[05:36] <Spydar007> There's a program I want to use that only works on Debian, but my server has Ubuntu (and no, I can't just change it to Debian), someone told me you can run a Debian Virtual Environment through Ubuntu, how do I do this?
[06:43] <lordievader> Good morning.
[06:43] <lordievader> micah: I understand that. Just thought it would be nice to know in case you didm't/
[06:43] <lordievader> didn't*
[06:44] <Sachiru> Ubuntu is reskinned debian with a few custom libraries.
[06:45] <Sachiru> If it works in debian it will surely work in ubuntu, assuming the necessary dependencies are in place.
[06:51] <lordievader> Sachiru: That is a bit crude and not allways true.
[06:52] <Aporie_> Hello, what the right way to restart "notworking service" in 14.04 LTS ?? Can't do anything with "sudo service stop" and "/etc/init.d/netw... stop". Anyone have an idea ?
[06:53] <Sachiru> Not working service, or networking service?
[06:53] <Sachiru> @lordievader: My apologies, then. But the fact is that it it works in debian it will almost always work in Ubuntu
[06:53] <Sachiru> Granted that the necessary dependencies are in place.
[06:54] <lordievader> In most cases that is true ;)
[06:55] <Sachiru> Aporie_, do you want to restart a service that is not working, or do you want to restart the networking service?
[06:56] <lordievader> Aporie_: Does 'sudo service networking stop/restart' not work???
[06:57] <sarnold> Aporie_: do NOT run "service networking restart", that either makes the machine nearly unusable or it doesn't do anything at all, depending upon the version you've got.
[06:58] <lordievader> Hmm, yes perhaps it ain't a good idea...
[06:58] <sarnold> Aporie_: use ifup and ifdown on individual interfaces or use the -a command line option
[06:58] <lordievader> Apologies.
[06:59] <Sachiru> Also if you do use ifup and ifdown, use && to wrap them in the same command line, especially if you are ifdown-ing a system without IPMI while you are SSHed into it
[06:59] <Aporie_> sarnold, yeah I've useder "service netwsorking restart" and it didn't work
[06:59] <Aporie_> sarnold, using ifdown and ifup works well !
[06:59] <Aporie_> thanks
[06:59] <Sachiru> Perhaps you need to spell better?
[06:59] <sarnold> Sachiru: hah, yes, good advice.
[07:00] <sarnold> Aporie_: if it just didn't work, you got lucky :) hehe
[07:00] <sarnold> Sachiru: lol
[07:00] <Sachiru> sarnold, Burned several times with ifdown-ing an interface while connected via ssh to it without adding the && ifup
[07:00] <Aporie_> sarnold, ok so I guess I'm
[07:50] <Aporie_> sarnold, one more question, do you know if wifi is abled on boot by default ?
[07:52] <lordievader> Aporie_: You can have the interface up on boot (if configured), letting it connect to a network on boot is tricky.
[07:55] <Aporie_> lordievader, I've just configured a working wifi network. But It spend a lot of time to connect to it. I would like to reduce the time getting access to the network ...
[07:56] <nokut> Hello everybody
[08:00] <lordievader> Aporie_: There are guides online, but like I said, it's tricky.
[09:32] <|\n> excuse me, guys, i wonder if this is a solid reason... i see "gzip: stdout: No space left on device " while updating /boot related packages, my vps provider made it this way: "/dev/vda1 96M 77M 14M 85% /boot "
[09:35] <|\n> so am i correct reporting this as an issue to ticket system, since i havn't touch anything on special purposes?
[09:36]  * maxb does not think "I have filled up my partition" is a bug.
[09:36] <rbasak> |\n: http://askubuntu.com/q/2793/7808
[09:39] <|\n> maxb, indeed, but it's not me who made it this tiny =)
[09:40] <|\n> thank you, rbasak
[09:40] <|\n> however, there is only 1 previous version
[09:42] <lordievader> |\n: This is an issue with your hoster, not with Ubuntu.
