[05:10] <Kilos> morning all
[05:22] <Kilos> haha Squirm  
[05:33] <Squirm> morning
[05:44] <bduk> More almal
[05:45] <Kilos> hi bduk  
[05:53] <bduk> Hoe gaan dit op die lieflike Vrydag more Kilos 
[05:53] <Kilos> goed dankie en jy bduk  ?
[05:54] <bduk> Niks om oor te kla nie uitgespaar dankie
[05:54] <Kilos> ek maak reg om 9 uur te ry om my hardeskyf te gaan vervang
[05:54] <bduk> Waar koop jy
[05:54] <Kilos> omega in midrand
[05:55] <Kilos> het klaar een gekoop wat foutief was
[05:55] <bduk> is dit die moeite werd om so ver te ry
[05:55] <bduk> o ok 
[05:56] <Kilos> waar is n nader plek anyway wat n 1TB verkoop vir 615
[05:59] <bduk> Klink na 'n goeie prys maar as jy jou brandstof tyd en geduld in die verkeer moet by tel dan koop ek liewer sommer plaaslik iewers vir 'n honderd of 2 meer. Nou moet jy elk geval 2 keer ry omdat hy foutief is
[05:59] <Kilos> hulle het afgelwer eerste een
[05:59] <Kilos> gelewer
[05:59] <Kilos> eerste keer wat ek ry
[06:00] <bduk> ok
[06:00] <Kilos> hulle papier werk maak nie voorsiening vir parte omruil nie
[06:00] <Kilos> hehe
[06:00] <bduk> Ek is erg alergies vir die verkeer
[06:01] <Kilos> so of ek ry of betaal korier vir 2 trips
[06:01] <Kilos> my sus ook, ek moes mooi soebat
[06:02] <bduk> Maar sterkte in elk geval en mooi ry
[06:02] <Kilos> dankie sal so maak
[06:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning all
[06:15] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy  
[06:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: buy online, takealot delivers for orders over R250
[06:17] <Kilos> will look at them for next buy, ty
[06:17] <SDCDev> hoekom praad julle 'n taal wat mense nie verstaan nie?
[06:17] <Kilos> what do they do if a drive is faulty
[06:18] <Kilos> still jy man
[06:18] <SDCDev> google translate ftw
[06:18] <Kilos> jy ken van dit ook
[06:18] <SDCDev> ja ke praad kak''' ek's lief vir afrikaans
[06:18] <Kilos> hi SDCDev  
[06:18] <SDCDev> hi Kilos
[06:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: http://www.takealot.com/help/exchange-return-policy
[06:18] <Kilos> ty ThatGraemeGuy  
[06:19] <SDCDev> my ex gf's gran used to call afrikaans "the cancer of the throat language"
[06:19] <Kilos> hahaha
[06:19] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy  they look good. will look at them for sure
[06:56] <Squirm> ThatGraemeGuy: do you get to use their lovely little backbone?
[06:57] <Squirm> do they have a backbone? Or just a fairly decent connection?
[07:01] <Kilos> hi gremble  
[07:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> Squirm: eh?
[07:15] <Squirm> at work... What sort of internet connection do you have?
[07:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> ah
[07:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> its complicated
[07:16] <Kilos> fast one
[07:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> our data centres are on a 10Gbps fibre thing from EOS Network Solutions primarily, with backup connectivity via IS should there be some issue, which is pretty rare. failover is completely seamless if it does need to happen
[07:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> and then our office has a wireless link into one of the DCs
[07:17] <Squirm> so you're limited to the speed of your wireless network
[07:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> 30Mbps I think, but we are moving into new offices gradually starting this weekend and that has a 100Mbps fibre link into the DC with wireless as a backup
[07:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> pretty much
[07:19] <Squirm> ThatGraemeGuy: then invest in these ;)
[07:19] <Squirm> http://www.ubnt.com/broadband/#airfiber:hardware
[07:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> we are moving, the new place has 100Mbps fibre
[07:19] <Squirm> although they're fairly expensive :/ Probably cheaper to run 100mb Fiber :P 
[07:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah
[07:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> especially since it isn't internet service over fibre like you'd get from neotel or whoever
[07:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> its just a point-to-point link from bellville to newlands
[07:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/3821545933
[07:20] <Squirm> ThatGraemeGuy: so is that. It's just a PtP link
[07:21] <Squirm> ThatGraemeGuy: where are your offices?
