| holstein | roninn: i use remmina and vino typically.. but, i would do the normal stuff.. test the server locally.. try other servers clients.. check you settings.. does the connection work locally? | 01:41 |
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| xubuntu46w | Hello World! Please help me,i have Ubuntu 14.04 LTS,new kernel 3.17 and problems install VMware Player Free.Help. | 05:51 |
| Churuya-san | When I leave my computer for a while and don't touch anything, it goes back to the login screen without loging out. I need to type in my password to get back to what I was doing. Why? | 07:22 |
| elfy | light locker set to lock at screensaver - check the settings | 07:24 |
| Churuya-san | That fixed it. Thank you! | 07:29 |
| elfy | welcome :) | 07:30 |
| Churuya-san | Or at least.... I think it fixed it! There was an option for a locker and I disable it. | 07:31 |
| elfy | time will tell - I can't remember what old versions had exactly | 07:32 |
| lionroars | Does Xubuntu have a Calculator app ? | 08:40 |
| * Church wouldn't care, as i'm used in most unices running in console bc utility. Usually with switch like bc -l | 08:44 | |
| Church | imho it's preferable to get into habbits using what's for sure to be everywhere .. | 08:44 |
| lionroars | Church, Is Xubuntu completely free ? | 09:13 |
| Wollie88 | lionroars, free as in beer or free as in freedom ? | 09:15 |
| lionroars | Free/Libre ? | 09:15 |
| lionroars | Free as in Freedom | 09:15 |
| Wollie88 | lionroars, no it isnt | 09:16 |
| lionroars | which part? | 09:16 |
| lionroars | What if I use only Main and Universe Repo ? | 09:16 |
| Wollie88 | there propriatary software in the main repo | 09:17 |
| === lionroars is now known as rawr | ||
| === rawr is now known as rawrr | ||
| === rawrr is now known as roars | ||
| === roars is now known as lionroars | ||
| Wollie88 | lionroars, if you want to go full libre you could go debian | 09:18 |
| lionroars | Wollie88, but it says main repo if fully opensource | 09:21 |
| lionroars | is Ubuntu cheating on us ? | 09:21 |
| Wollie88 | lionroars, if they say it is, then i was wrong | 09:22 |
| lionroars | Wollie88, Which software is non-free in main repo | 09:22 |
| Wollie88 | lionroars, i dont know i thought i read it somewhere. Might be mistaken | 09:22 |
| lionroars | Wollie88, ok but why don't you check it out again ? | 09:32 |
| bazhang | !info vrms | 09:33 |
| ubottu | vrms (source: vrms): virtual Richard M. Stallman. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.16 (trusty), package size 11 kB, installed size 77 kB | 09:34 |
| bazhang | install that and run it lionroars ^ | 09:34 |
| lionroars | bazhang, but it do not check the non-free stuff in the kernel | 09:35 |
| lionroars | I would use jxself's kernel | 09:35 |
| lionroars | i Mean linux-libre with Ubuntu | 09:35 |
| lionroars | xubuntu* | 09:35 |
| bazhang | lionroars, are you asking if xubuntu is 100% untainted 'free'? | 09:36 |
| bazhang | lionroars, you still there? | 09:37 |
| lionroars | I am here | 09:42 |
| lionroars | yep I am asking that only | 09:42 |
| lionroars | bazhang, I am here | 09:42 |
| bazhang | it's not, no | 09:42 |
| bazhang | contact the fsf if you wish to know of one. try #fsf | 09:42 |
| lionroars | bazhang, I am a full time Trisquel user only | 09:44 |
| lionroars | but the problem is that Intel haswell drivers would not work with Trisquel 7 | 09:44 |
| lionroars | it is broken | 09:44 |
| lionroars | no 3d support at all | 09:44 |
| bazhang | lionroars, sorry thats not on topic for here. | 09:44 |
| Wollie88 | debian without the non-free repos is fully free | 09:44 |
| Wollie88 | you might get that to work | 09:45 |
| lionroars | Wollie88, I know that, but only Ubuntu/Fedora is supported for Intel Haswell Graphics | 09:45 |
| bazhang | lionroars, try trisquel support , or #xubuntu-offtopic | 09:45 |