[09:43] <|\n> lordievader, that is exactly what i meant, sorry for not pointing that out clearly
[09:43] <lordievader> |\n: Okay, then we are on the same page ;)
[09:44] <maxb> It is a bit on the small side, but seems like it should fit two kernels, which is enough
[09:44] <|\n> it's just 14mb free so i was in doubt still
[09:44] <lordievader> Ubuntu's initramfss
[09:45] <lordievader> are large...
[09:45] <|\n> yeah, maxb, but appears not, because since linux-image-3.13.0-35-generic* linux-image-extra-3.13.0-35-generic* were removed, `dpkg --onfigure -a` fixed it all
[10:02] <Aporie_> lordievader, still on the configuration of wifi. I don't know why it's not working whereas, in dmesg, seems to be started at boot : http://pastebin.com/291s3Y0j
[10:02] <Aporie_> any idea ?
[10:04] <Aporie_> Is the troubleshoot comming from dhclient ?
[10:12] <nokut> what is the best method of taking a backup of wiki server (ubuntu 12.04)?
[10:15] <nokut> we want to take (preferably) dynamic backups of the server until somebody else can take the responsibility of maintenance
[10:17] <|\n> some cron for db backups maybe and some duplicity maybe, nokut?
[10:23] <nokut> ok, thanks |\n
[10:24] <nokut> can you use external usb drive in combination with anyone of those tools_
[10:30] <|\n> nokut, i never had such a need, in terms of backing up to usb, but it is totally possible, especially taking in view udev rules: "the certain usb plugged - backup started", ideally
[10:31] <|\n> scp/sftp/nfs/smb/ftp or piping via sockets sorcery lol, why usb
[10:39] <lordievader> Aporie_: How have you configured the device?
[10:41] <lordievader> Heh you do get connected, that is more than I've achieved ;)
[10:46] <nokut> sorry it took long; usb is handy - we have some disks with enough capacity laying around unused
[10:53] <Aporie_> lordievader, yeah, but the I can't understand the troubleshoot. It's like the wifi is associated but have no access to internet
[10:53] <Aporie_> ping google.fr
[10:53] <|\n> if you have a real goal of providing backup services for your infrastructure i would subjectively advice to gather those hdds "under one roof" via buying a 1 single box with jbod or even build a raid5, not that expensive, but a real investment if compared
[10:53] <Aporie_> bug .. sorry
[10:55] <lordievader> Aporie_: That you are connected does not mean you have an ip ;), what's in /etc/network/interfaces?
[10:55] <Aporie_> wait have to put ethernet link to connect by ssh
[11:00] <Aporie> lordievader http://pastebin.com/6yFdh778
[11:01] <lordievader> Aporie: Hmm did it get that ip?
[11:01] <Aporie> the strange thing is that I plug ethernet link, I have the .25 ip active
[11:02] <Aporie> http://pastebin.com/PGXnqVbU
[11:03] <Aporie> when I plug*
[11:03] <lordievader> Aporie: Can you ping your gateway through the wlan0 device?
[11:03] <Aporie> have to try this
[11:04] <RoyK> Aporie: your routing table will be a bit funny with that setup
[11:04] <Aporie> yeah I can
[11:04] <RoyK> Aporie: since the cabled and the wireless are connected to the same network and you've given two default gateways
[11:05] <Aporie> RoyK, How have I to configure the /etc/network/interfaces then ?
[11:05] <RoyK> Aporie: what are you trying to do here? please explain
[11:06] <Aporie> I'm trying to get wifi connexion active on my server on boot
[11:06] <Aporie> without ehternet cable plugged in
[11:06] <RoyK> Aporie: why do you want two different connections to the same IP network?
[11:07] <lordievader> Aporie: Will it be the default interface?
