[17:15] <rightonbro> Could someone help me with adding a second HD (bigger drive to store recordings and livetv buffer) to mythtv?  I keep getting an error when I try to watch live TV in the front-end
[17:16] <Kwisher> do you have the disk mounted correctly?
[17:16] <rightonbro> I don't know, I chown'ed a couple of things but I'm kind of a noob
[17:17] <rightonbro> I just installed the latest Mythbuntu and I see my second drive as /media/mjung/MythDrive
[17:17] <Kwisher> you need to automount it at boot
[17:17] <rightonbro> i have my storage groups set up as /media/mjung/MythDrive/recordings etc.
[17:17] <rightonbro> I can see the drive in Thunar File Manager
[17:17] <rightonbro> and all of the subfolders underneath
[17:17] <rightonbro> the mythbackend.log keeps giving Permission denied whenever I try to watch TV
[17:18] <Kwisher> you should do: sudo chown mythtv:mythtv -R /media/mjung/MythDrive
[17:18] <rightonbro> ok just did that
[17:19] <rightonbro> i'll try firing up the frontend and watching some TV
[17:21] <rightonbro> no dice, it does the same thing….would you be able to look at my mythbackend.log and see if i'm doing anything wrong?  https://dpaste.de/Z7r4
[17:22] <Kwisher> what's the output of: sudo ls -la /media/mjung/MythDrive
[17:23] <rightonbro> https://dpaste.de/cBnk
[17:24] <Kwisher> ok, that looks correct
[17:24] <Kwisher> is this an internal drive?
[17:25] <rightonbro> yeah, it's a 1.5tb desktop drive I have in my HTPC, boot drive is an SSD….fwiw I did have TV and recording working on the SSD before I tried adding the 2nd drive
[17:25] <rightonbro> the 1.5tb drive used to be an NTFS drive but I added an ext4 partition using gparted
[17:26] <Kwisher> output of : sudo fdisk -l
[17:27] <rightonbro> https://dpaste.de/5zyW
[17:28] <Kwisher> ok, now: sudo cat /etc/fstab
[17:29] <rightonbro> https://dpaste.de/9dTF
[17:31] <Kwisher> you are not automounting the new drive, could be the issue
[17:32] <rightonbro> is that not the same as mounting the drive via the Ubuntu desktop before running mythfrontend?
[17:32] <Kwisher> it's really not the proper way
[17:34] <rightonbro> ok, i'll try that
[17:35] <Kwisher> i would add the following line to /etc/fstab : /dev/sdb1 /media/mjung/MythDrive ext4 defaults 0 1
[17:35] <rightonbro> ha, i was looking that up right now, thank you!
[17:36] <Kwisher> then: sudo mkdir /media/mjung/MythDrive
[17:36] <Kwisher> you might have to unmount the drive first
[17:39] <rightonbro> added the line to fstab, unmounted drive, did the sudo command, rebooting….
[17:39] <rightonbro> uh-oh, the mythbuntu boot screen now says "Serious errors were found while checking the disk drive for/media/mjung/MythDrive
[17:40] <Kwisher> it should fix them
[17:40] <rightonbro> M for manual recover?
[17:40] <rightonbro> or I to ignore?
[17:41] <Kwisher> M
[17:41] <rightonbro> dumped me to a maintenance shell and said "Filesystem check or mount failed."
[17:45] <Kwisher> anything important on the drive?
[17:45] <rightonbro> yeah, the NTFS partition, i have about 3 weeks of un-backedup TV that I was going to watch and then delete
[17:46] <rightonbro> everything else is backed up
[17:46] <rightonbro> wondering if i should just completely blow away the entire 1.5tb drive
[17:46] <Kwisher> why is it ntfs?
[17:47] <rightonbro> trying to switch to MythTV from Windows Media center
[17:47] <Kwisher> ahh
[17:47] <Kwisher> are you stuck at the maint shell?