| bazhang | /msg alis list *trisquel* to find their channel lionroars | 09:45 |
| lionroars | bazhang, ok | 09:46 |
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| ghkrft | hello ppl | 11:42 |
| ghkrft | greetings | 11:42 |
| knome | hello | 11:42 |
| ghkrft | I installed Xubuntu 14.04.1 and updated to the latest kernel and installed Synaptics and found Ubuntu Software Center is gone, any fix? | 11:43 |
| knome | no reason why it would be gone | 11:44 |
| ghkrft | I searched Ubuntu Software Center on the menu bar but nothing show up. I downloaded a deb package and double click it, the archive manager shows up. | 11:45 |
| ghkrft | It would be Ubuntu Software Center, now it is gone. | 11:45 |
| ghkrft | I updated to Kernel version 3.17.0-031700-generic | 11:45 |
| knome | what does 'apt-cache policy software-center' in terminal say | 11:46 |
| ghkrft | Installed: (none) | 11:46 |
| ghkrft | Candidate: 13.10-0ubuntu4.1 | 11:46 |
| ghkrft | Version table: | 11:46 |
| ghkrft | 13.10-0ubuntu4.1 0 | 11:46 |
| ghkrft | 500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ trusty-updates/main amd64 Packages | 11:46 |
| ghkrft | 13.10-0ubuntu4 0 | 11:46 |
| ghkrft | 500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ trusty/main amd64 Pack | 11:47 |
| knome | !pastebin | ghkrft | 11:47 |
| ubottu | ghkrft: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imgur.com/ !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. | 11:47 |
| knome | ^ for the future | 11:47 |
| ghkrft | OK | 11:47 |
| ghkrft | my mistake | 11:47 |
| knome | in terminal, run 'sudo apt-get install software-center' | 11:47 |
| knome | and see what that says | 11:47 |
| ghkrft | My first time using IRC | 11:47 |
| knome | ultimately, it should simply reinstall software center | 11:47 |
| ghkrft | Is this caused by installing Synaptic package manager that deleted software center? | 11:50 |
| knome | ghkrft, no, afaik they shouldn't conflict. | 11:50 |
| ghkrft | Thanks man it is back. | 11:50 |
| knome | ghkrft, if they do, the last command will say that synaptic would be removed | 11:50 |
| knome | but i see no reason why it would | 11:50 |
| knome | no problem, enjoy | 11:50 |
| ghkrft | I only installed Synaptic package manager and updated the kernel. I don`t remember removing the software center. | 11:51 |
| knome | haven't heard of a similar problem before, and if many people do not start reporting that, then *shrug* :) | 11:52 |
| ghkrft | And one more issue. I got low sound from the Headphone which has a EAPD node. | 11:52 |
| knome | but of course good that you have USC back | 11:52 |
| knome | every output device basically has its own volume level | 11:54 |
| knome | meaning, when you plug headphones in, the volume level is reverted to what it was the last time you used them | 11:54 |
| knome | so maybe as the first thing check what pavucontrol (pulseaudio volume control) says about the volume level when you have those plugged in | 11:54 |
| ghkrft | No it is extremely low despite I slide to the max volume. | 11:55 |
| knome | then i don't know very much about the issue | 11:55 |
| ghkrft | Check here. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/1357724 | 11:56 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 1357724 in alsa-driver (Ubuntu) "Extremely low volume from HP, also skipping and distorted voice" [Undecided,New] | 11:56 |
| ghkrft | I was told to try this patch below, but I dunno how to apply it.https://bugzilla.kernel.org/attachment.cgi?id=148981&action=diff#a/sound/pci/hda/patch_realtek.c_sec2 | 11:57 |
| ghkrft | Should I download a kernel source and add the lines? | 11:57 |
| ghkrft | And then compile and install? | 11:58 |
| knome | somehing along the lines, but aiui, you'd "only" have to build one module | 11:58 |
| ghkrft | Yes, there two options | 11:59 |