[11:07] <Aporie> yeah it will be
[11:07] <RoyK> the 'default interface' will be the one with the default gateway
[11:07] <Aporie> But I want the two working
[11:07] <lordievader> Aporie: Wifi on a server... imo not a good idea.
[11:07] <RoyK> try 'netstat -rn'
[11:07] <RoyK> lordievader: depends what you're doing - for a home server, it could be fine
[11:07] <nokut> |\n - Thanks, but we need this is only as a temporary solution
[11:08] <lordievader> Give the wlan0 device the default gateway and comment it for the eth0 device.
[11:08] <Aporie> Yeah it's a home personnal server
[11:08]  * RoyK has also been using wifi for home servers
[11:08] <lordievader> I suppose but if you have the option of going with cable, why not...
[11:08] <|\n> nokut, here is a saying: "there is no anything more stable, than something temporary" =)
[11:08] <RoyK> lordievader: might be a bit messy with lots of cables around
[11:09] <RoyK> Aporie: can you try to disable eth0? that should probably do it
[11:09] <RoyK> erm - p2p1
[11:09] <RoyK> just comment out "auto p2p1"
[11:09] <RoyK> and restart the networking (or give it a reboot, for good measure)
[11:12] <Aporie> I've change the order of the connexion appearing in /network/interface
[11:12] <Aporie> and put the gateway to the first one (wifi connexion)
[11:12] <RoyK> Aporie: remove "default gateway" on the p2p1
[11:12] <RoyK> the order doesn't matter
[11:12] <RoyK> the config does
[11:12] <Aporie> HEHE ! Seems to be working !!
[11:14] <Aporie> ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.25 port 22: No route to host .... hmm
[11:15] <lordievader> Can you ping the host?
[11:16] <|\n> i bet that routing is broken, since it says there is none D:
[11:16] <Aporie>  iwlwifi 0000:02:00.0: No association and the time event is over already...
[11:16] <Aporie> in dmesg
[11:16] <lordievader> There you go ;)
[11:19] <Aporie> lordievader, I can't ping the host, but it tied to do it from .24 ip (which is the ethernet ip) and not from the .25 ip (which is the wifi one)
[11:20] <lordievader> Aporie: Well you are not associated with a network, ofcourse you cannot ping the host ;)
[11:21] <RoyK> Aporie: pastebin netstat -rn
[11:23] <Aporie> http://pastebin.com/CwtPr2H1
[11:23] <RoyK> looks good to me
[11:23] <RoyK> can you ping 192.168.0.1 ?
[11:23] <Aporie> and the new netwok/interfaces file : http://pastebin.com/2KeAFMVy
[11:24] <RoyK> and output of 'ifconfig' ?
[11:24] <Aporie> RoyK no I can't
[11:24] <Aporie> http://pastebin.com/1pKnabt1
[11:25] <Aporie> why, in the result of netstat the destination is 192.168.0.0 ?
[11:25] <RoyK> hm... try to 'ifdown p2p1' and try again. also, pastebin 'ethtool wlan0' and 'iwconfig wlan0'
[11:25] <lordievader> Is your wifi associated with your network?
[11:26] <Aporie> lordievader, Yeah I think
[11:26] <lordievader> Aporie: You think... please check it, iwconfig
[11:26] <Aporie> iwconfig shows result
[11:27] <RoyK> lordievader: config looks right for what he's pastebinned so far
[11:28] <RoyK> Aporie: did you try to ifdown p2p1?
[11:28] <Aporie> RoyK yeah just did it
[11:28] <lordievader> 13-13:16 < Aporie>  iwlwifi 0000:02:00.0: No association and the time event is over already...
[11:28] <lordievader> Hence I'm asking.
[11:28] <Aporie> And I still have internet access
[11:29] <Aporie> with wifi connexion... I can't understand anything
[11:30] <Aporie> installing ethool
[11:31] <Aporie> there is no ethool packages
[11:33] <Aporie> So for now, I'm connected to network with the wifi
[11:33] <lordievader> Aporie: It's ethtool ;)
[11:33] <Aporie> problem is the wifi get working when plugging ethernet cable ...
