| Unit193 | https://unit193.net/xubuntu/es/ln-idp35527212.html so nope. Alright, seems fine. | 00:00 |
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| bluesabre | yay, we were productive :) | 00:03 |
| * bluesabre high fives Unit193 | 00:05 | |
| Unit193 | :P | 00:07 |
| ochosi | Unit193: i've heard about that hamster, guess i'll have to take a look to see what it is all about | 09:41 |
| ochosi | bbl | 09:43 |
| knome | so, looked at refreshing the mirror list on the download page with lyz yesterday | 12:20 |
| knome | http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-mirrors | 12:20 |
| knome | there's a draft email, and a proposal of the new mirror list | 12:20 |
| knome | comments are welcome | 12:21 |
| elfy | looks ok to me - I assume you'll not be sending the xx :) | 12:24 |
| knome | hehe, nope :) | 12:24 |
| elfy | :) | 12:24 |
| knome | just a placeholder for whoever sends the mail | 12:25 |
| elfy | imo should probably come from XPL | 12:26 |
| knome | i don't think that's necessary, but we could CC simon if we want it to be more official | 12:29 |
| elfy | yep - not that bothered - was just a comment :) | 12:30 |
| ochosi | feel free to send it, i agree that it's not necessary that i do that | 12:30 |
| knome | yeah | 12:30 |
| ochosi | otherwise i'd have to take care of all "official" business, and what would the other team leads be good for then :> | 12:30 |
| knome | yeah | 12:30 |
| knome | or other team members | 12:30 |
| knome | that's exactly what i tried to communicate when i was XPL - we can/should share the workload | 12:31 |
| ochosi | yup | 12:31 |
| knome | and people need to get privileges (with reponsibility of course) | 12:31 |
| ochosi | hierarchies should never be in the way of getting stuff done | 12:31 |
| knome | absolutely | 12:32 |
| knome | or drag getting them done | 12:32 |
| elfy | here's something that people can share the workload for | 12:33 |
| elfy | http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker | 12:33 |
| elfy | on a slightly more serious note - can anyone think of a reason to bother calling next week? | 12:34 |
| ochosi | it's not a lot of work to do so and if we stop bothering now, why bother next time? | 12:35 |
| ochosi | basically you can reduce your workload there by recycling a previous email | 12:35 |
| elfy | well - that's probably the point I'm making - why bother next time either | 12:36 |
| knome | elfy, this has been said n time before, but as i see it, it's just the LTS+1 release that is quieter | 12:42 |
| knome | and i agree that we need a better, more structured and supported QA cycle for 15.04 | 12:43 |
| knome | how to achieve more QA results with that is a mystery to me, but we should work on it *somehow* | 12:43 |
| knome | the incentives program is a good start | 12:44 |
| elfy | knome: LTS+1 might well be quieter - that's not a reason for people in -team to not bother - all that does is make whoever is QA lead feel worthless | 12:52 |
| elfy | and quite frankly atm it may well be someone else feeling that way after this cycle | 12:52 |
| elfy | because if QA cannot rely on -team to test - then it's really all rather pointless | 12:53 |
| knome | elfy, i'm not saying it's any reason, or that it can't create negative feelings | 12:53 |
| knome | while i think -team should be there to test if it's needed, i'd just so much rather would change that sentence to "if QA cannot rely on the community testing" | 12:54 |
| elfy | sorry - don't agree | 12:54 |
| knome | because really, the -team already does this and that and in the long run, it's unsustainable to rely on them doing the testing as well | 12:55 |
| knome | note, i'm not saying -team shouldn't do any testing at all | 12:55 |
| elfy | it's team that puts it together and says "Hey, look what we've got for everyone" | 12:55 |
| knome | just that they shouldn't be the ones doing the heavy lifting | 12:55 |
| elfy | knome: from where I stand it should be team + everyone else | 12:55 |
