[02:36] <eirik174_> hi. what's the best way of installing VMWare tools on 14.04 LTS?
[02:37] <ball> I think it may be time to burn another Xubuntu disc.
[02:37] <holstein> you can try https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware/Tools ... but i would just follow whatever vmware says to do
[02:39] <eirik174_> ok thanks i'll look into both
[04:16] <chaotix> hey.  i am on a fresh install of xubuntu on a dell optiplex 1.something ghz computer with 1gb of ram, and for some reason it keeps crashing..  i was having the same problem using lubuntu, after a few fresh installs i just decided to try xubuntu, and now i notice the same problem...  the mouse arrow will freeze, but the cursor will be invisibly still moving..  it tends to happen when i am running firefox..  somoene suggested that it may be a memory issue,
[04:16] <chaotix> so i decided to run the task manager and recreate the problem, and i noticed that it is not swapping anything at all, just lets the cpu and mem fill up without swapping at all
[04:35] <nomic> maybe ask in ubuntu too chaotix .. also .. there are places where messages from a crash go
[04:35] <nomic> make sure you have all the updates
[04:42] <holstein> chaotix: sounds like graphics drivers to me..
[04:42] <chaotix> thanks guys
[04:43] <chaotix> although, weird thing is we never had this problem before i did the fresh re install recently
[04:43] <holstein> i would try "nomodeset" from a live CD, and see if i can get the system to crash or run stable..
[04:43] <holstein> chaotix: we? what install of what? when? what was on the system before?
[04:43] <chaotix> maybe i had 13.10 working before, i am about to try that next
[04:43] <holstein> chaotix: those are different kernels, and different kernel drivers
[04:44] <holstein> chaotix: 12.04 is still supported.. you may find that the 12.04 kernel and drivers are supported better by your hardware
[04:44] <chaotix> by we, i meant my mother and myself...  it is her computer..
[04:44] <holstein> chaotix: most family like that i have are still on 12.04..
[04:45] <chaotix> it is a dell optiplex 745 usff/2.13 ghz/1gb ram/80gb hdd
[04:45] <chaotix> i will try 12.04 then  :)
[04:45] <holstein> chaotix: this is less about specs and more about *specific* hardware support
[04:45] <chaotix> ok
[04:46] <holstein> chaotix: im not saying 12.04 will work, im just saying, that seems to be the difference.. a different version of linux with different drivers was working fine before the fresh install
[04:46] <chaotix> originally i though maybe this was a memory issue, but i just noticed now that it seems to keep happening when i go to s specific page in firefox:  google.com/chrome will crash it every time
[04:46] <holstein> there are many variables and differences there to explore that could be causing your issue, but it seems like graphics driver support to me
[04:46] <chaotix> perhaps it is graphics
[04:47] <chaotix> bc of what is on that page, graphics does sound like the culprit right>
[04:47] <chaotix> ?
[04:47] <holstein> chaotix: i would test and see
[04:47] <holstein> chaotix: i still think what you are explaining could be grahpics driver support issue
[04:48] <holstein> there may be a proprietary driver for you for 14.04..
[04:48] <chaotix> it contains an image inside of a div that is able to be clicked and dragged or spun...  as soon as i try to load that page at all it crashes
[04:48] <holstein> chaotix: ok
[04:48] <chaotix> thanks for all this help
[04:48] <holstein> chaotix: i would *not* even open a web browser yet. i would start by testing the ram and the hard drive. then, i would test the hardware support as much as possible from a live CD before installing
[04:49] <holstein> i would look at the graphics hardware, and see if it is, for example, nvidia, and if there are any proprietary drivers that may support the hardware better for your needs
[04:49] <chaotix> ok
[04:49] <chaotix> lets do it
[04:50] <chaotix> so you want me to boot up from a live usb, right?
