[07:50] <willcooke> morning
[08:02] <seb128> hey willcooke, how are you?
[08:02] <willcooke> morning seb128 - pretty good!  Got lots of slide prep to do today :/
[08:02] <seb128> good luck with that!
[08:02] <willcooke> :)
[08:02] <willcooke> thanks
[08:03] <Laney> yo yo yo
[08:03] <willcooke> 'sup Laney
[08:03] <willcooke> Laney, still hung over from the beer fest?
[08:03] <willcooke> ;)
[08:05] <Laney> hey
[08:05] <seb128> hey Laney, wie gehts?
[08:05] <Laney> willcooke: no hang over :P
[08:06] <Laney> A fair few thirds were consumed though
[08:06] <seb128> hang over is when you are done being drunk
[08:06] <seb128> Laney, still drunk then? ;-)
[08:06] <willcooke> :D
[08:06] <Laney> YOU GUYS ARE MY BEST FRIENDS
[08:07] <seb128> :-)
[08:08]  * willcooke hands laney a kebab
[08:08] <ogra_> why does this channel smell like a brewery this morning ?
[08:08] <willcooke> hahaha
[08:08] <willcooke> :)
[08:08]  * Laney starts a fight
[08:09] <willcooke> lol
[08:09]  * seb128 goes under the table
[08:09] <Laney> I remember tricking people into eating the super hot chili chocolate
[08:09] <Laney> good weekends everyone else? ;-)
[08:09] <seb128> by not telling them there was chili in the chocolate?
[08:10] <seb128> w.e was alright, we had a sunny sunday which was nice
[08:10]  * willcooke did this:  http://www.johnogauntgolfclub.co.uk/competition.php?compid=2587
[08:11] <Laney> good skills
[08:11] <willcooke> certain amount of luck in there :)
[08:11] <seb128> 1h40 of footing and some biking, otherwise mostly a quiet w.e here
[08:11] <seb128> hehe
[08:12] <Laney> footing?!
[08:12] <seb128> jogging
[08:12] <Laney> haha
[08:12] <seb128> we call that footing in french :p
[08:12] <seb128> well both words work here
[08:15] <TheMuso> Morning fellow desktoppers. :)
[08:15] <willcooke> heyhey TheMuso
[08:15] <Laney> woah
[08:15] <willcooke> good afternoon
[08:15] <willcooke> evening
[08:15] <Laney> what an unusual treat ;-)
[08:15] <Laney> hi TheMuso
[08:15] <TheMuso> willcooke: Try evening, yay timezone shifting. :)
[08:16] <TheMuso> Not usually on this late, but am currently around atm.
[08:33] <seb128> sooo
[08:33] <seb128> u-s-d idle fix landed
[08:34] <seb128> but I had u-s-d segfaulting on me a few times during the w.e :-/
[08:34] <Laney> bt?
[08:36] <seb128> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8551106/
[08:37] <seb128> that happened during "normal" desktop use iirc
[08:37] <seb128> like doing webbrowsing in an unlocked session
[08:37] <larsu> stop scrolling!
[08:38] <seb128> yeah, seems like I should ;-)
[08:38] <larsu> want me to have a look?
[08:39] <Laney> should be darkxst
[08:39] <seb128> if you want, sure
[08:39] <seb128> but what Laney said
[08:39] <seb128> was that the issue mentioned some days ago
[08:39] <seb128> device handling in gtk/clutter, he said that looked like a bug in gtk?
[08:41] <larsu> ah okay. Let me know
[08:42]  * larsu goes back to i-messages 
[08:52] <seb128> Laney, the evo stack has a point update if you fancy working on that
[08:53] <Laney> yeah I saw it on ftp-release-list
[08:53] <Laney> gtk2 too
[08:55] <seb128> right
[08:55] <seb128> Laney, well, that was sort of "do you want to do it, should I have a look, do you want to split?"
[08:57] <Laney> nah I'm doing those today
[08:57] <Laney> unless you want it
[08:58] <seb128> not especially, no, please do those ;-)
[08:58] <seb128> thanks
[09:10] <darkxst> hi seb128 Laney larsu
[09:10] <seb128> hey darkxst
[09:10] <seb128> how are you?
[09:10] <larsu> hi darkxst
[09:10] <darkxst> I'm good, winter is back though!
[09:11] <seb128> winter is good!
[09:11]  * seb128 doesn't like automn when it's windy and rainy
[09:11] <darkxst> its both those here today!
[09:11] <hyperair> come live in eternal summer, and you'll appreciate wind and rain
[09:11] <Laney> this is today
[09:11] <Laney> http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/2641170
[09:11] <darkxst> hyperair, I don't like summer!
[09:12] <hyperair> darkxst: i know, right? now imagine living in a country that only has that.
[09:13] <seb128> Laney, that weather seems about right for the u.k!
