[06:57] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:10] <SuperMatt> morning
[07:12] <MooDoo> howdy SuperMatt how are you today?
[07:13] <SuperMatt> exhausted to the extreme
[07:13] <SuperMatt> you?
[07:13] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[07:18] <SuperMatt> ning
[07:20] <brobostigon> morning SuperMatt
[07:20] <brobostigon> heavy rain, heavy winds, :(
[07:21] <SuperMatt> yeah, it's quite a sucky day today
[07:22] <brobostigon> yes, definatly, i had loads planned too.
[07:28] <SuperMatt> what could you have possibly done which was ruined by the addition of rain?
[07:29] <brobostigon> i had a few jobs in town, so could get pretty wet.
[07:30] <SuperMatt> eh, just suck it up and don't wear jeans
[07:30] <brobostigon> suck up the rain?
[07:30] <SuperMatt> yes, the jeans will
[07:30] <brobostigon> yes.
[07:39] <DJones> brobostigon: Does a heavy wind weigh more than a light wind :) I've got visions of winds so strong they've ripped roof's off making them heavier :)
[07:40] <DJones> Had to get some new work shoes at the weekend, found my old ones were leaking a bit with all the rain around lately
[07:40] <brobostigon> good question.
[07:40] <DJones> The perils of UK autumn's
[07:40] <brobostigon> yes.
[07:41] <DJones> I think thats definatly a question for Prof Brian Cox
[07:41] <brobostigon> and the wind swept hair/afro look, after being caught in heavy winds.
[07:43] <DJones> Heh, don't have to worry about that, my head a visit from a razor blade  at the weekend
[07:44] <brobostigon> ah, i see.
[07:44] <brobostigon> my hair hits my shoulders and is very fine and curly.
[08:06] <diplo> Morning all
[08:06] <brobostigon> morning diplo
[08:16] <OERIAS> BitchX
[08:36] <l34rn> how to create channel and set my password  irssi ?
[08:53] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy Yorkshire Pudding Day! :-D
[08:56] <zmoylan-pi> also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Day_for_Natural_Disaster_Reduction
[09:12] <davmor2> JamesTait: man this should of been yesterday nobody sane has yorkies on a monday
[09:13] <zmoylan-pi> yorkies the dog or yorkies the chocolate?
[09:17] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: yorkie puds it was in reply to JamesTait  :P
[09:23] <awilkins> MMMmn, giant Yorkshire pud filled with sausage casserole sounds like a right winner in thie weather
[09:24] <awilkins> Maybe line the bottom with cheese to prevent leaking of gravy
[09:25] <JamesTait> awilkins, can I come to your house for dinner?
[09:25] <diplo> Anyone any good with SEO in here ?
[09:26] <diplo> Basically wondering if SEO hasn't been populated on a product, having it display a default of something is worthwhile ?
[09:26] <diplo> bigcalm any ideas ?
[09:26] <awilkins> JamesTait, while my cooking is pretty good, not sure it's worth the trip unless you live within spitting distance of the pie-ron curtain
[09:26] <awilkins> (Wigan-ish)
[09:27] <JamesTait> awilkins, but you sold it so well!
[09:27] <awilkins> Last night was sausage roasted with caramelised apples and shallots
[09:27] <awilkins> And mash
[09:36] <zmoylan-pi> ooooh fraggle rock coming to big screen... http://www.independent.ie/entertainment/movies/movie-news/80s-hits-labyrinth-and-fraggle-rock-making-a-comeback-30659098.html
[09:45] <popey> dammit, have the fraggle rock theme in my head now
[09:45] <zmoylan-pi> sorry, my bad :-)
[09:45] <zmoylan-pi> it's a doozer :-D
[09:45] <zmoylan-pi> doozy, i meant doozy :-p
[09:46] <popey> :þ
[10:06] <OERIAS> Yes or No?
[10:06] <OERIAS> Vote yes or no.
[10:06] <directhex> maybe.
[10:06] <OERIAS> maybe?
[10:06] <directhex> maybe. i vote maybe.
[10:07] <OERIAS> are you Scot?
[10:07] <OERIAS> English?
[10:07] <OERIAS> Irish?
[10:07] <directhex> human
[10:07] <OERIAS> Welsh?
[10:09] <zmoylan-pi> i think you have to allow a spoiled vote in some places
[10:17] <OERIAS> zmoylan-pi, the scots should be happy that their country is prosperous
[10:17] <OERIAS> when the union of crowns occured, scotland was a poor and barren country
[10:26] <davmor2> popey: Mahna Mahna.  That should help
[10:27] <davmor2> I'll just leave this here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8N_tupPBtWQ
[10:27] <ali1234> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKX1EY6dkIY
[10:28] <davmor2> ali1234: I prefer the good version that the Muppets did :P
[10:29] <ali1234> who doesn't?