[17:47] <rightonbro> i rebooted and just Skipped the mount this time, so i'm back in Ubuntu desktop
[17:48] <Kwisher> do: sudo mount -l to see if the partition is mounted
[17:49] <rightonbro> https://dpaste.de/DwbZ
[17:49] <rightonbro> looks like it, right?  first line
[17:49] <Kwisher> ok, so it's not mounted
[17:49] <rightonbro> it's not shown as mounted on the ubuntu desktop
[17:50] <Kwisher> fire up gparted and reformat the ext4 partition
[17:53] <rightonbro> alright so this is weird…gparted is reporting my ntfs partition is mounted at /media/mjung/MythDrive and my ext4 partition has no mount point
[18:01] <Kwisher> ok try: sudo umount -f  /media/mjung/MythDrive
[18:01] <Kwisher> or right click on it in gparted and choose unmount
[18:02] <rightonbro> oh….so I set the line you gave me to put in fstab to sdb2 instead of sdb1 and it's now mounting the right partition
[18:03] <rightonbro> i think it was trying to mount the ntfs partition since it was the first one on the drive
[18:03] <Kwisher> ahh, my mistake then
[18:03] <Kwisher> sorry
[18:03] <Kwisher> correct fstab first
[18:04] <Kwisher> then sudo mount -a
[18:04] <rightonbro> no worries, i greatly appreciate the help….but mythtv is still giving me the Permission denied error
[18:04] <rightonbro> i corrected the fstab and rebooted
[18:04] <rightonbro> ubuntu desktop shows the drive as mounted on boot now :)
[18:04] <Kwisher> and it mounted correctly?
[18:04] <rightonbro> yep
[18:05] <Kwisher> check your spelling and capitalization in the be settings for your path statements for livetv and recordings
[18:05] <rightonbro> k one sec
[18:08] <rightonbro> looks correct?  my default is /media/mjung/MythDrive/recordings/ and my Live TV is /media/mjung/MythDrive/livetv/
[18:09] <rightonbro> you know i just did an ls -l on the MythDrive folder and it shows the recordings/ and /livetv/ to have a timestamp of 11:01, i created those a few hours ago….so it seems like something is touching them
[18:10] <Kwisher> permissions still set for mythtv?
[18:10] <rightonbro> everything at MythDrive and below is mythtv:mythtv
[18:11] <rightonbro> mjung is root:root
[18:14] <rightonbro> does this seem right to you? https://dpaste.de/PNf8
[18:14] <rightonbro> group is r-x
[18:16] <Kwisher> mine is: drwxrwxr-x 2 mythtv mythtv 36864 Oct 10 22:00 recordings
[18:17] <rightonbro> i have drwxr-xr-x 6 mythtv mythtv 4096 Oct 11 09:25 MythDrive
[18:17] <rightonbro> and drwxrwxr-x 2 mythtv mythtv  4096 Oct 11 11:10 recordings
[18:19] <Kwisher> looks correct, livetv still won't work?
[18:19] <rightonbro> nope…and tailing the log still shows the Permission denied error
[18:20] <Kwisher> is your users account in the mythtv group?
[18:20] <rightonbro> uhh
[18:20] <rightonbro> you mean the account i use to log into ubuntu?  mjung
[18:20] <Kwisher> it should be if it worked prior to the new drive
[18:21] <Kwisher> try kicking off a recording
[18:23] <rightonbro> i tried a manual schedule recording but it froze up and save and then kicked me back to the manual schedule menu
[18:23] <rightonbro> t 11 11:21:26 supercomputer mythbackend: mythbackend[2680]: E ProcessRequest programinfo.cpp:2358 (GetPlaybackURL) ProgramInfo(1005_20141011154747.mpg): GetPlaybackURL: '1005_20141011154747.mpg' should be local, but it can not be found.
[18:26] <Kwisher> this is my fstab: # /media/mythtv was on /dev/sda4 during installation
[18:26] <Kwisher> UUID=bb377d4a-3aca-4092-b40d-dfbfe6a1def9 /media/mythtv   ext4    defaults        0       2
[18:27] <Kwisher> try changing your last digit from 1 to 2 like mine
[18:27] <tgm4883> just looking back at the backlog, did you guys verify there isn't a livetv storage group setup?