[09:13] <Laney> it's payback for the nice summer/early autumn
[09:15] <darkxst> seb128,  that is not the same issue as the double free issue
[09:16] <seb128> no it's not
[09:32] <ogra_> hmm, evolution seems to have some theme issues again in utopic
[09:32] <ogra_> (i upgraded on the weekend)
[09:33] <ogra_> selected mails in the list have a blue selection ... and in the preferences the "mail options" have black background
[09:34] <ogra_> oh, and the frame around the preview is dark grey
[09:34] <ogra_> i cant find any open bugs about any of these
[09:35] <seb128> larsu, ^ some theming issues in there :-/
[09:36] <larsu> ogra_: can you post a screenshot please?
[09:37] <ogra_> i have played with gtk-theme-config, so the blue stuff is gone ... but i can make screenshots for the other two, yeah
[09:38] <larsu> gtk-theme-config?
[09:39] <ogra_> larsu, http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/evo1.png and http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/evo2.png
[09:41] <larsu> ogra_: thanks. The gray brackground in evo1.png is wanted, no?
[09:41] <ogra_> larsu, for the blue ... only the "tim.gardner@" on the right side was blueish ... the folder view on the left was fine
[09:41] <ogra_> dunno, its new in utopic
[09:41] <ogra_> was white in trusty ... might be that it is wanted though
[09:42] <larsu> not sure tbh
[09:42] <ogra_> heh
[09:42] <larsu> I remember fixing it to set the right style clas
[09:42] <larsu> *class
[09:42] <larsu> I'll look into it in any case
[09:42] <ogra_> the orange is hard to read on grey though
[09:42] <larsu> I agree
[09:43] <ogra_> (i could live with that one, but the blue and black look quite out of place)
[09:43] <larsu> I don't see the blue... what exactly did you do to get rid of it?
[09:44] <ogra_> just run gtk-theme-config  and click around in it ...
[09:44] <larsu> ok
[09:44] <larsu> thanks
[09:44] <ogra_> not sure where that wrtes to or what it exactly changes, if you know, tell me and i can wipe it
[09:44] <ogra_> (to show you the blue)
[09:45] <ogra_> i dont seem to be able to get it back into the blue state using that tool though
[09:45] <larsu> I didn't know about that program until 5 minutes ago ;)
[09:45] <ogra_> haha
[09:45] <larsu> maybe you had an local override somewhere? I can't reproduce the blue-ness here
[09:46] <seb128> larsu, using o-s?
[09:46] <larsu> ah stop, I can!
[09:46] <seb128> just asking in case :p
[09:46] <ogra_> not sure, where would they live ?
[09:46] <larsu> seb128: :P
[09:46] <ogra_> ah, god :)
[09:46] <larsu> seb128: (of course)
[09:46] <ogra_> *good even
[10:10] <larsu> ugh. New evolution is doing it _very_ wrong...
[10:11] <larsu> looking up color variable names from the css instead of setting classes
[10:11] <larsu> of course, our themes don't use the same variable names as Adwaita.....
[10:11] <larsu> *sigh*
[10:18] <ogra_> yay, consistency
[12:07] <Laney> happyaron: do you think you could help with sponsoring for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libkkc/+bug/1374949 ?
[12:07] <Laney> ibus-kkc is awaiting pkg-ime in Debian
[12:32] <seb128> I'm away for some errands, bbiab
[14:26] <pitti> so this is XFCE
[14:27] <pitti> of course compiz starts crashing every 2 mins right when I'm on a conference :/
[14:27] <larsu> hi pitti! How's plumbers? And why xfce?
[14:27] <pitti> larsu: it was the first thing that came to my mind wrt. "I need another WM"
[14:27] <pitti> and gnome-shell pulls in gdm and a lot of other stuff
[14:28] <Laney> how's it crashing?
[14:28] <pitti> I'm running into bug 1366351
[14:28] <Laney> ah
[14:28] <Laney> it's the one where Trevinho was asking for people who could reproduce?
[14:28] <pitti> I already reset most of my dconf settings, but didn't help
[14:29] <pitti> it just started out of the blue yesterday; apparently related to using the internal laptop screen instead of my usual external one
[14:29] <pitti> but I haven't seen it (that badly at least) earlier
[14:30] <larsu> pitti: unity not working out for you anymore?
[14:30] <pitti> it crashes with that every minute or so, and it always completely shuffles my windows and workspaces, so it's way too annoying
[14:32] <larsu> :/ I have this as well, but not nearly as often
[14:52] <tkamppeter> seb128, hi
[15:05] <larsu> seb128, ogra_: https://code.launchpad.net/~larsu/ubuntu-themes/evolution-fixes/+merge/238174
[15:25] <willcooke> errrrrr
[15:25] <willcooke> that was suboptimal
[15:26] <willcooke> my laptop just turned itself off and back on again for no reason and no warning
[15:26] <ogra_> larsu, wow, thats a lot 1
[15:27] <ogra_> !
[15:27] <ogra_> (and thanks !!)
[15:28] <seb128> tkamppeter, hey
[15:28] <seb128> willcooke, do you have a crash for unity-settings-daemon?
[15:28] <seb128> larsu, danke
[15:29] <Laney> he's on trusty afaik, and that wouldn't make your laptop turn off
[15:29] <mdeslaur> seb128: so, what's the deal with CSD? gnote is looking way out of place..