[11:33] <lordievader> Aporie: Nah, I think it then reroutes it over the cable.
[11:34] <Aporie> ok thanks lordievader
[11:34] <Aporie> cable is not linked in for now, and I'm connecting by ssh to the server
[11:35] <Aporie>  Link detected: yes result from ethtool
[11:35] <Aporie> and that WON is not active
[11:36] <Aporie> http://pastebin.com/9rjcbQni
[11:36] <lordievader> Hmm, that looks correct.
[11:37] <Aporie> SO everything seems correct, but the wifi connexion get active when plugging the ehernet cable
[11:38] <Aporie> is the problem could come from bios settings ?
[11:39] <Aporie> but it's stupid the make the wifi active just when ethernet cable is plugged in
[11:39] <Aporie> to make*
[11:39] <lordievader> Aporie: Is the output of iwconfig the same when the ethernet cable is disconnected?
[11:40] <Aporie> yes
[11:40] <lordievader> Hmm, most interesting...
[11:40] <Aporie> association is working but not getting ip address without ethernet cable
[11:42] <lordievader> Aporie: Does it work when you use dhcp?
[11:42] <Aporie> Is the problem could come from a too weak bitrate ??
[11:42] <Aporie>  Bit Rate=144.4 Mb/s fro now
[11:43] <Aporie> but if I remember fine, it was like 50Mb /s before plugging ethernet cable
[11:44] <lordievader> As long as it doesn't drop to 1/2 Mbps, it should be fine.
[11:44] <Aporie> Haaaa !!!
[11:44] <Aporie> I've putted a mac filtering on my box
[11:44] <Aporie> to the ethernet card
[11:48] <rbasak> jpds: any news on strongswan please? Final freeze is this week.
[11:50] <Aporie> I deleted the mac filter address from my box ... it's not working too
[11:51] <Aporie> I despair
[11:56] <Aporie> It doesn't work with dhcp too
[12:18] <RoyK> queorgullo is a spambot - any ops here?
[12:20] <|\n> ^ i confirm the above
[12:39] <Aporie> lordievader, RoyKI, Ok it finally works ! This is the /etc/network/interfaces file which allowed the wifi to work : http://pastebin.com/4TF6j30V
[12:40] <Aporie> The fact is, when booting the server, during plymouth, I have a message like it can't find a proper network configuration ... Asking to wait 60 sec to configure network... After that, all is working !
[12:41] <Aporie> And nothing bad in dmesg
[12:41] <Aporie> Don't care. The good point is that the server is working with wifi now, and it's good for my small appartment :)
[12:41] <Aporie> Thanks you to you guys : lordievader, RoyK
[12:42] <lordievader> Aporie: How is that last one different from earlier?
[12:44] <Aporie> lordievader : haha ... I don't know. I've just remove the lines for the ethernet config
[12:44] <Aporie> have to eat now ... working on that fu**** problem since this morning
[12:57] <RoyK> Aporie: goodie
[13:22] <jamespage> apw, smb - how's you IPv6?v
[13:22] <jamespage> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1380614
[13:23] <smb> jamespage, ignored mostly on my side
[13:23] <jamespage> :-(
[13:23] <smb> jamespage, apw is a bit better there
[13:23] <smb> just distracted right now
[13:24] <jamespage> I suspect stgraber might be good for that as well
[13:25] <smb> jamespage, we can ask him later. he currently is at the (other) conference but we will see him sooner or later
[13:25] <jamespage> ack
[13:38] <apw> jamespage, what is the problem with this mngtmpaddr ?
[13:39] <jamespage> apw, I was not expecting it to be marked as such as I don't think it is a mngtmpaddr
[13:39] <jamespage> its diff behaviour to 14.04
[13:39] <apw> 3.13 doesn't have that flag
[13:39] <jamespage> apw, so when do interfaces get that flag?