| knome | if you are comfortable doing that, then do it, otherwise, wait for another answer from the developer(s) | 12:00 |
| ghkrft | I was told to try them. | 12:00 |
| ghkrft | No more response from the bug I submitted. | 12:00 |
| ghkrft | Is that possible to apply the patch directly to the kernel? | 12:01 |
| knome | you can post a follow-up to the bug, i think it's fair after a month of silence | 12:01 |
| knome | no, i don't think so | 12:01 |
| ghkrft | Do I have to download from source and apply the patch? | 12:02 |
| knome | that's how i understand it | 12:02 |
| ghkrft | Ok then thanks. | 12:05 |
| knome | good luck | 12:06 |
| xubuntu85o | I think I know the answer to my question but I want to double-check. I am running Xubuntu 12.04 and I'm notified that Ubuntu 14.04 is available. If I run the update, will I get Xubuntu 14.04 or Ubuntu 14.04? I think the answer is Xubuntu 14.04. The labeling is kind of confusing. Thanks | 13:35 |
| slickymasterWork | did you installed Xubuntu 12.04 originally xubuntu85o? or did you installed the xubuntu destop package on top of Ubuntu 12.04? | 13:37 |
| xubuntu85o | Xubuntu 12.04 was what I installed originally. I've been happy with it and I like the LTS factor too. | 13:38 |
| slickymasterWork | being that xubuntu85o, you'll get Xubuntu 14.04 when you upgrade | 13:40 |
| xubuntu85o | Ok, I'll let it rip. I'm studying for my LPIC certification so I've been working on it a lot. Thanks for the quick response. | 13:41 |
| slickymasterWork | np xubuntu85o | 13:43 |
| slickymasterWork | happy xubuntuing | 13:43 |
| xubuntu889 | ciao a tutti... | 15:11 |
| xubuntu889 | ah pensavo fosse un chan italiano... | 15:11 |
| xubuntu889 | uhm | 15:11 |
| elfy | !it | 15:12 |
| ubottu | Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie! (per entrare, scrivi « /join #ubuntu-it » senza virgolette) | 15:12 |
| elfy | :) | 15:12 |
| xubuntu889 | ok thanks :) | 15:12 |
| elfy | welcome | 15:13 |
| recon_lap | got a question, compiling pcb2gcode and I'm missing libgtkmm , as this is a gnome lib should I just install it and continue or try something else? | 15:16 |
| nomic | got 14.04 out of the box here -- installed ubuntu-restricted extras & no sound - video plays too fast in youtube (?) any ideas? | 15:20 |
| nomic | never seen anything like that .. video is skipping ahead jumping seconds | 15:20 |
| holstein | nomic: youtube uses flash.. make sure you are using the latest version of flash that is *only* available to linux from the chrome browser.. or, opt into html5.. | 15:21 |
| holstein | http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/ | 15:21 |
| recon_lap | ok, libgtkmm appears to be the wrong package (No package 'gdkmm-2.4' found) | 15:21 |
| holstein | if that is how you are testing the audio, i would try different flash for that as well.. | 15:22 |
| holstein | the restricted extras version of flash is behind on what youtube officially supports.. | 15:23 |
| nomic | i just went to flash plugin check page and it says up to date | 15:24 |
| holstein | nomic: sure.. its "up to date" with what is available to linux | 15:24 |
| holstein | nomic: which, if you reference http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/ , you will see is behind current | 15:25 |
| nomic | so I should abandon installing "restricted extras" | 15:25 |
| nomic | and install flash manually | 15:25 |
| holstein | nomic: you will note, main linux gets 11.2.. and chrome gets 15 | 15:25 |
| holstein | nomic: there is no "should" friend.. adobe and youtube *should* support linux.. but, they are not | 15:26 |
| holstein | nomic: if you are experiencing issues with flash content, try the latest version of flash | 15:26 |
| nomic | ok | 15:26 |
| holstein | !info pepperflashplugin-nonfree | 15:27 |