| elfy | 30 minutes at a milestone | 12:56 |
| knome | sure, team should be the group that does the preliminary testing | 12:56 |
| knome | but the team cannot conduct enough testing to be "trustworthy" | 12:56 |
| elfy | that isn't the point | 12:56 |
| knome | and what i mean with that is that if 10 people test an OS and it works with them, it's by no means enough to know that there aren't critical bugs | 12:57 |
| elfy | and if it is the point then we should not mark 14.10 as ready for release as it's been tested by 3 or 4 people as far as I can tell | 12:57 |
| knome | i know it's not the main point, but it's something that we have to keep in mind | 12:57 |
| knome | elfy, that's fair to say. | 12:57 |
| knome | elfy, otoh, other flavors (or ubuntu desktop!) aren't tested by many more people (at least generally, i don't have the exact statistics for this cycle) | 12:58 |
| knome | elfy, what's the level of testing you would expect from team? | 13:00 |
| knome | elfy, one test per milestone per member? | 13:00 |
| knome | elfy, and would that be a reason to expire members from the -team? | 13:01 |
| knome | i'm asking this because if we want to create any (even loose) rules, we have to have some kind of goal in our head | 13:02 |
| elfy | ubuntu desktop has the full weight of all the auto testing and a bunch of people working on it | 13:02 |
| elfy | not sure why you'd include that - and tbh I don't care much about other flavours | 13:03 |
| knome | that's a great asset, but even if we had the automated testing, we'd still need to do manual tests | 13:03 |
| knome | i'm just doing a comparison | 13:03 |
| elfy | and as far as team is concerned - if I've actually had to go out of my way to ask team seperately - then to not do so is just ignoring me | 13:03 |
| elfy | which is what happened | 13:04 |
| knome | of course it's not great to compare with other products that are as "badly" tested, but it proves something | 13:04 |
| knome | but what's the level of testing we are expecting from the team? | 13:04 |
| elfy | when asked is probably a good place to start | 13:04 |
| knome | one test when asked? | 13:04 |
| knome | or fill in the blanks when asked? | 13:05 |
| elfy | well I've tried both | 13:05 |
| elfy | got the same result | 13:06 |
| knome | no, i mean when you ask the team to test | 13:06 |
| knome | what do you expect them to do? run a test per person? or run all the tests that are still not done? | 13:06 |
| elfy | run at least one | 13:06 |
| knome | or run as many tests as they can? | 13:06 |
| elfy | and report things if they have - we've got one I saw saying they'd installed \o/ | 13:07 |
| elfy | not reporting it though | 13:07 |
| knome | that's a different problem, and with that i completely agree | 13:08 |
| elfy | I'll say more at the beginning of next cycle probably | 13:08 |
| knome | http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-qa-v-cycle | 13:08 |
| GridCube | :D 97% of the spanish translatio of docs is done, the last 20 lines need review | 13:10 |
| GridCube | :) | 13:10 |
| slickymasterWork | grate work GridCube, thanks for that | 13:13 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: re https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightdm-gtk-greeter/+bug/1379710 | 13:18 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 1379710 in LightDM GTK+ Greeter "Guest login not available with hide-users" [Undecided,New] | 13:18 |
| bluesabre | Maybe we can consider adding a "Guest Login" button on the left or something? | 13:18 |
| elfy | bluesabre: why is that when you add some package that it just gets added to the bottom of whatever sub-menu it ends up in? | 13:20 |
| knome | elfy, you might want to join the pad :) | 13:20 |
| bluesabre | limitation of xdg menus | 13:21 |
| bluesabre | if you choose a specific order, it keeps that and everything gets appended | 13:21 |