[07:21] <ThatGraemeGuy> yes, but fibre isn't susceptible to nearly as much external influence as wifi
[07:21] <Squirm> Bellville?
[07:21] <ThatGraemeGuy> currently durbanville, moving to bellville
[07:21] <Squirm> ah
[07:21] <ThatGraemeGuy> starting to move some people this weekend, but my team moves next friday
[07:22] <Squirm> we run fibre throughout the school.
[07:22] <Squirm> just brought in 1.4km of 24core
[07:22] <charl> good morning
[07:22] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[07:22]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[07:22] <Squirm> mainly for the lightning issues we have :/
[07:23] <Squirm> mainly 100mbit, but we're moving some of the bigger links to 1000mbit
[07:23] <Squirm> slowly
[07:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> no lightning worries down this side of the world thankfully :)
[07:24] <Squirm> we lose a lot to lightning. but we restrict it with fibre
[07:24] <Squirm> so we lose a switch and maybe 3/4 network cards, hopefully not the computers attached to them
[07:24] <Squirm> and sometimes even a projector or two :/
[07:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> aren't there lightning protection devices that solve all that?
[07:24] <Squirm> happens about two times during summer :/
[07:24] <Squirm> ThatGraemeGuy: in the process of getting our buildings earthed properly
[07:25] <Squirm> it's bad...
[07:25] <Squirm> nice tin roof
[07:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah sounds like a huge hassle
[07:25] <Squirm> corrugated iron
[07:25] <Squirm> but it's costly
[07:25] <Squirm> so it's being held off
[07:25] <Squirm> :/
[07:25] <Squirm> http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/3821548889
[07:26] <Squirm> oh dear that's poor. but in the evening(when the pupils have no internet), I can get up to 11/12
[07:26] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[07:26] <Squirm> upload goes up to about 1...
[07:27] <Squirm> I think by the time I get to Cape Town, we should have 20mbit fibre and 20mbit VDSL in my new office
[07:27] <Squirm> ^^
[07:27] <Squirm> VDSL failover
[07:27] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[07:27] <Maaz> charl: Sure
[07:28] <charl> 20mbps fibre? what is that, shouldn't you at least be getting 100mbps?
[07:28] <charl> we run a 100gbps circuit between buildings where i work
[07:36] <Squirm> charl: I wish
[07:36] <Squirm> not really needed though
[07:36] <Squirm> Hetzner hosts the website :P
[07:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> no vdsl on my exchange yet
[07:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> although too expensive to consider anyway
[07:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> there was mention on mybb a while ago that telkom were considering making 4Mbps the entry level for ADSL
[07:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> that will suit me just fine
[08:00] <Kilos> wbb later, going now
[08:00] <Kilos> Maaz  watch them
[08:00] <Maaz> OK Kilos I'll keep an eye on them for you
[08:22] <Trixar_za> It annoys me when people mistake Linux hackers for script kiddies or h4x0rs.
[08:24] <charl> the term hacker has now gotten so watered down there is no such thing imho
[08:25] <charl> it's like cloud, what is it these days
[08:25] <charl> ask 10 people and get at least 8 different answers
[08:25] <magespawn> good morning all
[08:25] <charl> hey magespawn 
[08:25] <charl> how's it going
[08:27] <Trixar_za> When I say it and mean it, it's normally a programmer of exceptional skill that can appreciate the hack value of code - as in, the elegant or concise way it solves a problem.
[08:27] <magespawn> hi charl 
[08:27] <magespawn> good and you?
[08:27] <Trixar_za> I do not mean it like the media does - which if you haven't guessed is run by people that barely do research - if at all - and publish things from the maximum outrage effect.
