[12:39] <bluesabre> happy weekend everyone :)
[12:40] <elfy> hey bluesabre - just rebooting, but earlier I did a bit of fiddling with that QA pad from yesterday - big lump at the bottom - you figure quite a bit in it ;)
[12:40] <elfy> brb
[12:40] <bluesabre> oh boy
[12:46] <knome> elfy, commented
[12:46] <elfy> saw
[12:46] <knome> sorry for shouting the same thing over and over, but i think there's some potential there we haven't used to its full capacity
[12:47] <knome> because i can easily commit to using a PPA on my production machine since i know that if it miserably fails at a critical moment, i can just turn it off to get on with my work
[12:47] <elfy> tbh some/many ordinary users can't risk production machine either - hence " in some way "
[12:48] <knome> yes, but it's evident that using a staging PPA isn't really the same as running the dev version :)
[12:48] <elfy> but my basic assumption is that if someone is 'developing' foo for bar - then they must be looking at how it looks in bar - or guessing :p
[12:48] <knome> yep
[12:48] <knome> that's true
[12:48] <knome> that sounds more like a (given) process requirement for developers
[12:49] <elfy> but yes I totally agree that we could do more with the PPA idea we started to look at earlier in this cycle
[12:49] <knome> but that only covers some of the team, not all of us are actually developing stuff (where it actually matters what the version is)
[12:49] <elfy> I am still completely confused as to which ones are which - so I just don't
[12:49] <knome> eg. working on the docs definitely does not require running the dev version :D
[12:50] <elfy> knome: yea I know
[12:50] <elfy> I haven't said "Assumption being that (at least some of) xubuntu-team is using the dev version during the dev cycle."
[12:50] <knome> bluesabre, when are you going to land the updated PPA descriptions?
[12:51] <bluesabre> I thought I did...
[12:51] <knome> looks like you didn't
[12:51] <knome> :)
[12:51] <bluesabre> woops
[12:51] <elfy> I'd at least hope that people are looking at what they're putting their name too in vm at some point
[12:51] <bluesabre> have the link to the pad?
[12:51] <knome> bluesabre, no, but i can dig it up :P
[12:51] <bluesabre> I can dig it up too :)
[12:51] <elfy> http://pad.ubuntu.com/vQ8LL4MVaW
[12:51]  * elfy did dig it up :p
[12:51] <bluesabre> lightning
[12:52] <elfy> bluesabre: lol - more likely that I got so lost with pads - I bookmark them and give them sensible names :)
[12:52] <knome> yep
[12:52] <knome> that's why you should give them sensible names when creating them :P
[12:53] <elfy> :)
[12:53]  * bluesabre doesn't know how to rename a pad
[12:53] <knome> bluesabre, you don't rename
[12:53] <knome> bluesabre, just go to http://pad.ubuntu.com/new-pad-name
[12:53] <knome> and it asks if you want to create that
[12:53] <bluesabre> didn't know that
[12:53] <bluesabre> now I do
[12:53] <bluesabre> :)
[12:53] <knome> good
[12:53] <elfy> http://pad.ubuntu.com/callmewhatyouwill
[12:53] <knome> elfy, waayy too slow :P
[12:54] <elfy> well - just letting people catch up with the lightning :D
[12:54] <knome> heh
[12:55] <bluesabre> updated
[12:55] <knome> great
[12:55]  * knome considers if we should add those descriptions to the processses wiki page too
[12:56] <elfy> well - it would be nice to try and tie all these ends together 
[12:56] <knome> yep
[12:56] <knome> as it is, there's no official/final blessing that this is the way we intend to use these PPA's
[12:56] <knome> but unofficially, that's how they have been used
[13:43] <bluesabre> hey ochosi
[13:44] <elfy> got sidetracked doing forumy things
[13:45] <elfy> I think perhaps the PPAs and how we're going to use them could be documented 
[13:45] <knome> bluesabre, merge done
[13:45] <bluesabre> thanks knome
[13:51] <ochosi> hey bluesabre 
[13:52] <elfy> hi ochosi 
[13:52] <ochosi> hey elfy 
[13:55] <sidi> hey olli_ 
[13:55] <bluesabre> whats up?
[13:55]  * sidi waves at knome, bluesabre, ochosi and the rest of the universe.
[13:55] <bluesabre> hey sidi!
[13:56] <sidi> olli_, knome told me you were a mir dev? mind if i ask you how you guys are planning to do security on privileged interfaces in mir?
[14:07] <ochosi> bluesabre: not too much, just took an hour to clean my ibm model m keyboard
[14:07] <ochosi> yuck, keyboard can become really disgusting
[14:08] <bluesabre> ew
[14:08] <bluesabre> anybody still running trusty?
[14:08] <bluesabre> need SRU verification, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mugshot/+bug/1374802
[14:22] <jjfrv8> bluesabre, verified ^
[14:22] <bluesabre> jjfrv8: you get a cookie.
[14:22] <bluesabre> :D
[14:22] <jjfrv8> :)
[16:29] <bluesabre> brainwash_: patches updated here: https://launchpad.net/~bluesabre/+archive/ubuntu/lp1320560
[16:29] <bluesabre> xfswitch-plugin and xfce4-panel now support dm-tool or gdmflexiserver
[16:29] <bluesabre> with a preference for dm-tool
[16:30] <bluesabre> whisker and xscreensaver are significantly more difficult to support both
[16:30] <bluesabre> Unit193 too ^
[18:28] <Unit193> You looked into it, good enough for me.
[19:08] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, Were you preparing the xfce4-weather-plugin SRU or should i?
[19:55] <bluesabre> Noskcaj: still around?
[19:55] <Noskcaj> yeah
[19:55] <bluesabre> I can go ahead and do it now for trusty
[19:55] <Noskcaj> ty
[19:56] <bluesabre> we'll have to do it for precise too, will try to also get to that
[20:44] <bluesabre> hm, precise might not actually need it, uses a different api
[20:44]  * bluesabre downloads precise image
[20:44] <skellat> bluesabre: Make sure you close out the bug that opened up earlier for Trusty on the weather plugin
[20:45] <bluesabre> skellat, a new one?
[20:45] <bluesabre> checking
[20:45] <skellat> Yeah, it was a bug today
[20:45] <bluesabre> ah
[20:46] <bluesabre> marking as a dupe
[20:46]  * skellat is literally and figuratively "cleaning house"
[20:46] <bluesabre> :)
[20:47]  * bluesabre just finished eating 1 lb of pineapple
[20:49] <skellat> What are we looking at for QA changes going forward?
[20:49] <knome> skellat, getting more tests and more out of the testing we do.
[20:50] <skellat> Optimizing our allocation and expediture of human capital then?
[20:51] <bluesabre> mostly, still not convinced that Unit193 is not a well-designed bot
[20:52] <skellat> Okay
[20:52] <Unit193> Try harder.
[20:52] <skellat> I'm low on non-production non-ARM hardware
[20:53]  * bluesabre notes that skellat can test builds on ARM
[20:54] <skellat> I don't think Alan Bell ever got that archive recompilation started for Raspberry Pi, though.  That and OMAP stuff like the BeagleBoard-xM went EOL in favor of the Sitara processor in the BeagleBone Black.
[20:54] <skellat> 14.10 has been working surprisingly well on my amd64 laptop
[23:28] <drc> huh..known problem with an image file and the default app?  New 14.10 install, jpg's start opening with Firefox...I changed default to imagemagick (just to test), now can't change the default.  Even though the "Open With" says Restretto, double clicking continues to open with Imagemagick.