[10:31] <davmor2> Todays music will be Mostly Prodigy
[10:33] <shauno> davmor2: the oddest version I've found, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44NQkFJaEuE
[10:55] <ujjain> Dutch guy: "Do you want another cup of coffee?"
[10:55] <ujjain> British guy: "No, that's quite alright."
[10:56] <ujjain> That means no coffee or yes coffee?
[10:56] <zmoylan-pi> no coffee
[10:56] <ujjain> right, not sure why it's the #1 comment on our subreddit
[10:56] <ujjain> http://www.reddit.com/r/thenetherlands/comments/2iz0go/the_anglodutch_translation_guide/
[10:56] <ujjain> Dutch guy goes and gets a cup of coffee for himself. British guy is left wondering why the Dutch guy didn't bring him a cup, because he only asked once, and surely you decline the first time someone asks to do something for you.
[10:57] <zmoylan-pi> no no no, yes :-)
[10:59] <popey> first word was "no", so that's "no" surely
[11:00] <ali1234> when i went to amsterdam with my brother, he explained the dutch to me by saying "they're like you"
[11:01] <directhex> popey: in fairness, an emphatic yes in russian is "da da da". an emphatic no is "da nyet"
[11:04] <directhex> oh my god they killed bob the builder.
[11:04] <directhex> https://i.imgur.com/9l4DIn9.jpg
[11:04] <ali1234> why is he five??
[11:04] <zmoylan-pi> turns out he was a gang master underpaying workers?
[11:06] <directhex> teletubbies remake confirmed; no images for that yet
[11:07] <zmoylan-pi> when they reboot moschops they'll have offically run out of ideas :-)
[11:43] <directhex> hudl2!
[11:47] <zmoylan-pi> this time they mean it
[11:53] <popey> heh
[11:53] <popey> mine arrives tomorrow
[12:00] <Laney> banging donk
[12:01] <diddledan_> o_O
[12:01] <diddledan_> that sounds n0rty
[12:17] <awilkins> You don't need a gun when you have a Donk : www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufDTDUPZrag
[12:17] <shauno> in all fairness dan, you think "rebooting the teletubbies" sounds n0rty
[12:17] <zmoylan-pi> guessing that's crocodile dundee
[12:18]  * zmoylan-pi wonders if that is on my dvd list, i remember buying it but haven't seen it in a while....
[12:18] <diddledan_> shauno: that's dirty
[12:18] <awilkins> zmoylan-pi, Yup.. Croc Dundee II was much better than the first one IMHO
[12:18]  * diddledan_ reboots some teletubbies
[12:19] <zmoylan-pi> well remember they tried to ban teletubbies for promoting homosexuality
[12:19] <diddledan_> zmoylan-pi: yeah
[12:19] <diddledan_> all because of a handbag
[12:20] <shauno> they were unfortunately ahead of the manbag phase.  just too early.
[12:27] <awilkins> How could they tell which ones were male and which ones were female?
[12:27] <awilkins> Just because they had different voice pitches meant nothing
[12:28] <zmoylan-pi> well one had what looked like a dildo on their head which was mentioned a bit i seem to remember
[12:28] <awilkins> This morning they mentioned Robinson's Golliwogs on the radio. My gran used to collect the enamel badge pins when I was a kid.
[12:28] <shauno> if they'd actually watched it, they'd know it was the vacuum cleaner who was the real troublemaker anyway.
[12:28] <awilkins> I remember Golliwogs but what I don't remember was having any notion that they were associated with race
[12:28] <diddledan_> not allowed to call them that anymore - they're "gollys" now
[12:28] <zmoylan-pi> you also had gollybars which was icecream on a stick which had to be renamed and rebranded
[12:28] <awilkins> As far as I knew they were just t Thing
[12:29] <awilkins> They were a creature like any other that inhabited fairy tale worlds - nothing to do with reality
[12:29] <awilkins> I know now their origins are not exactly blameless, but they just had no such association for me as a kid
[12:30] <zmoylan-pi> ditto but if you were someone who was insulted by that name wouldn't you be glad to see back of it?
[12:30] <awilkins> Probably
[12:31] <zmoylan-pi> i kinda lean towards the warner warning they now have on some their 1940s cartoons which were incredibly racist.
