[06:43] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:16] <Sick_Rimmit> Good morning lovely people in Kubuntu-Devel
[08:17] <Sick_Rimmit> I'm back after a crazy summer, and having started a new job...
[08:18] <soee> hiho Sick_Rimmit, started crazy job ? :)
[08:18] <Sick_Rimmit> Ah no the summer was Crazy, the Job is really fun, and interesting
[08:19] <Sick_Rimmit> I am hoping to align some of the work I am doing in my new role, with the changes that Harald has been proposing
[08:19] <Sick_Rimmit> In particular with regard to the Continous Integration arrangements..
[08:20] <valorie> what is your new job?
[08:20] <Sick_Rimmit> Anyway, just saying hi, and letting folks know I am kicking arounfd
[08:20] <valorie> hi, nice to see you back
[08:20] <Sick_Rimmit> Hi valorie I am Product Manager for WiFiSPARK Ltd. WiFi Network provision and management
[08:20] <valorie> interesting
[08:21] <valorie> what do you do with CI?
[08:21] <Sick_Rimmit> Well I don't at this moment, but..../
[08:21] <valorie> got it
[08:21] <Sick_Rimmit> We're expanding rapidly, and we need CI, and Automated Testing.
[08:21] <valorie> the future is still in front of us, but it's fun to see us moving towards it
[08:21] <Sick_Rimmit> I understand Kubuntu has been looking at this along with build and test automation using Jenkins
[08:22] <Sick_Rimmit> Git... etc...
[08:22] <Sick_Rimmit> I keep jumping in here at kubuntu and trying to get into helping with packaging, and all the work that this community is doing
[08:22] <valorie> yes, for sure
[08:22] <Sick_Rimmit> but I keep getting lost in the all docs and stuff.
[08:23] <Sick_Rimmit> Anyway, the key to the problem is being able to apply the required amount of time to get form problem to the solution.
[08:23] <valorie> yup
[08:24] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: welcome home :)
[08:24] <Sick_Rimmit> But what I am hoping to do is to align our work requirements for CI, by helping Kubuntu 
[08:24] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: kubuntu ci announcements happen in #kubuntu-ci
[08:24] <Sick_Rimmit> Hi Riddell
[08:24] <Riddell> there a bot says what's broken and what works
[08:24] <Sick_Rimmit> Ah ha will subscribe to that channel
[08:25] <Sick_Rimmit> Glad to be back, and going to be going through all my notes on packaging that we worked on together, and try to get the knowledge fixed in my head
[08:26] <Sick_Rimmit> Anyway, glad to be back..
[08:27]  * Sick_Rimmit grins and waves politely
[08:28] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: let me know if you need a tutorial or guidance
[08:30] <Sick_Rimmit> Riddell: Ok, thanks will do. I am planning to review my notes this week, check back with the documentation, and then have a go at rebuilding digiKam on Sunday night, but will look to you with any questions thanks again Riddell
[08:48] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: I think allee is looking at the new version of digikam
[08:48] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: there's bits in the needs-packaging queue if you want more than needs packaging
[08:48] <Riddell> s/than/that/
[08:48] <kubotu> Riddell meant: "Sick_Rimmit: there's bits in the needs-packaging queue if you want more that needs packaging"
[08:48] <Sick_Rimmit> Riddell: Oh that's OK, I will build it all locally, just to see how it goes
[08:49] <Sick_Rimmit> Riddell: I just need to do a little bit more, building on my local machine to build my confidence a little more, and experience some of the issues, and complexities
[08:50] <Sick_Rimmit> Then I reall hope I will be ready to have some of my packages sponsored and pushed up live...
[08:50] <Sick_Rimmit> Riddell: Truly, whilst I have done it I still feel like I have no clue what I am doing, and how it all fits together. But I will never give up
[08:51] <Sick_Rimmit> No retreat not surrender.
[08:51] <Sick_Rimmit> me smiles
[08:51] <Riddell> oh gosh you sound like iain paisley
[08:51]  * Sick_Rimmit grin
[08:51] <Sick_Rimmit> Was he a Kubuntu packaging Ninja ?