[13:41] <apw> jamespage, it is something userspace requests, iproute2 for instance
[13:41] <apw> commit 53bd674915379d91e0e505332c89741b34eab05c
[13:41] <apw> Author: Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us>
[13:41] <apw> Date:   Fri Dec 6 09:45:22 2013 +0100
[13:41] <apw>     ipv6 addrconf: introduce IFA_F_MANAGETEMPADDR to tell kernel to manage temporary addresses
[13:41] <jamespage> apw, hmm
[13:41] <apw> network manager is given as an example allowing it to request privacy addresses be used
[13:43] <killall> Any way i can recover a root password of a machine? Im in recovery mode and when i type root it asks for root password for maintenance or Ctrl+d to continue.  :/ 12.04
[13:46] <lordievader> killall: Root shouldn't have a password on Ubuntu.
[13:47] <killall> ctrl + d to continue or give root password for maintenance
[13:47] <killall> queorgullo:  is spamming me.
[13:48] <killall> lordievader:  it asks for a password
[14:14] <lordievader> killall: Ubuntu's policy is to keep the root account deactivated. But anyhow do you have access to the filesystem?
[14:15] <killall> lordievader:  rw init=/bin/bash in grub fixed :D
[14:16] <lordievader> Hmm, I suppose that'll work too.
[14:20] <killall> lordievader:  yeap worked
[14:29] <|\n> killall, i admire with your nick
[14:29] <killall> ;)
[14:29] <fiyawerx> hey guys - i have a fairly plain ubuntu server set up in a vm, but some apps have been filling my / (via /tmp) so I watned to add a second drive to use just for /tmp, is there a "proper" way to add it via lvm or can I just format it and add it to fstab? Is there something I need to watch out for?
[14:30] <killall> |\n:  your nick i s way cooler :D
[14:30] <fiyawerx> I added the drive, so I see it on the server (/dev/sdb) - just not sure how to proceed
[14:31] <lordievader> fiyawerx: Instead of adding a drive isn't it better to address the issue?
[14:32] <fiyawerx> lordievader: it's Plex - with a few streams transcoding at the same time a total of 8Gb on the filesystem isn't enough
[14:33] <lordievader> Hmm, I see.
[14:33] <fiyawerx> I guess I could give the drive specifically to plex and let the regular system stuff use /tmp normally, still
[14:33] <fiyawerx> actually, i think i like that better
[14:33] <lordievader> fiyawerx: So you want to enlarge your volume group and add an lv for /tmp?
[14:33] <fiyawerx> so I guess I can really mount it anywhere, not /tmp
[14:34] <fiyawerx> lordievader: if it's going to be a full "disk" is there a benefit to doing it that way as opposed to a direct format/mount?
[14:34] <lordievader> fiyawerx: The way you describe it you need to create a new vg and add the secondary hdd as a pv to it.
[14:35] <lordievader> fiyawerx: Well the bonus of lvm is that it is more flexible, if say you add a drive of 20 Gb and it turns out only 10 Gb is used, the other 10Gb is not wasted but can be allocated elsewhere.
[14:36] <fiyawerx> or - the converse, if I'm adding a 16GB drive now as say /plextmp, I could expand that if it turns out it's not enoughs pace?
[14:36] <lordievader> fiyawerx: Jup, just add another pv.
[14:36] <fiyawerx> perfect, thank you
[14:37] <fiyawerx> never had to play with the lvm stuff manually after the initial setup, gonna look it up now adding a new drive
[14:37] <lordievader> fiyawerx: It's good to have some understanding of it before you start messing with it on a production machine.
[14:38] <fiyawerx> yeah, this is running in an esxi host too, so its "production" but mainly my kids are the primary users heh. I took a snapshot to be safe.