| ubottu | pepperflashplugin-nonfree (source: pepperflashplugin-nonfree): Pepper Flash Player - browser plugin. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.3ubuntu1 (trusty), package size 9 kB, installed size 65 kB (Only available for i386; amd64) | 15:27 |
| holstein | you can either install chrome (not chromium) from the google site, which comes with current flash, or you can install pepperflashplugin-nonfree, which sill get that *same* flash version and make it available to the chromium browser | 15:28 |
| holstein | nomic: or, you can opt into htlm5 https://www.youtube.com/html5 and try that as well | 15:29 |
| nomic | im instlling chrome | 15:29 |
| nomic | still no sound | 15:31 |
| holstein | nomic: do you have sound at all? please dont troubleshoot too many things at once.. close the web browser, and test your audio with a simple known good audio file locally | 15:32 |
| holstein | !audio | 15:32 |
| ubottu | If you're having problems with sound, click the Volume applet, then Sound Preferences, and check your Volume, Hardware, Input, and Output settings. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !players and !mp3. | 15:32 |
| holstein | nomic: check your mixer for mute and keyboard shortcuts for mute.. | 15:32 |
| nomic | i click on alsamixer and I get no controls just S/PDIF ? | 15:32 |
| holstein | nomic: so, do you have *any* sound? | 15:33 |
| nomic | NO | 15:33 |
| holstein | nomic: please, no caps.. it can be mis-interpreted and impatience | 15:34 |
| nomic | was a mistake | 15:34 |
| nomic | I apologise for using caps once | 15:34 |
| holstein | nomic: i would run, in a terminal, "lspci" and see that i see my audio hardware.. then, i would run "aplay -l" and "arecord -l".. you can paste those if you need help parsing the data | 15:35 |
| holstein | !paste | 15:35 |
| ubottu | For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imgur.com/ !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. | 15:35 |
| nomic | ok thanks | 15:35 |
| holstein | i also use pavucontrol, which can have more controls for the audio.. | 15:35 |
| holstein | !info pavucontrol | 15:35 |
| ubottu | pavucontrol (source: pavucontrol): PulseAudio Volume Control. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.0-2 (trusty), package size 111 kB, installed size 962 kB | 15:35 |
| nomic | paste.ubuntu.com is down | 15:38 |
| nomic | pastebin.com/QNnscTs | 15:38 |
| nomic | www.pastebin.com/QNnscTs | 15:38 |
| holstein | http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/paste.ubuntu.com | 15:39 |
| nomic | http://pastebin.com/QNnsctTs | 15:39 |
| nomic | ^ thats the info | 15:39 |
| genii | holstein: It's up from here | 15:39 |
| holstein | genii: right.. its up here as well.. | 15:39 |
| nomic | why not just use pastebin | 15:39 |
| nomic | not here | 15:39 |
| nomic | ok there you go http://paste.ubuntu.com/8533646/ | 15:40 |
| nomic | no audio | 15:40 |
| holstein | nomic: looks like only your hdmi audio is showing up.. | 15:40 |
| nomic | what does that mean | 15:41 |
| nomic | please | 15:41 |
| holstein | nomic: do you have other hardware? did you disable the non-hdmi audio (if there is any) in the bios? | 15:41 |
| nomic | I reset the bios to factory | 15:41 |
| nomic | maybe I should look @ the bios | 15:41 |
| holstein | nomic: hdmi is the little "usb looking" video connector.. it carries both audio and video. or is capable of carrying both | 15:41 |
| nomic | i've got the sound plugged into the earphone plug | 15:42 |
| holstein | nomic: you can see from the command "aplay -l" that *only* hdmi audio is showing up there.. | 15:42 |
| nomic | ok | 15:42 |
| nomic | so hdmi is the _ connector | 15:42 |
| nomic | I've never used anythin other than the earphoen jack | 15:42 |
| holstein | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI | 15:42 |
| holstein | nomic: the "earphone jack" you are referring to is not being presented to you to use by alsa | 15:43 |