[04:50] <chaotix> i wont have to leave the channel, as i am on a separate computer talking to you
[04:50] <holstein> i would also just try 12.04 live as well. and if it works better "out of the box", i would probably just put that on, and give it to mom.. since she is likely not worried about the latest and greatest
[04:50] <chaotix> ok..  i should prolly use lubuntu, or do you think xubuntu will be ok?
[04:51] <holstein> chaotix: they are *all* ubuntu.. same drivers
[04:51] <chaotix> ok right
[04:51] <holstein> chaotix: thats why i think you are having an graphics driver issue, and trying to hop DE's to address the crashing
[04:51] <holstein> chaotix: i would do xubuntu from my mom... between xubuntu and lubuntu.. but thats up to you
[04:51] <chaotix> ok thanks
[04:52] <chaotix> in the past i had it set up with cairo dock, and most of the things she used on the dock, and then synapse installed so she could just pull that up and search for anything else
[04:52] <cfhowlett> chaotix, useful tip:  go into the windows files and grab here favorite wallpapers.  use them in *buntu.
[04:52] <cfhowlett> *her*
[04:54] <chaotix> no windows installed  :)
[04:54] <holstein> chaotix: the dock will come quite a bit later.. after you have a stable system choosen, you can put *whatever* dock you choose.. or *no* dock, and just a locked down xfce panel that is setup as a dock
[04:55] <chaotix> i am waiting for the 12.04 image to be done burning now
[04:56] <chaotix> btw, thanks for all of this help
[05:43] <chaotix> holstein, after booting into the live usb, you said "i would start by testing the ram and the hard drive. then, i would test the hardware support as much as possible from a live CD before installing"
[05:43] <chaotix> how should i do that
[05:55] <chaotix> is anyone here?
[06:10] <baizon> chaotix: always
[06:14] <chaotix> hey
[06:14] <chaotix> so i am running memtest now, and then i will run hardinfo and generate a report
[06:15] <chaotix> i was hoping you could tell me what to do after that
[06:15] <chaotix> lol oops i thought you were holstein
[06:15] <chaotix> but if you want to jump in that would be cool :)
[06:26] <baizon> chaotix: yes, but whats your problem?
[06:29] <chaotix> baizon, i will re paste my problem i have been having, and tell you where i am at now...
[06:30] <chaotix>  i am on a fresh install of xubuntu on a dell optiplex 1.something ghz computer with 1gb of ram, and for some reason it keeps crashing..  i was having the same problem using lubuntu, after a few fresh installs i just decided to try xubuntu, and now i notice the same problem...  the mouse arrow will freeze, but the cursor will be invisibly still moving..  it tends to happen when i am running firefox..
[06:30] <baizon> ou ok
[06:30] <chaotix> so i created a new xubuntu 12.04 live usb, and after the memtest, i am going to go in to 12.04, and then run hardinfo
[06:30] <baizon> chaotix: also check temperatures pls
[06:30] <chaotix> and get a printout
[06:30] <chaotix> ok will do
[06:31] <baizon> especially from cpu and graphics card
[06:31] <baizon> it could also be a heat problem
[06:31] <chaotix> the weird thing is that this problem never happened until a recent fresh install...  i forget what version i had running before, either 13.04, 13.10 or maybe 14.04, but it never happened till the new fresh installs of 14.04
[06:32] <chaotix> i will check into the heat thing though
[06:32] <chaotix> i havent airduster'd that pc in a while
[06:33] <baizon> chaotix: you mean after the install?
[06:33] <chaotix> yeah, after the installs
[06:34] <chaotix> right now, it is running the memtest86+ from the grub menu
[06:34] <baizon> ok
[06:35] <chaotix> the computer is a dell optiplex 745 usff, with intel core2duo 2.13 ghz, 1gb ram, and 80gb hdd
[06:35] <chaotix> if that helps
[06:35] <chaotix> i dont know why this problem happens...  it is so weird
[06:35] <chaotix> it will especially happen if i run firefox on http://google.com/chrome
[06:35] <baizon> chaotix: have you tried to go into the terminal mode while the screen is freezed?
