[15:03] zequence: you mean, we'll backport that kernel to 14.04? [15:13] holstein: No, kernels are SRU'd by the Canonical kernel, each time a new release is out. [15:14] -lowlatency is maintained by them as of trusty. It's merged with the -generic code, so it will automatically be SRU'd too [15:16] so.. the kernel gets backported? then? [15:18] holstein: No, it's a Stable Release Update [15:19] It ends up in the updates pocket. Not backports [15:19] so, that kernel? with the changes, by *some* means.. gets into 14.04? [15:20] Yes, once Utopic is out [15:21] If you check in /etc/apt/sources.list, trusty-updates - that's where it ends up [15:21] i had to bail on ubuntu on my production machine [15:22] Yeah? [15:22] i'll have to setup a testing scenario on another box.. [15:22] or, a partition [15:22] What was your problem with Ubuntu? [15:22] just little things.. [15:22] avlinux is a better fit for my studio right now [15:22] easier to get what i need [15:23] no real "problem" with ubuntu", necessarily [15:23] Give me an example [15:23] a few mixbus plugins that i paid for wont draw [15:23] the kernel in AV is more stable with my gear [15:24] its not up to ubuntu to stay behind and make my hardware work great.. i get that [15:24] but, AV is more of an appliance.. and when i got all in on mixbus, i wanted the "Best" environment for it.. so i took a long weekend and did a bunch of tests.. and landed with av on the production rig [15:25] though, it does feel like a bit of a step back, and i miss some things from the ubuntu repos, its the easiest way to address all the little issues i was having [15:27] mostly growing pains with the mixbus plugins.. "Our plugins use the "OpenGL" drawing functions, and this problem indicates a bug in a particular OpenGL driver function that only the XT plugins use." [15:27] ok [15:27] i tried working in a few places.. but at the end of the day, i just need to do some work there.. [15:27] i was hoping harrison would get more into it [15:27] What kind of kernel problems where you having? [15:28] and, since mixbus is proprietary, there seems to be little interest in our particular community for support [15:28] zequence: no "problems".. i just get *much* better stable performance with an older RT kernel.. [15:28] i feel ubuntu is on a better path though, for the future.. [15:28] You mean lower latency? [15:29] zequence: i can achieve lower latency, sure.. but, i can also get better performance at the same latency setting [15:30] like, re-drawing mixbus's mixer.. in ubuntu would take about 12+ seconds.. maybe more to see the entire output.. at the same settings in AV, its less than a second [15:31] its *all* changing.. and gl drivers, open and proprietary.. its all related.. and a mess [15:31] ok, so it seems a lot of it had to do with Mixbus specifically then. [15:31] im not promised support for linux from nvidia, so i get what i get there.. and, do i need nvidia? i want dual head, and that was the easiest way for me to add it [15:32] I'm sure there are other things too. Stuff that we aren't providing in simple steps, like a2jmidid [15:32] zequence: sure.. but, should it take 12+ seconds to draw? [15:32] zequence: its not open and not in our repos.. so it would be up do Ben.. [15:32] he says, it would be more up to ubuntu.. and im actually sure ardour3 is dealing with a lot of this, and will trickle into the next version of mixbux [15:33] but.. for me, right now.. with my current hardware/software, AV was a better and easier fit [15:33] i dont think its doing anything particularly new or ground breaking, though [15:34] zequence: you havent had a chance to fire up 14.10 and your firewire device? [15:35] Nope. But, I don't think it's supported yet anyhow [15:35] i havent either.. but, i may try and do that from a live environment on the main machine [15:35] It wasn't on a list I saw [15:35] zequence: oh.. [15:35] i mean, i dont really care or want/need that.. but it would make it handy for folks to use the firewire device in audacity, for example [15:36] if you have a firewire device, you use JACK. and it has such a high barrier of entry.. and if you have the wrong firewire chipset, it'll just never start ;) [15:36] its challenging [15:38] Yeah