[08:29] <Trixar_za> There is no such thing as black hat or white hat - there is only grey - and that's just because they're suited hackers hired of the express purpose of testing and optimizing security.
[08:29] <magespawn> Trixar_za, i tend to use in the way of somebody who likes to tinker with things and change the way they work, explore the limits of what tools can do etc
[08:31] <Trixar_za> It's a broad term. But if you mean it's somebody that breaks into systems for fun - that's a security penetration expert at best and a wannabe pre-created tool using h4x0r or what we call crackers.
[08:31] <magespawn> like the guy who built a automated coffee machine with an arduino
[08:31] <magespawn> yup indeed
[08:31] <gremble> o/
[08:31] <Trixar_za> Yeah, I'd call that an ingenious and elegant hack :P
[08:32] <Trixar_za> Especially because I'm craving coffee right now
[08:32] <Trixar_za> Hi gremble
[08:32] <charl> magespawn: i'm good
[08:33] <gremble> I just got my github student pack. I am excited :P
[08:34] <charl> gremble: pic or it didn't happen :D
[08:34] <Trixar_za> What's that?
[08:34] <gremble> https://education.github.com/pack
[08:35] <charl> Trixar_za: i guess there is a type of a hacker identity but i call it an identity crisis more than an identity
[08:36] <charl> Trixar_za: getting interested in something, learning more about it and doing cool things with it doesn't need any term other than hobbiest/enthusiast
[08:36] <magespawn> hi gremble 
[08:36] <charl> Trixar_za: when i go to job interviews and i *always* get the dumb question about what i do in my free time, i just say i hobby with computers
[08:36] <charl> Trixar_za: i don't tell them i'm a "hacker" or a whatever for me i'm just hobbying
[08:36] <charl> for that same matter, you can be a "hacker" in any subject, not only computers
[08:36] <Trixar_za> I don't either, but that's just because of the negative reaction
[08:37] <Trixar_za> Hell, just tell some people I use Linux already makes them think I break into systems for fun >.>
[08:37] <charl> yeah but that's also just plain dumb and people who don't really know/understand IT
[08:37] <charl> just point out to them they are using linux every single time they use their android phone
[08:38] <charl> linux is only half an operating system in any case without any shell, android adds the shell part
[08:38] <charl> gnu/linux of course is a complete operating system where gnu is the shell
[08:38] <Trixar_za> I also have to call it "Lie-nox" instead of "Lin-nix" so they'd understand me :P
[08:39] <charl> in dutch we pronounce it "linneyks" i guess that just depends on the language
[08:40] <Trixar_za> I watched the video of Linus pronouncing it himself - been using that pronunciation ever since. I also pronounce TeX correctly, which is also a little annoying with people that call it Tex.
[08:40] <charl> actually we pronounce it more like "ley-nuhks"
[08:40] <charl> sorry i don't know phonetic symbols :D
[08:41] <Trixar_za> Yeah, phonetics is hard :P
[08:41] <charl> need to learn it some time
[08:41] <charl> i always see it on the wikipedia and it says me nothing
[08:42] <Trixar_za> I have learned the one thing nobody ever tells you or teaches you is to know when to reply and when to swallow your words.
[08:47] <Squirm> http://mybroadband.co.za/news/broadband/111594-rage-is-internet-usage-already-over-2tb.html
[08:55] <charl> Trixar_za: ??
[08:55] <charl> Squirm: nice !!
[08:55] <Squirm> charl: yeah, I would like that...
[08:55] <Squirm> and I would like to be at the expo
[09:23] <magespawn> okay, peer does not like me today
[10:57]  * Kilos scrolls
[10:58] <Kilos> afternoon all
[11:01] <gremble> Good afternoon Kilos 
[12:33] <charl> hi Kilos 
[12:33] <charl> how are you this afternoon
[13:26] <Kilos> sorry just woke. head bad
[13:26] <Kilos> bumping inna car musta made it worse
[13:33] <bushtech_> methinks soting out that HD gonna give you another headache :)
[13:34] <Kilos> aw no dont say that bushtech_  , i have the new one here just need the energy to install the thing
[13:35] <bushtech_> but don't you want to migrate some data across?