[18:28] <rightonbro> i have a live tv storage group setup
[18:28] <tgm4883> it's not required, but if it's set to a different directory then that could be the permissions error
[18:28] <rightonbro> just changed fstab, rebooting
[18:28] <tgm4883> you don't need to reboot if you change fstab
[18:28] <rightonbro> sorry, i'm pretty noob at ubuntu
[18:29] <tgm4883> just unmount the drive "sudo umount /path/to/drive/" then remount "sudo mount -a"
[18:29] <tgm4883> that reads fstab
[18:29] <rightonbro> rebooted, tried to watch Live TV, still getting this
[18:29] <rightonbro> Oct 11 11:28:56 supercomputer mythbackend: mythbackend[2105]: E TVRecEvent threadedfilewriter.cpp:129 (Open) TFW(/media/mjung/MythDrive/livetv/1400_20141011182856.mpg:-1): Opening file '/media/mjung/MythDrive/livetv/1400_20141011182856.mpg'.#012#011#011#011eno: Permission denied (13)
[18:30] <tgm4883> rightonbro: I don't know for sure, but it wouldn't surprise me that the issue you are having is because it's inside /media/mjung/
[18:30] <tgm4883> personally I mount mine to /srv/mythtv/
[18:30] <Kwisher> i've used /media for years and still do
[18:30] <rightonbro> i'm sorry, i don't know what the difference is you are suggesting
[18:30] <tgm4883> I know there are issues if it's mounted inside /home
[18:30]  * rightonbro is used to OS X and windows
[18:31] <tgm4883> Kwisher: have you check his permissions all the way up the tree?
[18:31] <tgm4883> rightonbro: what is the output of 'ls -l /media/'
[18:31] <rightonbro> mjung@supercomputer:/media$ ls -l /media/
[18:31] <rightonbro> total 4
[18:31] <rightonbro> drwxr-x---+ 3 root root 4096 Oct 11 10:58 mjung
[18:31] <rightonbro> mjung@supercomputer:/media$
[18:31] <tgm4883> yea that isn't going to work
[18:32] <rightonbro> mjung needs to be assigned to mythtv too?
[18:32] <tgm4883> Kwisher: i'd imagine yours is different
[18:32] <tgm4883> rightonbro: what is this drive used for?
[18:32] <Kwisher> rightonbro: you might want to do: sudo chown mythtv:mythtv -R /media/mjung
[18:32] <tgm4883> what is this computer used for? mythtv only?
[18:32] <rightonbro> it's a 1.5tb drive that i'm going to use to store recordings + my music collection
[18:33] <tgm4883> if it's also a desktop computer, then I wouldn't change permissions there
[18:33] <rightonbro> it's in an HTPC that for the most part I used Windows Media Center for, hooked up to my TV in my living room, but occasionally I'll use Firefox in it.  No games or anything else
[18:33] <Kwisher> rightonbro: you won't want to store your music there
[18:34] <Kwisher> dedicate one partition to myth only
[18:34] <tgm4883> rightonbro: do you share the drive with WMC?
[18:34] <rightonbro> no, i'm trying to replace WMC with MythTV
[18:34] <tgm4883> ok
[18:34] <rightonbro> it has one NTFS partition on it already, but I'm going to back that up and blow it away at some point and then dedicate the whole drive to MythTV
[18:35] <rightonbro> and storing my music collection etc.
[18:35] <rightonbro> should i go ahead and change ownership of /media/mjung to mythtv?
[18:35] <tgm4883> ok, well if you guys want to continue troubleshooting this that is up to you. Personally I'd just mount it in /srv/mythtv/ and fix your storage group locations
[18:36] <tgm4883> You probably can just change ownership on that directory, but IDK what will happen if you ever want to just plug in and scan some media
[18:36] <Kwisher> the mount point is not critical, except for the /home
[18:36] <rightonbro> ok so changing ownership totally worked
[18:36] <rightonbro> i'm watching a live football game right now
[18:36] <Kwisher> ha
[18:37] <rightonbro> are there downsides to doing it this way?
[18:37] <rightonbro> i've never heard of /srv for example
[18:37] <Kwisher> nope
[18:37] <tgm4883> well stuff in /media should be owned by the user that plugged in the device
[18:38] <tgm4883> IIRC, it's not meant for permanently mounted stuff
[18:38] <tgm4883> but probably won't cause any issues
[18:38] <Kwisher> i mount EVERYTHING in /media on all my nix systems
[18:38] <Kwisher> nix doesn't care where you mount it, for the most part
[18:39] <tgm4883> Kwisher: then you are not using it in the way it was designed
[18:39] <Kwisher> it works so that's what i do
[18:39] <rightonbro> ha!
