[15:03] <holstein> zequence: you mean, we'll backport that kernel to 14.04?
[15:13] <zequence> holstein: No, kernels are SRU'd by the Canonical kernel, each time a new release is out.
[15:14] <zequence> -lowlatency is maintained by them as of trusty. It's merged with the -generic code, so it will automatically be SRU'd too
[15:16] <holstein> so.. the kernel gets backported? then?
[15:18] <zequence> holstein: No, it's a Stable Release Update
[15:19] <zequence> It ends up in the updates pocket. Not backports
[15:19] <holstein> so, that kernel? with the changes, by *some* means.. gets into 14.04?
[15:20] <zequence> Yes, once Utopic is out
[15:21] <zequence> If you check in /etc/apt/sources.list, trusty-updates - that's where it ends up
[15:21] <holstein> i had to bail on ubuntu on my production machine
[15:22] <zequence> Yeah?
[15:22] <holstein> i'll have to setup a testing scenario on another box..
[15:22] <holstein> or, a partition
[15:22] <zequence> What was your problem with Ubuntu?
[15:22] <holstein> just little things.. 
[15:22] <holstein> avlinux is a better fit for my studio right now
[15:22] <holstein> easier to get what i need
[15:23] <holstein> no real "problem" with ubuntu", necessarily
[15:23] <zequence> Give me an example
[15:23] <holstein> a few mixbus plugins that i paid for wont draw
[15:23] <holstein> the kernel in AV is more stable with my gear
[15:24] <holstein> its not up to ubuntu to stay behind and make my hardware work great.. i get that
[15:24] <holstein> but, AV is more of an appliance.. and when i got all in on mixbus, i wanted the "Best" environment for it.. so i took a long weekend and did a bunch of tests.. and landed with av on the production rig
[15:25] <holstein> though, it does feel like a bit of a step back, and i miss some things from the ubuntu repos, its the easiest way to address all the little issues i was having
[15:27] <holstein> mostly growing pains with the mixbus plugins.. "Our plugins use the "OpenGL" drawing functions, and this problem indicates a bug in a particular OpenGL driver function that only the XT plugins use."
[15:27] <zequence> ok
[15:27] <holstein> i tried working in a few places.. but at the end of the day, i just need to do some work there..
[15:27] <holstein> i was hoping harrison would get more into it
[15:27] <zequence> What kind of kernel problems where you having?
[15:28] <holstein> and, since mixbus is proprietary, there seems to be little interest in our particular community for support
[15:28] <holstein> zequence: no "problems".. i just get *much* better stable performance with an older RT kernel.. 
[15:28] <holstein> i feel ubuntu is on a better path though, for the future.. 
[15:28] <zequence> You mean lower latency?
[15:29] <holstein> zequence: i can achieve lower latency, sure.. but, i can also get better performance at the same latency setting
[15:30] <holstein> like, re-drawing mixbus's mixer.. in ubuntu would take about 12+ seconds.. maybe more to see the entire output.. at the same settings in AV, its less than a second
[15:31] <holstein> its *all* changing.. and gl drivers, open and proprietary.. its all related.. and a mess
[15:31] <zequence> ok, so it seems a lot of it had to do with Mixbus specifically then.
[15:31] <holstein> im not promised support for linux from nvidia, so i get what i get there.. and, do i need nvidia? i want dual head, and that was the easiest way for me to add it
[15:32] <zequence> I'm sure there are other things too. Stuff that we aren't providing in simple steps, like a2jmidid
[15:32] <holstein> zequence: sure.. but, should it take 12+ seconds to draw?
[15:32] <holstein> zequence: its not open and not in our repos.. so it would be up do Ben..
[15:32] <holstein> he says, it would be more up to ubuntu.. and im actually sure ardour3 is dealing with a lot of this, and will trickle into the next version of mixbux
[15:33] <holstein> but.. for me, right now.. with my current hardware/software, AV was a better and easier fit
[15:33] <holstein> i dont think its doing anything particularly new or ground breaking, though
[15:34] <holstein> zequence: you havent had a chance to fire up 14.10 and your firewire device?
[15:35] <zequence> Nope. But, I don't think it's supported yet anyhow
[15:35] <holstein> i havent either.. but, i may try and do that from a live environment on the main machine
[15:35] <zequence> It wasn't on a list I saw
[15:35] <holstein> zequence: oh.. 
[15:35] <holstein> i mean, i dont really care or want/need that.. but it would make it handy for folks to use the firewire device in audacity, for example
[15:36] <holstein> if you have a firewire device, you use JACK. and it has such a high barrier of entry.. and if you have the wrong firewire chipset, it'll just never start ;)
[15:36] <holstein> its challenging
[15:38] <zequence> Yeah