[13:35] <Kilos> across where?
[13:36] <bushtech_> that's the headache I'm talking about
[13:36] <bushtech_> from the old drive?
[13:36] <Kilos> na thats the fun part
[13:36] <bushtech_> heh, famous last words
[13:36] <bushtech_> btdt
[13:36] <Kilos> i use rsync to backup home then reverse it on clean installs
[13:37] <bushtech_> ah ok
[13:37] <bushtech_> I went and bought a drive copier
[13:37] <Kilos> on unity i use deja-dup
[13:37] <bushtech_> much simpler
[13:38] <Kilos> very good backup toll 
[13:38] <bushtech_> good to know
[13:38] <bushtech_> raining your side yet?
[13:38] <Kilos> nope just very windy
[13:39] <bushtech_> same NE
[13:39] <Kilos> maybe storm tonight
[13:40] <bushtech_> yep, hoping for some rain
[13:40] <Kilos> drive copier?
[13:40] <Kilos> what did you buy
[13:40] <Kilos> linux has clone commands
[13:41] <bushtech_> it's a box that takes 2 hd's & can copy 1 drive to another
[13:42] <Kilos> sjoe die engelse is slim ne
[13:42] <bushtech_> can take big or small drives
[13:42] <Kilos> dont they have to be same size drives
[13:43] <bushtech_> havent noticed that it matters
[13:44] <bushtech_> yeah, with clonezilla you have to jump through a couple hoops if sizes differ
[13:46] <Kilos> you use it for windows drives?
[13:47] <Kilos> rsync does wonders on ubuntu
[13:47] <Kilos> rsync archives then no need to download everything for upgrading
[13:47] <Kilos> and /home makes new drive same as old one was
[13:48] <Kilos> the pro rsyncs a couple more things as well
[13:48] <bushtech_> mostly linux drives
[13:48] <Kilos> sjoe
[13:48] <Kilos> you got too much money man
[13:49] <bushtech_> No, just got tired of the rigmarole
[13:49] <Kilos> inetpro  afternoon, what all do you rsync 
[13:49] <Kilos> rsync is fast man
[13:49] <bushtech_> when lightning visits you every now and then
[13:50] <Kilos> you can rsync about everything i think
[13:50] <bushtech_> you end up with a lot of drives that might still work
[13:50] <Kilos> eina
[13:53] <Kilos> i spose i should get started
[13:54] <Kilos> bushtech_  you must look at testdisk foremost and scalpel for revovering data off bad drives
[13:54] <bushtech_> go for it/no time like the present, etc
[13:54] <Kilos> i have a blog about it somewhere still i think with the commands
[13:55] <bushtech_> will do kilos, thanks
[13:55] <Kilos> lemme boot up other kde pc
[13:55] <Kilos> i have recovered data and photos and stuff off drives that have been formatted a few times
[13:56] <bushtech_> sounds promising
[13:57] <Kilos> wonderfull tools
[13:58] <Kilos> only if you save what it finds its all numbered files so i try make it write what it finds to original drive or spend hours renaming files
[14:00] <bushtech> wth
[14:00] <Kilos> the wind blew you away
[14:01] <bushtech> lol
[14:01] <Kilos> and i joined here from other pc
[14:01] <bushtech> still connected to same tower so tower hasn't blown away
[14:02] <Kilos> haha
[14:02] <bushtech> and yagi is still there
[14:02] <Kilos> lol
[14:31] <Kilos> oi
[14:31] <Kilos> wrong release on stick
[14:31] <Kilos> email addy very fitting
[14:46] <Kilos> inetpro  maybe maak planne om huis toe te gaan, ek hoor al donderweer
[14:46] <Kilos> dit bou groot op hierdiekant
[15:16] <Kilos> lovely smooth install, busy rsyncing archives
[16:17] <Kilos> wbb need modem