:49] vedic_: Have you tried putting the pass inside single quotes? [16:49] ( there might be something in it which is being parsed [16:49] genii: wow. It worked [16:50] :) big thanks [16:50] vedic_: You're welcome :) [16:51] coreycb: buit fine? [16:52] zul, yes [16:55] coreycb: done [16:55] zul, thanks === markthomas|away is now known as markthomas === a1berto_ is now known as a1berto [17:43] HI I am using ubuntu 14.04. how do I find out what HZ is set in my system? thanks [17:44] zartoosh: HZ? Do you mean the clock frequency of your CPU? [17:59] zartoosh: the command "grep ^CONFIG_HZ /boot/config-`uname -r`" will tell you. Looks like 250. [17:59] Ah that HZ... [18:17] rbasak, lordievader thanks got it [18:20] How to know if mta in installed? === danwest_ is now known as danwest [18:37] Is it possible to have minimal install of Ubuntu server on the cloud? Minimal install doesn't provide ssh. If no ssh then how to access server on the cloud? I want to give instructions to my cloud provider to install bare minimal packages. Currently it has got yum, rpm, sendmail and a whole lot other packages [18:38] sendmail?!? [18:39] IIRC exim is the default, I prefer postfix [18:41] RoyK: yea, I am surprised how they have installed. I now need to give them instructions to make minimal install. But would that be possible on Ctrls? [18:41] typo: ... But would that be possible on cloud? [18:42] well, a cloud is just a bunch of VMs - everything's possible [18:43] RoyK: hmm [18:45] RoyK: are there any instructions on how to make minimal server install? [18:45] I will send that link to them [18:46] vedic_: look into these http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/releases/14.04/release-20140927/ [18:48] sarnold: I am not yet on AWS. [18:48] vedic_: scroll down. === nath|off is now known as nathema === bilde2910 is now known as bilde2910|away [19:03] sarnold: I think if I install ubuntu-minimal and then remove all other packages except ubuntu-minimal that should do the trick. [19:03] What do you thing? [19:03] think [19:04] vedic_: seems complicated compared to just starting with a tiny starting point.. [19:05] sarnold: I already have access to VM and I will ask them to terminate this and create another one which will take at least 24 to 48 hours [19:05] vedic_: wow, I'm accustomed to a minute or two... [19:05] vedic_: if turn-around time really is so horrible perhaps it is worth doing some goofing around with package management yourself :) [19:06] sarnold: because it is you doing it. In my case, I can't install OS. They do it for each VM and they have process to follow [19:06] hmm... [19:07] sarnold, which putty should I be downloading? even if I only look at the ones for windows that have "putty" in them, there are quite a few. [19:09] crazyhead42: I think the "A windows installer for everything except puttytel" -- you might not need the others right away but it'd be nice to have them installed and available [19:10] so I wn't need puttytel for anything? [19:10] probably not [19:11] puttytel is a standalone telnet client, unlikely you'll need it [19:12] oh, tel as in telnet. [19:13] Oh, and sarnold, I figured out why I couldn't connect to my server yesterday. [19:13] my ip address wasn't "ipaddress" [19:13] lol [19:13] yeah :) [19:14] I'm still curious though, what is it that surprised you? [19:17] well, this :) hehe -- you knew how to install an ubuntu machine, got packages downloaded and installed, but didn't know "ipaddress" meant "put in the ip address that we had talked about" :) [19:18] That I figured out after actually LOOKING at the code. [19:21] Does PUtty support drag and drop file transfers? [19:24] No. [19:24] crazyhead42: For drag and drop file transfers, just use filezilla. [19:25] drat. Is there a way to transfer a whole directory/folder? [19:25] And that didn't seem to work.. [19:27] oh, there it goes. [19:41] What should I do about the fact I can't edit config files? [19:43] crazyhead42: where? [19:43] On my server, I tried to edit vsftpd.conf (using sudo nano, of course) and I didn't get write permissions [19:44] Oh boy. What's the command for "this message begins with a /"? [19:45] What? [19:45] I was going to type in the exact location of the file, but the system thinks I'm giving it a command. [19:46] Please pastebin your exact session, that doesn't make any sense [19:46] Is / mounted read-only or something? [19:47] I can't "pastebin [19:47]