[08:51] <Sick_Rimmit> lol
[08:51] <valorie> Riddell: Paisley ended up useful
[08:52] <valorie> imo
[08:57] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: goodness no, a most unpleasant northern ireland politician
[08:57] <soee> valorie: are you using Plasma5 ?
[08:58] <Sick_Rimmit> Riddell: Yes, I was being comical.. I can't imagine Iain Paisely working out well at all in any Free / Open community..
[08:59] <Sick_Rimmit> Even less so now of course...
[09:00] <valorie> soee: I'll be back on plasma 5 if I can just get 3 more screws out of my test laptop
[09:01] <valorie> even if I can't, I guess I will duct tape it open and hope for the best (breaking/broken hinge)
[09:02] <valorie> I really loved it
[09:02] <soee> valorie: 3 more screws ?
[09:03] <valorie> 3 screws I swear they put there so they *couldn't* be removed
[09:03] <valorie> really wide heads and tiny little x in the middle
[09:03] <valorie> soooo tight
[09:05] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: remember it's RC week this week and final release next week so lots of announcements and testing to be done should you be looking for bits
[09:05] <Riddell> d_ed: you say kde-style-oxygen needs to be installed to keep kde4 themes in sync in plasma 5?
[09:05] <Sick_Rimmit> Absolutely, will get involved in that..
[09:06] <valorie> I'll test the RC this week at least, and also our KDE meetup thursday will experiment as well
[09:07] <soee> i need one more confirmation that this happens only to me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2DIHGhJIeg&feature=youtu.be
[09:17] <Riddell> q
[09:56] <Riddell> fixing milou package to allow full-upgrade from a plasma4 install to install plasma-desktop and not get held back
[09:58] <soee> Riddell: upgrade from plasam4 to plsam5 will be supported/available for any user ?
[09:58] <Riddell> soee: it'll be available, it'll be tech preview so no paticular guarantee of stability but if it causes obvious problems that'll be a fail
[09:59] <Riddell> no GUI for it
[09:59] <soee> ok
[11:17] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[11:17] <soee> hi BluesKaj
[11:18] <BluesKaj> hey soee
[11:34] <BluesKaj> soee, do you have cups printing  enabled and working , it's installed , but won't launch here
[11:34] <soee> nope, someone asked abput configuration module yesterday
[11:34] <BluesKaj> on plasma 4 
[11:34] <BluesKaj> err 5
[11:35] <soee> kcmshell4 kcm_printer_manager
[11:36] <soee> but im not sure if it is what you want, i have no printer :)
[11:43] <BluesKaj> soee, , that's it thanks
[11:43] <BluesKaj> it's on wife's pc , just needs to be setup
[11:45] <soee> Riddell: you did chnages in milou package right? the kubuntu-plasma5-desktop is marked to be removed now - is this safe ?
[11:46] <Riddell> um, wibble?
[11:46] <Riddell> not if you want to use kubuntu-plasma5-desktop
[11:46] <Riddell> I just make milou not break and provide milou-kf5 (or whatever the old name was)
[11:47] <Riddell> and I made kubuntu-plasma5-desktop not depend on milou (although plasma-workspace still does)
[11:47] <Riddell> soee: anyway pastebin what you have, I'm not sure I understand
[11:48] <soee> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8551946/
[11:48] <Riddell> umm
[11:49] <Riddell> soee: what happens if you  sudo apt install kubuntu-plasma5-desktop  ?
[11:50] <soee> Riddell: it just says it is in newest version already
[11:50] <Riddell> umm
[11:51] <Riddell> let me try a full-upgrade
[11:52] <Riddell> all good here
[11:52] <Riddell> soee: what happens if you apt install milou?
[11:55] <soee> Riddell: id id update again and now http://paste.ubuntu.com/8551995/
[11:55] <soee> seems ok ?