[12:31] <awilkins> I thought that was very mature of them
[12:32] <zmoylan-pi> and changing huckleberry finn in schools seems like it's sanitising something that kids need to learn
[12:42] <diddledan_> I've never read huckleberry finn
[12:43] <zmoylan-pi> read them when i was 12 i think
[12:43] <zmoylan-pi> first book written on a typewriter iirc
[12:55] <popey> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-29595164
[12:55] <popey> *vomit*
[12:56] <Seeker`> popey: literally just read that here
[12:56] <Seeker`> makes my nose itch
[12:57] <popey> ditto
[12:58] <diddledan_> she seems really cool about it
[12:59] <zmoylan-pi> the leech has since dropped of a cv at the tax office...
[12:59] <diddledan_> zmoylan-pi: surely it's applied for immigrant benefits?
[13:00] <zmoylan-pi> that's a terrible stereotype to assume immigrants don't want to work
[13:00] <shauno> it's the beeb, not the daily mail
[13:00] <zmoylan-pi> but a leech working in tax office is still funny
[13:01] <diddledan_> zmoylan-pi: yeah, but the media!
[13:01] <diddledan_> teh medias are telling me migrants are scum
[13:02] <diddledan_> I don't actually believe in xenophobia
[13:02] <shauno> oi, I'm a migrant.
[13:02] <diddledan_> shauno: scum!
[13:03] <diddledan_> shauno: ukip won a byelection
[13:03] <shauno> makes me surprised more people aren't leaving
[13:05] <Myrtti> because the situation isn't great anywhere
[13:05] <Myrtti> besides, if you move, you're a migrant yourself
[13:05] <diddledan_> I think quite a few european countries are going through the same extreme-right-wing invasion
[13:09] <shauno> I think the problem is that people are desperate for any kind of change, and no-one else is offering anything
[13:10] <shauno> I mean, I really can't figure out what's going on in the UK.  I don't know if milliband has looked in a mirror lately, but he's the complete stereotype of a tory
[13:10] <shauno> so you have red tories, blue torries, and the raving monster looney .. er .. ukip
[13:11] <zmoylan-pi> isn't that how hitler got into power shauno?
[13:12] <davmor2> and then we take over the world......oh wait didn't we do that once already?
[13:13] <zmoylan-pi> not really, you had a big chunk of it but a lot of it was... uncontrolled
[13:13] <shauno> ah yes.  Izzard's "do you have a flag?" school of global governance ;)
[13:16] <zmoylan-pi> and it came down to whose troops were closest
[13:21] <Seeker`> so much politics in here recently
[13:21] <popey> really?
[13:21] <popey> some
[13:22] <shauno> I actually thought the opposite.  the whole Scotland thing went by with so little comment, I half wondered if it had been declared verboten while I wasn't paying attention
[13:23] <Seeker`> popey: i don't look in here often. But usually when I do there is something politics related in my current view
[13:23] <Seeker`> which is a lot more than I remember there being :P
[13:24] <popey> yeah, it was barely discussed here
[13:24] <Myrtti> ooooohhhh http://www.finndeli.co.uk/
[13:24] <Myrtti> omnomnom
[13:29] <Myrtti> Seeker`: it happens from time to time
[13:55] <christel> they have moomin biscuits :D
[13:56] <zmoylan-pi> moo papa and moo mama?
[14:00] <Myrtti> christel: no Tove 100 years tin, though
[15:17] <Myrtti> funkyHat: fix your irssi
[16:56] <diddledan_> so skype got updated a few days ago for the mac and pc - I'm betting that doesn't include linuxen
[16:59] <popey> it's always lagged behind in updates
[17:53] <barath> Hi guys I was looking for some help with plex media server I have just reinstalled 14.04 and restored backup however I cannot seem to get plex to rescan the library I want?
[18:23] <knightwise> mornin peeps
[19:04] <popey> oops.. directhex someone bricked their hudl2 http://www.modaco.com/topic/373587-hudl-2-rooting/#entry2233668
[19:04] <popey> colour me unsurprised
[19:08] <zmoylan-pi> well if they managed to get it for less than a fiver they won't feel so bad about it? :-)
[19:24] <davmor2> popey: it's almost like they don't want you to
[19:54] <directhex> popey, that was fast
[19:56] <popey> yeah ☻
[19:56] <popey> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1071086547/ampy-power-your-devices-from-your-motion
[19:56] <popey> novel
[20:08] <zmoylan-pi> or you know they could build devices that use less power
[21:36] <HelpSeeker> I need some help...
[21:36] <HelpSeeker> can someone help?
[21:36] <HelpSeeker> does this chat even work...
[21:37] <HelpSeeker> =.=
[21:37] <HelpSeeker> Nobody on?!