[06:35] <chaotix> that always causes it right away
[06:35] <chaotix> yesx
[06:35] <chaotix> it lets me...
[06:35] <baizon> so it works?
[06:35] <chaotix> only the mouse pointer is frozen
[06:36] <chaotix> yes
[06:36] <chaotix> the pointer freezes, but the "invisible" cursor is still moving around and i can click on things when it happens
[06:36] <chaotix> weird, right?
[06:36] <baizon> indeed
[06:37] <baizon> have you tried different intel drivers?
[06:37] <chaotix> google.com/chrome has some html5 stuff, a <div> that is clickable and dragable
[06:37] <chaotix> which is why the other guy said maybe a graphics issue
[06:37] <chaotix> i have not
[06:37] <baizon> chaotix: have you tried disabling hardware acceleration?
[06:38] <chaotix> ill check that too
[06:38] <chaotix> i am going to save the log from this channel and try everything you suggest when the memtest is done
[06:39] <baizon> ok
[06:39] <baizon> then report back :)
[06:39] <chaotix> it is 41 min in, but someone else said let it go all night
[06:39] <chaotix> do you agree?
[06:39] <baizon> well i do it mostly for max 2hours
[06:39] <chaotix> ok
[06:39] <chaotix> that works
[06:39] <baizon> for my server i used it for over 6h
[06:39] <baizon> but i dont think its memory related
[06:40] <baizon> if the system still works
[06:40] <chaotix> does the amount of ram i have make a difference in how long i should run memtest?
[06:40] <baizon> chaotix: yes
[06:40] <chaotix> ok
[06:40] <chaotix> thanks for all the help
[06:40] <baizon> no problem
[06:40] <chaotix> are you in here all the time?
[06:40] <baizon> mostly, yes
[06:40] <baizon> but not today :>
[06:41] <chaotix> hey, i ran phoronix test suite on a different computer, are you familliar with it?
[06:42] <baizon> with the test suite, yes.
[06:42] <chaotix> i thought i was done and making a report now, but it is still going
[06:42] <chaotix> heres the pasebin:
[06:43] <chaotix> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8537516/
[06:43] <chaotix> how long will this go for?
[06:43] <chaotix> i thought i was done and now just saving a report
[06:45] <baizon> cant, tell. I Just know it exists, but never used it
[06:46] <chaotix> oh i see
[06:46] <chaotix> i was just testing it out
[06:46] <chaotix> so what is your d-o-c?
[06:46] <chaotix> (distro of choice)
[06:46] <chaotix> lol
[06:47] <chaotix> like drug of choice hehe
[06:47] <chaotix> i am a bit tired
[06:47] <baizon> mine is: Desktop - Kubuntu, Laptop - Xubuntu
[06:50] <chaotix> nice
[06:51] <chaotix> i like ubuntu and it's derivatives most, and my fav d.e. is probably mate, but i have been using unity a lot lately
[06:51] <chaotix> i got used to it when i put it on my tv...  it worked great with keyboard commands and tied in to my remote control
[06:52] <chaotix> i would like to get more accustomed to KDE...  i just havent been able to manage it in the past
[06:52] <chaotix> i dont know what it is.. but it looks so feature rich and awesome..
[06:54] <baizon> best DE IMHO :)
[07:14] <chaotix> baizon, i am going to sleep for a while..  i will check back in am..  thanks for all the helpful tips, i will let you know how it goes
[07:26] <enli> hi guys! i just installed XFCE environment on linux mint, i guess i could ask a question about thunar here. what i want to do is disable the auto-arrange feature when called from desktop's context menu named as "arrange desktop icons". i have already downloaded thunar source code but i can not see to find the location where this function is.
[07:26] <cfhowlett> !mint | enli, #
[07:27] <enli> cfhowlett: i understand, this is related to thunar file manager.