| elfy | knome: I'm too depressed about the whole thing to join anything but a band of travelling minstrels wandering the wilds of Siberia wearing only a loin cloth ... | 13:21 |
| knome | bluesabre, but since you can move it manually, shouldn't menulibre take care about that? | 13:21 |
| elfy | bluesabre: ok - thanks | 13:21 |
| bluesabre | I'm going to fix that a bit in the next menulibre | 13:21 |
| bluesabre | knome: menulibre only runs when menulibre is running :) | 13:22 |
| knome | oh | 13:22 |
| knome | :P | 13:22 |
| knome | elfy, i'm honestly trying to help with it, but sure, take your time | 13:22 |
| elfy | bluesabre: I never really noticed before - just added Abiword back and did notice - it not being at the top :) | 13:22 |
| elfy | knome: I know :) | 13:22 |
| bluesabre | elfy: the menulibre in v is going to do several things better, and have a nice revert menu ;) | 13:22 |
| knome | elfy, but if you can look at it sometime before the V cycle, that'd be nice :) | 13:22 |
| elfy | oooh - that sounds nice bluesabre :) | 13:23 |
| knome | i think there are still a few bugs open .P | 13:23 |
| bluesabre | knome: yeah, mr bug-report-is-really-a-feature-request | 13:23 |
| bluesabre | :P | 13:23 |
| knome | bluesabre, where do you want the feature requests then :P | 13:24 |
| GridCube | slickymaster, there where other documents to translate right? | 13:24 |
| bluesabre | dunno, probably not a better place unless I use a wiki | 13:24 |
| bluesabre | so keep at it | 13:24 |
| elfy | cigarette boxes perhaps - back of :) | 13:24 |
| knome | at least the bug tracker supports wishlist as an importance.. | 13:24 |
| bluesabre | yEAH | 13:25 |
| bluesabre | dang | 13:25 |
| knome | :D | 13:25 |
| slickymasterWork | GridCube -> http://pastebin.com/sfGcRQ9B | 13:28 |
| GridCube | k, thanks slickymasterWork :) | 13:29 |
| slickymasterWork | no | 13:29 |
| slickymasterWork | s/no/np GridCube | 13:30 |
| GridCube | hehehe :) | 13:31 |
| elfy | knome: dude - stop second guessing me :p | 13:31 |
| knome | oops :P | 13:31 |
| elfy | :) | 13:32 |
| slickymasterWork | ah ah ah | 13:32 |
| slickymasterWork | it's stronger than him elfy ;) | 13:32 |
| knome | thanks slickymasterWork ;) | 13:39 |
| * slickymasterWork rejoices (first time he ever caught the grammar police) ;) | 13:41 | |
| knome | lol | 13:44 |
| slickymasterWork | ;) | 13:44 |
| knosys | hello | 14:21 |
| elfy | hi knosys | 14:23 |
| knosys | hi! i am joining by trying to add some Spanish translations for Xubuntu documentation, if i can help you guys in whatever just ask and i will be happy helping in what i can | 14:28 |
| slickymasterWork | knosys, as I told you before on -offtopic, just pick one from http://pastebin.com/sfGcRQ9B, and start translating | 14:30 |
| knosys | Yes, I am on that. Im downloading documentation and getting familiarized with how user's post their suggestions | 14:32 |
| knome | knosys, you don't need to download the documentation to do translations | 14:35 |
| knome | knosys, or to look at it – it's shipped with every xubuntu release | 14:35 |
| knome | apart from some small changes, the body of text is exactly the same in 14.04 than what it will be oin 14.10 | 14:36 |
| knosys | Oh then i will just switch my OS language | 14:40 |
| knome | ...what exactly are you looking for in the documentation? | 14:44 |
| knome | bbl | 14:49 |
| knosys | Well, there are pieces of translation that i would like to see more in detail. For example. "rm" . And thats all. So i ask myself: 'rm' what? The command? a description? What? | 14:53 |
| knosys | But that is all info i see, and later on the suggestions for translation's that users have submited | 14:54 |
| slickymasterWork | knosys, I would advise you to go to the document as is now and see the line for yourself in its context | 14:56 |
| knosys | Thats it slickymasterWork | 14:57 |
| slickymasterWork | :) | 14:58 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: yeah, i guess we'd have to add an extra button or something | 22:52 |
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