[21:38] <HelpSeeker> NEED SOME HELP....
[21:38] <Myrtti> did you ask in #ubuntu?
[21:38] <HelpSeeker> what you mean?
[21:38] <HelpSeeker> I'm new, don't understand how this works.
[21:40] <daftykins> both this channel (#ubuntu-uk) and #ubuntu are 'rooms' where you can get help, #ubuntu is the main support channel however.
[21:40] <daftykins> you'll find more active users and thus more volunteers willing to help, in there
[21:40] <HelpSeeker> Ah, alright. Are you willingly to help right now?
[21:41] <daftykins> you've already asked in the other channel, also you seem to have connected twice... using two different browser windows/tabs?
[21:41] <daftykins> a good first step is to actually ask the question
[21:41] <HelpSeeker> Is that illegal?
[21:41] <HelpSeeker> Ok..
[21:41] <daftykins> it's just unnecessary
[21:41] <daftykins> a single webchat instance can connect to many channels at once
[21:41] <daftykins> just type "/j #channelname" into one and close the other
[21:42] <HelpSeeker> Well, I've installed Ubuntu in my laptop, it's been running for months now.
[21:42] <daftykins> ok
[21:42] <HelpSeeker> Today suddenly when booting my laptop it jumps to BIOS and it shows me that my drive is not present?
[21:43] <daftykins> sounds like a hardware failure, are you versed in computer hardware?
[21:43] <HelpSeeker> I've USB stick, bootable Ubuntu. Tried to open it up without installing it. After that I completly removed the partition and did a clean install again.
[21:43] <HelpSeeker> And still have the same problem.
[21:43] <daftykins> so setup was able to see the hard disk?
[21:44] <HelpSeeker> Yes, I could see my drive when I was booted from my USB.
[21:44] <daftykins> what are you typing from now?
[21:44] <HelpSeeker> From my laptop.. I'm running it without installing it..
[21:44] <HelpSeeker> from my USB.
[21:44] <daftykins> ok, can you open a terminal window using Ctrl+alt+T then run a few commands...
[21:45] <daftykins> "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install pastebinit"
[21:45] <HelpSeeker> ok...
[21:45] <daftykins> then "sudo parted -l | pastebinit"
[21:45] <HelpSeeker> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8555264/
[21:46] <daftykins> ok looks like a relatively modern laptop with an EFI installation of Ubuntu
[21:46] <HelpSeeker> Yep.
[21:46] <daftykins> couple more: "sudo apt-get install smartmontools" and "sudo smartctl -a /dev/sda | pastebinit"
[21:46] <HelpSeeker> E: Command line option 'a' [from -a] is not known. You are trying to send an empty document, exiting.
[21:47] <daftykins> that was on the second?
[21:47] <HelpSeeker> yes
[21:47] <daftykins> what happens if you run "sudo smartctl -a /dev/sda" on its' own?
[21:47] <HelpSeeker> sudo: smartctl: command not found
[21:48] <daftykins> you need to install it with the first command first
[21:48] <daftykins> surely it worked?
[21:48] <HelpSeeker> E: Unable to locate package smartctl
[21:48] <HelpSeeker> What you mean?
[21:49] <daftykins> "sudo apt-get install smartmontools"
[21:49] <daftykins> did that one not run fine?
[21:49] <HelpSeeker> the last cone works...
[21:49] <HelpSeeker> one*
[21:49] <daftykins> so smartmontools is installed now?
[21:50] <HelpSeeker> Installing...
[21:50] <HelpSeeker> done.
[21:50] <daftykins> "sudo smartctl -a /dev/sda | pastebinit"
[21:50] <HelpSeeker> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8555297/
[21:52] <HelpSeeker> Be right back...
[21:52] <HelpSeeker> sorry
[21:53] <daftykins> np
[21:53] <HelpSeeker> back
[21:54] <daftykins> ok doesn't look to be anything wrong with that, i think something is up with your laptop's EFI (the "BIOS") that it's failing to allow proper boot. some settings wrong maybe
[21:54] <HelpSeeker> It could be, I haven't changed anything... so I'm not sure.
[21:55] <HelpSeeker> I disabled those  fast easy boot options etc. before, and it's still the same.
[21:56] <daftykins> any updates available from the manufacturer?
[21:57] <HelpSeeker> I've no clue, I updated and upgraded any packages recently.
[21:59] <daftykins> i mean updated BIOS/EFI for the laptop, from the manufacturer
[21:59] <daftykins> what's the make and model?