[07:27] <enli> please re-read.
[07:28] <enli> what would a good channel to get help on dev related things?
[07:28] <baizon> enli: try #xfce ?
[07:29] <enli> baizon: sure, will try.
[07:32] <Churuya-san> How do I restart the bluetooth input services? Whenever I try to connect my keyboard, I get an error saying "Host is down"
[07:35] <enli> baizon: thanks for the suggestion. got a suggestion to look into xfdesktop package which is correct, not thunar package.
[07:36] <elfy> Churuya-san: try sudo service bluetooth restart (you can tab after service to see what services are available if bluetooth doesn't exist)
[07:39] <Churuya-san> elfy: Thanks, but that didn't help. I still don't have an option to connect the keyboard to input services. (This option was avilable and the keyboard worked prior to the latest kernel update.)  Choosing to "Refresh Services" gives a "Host is down" error.
[07:48] <elfy> Churuya-san: sorry - don't know much about bluetooth - if no-one else answers try in #ubuntu
[07:48] <Churuya-san> Will do, thanks
[09:35] <xubuntu22w> Hi
[09:37] <xubuntu22w> New to Linux. facing an issue with desktop after updating XUbuntu 14.04
[09:38] <xubuntu22w> after updating and rebooting, the desktop now has an unclickable area on the right side like an overlay
[09:38] <xubuntu22w> http://i.stack.imgur.com/JedAD.png
[09:39] <xubuntu22w> please help with the same
[09:40] <cfhowlett> xubuntu22w, dual monitors?
[09:40] <xubuntu22w> no. using just one which is my laptop screen
[09:44] <brainwash> does a relog fix the desktop?
[09:45] <xubuntu22w> nope
[09:57] <brainwash> xubuntu22w: does the problem affect other user accounts or the guest session?
[09:57] <xubuntu22w> yes it does
[09:58] <brainwash> I guess you should take a look at /var/log/apt/history.log and check which packages have been updated
[10:03] <xubuntu22w> its a big list actually. the update size was almost 400 mb. And I'm very new :) can you please tell me what to look for?
[10:07] <brainwash> you could upload the list to a pastebin service
[10:07] <brainwash> !paste
[10:08] <brainwash> but with this amount of applied updates.. it could take some time to find the culprit
[10:09] <xubuntu22w> here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8538342/
[10:09] <xubuntu22w> no problem. thanks so much!
[10:15] <brainwash> not easy to tell
[10:15] <brainwash> I would suggest that you try to boot an older kernel
[10:15] <brainwash> downgrading the graphics driver might be not that easy
[10:16] <xubuntu22w> yes. I was thinking it was the screen resolution but maybe thats not true
[10:16] <xubuntu22w> ok
[10:17] <xubuntu22w> anyways. thanks for your input
[10:17] <brainwash> hopefully you'll find a fix for this glitch :)
[10:18] <xubuntu22w> :)
[11:40] <nvt_> hi, my xubuntu went automatically to "login screen", was it light locker, or how could I disable it
[11:50] <brainwash> nvt_: go to settings manager > light locker settings
[11:50] <nvt_> yes, I found that, but I was just checking if that functionality was actually the light locker or not :)
[11:50] <nvt_> bit annoying sinec it's remote laptop, and wouldn't like it to get to go to login screen automatically
[11:51] <brainwash> I guess so, please read http://xubuntu.org/news/screen-locking-in-xubuntu-14-04/
[11:51] <nvt_> ok, thanks
[14:05] <shambles> does changer your file browser change your copy/move dialogs as well? for example, would replacing xfdesktop and thunar with nemo give you nemo's copy/move dialogs?
[14:05] <shambles> changing*
[19:40] <xubuntu88w> Hello.  I don't see how to edit the Whisker Menu with MenuLibre.  How does one use MenuLibre?