[11:59] <Riddell> soee: yep
[12:03] <sgclark> morning
[12:05] <shadeslayer> morning sgclark
[12:16] <Riddell> hola sgclark 
[12:49] <sgclark> Riddell: a bunch of these desktop-mime-but-no-exec-code. Do I care? if so how do I handle it? 
[12:51] <Riddell> sounds like lintian being silly
[12:51] <Riddell> sgclark: what files is it pointing to?
[12:51] <sgclark> desktop files. I compared one to one without error and the exec lines are indeed diffrent. sec let me paste
[12:53] <sgclark> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8552330/
[12:57] <Sick_Rimmit_Test> soee: Have got latest plasma5.1 build from yesterday, how do you have your desktop configured ?
[12:57] <Sick_Rimmit_Test> soee: I have so far not been able to replicate the bug you posted earlier
[12:57] <Riddell> sgclark: I don't know what you're compiling, point me to the source with the error
[12:58] <sgclark> Riddell: 4.14.2 link is in status..
[12:58] <soee> Sick_Rimmit_Test: define "how do you have your desktop configured"
[12:59] <sgclark> or topic rather
[12:59] <Sick_Rimmit_Test> soee: The Kicker menu. 
[13:00] <Sick_Rimmit_Test> soee: You have it so it automatically drills into each menu, mine does not do that by default, I wondered how to set that up
[13:00] <soee> Sick_Rimmit_Test: thers a setting to flat or not levels
[13:01] <Sick_Rimmit_Test> Ah OK, let me look for that.. see if I can replicatee
[13:01] <Sick_Rimmit_Test> Thanks
[13:14] <Riddell> sgclark: reading the description is seems like a reasonable thing to complain about, the .desktop file should have a %f or %u to open the mimetype with in the exec line
[13:14] <Riddell> sgclark: but it's not a new problem
[13:15] <Riddell> sgclark: report a bug upstream would be the thing to do
[13:15] <Riddell> and if you're feeling keen submit a patch with it
[13:15] <sgclark> ok
[13:18] <Sick_Rimmit_Test> soee: I'm sorry to bother you, but where abouts is the setting for Kicker for Menu levels, I can't seem to find it ?
[13:20] <sgclark> Riddell: several releases later artikulate is still broken due to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt-gstreamer/+bug/1336256 anyone you can poke?
[13:23] <Riddell> sgclark: not really, d_ed has said he will release now ktp and there's some debian people doing new kamoso but still all in progress
[13:24] <soee> Sick_Rimmit_Test: right click on the icon and go App menu settings
[13:26] <sgclark> okies
[13:28] <Sick_Rimmit_Test> soee: Ah I think I found it, is it the Switch Tabs in Hover check box ?
[13:30] <soee> Sick_Rimmit_Test: are you using the default Kicker or the homerun ?
[13:30] <Sick_Rimmit_Test> soee: I see the problem
[13:31] <Sick_Rimmit_Test> soee: I was using the Application Launcher (default)
[13:31] <Sick_Rimmit_Test> soee: I switched to Application Menu and now I have found the settings you are referring to
[13:31] <Sick_Rimmit_Test> soee: Thanks I will test your use can now
[13:37] <Sick_Rimmit_Test> soee: I got a repeat of your problem
[13:37] <Sick_Rimmit_Test> soee: Executable: plasmashell PID: 2031 Signal: Segmentation fault (11) Time: 13/10/2014 14:36:54
[13:38] <soee> oh so it happens with deeper levels of menu ni think
[13:38] <Sick_Rimmit_Test> soee: Well I have 3 levels, but I think that the issue may be related to how many entries get displayed before you choose something
[13:39] <Sick_Rimmit_Test> soee: To replicate I had to go up and down, and in and out of a few menu's without selection. Then suddenly I get a segfault
[13:40] <soee> if the menu is flated to 2 levels
[13:41] <soee> thers no such problem
[13:43] <Sick_Rimmit_Test> soee: testing
[13:45] <Riddell> hi manchicken, are you maintaining qapt?