| nomic | why not -- maybe its disabled in the bios? | 15:43 |
| holstein | nomic: thats one option yes.. the other, its broken, phyisically.. the device doesnt support linux.. its misconfigured.. etc.. | 15:43 |
| * nomic screams | 15:43 | |
| holstein | i start with hardware, since software wont fix that | 15:44 |
| holstein | if the hardware is broken, for example, you can just waste time trying to address it in software.. so, check the bios, then, try it in whatever operating sysystem the manufacturer promised you they would support.. likely windows.. if it works in windows, then its not physically broken | 15:45 |
| nomic | it worked in windows | 15:45 |
| nomic | heard it | 15:45 |
| holstein | ok.. so, as long as that "it worked in windows" is not so far past-tense that its still relevant, then you can assume the device is not physically broken | 15:45 |
| nomic | yeah it was bios 'integrated audio' --- 'disabled' | 15:45 |
| nomic | cool thanks | 15:46 |
| holstein | nomic: so, thats what i would look at first.. if you are trying to use the inegrated audio, and have it disabled.. enable it, and the audio should "just work"... | 15:46 |
| nomic | prolly fixed it | 15:46 |
| nomic | i reboot | 15:46 |
| holstein | nomic: nothing was broken to fix.. but, that should enable it, yes | 15:46 |
| nomic | 'fixed' in setup | 15:47 |
| nomic | why don't you like pastebin | 15:47 |
| holstein | nomic: i never said, nor meant to imply that. use whatever paste you want.. | 15:47 |
| holstein | nomic: but, ubuntu paste is up here.. | 15:48 |
| nomic | still obscure problem .. going to resinstall with the mp3 thing etc .. sound is going thru but not out | 15:51 |
| nomic | speaker | 15:51 |
| holstein | nomic: ok.. please seperate out your issues | 15:52 |
| holstein | nomic: if you hear audio, you have sound working.. so, thats not a codec issue at all | 15:52 |
| holstein | nomic: reinstalling the "mp3 thing" will only effect that mp3 codec.. the restricted extras package will have all the support you need for mp3 and other codecs.. | 15:52 |
| holstein | !restricted | 15:52 |
| ubottu | For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/ubuntu-help/media.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats | 15:52 |
| nomic | ok | 15:53 |
| nomic | thats it | 15:53 |
| nomic | still need restricted extras | 15:53 |
| nomic | didn't install it | 15:53 |
| holstein | nomic: you can search the repos for "Fluendo" and install the fluendo mp3 codec if you want.. | 15:53 |
| nomic | ok | 15:53 |
| nomic | if I need it | 15:53 |
| holstein | nomic: you need to add *something* to allow mp3 playback | 15:53 |
| holstein | nomic: mp3's dont support xubuntu out of the box | 15:54 |
| nomic | is 'fluendo' in synaptic | 15:54 |
| holstein | nomic: there will be packages available when you search "fluendo".. synaptic is a package manager.. | 15:54 |
| holstein | !info gstreamer0.10-fluendo-mp3 | 15:55 |
| ubottu | gstreamer0.10-fluendo-mp3 (source: gst-fluendo-mp3): Fluendo mp3 decoder GStreamer 0.10 plugin. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.10.23.debian-3 (trusty), package size 101 kB, installed size 266 kB | 15:55 |
| holstein | so, "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.10-fluendo-mp3", or search in synaptic, or however you manage your packages | 15:56 |
| nomic | was that, in the bios .. why would a bios factory reset turn the sound off .. no idea | 16:25 |
| Alftand | hello | 16:45 |
| Alftand | is anyone online | 16:45 |
| Alftand | well... | 16:45 |
| Alftand | at the keyboard | 16:45 |
| baptism_ | hey | 16:45 |
| Alftand | hi | 16:45 |
| baptism_ | attendence isnt perfect around here | 16:45 |
| Alftand | im struggling with my desktop | 16:45 |
| Alftand | lol | 16:45 |
| slickymasterWork | !hi | Alftand | 16:45 |