[15:20] <FlorianSW> Hello together! I have a little problem with the startup of my ubuntu server 14.04, hope someone can give me advise :) It seems, that services starting with an upstart script works perfectly, but services with an init.d script doesn't start at ubuntu boot (rc.local isn't executed, too) :/ (tracked down to this in order of http://askubuntu.com/questions/536152/sysvinit-services-not-starting-on-boot-upstart-services-starting )
[15:21] <FlorianSW> Does someone has an idea why?
[15:51] <fiyawerx> lordievader: thanks, I think I got it working now, got a new 16GB lv mounted as /plextmp
[16:05] <lordievader> fiyawerx: No problem ;)
[16:13] <FlorianSW> Hello together! I have a little problem with the startup of my ubuntu server 14.04, hope someone can give me advise :) It seems, that services starting with an upstart script works perfectly, but services with an init.d script doesn't start at ubuntu boot (rc.local isn't executed, too) :/ (tracked down to this in order of http://askubuntu.com/questions/536152/sysvinit-services-not-starting-on-boot-upstart-services-starting )
[16:14] <rbasak> FlorianSW: check /etc/init/rc.conf. This is the upstart job responsible for running Sys V init scripts.
[16:15] <FlorianSW> rbasak: ah, ok, will check, thanks :)
[16:48] <FlorianSW> rbasak: ping, around?
[17:08] <dcmwai> Hello all
[17:08] <dcmwai> would like to ask about maas
[17:09] <dcmwai> am I on the right channel? or there are another #ubuntu-clouds :)
[17:09] <dcmwai> What is MAAS and any info on that
[17:09] <sarnold> dcmwai: there is also a #maas
[17:09] <dcmwai> I only see installation
[17:09] <dcmwai> but don't see what is the use
[17:11] <dcmwai> sarnold, just to check..
[17:11] <dcmwai> If I already runing vm..
[17:11] <dcmwai> I shouldn't be running maas right :)
[17:11]  * dcmwai is confused...
[17:11] <sarnold> dcmwai: it might not be worth the hassle if you've only got a few VMs
[17:11] <dcmwai> ok I'm on this..
[17:11] <dcmwai> http://maas.ubuntu.com/docs/about.html
[17:11] <dcmwai> sarnold, I see ok
[17:12] <sarnold> dcmwai: if you've got a few real computers, it might be more useful; if you have racks upon racks of them, it might be the thing that saves your sanity :)
[17:19] <FlorianSW> i'm now at the point (again) where I do not know what to do: It seems, that /etc/init/rc-sysinit.conf successfully executes /etc/init.d/rcS which executes /etc/init.d/rc S (in init.d/rc i have inserted a new line to log the runlevel (S is logged)
[17:19] <FlorianSW> After this /etc/init/rc-sysinit.conf executes telinit "${DEFAULT_RUNLEVEL}" (DEFAULT_RUNLEVEL is 2, tracked with logger), which should trigger /etc/init.d/rc to run, right? But i haven't a new log line and no runlevel 2 logged :(
[17:19] <RoyK> dcmwai: for just a few VMs, just run KVM/libvirt
[17:20] <dcmwai> RoyK, ok thank you :)
[17:53] <Phibs> anyone using apt-mirror, or is there a better alternative ?
[18:06] <qman__> Phibs: I use a squid proxy for apt
[18:40] <tgm4883> Phibs: it depends on what you are trying to accomplish
[18:40] <tgm4883> is it for a few machines, or a lot
[18:42] <tgm4883> Phibs: actually, looking at it now I guess I am using ubumirror
[19:39] <med_> zul, will the release Juno go into proposed on Friday?
[19:39] <med_> UCA trusty -proposed?
[20:16] <adam_g> jamespage, may want to keep https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1279000 on your radar. just hit it trying to upgrade a long lived glance db to the recent juno packages and had to do some manual db work to get around it
[21:18] <mgw> is it ok to post a link to a job opening here?
[23:07] <zackify> dang nobody talks in here