[13:48] <Sick_Rimmit_Test> soee: I am not getting the fault, when Menu Flattened. However, I can't get a definitive crach when using multi-levels.. it just does it occassionally
[13:48] <Sick_Rimmit_Test> soee: I will keep working on this test machine, with the multi-level setup and see if I can capture some crash data.
[13:49] <Sick_Rimmit_Test> soee: If you have create a bug report, and let me have the number I can add my input to that too
[13:52] <soee> Sick_Rimmit_Test: im just trying to add one through automatic eport i just filled all info and cant send it 
[13:52] <soee> it says i have to boe logged in but i did login 
[13:54] <Sick_Rimmit_Test> soee: Ah, well I can try, once I get a repeat of the issue
[13:54] <soee> Sick_Rimmit_Test: do you know against which element it shoudl be reported: https://bugs.kde.org/describecomponents.cgi?product=plasmashell ?
[13:55] <soee> Kicker or Kickoff ?
[13:55] <soee> i think it woul;d be kicker
[13:57] <Sick_Rimmit_Test> soee: Its Kickoff I believe
[13:58] <Sick_Rimmit_Test> https://userbase.kde.org/Plasma_application_launchers
[14:00] <soee> hmm im a bit confused what is what :)
[14:00] <soee> anyway Sick_Rimmit_Test feel free to update https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=339932
[14:01] <Sick_Rimmit_Test> soee: Nice work, OK will post my updates later. thanks
[14:12] <soee> Riddell: how can i install debug symbols for /usr/bin/plasmashell and /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQt5Quick.so.5
[14:13] <Riddell> soee: plasma-workspace-dbg qtdeclarative5-dbg
[14:26] <soee> Riddell: thank you
[15:47] <kubotu> feed branches had 9 updates, showing the latest 6
[15:51] <Riddell> sgclark: on a roll?
[15:57] <sgclark> hehe
[16:47] <kubotu> feed branches had 7 updates, showing the latest 6
[16:57] <soee> how can i start plasmashell with some settings like mentioned here: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=339932 ?
[17:01] <shadeslayer> soee: QSG_RENDER_LOOP=basic plasmashell ?
[17:03] <soee> shadeslayer: but do i have to kill plasmashell before ?
[17:03] <shadeslayer> soee: yes
[17:04] <soee> ha i will use this magins spell: ALT + CTRL + ESC
[17:04] <soee> should this work to kill plasmashell ?
[17:06] <soee> it works ;) thanks
[17:07] <shadeslayer> yes
[17:07] <shadeslayer> or kquitapp5 plasmashell
[17:08]  * Riddell wanders out for the evening
[17:09] <soee> shadeslayer: worked and teh solution mentioned in comment also fixes teh problem :)
[17:10] <soee> so i hope thei fix it in 5.1.1
[17:10] <sgclark> 4.14.2 is ready for testing. It is a holiday here so I am going to enjoy a bit of it.
[17:10] <Riddell> awooga, thanks a lot sgclark 
[17:10] <sgclark> Riddell: ^
[17:10]  * soee cat test :)
[17:10] <Riddell> !testers | 4.14.2 in kubuntu-ninjas
[17:10] <soee> *can
[17:10] <sgclark> np. I will backport to trusty tomorrow
[17:10] <soee> ok i will test now
[17:11] <soee> or in 15 min
[17:11] <Riddell> soee: you have the secret details?
[17:11] <soee> Riddell: i think yes, the one you gave me some time ago, atm. disabled in source list
[17:11] <Riddell> yep
[17:11] <Riddell> on utopic
[17:11] <soee> hm
[17:11] <soee> one moment
[17:24] <soee> downloading, unpacking, configuring without errors
[17:29] <MichaelP> 14.10 with my usb harddrive pluged-in desktop freezes mouse moves.. but kmenu wont doing.. no right on desktop.. anything that is open will not close or minamize
[17:29] <soee> rebooting, brb
[17:30] <MichaelP> no reboots allowed
[17:30] <shadeslayer> !find /etc/mkinitcpio.conf utopic
[17:34] <soee> Riddell: super smooth upgrade