[18:39] <rightonbro> so thank you guys VERY much for the help
[18:40] <tgm4883> Kwisher: I never said it couldn't work. I said if you at somepoint later it stops working because of something else that was done then you have no one else to blame but yourself
[18:40] <rightonbro> do you work on mythtv?
[18:40] <Kwisher> tgm4883: i've mounted everything in /media for over 10 years now, no issues what so ever
[18:40] <tgm4883> for instance, if  you take a frontend and have a local storage group of /media then you should be able to just plug in a usb stick and scan for it's media
[18:41] <tgm4883> if you mount your other stuff in /media that because a little more difficult
[18:41] <tgm4883> however, if you never plan on doing that, then you can do whatever you want
[18:41] <rightonbro> so if i'm configured this way and I plug in a USB stick it won't work?
[18:42] <Kwisher> just to be clear, i use /media/mythtv
[18:42] <Kwisher>  a folder inside /media
[18:42] <tgm4883> Kwisher: just to be clear, I'm just throwing out random examples of what could break, not an exaustive list of what will break
[18:42] <Kwisher> so mine is /media/mythtv/livetv & /media/mythtv/recordings
[18:43] <tgm4883> rightonbro: it becomes more difficult
[18:43] <Kwisher> rightonbro: it will work
[18:43] <tgm4883> rightonbro: since I'm assuming that mjung is your main user, so you can't just make that your local frontend storage group
[18:43] <rightonbro> i just plugged in a stick and it worked
[18:43] <rightonbro> was able to copy file to/from it
[18:44] <tgm4883> rightonbro: does it work inside mythtv?
[18:44] <rightonbro> you mean does the mythtv app work?
[18:44] <tgm4883> I suppose it might work, since it would just be mounting it inside that directory
[18:44] <rightonbro> or am i able to copy files into /media/mjung/MythDrive and below?
[18:44] <Kwisher> ltr, rightonbro glad you got it working
[18:44] <tgm4883> and as long as this is a combined frontend/backend then it should work
[18:45] <tgm4883> You'd be sending the file from the backend to the frontend but I'd hope that mythtv is smart enough to not send that over the network
[18:45] <rightonbro> oh, i see what you mean, i can't seem to copy a file into MythDrive
[18:45] <rightonbro> well, TV works, so i'm going to run it for awhile and test that and try to learn more about Ubuntu and when I do, I'll figure out the right adjustment
[18:46] <rightonbro> thank you 10000x guys, greatly appreciated
[18:46] <tgm4883> Kwisher: FWIW, /media is meant for removable media, /mnt is meant for temporary filesystems, and /srv is for site-specific data
[18:46] <Kwisher> you do it your way, i'll do it mine, that's the beauty of linux :)
[18:47] <rightonbro> ttyl!
[18:47] <tgm4883> Kwisher: yes, I understand that. I'm just explaining what they were designed to do, so shoot me
[18:48] <Kwisher> i've never read or found any info about drawbacks to where you mount thing
[18:50] <tgm4883> Kwisher: FFS, I was just explaining what they are designed for. It would be like if you actually told rightonbro what changing the 1 to a 2 would do in fstab rather than just saying "hey, mines like this you should change your to this too"
[18:50] <tgm4883> Kwisher: if it works for you, great, but when I help people in here (especially noobs) I would rather get them setup the correct way, not just some way that will work
[18:50] <Kwisher> yes, you are corect, i should have explained it
[18:51] <tgm4883> that's all I'm trying to get at
[18:51] <Kwisher> i understand you position
[18:51] <tgm4883> thanks
[18:51] <tgm4883> I do appreciate you in here helping, I know I'm not in here as much as I should be
[18:52] <Kwisher> i try when i can
[18:56] <Kwisher> tgm4883: how long you been using myth?
[18:56] <tgm4883> since 2007, before there was mythbuntu
[18:56] <Kwisher> i think i started with .19 & mint-5, iirc
[18:57] <tgm4883> nice
[18:57] <tgm4883> I believe it was 0.20-0.21 I started
[18:58] <Kwisher> now i'm on .27 on xubuntu 14.04
[18:59] <Kwisher> 7 tuners, one master b/e with a remote f/e
[19:01] <Kwisher> well, time to do some chores, chat with you ltr
[19:01] <tgm4883> later