[15:31] <willcooke> seb128, nothing in syslog
[15:32] <seb128> Laney, it makes my screen turn off for some seconds and come back on
[15:32] <seb128> mdeslaur, Trevinho is working on it, feel free to nag him or bregma
[15:32] <mdeslaur> seb128: cool, thanks
[15:32] <seb128> willcooke, did you plug/unplug/close lid/...?
[15:32] <mdeslaur> Trevinho, bregma: nag nag, whine whine
[15:32] <willcooke> Laney, seb128 yeah my laptop really did turn off - back to the bios screen
[15:33] <Laney> and you're still on 14.04?
[15:33] <willcooke> Laney, yeah
[15:33] <willcooke> on this machine at least
[15:33] <willcooke> my "playing" machine is 14.10
[15:33] <Laney> seb128 was suspecting a utopic bug
[15:33] <Laney> just making sure it isn't that
[15:33] <willcooke> this smells like a hardware fault to me
[15:33] <willcooke> because
[15:34] <tkamppeter> seb128, would it be a problem to let s-c-p depend on smbclient (so making smbclient part of the default installation)? To fix bug 1366756.
[15:34] <willcooke> a) it was sudden
[15:34] <willcooke> b) my computer is *just* out of warranty
[15:34] <Laney> I'd find the /var/log/kern.log.something corresponding to that boot and see if there's anything at the point it happened
[15:35] <willcooke> Laney, already checked, nothing at all
[15:35] <seb128> tkamppeter, that would need a ffe at least
[15:36] <seb128> willcooke, could be an hardware issue...
[15:36] <willcooke> :'(
[15:36] <willcooke> I hope it was just "one of those things"
[15:37] <willcooke> if it does it again I will have to find my wallet
[15:37] <Laney> tkamppeter: can't you make it conditional?
[15:37] <willcooke> if the moths haven't destroyed it
[15:37] <tkamppeter> seb128, or is smbclient already part of the standard installation (for example to find network file shares)?
[15:38] <tkamppeter> Laney, what do you mean with "conditional"?
[15:38] <seb128> tkamppeter, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/utopic-desktop-amd64.manifest
[15:38] <seb128> tkamppeter, libsmbclient is
[15:41] <Trevinho> mdeslaur: support for managing windows (resizing, shadows...) is coming to unity in next landing, to get the proper theming of them we'd need some more work wich I'm doing
[15:41] <Trevinho> Laney: yes, I think that's the bug.. The fact is that the stacktrace doesn't say anything relevant about compiz/unity
[15:42] <seb128> Trevinho, what bug are you talking about?
[15:42] <seb128> Trevinho, is that known that compiz/unity segfaults when unity-settings-daemon goes down?
[15:42] <Laney> tkamppeter: Looks like that method is used elsewhere in s-c-p anyway
[15:42] <Laney> I think you need to port it
[15:42] <Trevinho> seb128: 1366351
[15:42] <Trevinho> seb128: oh, is that related to u-s-d?
[15:44] <seb128> Trevinho, well, I don't know, I just know that "stop unity-settings-daemon" or when you have it to segfault
[15:44] <Trevinho> mh
[15:55] <seb128> Trevinho, does it happen for you?
[15:56] <mdeslaur> Trevinho: thanks
[16:01] <Trevinho> seb128: I can't kill it now, I'll do son
[16:01] <Trevinho> soon*
[17:07] <Laney> right, see you
[17:15] <seb128> Laney, have fun!
[17:27] <happyaron> Laney: yes, I asked them to file the FFe
[17:27] <happyaron> Laney: I'll take care of reviewing and uploading
[18:57] <willcooke> morning robert_ancell
[18:57] <robert_ancell> willcooke, hey, forgot about daylight savings again
[18:57] <willcooke> ha!
[18:58] <robert_ancell> but can meeting whenever you are ready
[18:58] <willcooke> that would be great!
[18:58] <willcooke> robert_ancell, you need 5 mins first?
[18:58] <robert_ancell> nope
[18:58]  * willcooke joins the hangout
[19:28] <robert_ancell> desrt, regarding grabs and gtk-mir - is there anything that strictly needs them? i.e. if the shell does the "correct" behaviour for menus/tooltips can we just stub them all out?
[19:30] <willcooke> g'night
[20:21] <desrt> robert_ancell: wayland lacks grabs, so ....
[20:21] <desrt> robert_ancell: i'm sure anything that is "needed" is going to be worked around anyway
[20:22] <robert_ancell> desrt, yeah, I thought so. I just wasn't sure if there was a gotcha somewhere
[20:24] <desrt> i don't think there will be
[20:24] <desrt> there is one minor issue but it won't impact us, i think: key binding selectors
[20:25] <desrt> ie: click here to select the new key for feature X
[20:25] <desrt> that will require a grab or a special protocol or something
[20:25] <desrt> i didn't hear anything from wayland about how they were going to deal with this yet....
[20:25] <desrt> but something to keep an eye for
[20:25]  * desrt is on a plane, getting ready to take off -- talk to you in a few days :)