[21:59] <HelpSeeker> ASUS R513C
[22:02] <daftykins> hang on i'm going to be a short while, drama ensuing
[22:02] <HelpSeeker> OK.
[22:02] <daftykins> i'd go into the BIOS and check the version # there against what's on the Asus website
[22:03] <HelpSeeker> Alright
[22:12] <HelpSeeker> @daftykins, are you still on?
[22:13] <daftykins> yeah here and there
[22:13] <HelpSeeker> I made an screenshot and uploaded it if you don't mind...
[22:13] <HelpSeeker> http://prntscr.com/4vxdd8
[22:14] <daftykins> v204
[22:14] <HelpSeeker> Yup.
[22:19] <HelpSeeker> If I'm not wrong v207 is the latest... http://www.asus.com/supportonly/R513CL/HelpDesk_Download/
[22:22] <daftykins> if you're absolutely sure on the model number, yep
[22:22] <daftykins> performing a BIOS update isn't without risk, though
[22:22] <daftykins> there's no data on this hard disk right now that you need, presumably?
[22:23] <HelpSeeker> It says R513CL, while I have R513C.
[22:23] <HelpSeeker> Same model right?
[22:23] <daftykins> mmm, is it written on an underside label specifically?
[22:23] <daftykins> and purchased in the UK?
[22:24] <HelpSeeker> No, from EU.
[22:24] <HelpSeeker> The Netherlands.
[22:24] <daftykins> ah, perhaps i won't find that model on the UK page i'm on then
[22:25] <HelpSeeker> Awh.
[22:25] <daftykins> is that where you are, or?
[22:25] <HelpSeeker> There are no another solutions possible for this?
[22:26] <HelpSeeker> I was just on this site, don't know it's the same where you were looking on?
[22:26] <HelpSeeker> http://www.asus.com/supportonly/R513CL/HelpDesk_Download/
[22:26] <daftykins> i need a sec, kinda multi tasking here
[22:26] <daftykins> i was just attempting to browse to a European site
[22:27] <HelpSeeker> Haha, okay take your time.
[22:27] <HelpSeeker> OK.
[22:29] <daftykins> hmm NL site only has the -CL too, so i can only assume that's as close as they'll get
[22:29] <daftykins> but i kind of find it risky for the idea of updating the BIOS
[22:29] <daftykins> anyway - it came with Windows 8 and you didn't want it - presumably?
[22:29] <HelpSeeker> yes
[22:30] <HelpSeeker> I prefer Linux
[22:30] <HelpSeeker> Could have done it in virtual machine, but didn't like the experience of it.
[22:30] <daftykins> so you wiped the entire disk, when you were installing?
[22:30] <daftykins> every single partition removed?
[22:30] <HelpSeeker> Yes.
[22:30] <daftykins> did you change any EFI boot settings like 'Fast Boot' or 'Secure Boot' in the EFI?
[22:31] <HelpSeeker> I disabled fast boot.
[22:31] <HelpSeeker> and CSM
[22:31] <HelpSeeker> But with those options I was able to run Ubuntu for like a month now, it just happend today.
[22:32] <daftykins> yeah seems a little bit odd. and this is 14.04.1 ?
[22:32] <HelpSeeker> yes
[22:32] <daftykins> what i would do then is zero fill with dd the first 200MB of the disk or so, clean install again
[22:32] <daftykins> if it boots correctly, good stuff - see how it goes
[22:32] <daftykins> but otherwise, i would enable CSM and install in Legacy mode
[22:32] <daftykins> there aren't really any benefits to EFI installs
[22:33] <HelpSeeker> what is a legacy mode?
[22:34] <daftykins> CSM enables the older BIOS install method
[22:34] <daftykins> hmm not sure we have a bot in here anymore, one sec
[22:34] <daftykins> !uefi
[22:34] <daftykins> ah yeah. check out that link, it'll show the difference between EFI and Legacy installs
[22:34] <HelpSeeker> cool
[22:35] <HelpSeeker> Do you think that this problem still may occur when changing from OS or distro?
[22:36] <daftykins> since i don't have a clue what's happening i have no way of knowing
[22:36] <HelpSeeker> I understand.
[22:36] <daftykins> if it were just hanging and going to a black screen, instead of the setup screen - i'd have at least some suggestions such as booting an older kernel
[22:37] <daftykins> but i'm by no means the most experienced user - so you might get better info elsewhere
[22:37] <HelpSeeker> Ok, thanks a lot for your help.
[22:38] <daftykins> no problem, definitely give the BIOS install a try
[22:38] <daftykins> it might work better
[22:38] <HelpSeeker> I will do it, thanks again ;)