[19:50] <elfy> xubuntu88w: right click on whiskermenu - edit applications
[19:54] <drc> Or Settings>Menu Editor...same thing :)
[19:56] <elfy> indeed :)
[19:57] <xubuntu88w> Thank you.  I know that.  I have it up but can't modify any menu item displayed--or not displayed--in Whisker Menu.  How do I use MenuLibre to put an omitted item in Whisker?
[19:59] <elfy> http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=menulibre_usage
[20:02] <xubuntu88w> Thanks.  I've seen those instructions and used them.  I believe that it didn't work, but I'll try it again.  It definitely is NOT easy; it's a pain in the #~!,*.  Far from drag-'n-drop, as with alacarte.
[20:03] <elfy> can't say I actually have any problems with it tbh
[20:04] <drc> TBH, it's not the most intuitive app I've ever seen...that said, I really don't have any problems using it. :)
[20:05] <elfy> oh - just had a thought xubuntu88w - you using trusty?
[20:05] <elfy> oh nvm - sorry - almost fed you a bum steer
[20:10] <xubuntu88w> Yes, 14.04.
[20:11] <elfy> there was an SRU pending - but it's not got to -proposed
[21:09] <xubuntu88w> I'm still trying to figure out how to get the System Updater entry instalaled in the System category of Whisker.  I've created the launcher and matched its charistics with those of MenuLibre's displayed System Updater entry, but it still doesn't show up in Whisker.
[21:10] <xubuntu88w> MenuLibre's instructions are as clear as mud.
[21:12] <bluesabre> xubuntu88w, remove all categories except "System" and save
[21:12] <bluesabre> (from that launcher)
[21:12] <xubuntu88w> For that matter, why the hell isn't the System Updater in the Whisker menu by default anyway?
[21:14] <bluesabre> because of the way the menu is structured, this is a known issue in trusty, and fixed in the upcoming utopic. If a launcher is found in the Settings Manager, its not in whisker menu
[21:14] <xubuntu88w> Thank you, bluesabre.  That did it.  Why did that work?  Why was deleting those other categories necessary?  Why, e.g., doesn't that launcher show up in those other listed categories?
[21:15] <bluesabre> because of the way the XDG Desktop Menu spec is set up, and the way the categories are defined in the menu files.  Some of those extra categories place it into the settings manager instead of the System menu
[21:16] <bluesabre> simplifying the categories helps get around some of those rules
[21:18] <xubuntu88w> Will that fix get retrofitted to 14.04?  I don't want my computer-illiterate friend to have to worry about upgrades every nine months.
[21:19] <xubuntu88w> Or to have to upgrade it myself.
[21:21] <ObrienDave> stick with LTS releases. 3 years support
[21:22] <xubuntu88w> Now I want to put Software Sources into Whisker's System menu.  Can't I just modify MenuLibre's entry of it in order to put it into Whisker/System?
[21:23] <bluesabre> yes, if you limit the categories to System it should display there as well
[21:30] <xubuntu88w> Well, I went through the single-step by step rigamarole to put it in there.  Again, why on earth wouldn't those items be in Whisker by default?
[21:32] <xubuntu88w> Oh, and rearranging the entries doesn't work, either.  I've put VLC at the top of MenuLibre's Multimedia category, but it still appears at the bottom of Whisker's.
[21:32] <ObrienDave> two different menu lists
[21:33] <xubuntu88w> Save seems not to work.
[21:33] <bluesabre> there's several issues with the current menulibre in trusty... 2.0.6 has resolved a large number of issues, but has not landed in the official updates yet.
[21:41] <xubuntu88w> Should I infer that they will--soon?
[21:41] <ObrienDave> infer all you like
[21:42] <xubuntu88w> Also, regarding your saying that simply removing all categories except System for Software Sources should put it in Whisker's System menu, what would that do to all those other categories?  I.e., what all other effects would that have?
[21:42] <ObrienDave> try it and see