| ubottu | Alftand: Hi!, Welcome to #xubuntu! Feel free to ask questions and help people out. The channel guidelines are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines. Enjoy your stay! | 16:45 |
| baptism_ | whats the problem? | 16:46 |
| Alftand | how do i assign a different icon to a desktop file | 16:46 |
| Alftand | in this instance minecraft.jar | 16:46 |
| Alftand | i wanna assign the minecraft logo icon to it | 16:47 |
| Alftand | but i dont know how | 16:47 |
| Alftand | im too new to xfce | 16:47 |
| Alftand | hello? | 16:48 |
| baptism_ | honestly, i don't know | 16:48 |
| Alftand | anyone else know | 16:48 |
| Alftand | ...tumbleweed rolls by... | 16:48 |
| baptism_ | might be easiest just to create a launcher and link to the jar | 16:49 |
| baptism_ | put minecraft in a folder somwhere, right click on your desktop and create launcher | 16:50 |
| baptism_ | theres an icon option in the creator dialog | 16:51 |
| Alftand | how do i link the launcher to the application? | 16:52 |
| Alftand | # | 16:53 |
| Alftand | ... | 16:53 |
| baptism_ | click on the browse icon and locate the executable | 16:55 |
| GridCube | Alftand, go to >new element >launcher >add, new launcher is created at the end of the panel. right clic the new launcher and go to properties >clic the white sheet with a green plus> in name type Minecraft, in command type java -jar /path/to/Minecraft.jar >clic no icon, go to "image files", search your icon, save everything | 16:56 |
| Alftand | thx | 16:57 |
| Alftand | legend | 16:57 |
| Alftand | :-) | 16:57 |
| Alftand | thats going on my mousepad "list of useful commands to know" :-) | 16:57 |
| GridCube | :/ i can't right clic on my desktop and its no showing stuff that should be there http://i.imgur.com/lEUjtSr.png | 16:59 |
| Alftand | it sounds like a basic solution but you could try a reboot | 17:01 |
| Alftand | or using task manager to kill xfdesktop | 17:02 |
| GridCube | D: running xfdesktop fixed things | 17:02 |
| Alftand | all better | 17:02 |
| GridCube | why is not xfdesktop running by default... what did id id | 17:02 |
| GridCube | did | 17:02 |
| Alftand | you could put a launcher in the taskbar with the command: xfdesktop | 17:03 |
| Alftand | so whenever you boot you can just click it | 17:04 |
| Alftand | and the desktop will work | 17:04 |
| Alftand | GridCube, i hope this helps, if not, just let me know :-) | 17:05 |
| elfy | Alftand: just as a fyi here - if you have something that you want to run each boot - you can add those in Session & Startup - Application Autostart | 17:06 |
| Alftand | oh | 17:07 |
| Alftand | kk | 17:07 |
| Alftand | im new to the supporting thing | 17:07 |
| elfy | thought I'd let you know is all :) | 17:07 |
| Alftand | thx | 17:07 |
| Alftand | i just been helpin GridCube at the moment | 17:07 |
| elfy | yep - saw :) | 17:08 |
| harryadams26__ | there | 17:09 |
| === harryadams26__ is now known as Alftand | ||
| Alftand | im back | 17:09 |
| Alftand | i was switching to hexchat | 17:09 |
| GridCube | Alftand, that service should be run by default, and its listed as it runs by default and restarts itself, but did not | 17:10 |
| Alftand | im not the most adept at all of this | 17:12 |
| Alftand | my best suggestion is to add a launcher in the taskbar | 17:13 |
| Alftand | with the command xfdesktop | 17:13 |
| GridCube | nah | 17:13 |
| elfy | Alftand: was - now you know another method - that's how everyone learns :) | 17:13 |
| GridCube | thats not the proper way to do this | 17:13 |
| elfy | but things like xfdesktop should just start | 17:14 |
| Alftand | ik | 17:14 |
| Alftand | but he said that xfdesktop is already on the startup list | 17:15 |
| elfy | yep - things go awry sometimes | 17:15 |
| GridCube | well, now it works | 17:16 |
| elfy | :) | 17:16 |
| Alftand | i said at first that a reboot might do it | 17:19 |
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