| jrwren | rick_h_: thanks! hope things are well there for you. | 00:45 |
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| mrgoodcat | morn | 12:27 |
| mrgoodcat | brousch: not sure if i'll be at MUG. I've never been able to make it yet | 12:27 |
| cmaloney | Good morning | 12:32 |
| cmaloney | mrgoodcat: This would be the month to make it if you can. | 12:32 |
| mrgoodcat | what is this month? | 12:33 |
| cmaloney | brousch is presenting the Raspberry Pi | 12:35 |
| cmaloney | We're actually bringing him in to town | 12:35 |
| mrgoodcat | oh cool. from..... grand rapids/ | 12:35 |
| mrgoodcat | ? | 12:35 |
| cmaloney | Yep | 12:35 |
| cmaloney | via private car | 12:35 |
| cmaloney | namely his. | 12:36 |
| mrgoodcat | i <3 raspberry pi | 12:36 |
| mrgoodcat | lol | 12:36 |
| mrgoodcat | i guess it's technically private | 12:36 |
| mrgoodcat | more private than even a chauffeured car | 12:36 |
| cmaloney | Plus you could win a Raspberry Pi | 12:36 |
| cmaloney | http://www.mug.org/?page=CiviCRM&q=civicrm/event/info&page_id=1425&reset=1&id=34 | 12:37 |
| bookiebot | http://goo.gl/aebduj - Michigan!/usr/group | mug.org – A Michigan-based Linux and UNIX Free and Open Source Community | 12:37 |
| mrgoodcat | well i'll try to make it | 12:39 |
| mrgoodcat | > Ben Rousch is a serial user group organizer and an IT department in Grand Rapids, MI. | 12:40 |
| mrgoodcat | lol that sentence | 12:40 |
| brousch | My rpi camera is being a little turd. I think I'm switching to a more generic webcam | 12:53 |
| mrgoodcat | lol what model are you using? | 12:53 |
| brousch | rpi B with the official rpi camera | 12:54 |
| brousch | I think the rpi firmware update broke something | 12:54 |
| mrgoodcat | i meant what webcam model? | 12:55 |
| brousch | http://www.adafruit.com/products/1367 | 12:56 |
| bookiebot | http://goo.gl/Ak4PIB - Raspberry Pi Camera Board ID: 1367 - $29.95 : Adafruit Industries, Unique & fun DIY electronics and kits | 12:56 |
| brousch | The webcam is maybe a decade old USB from logitech | 12:57 |
| brousch | Fairly painless install and usage via simplecv | 12:58 |
| mrgoodcat | didn't realize it's specifically for rasp | 12:58 |
| brousch | cmaloney: Have you had Nate Oostendorp to MUG? | 12:58 |
| brousch | Yeah, for the extra special camera slot | 12:58 |
| mrgoodcat | computer club is trying to make a rpi camera that recognizes if a door is open right now | 12:59 |
| brousch | With its own extra special python module | 12:59 |
| mrgoodcat | its a pain in the arse | 12:59 |
| brousch | That would be pretty easy with simplecv | 12:59 |
| mrgoodcat | right now there's a qr code on the door and if it can be read the door is closed | 12:59 |
| brousch | That's really what it was built for | 12:59 |
| brousch | It is an easy Python wrapper around the very powerful and confusing opencv | 13:00 |
| mrgoodcat | lol | 13:00 |
| brousch | Take a photo of the door closed. that's your reference. Then compare the current state to that photo | 13:01 |
| mrgoodcat | i've never done image processing. a current member is working on it right now. | 13:01 |
| mrgoodcat | yea we've tried that | 13:01 |
| mrgoodcat | but the camera keeps getting moved | 13:01 |
| brousch | ah, that can be a problem | 13:01 |
| mrgoodcat | which makes the door say its open | 13:01 |
| mrgoodcat | the qr code is the most robust solution we've found yet | 13:01 |
| mrgoodcat | and its not that annoying to have a qr code on the door | 13:02 |
| brousch | You might be able to get away with color. Big green mark on the side of the door. If it sees green, it's open | 13:02 |
| mrgoodcat | colors was what originally led to the using of the qr code | 13:02 |
| brousch | The real solution to this is a magnetic sensor on the top of the door | 13:03 |
| mrgoodcat | lol that's what i said a long time ago | 13:03 |
| brousch | http://www.adafruit.com/product/375 | 13:03 |
| bookiebot | http://goo.gl/HBe7sL - Magnetic contact switch (door sensor) ID: 375 - $3.95 : Adafruit Industries, Unique & fun DIY electronics and kits | 13:03 |
| mrgoodcat | but the member making the door sensor wanted to learn image processing | 13:04 |
| mrgoodcat | which is as good a reason as any | 13:04 |
| mrgoodcat | its not really a mission critical application so we're not that worried about ut | 13:04 |
| brousch | Is it a bathroom status sensor? | 13:05 |
| mrgoodcat | the computer club has a room at WMU and only board members get a key to the room, so if a normal member wants to access the room somebody with access has to be there | 13:05 |
| brousch | ah | 13:05 |
| mrgoodcat | you can also just go to the web address of the webcam and look | 13:05 |
| mrgoodcat | or ask in the IRC channel | 13:05 |
| mrgoodcat | brousch: if i come tomorrow am i better off bringing a RPi? | 13:11 |
| brousch | Not really, unless you plan to lug around a keyboard, mouse, monitor, etc | 13:11 |
| mrgoodcat | ah yea good call | 13:12 |
| mrgoodcat | lol didn't really think that through | 13:12 |
| brousch | I'm going to present from my pi. Hopefully it won't be a disaster | 13:12 |
| mrgoodcat | right now both of mine are paperweights | 13:14 |
| mrgoodcat | occasional forkbomb servers when i'm bored | 13:14 |
| mrgoodcat | they used to be media server/client together though | 13:14 |
| wolfger | bringing brousch in via private car.... sounds ritzy. :-D | 13:26 |
| brousch | My own car driven by own self :P | 13:27 |
| wolfger | brousch: you fail at marketing | 13:39 |
| brousch | I don't like being fancy | 13:39 |
| mrgoodcat | does this count as importing an expert from out of town? ubuntu-us-mi is supposed to be all of michigan so IDK if grand rapids actually counts as out of town | 13:40 |
| brousch | But MUG is Detroit | 13:42 |
| wolfger | MUG is Michigan | 14:04 |
| wolfger | if it was Detroit, it would be DUG, wouldn't it? ;-) | 14:04 |
| brousch | Just because they named themselves for all of Michigan does not make it so | 14:06 |
| brousch | It helps to perpetuate the myth that Detroit is Michigan | 14:07 |
| wolfger | what myth? XD | 14:11 |
| mrgoodcat | lol yea outside michigan I think Detroit is the only really recognizable MI city | 14:11 |
| brousch | Yes, but it is not representative of most of the state | 14:11 |
| wolfger | We all know that SE Michigan is the only part of Michigan that matters. | 14:11 |
| brousch | It's an urban wasteland while 80% of the state is more like wilderness | 14:12 |
| wolfger | People outside of Michigan also know Kalamazoo, but only because it's a funny name. :-) | 14:13 |
| mrgoodcat | anybody still using ello? | 14:17 |
| wolfger | brousch: so, how pathetic of a Go opponent am I? I made one big mistake a while back, and not seeing any real way to recover. | 14:17 |
| wolfger | mrgoodcat: define "using" :-p | 14:18 |
| wolfger | I check it every once in a while to see if anybody posted anything. | 14:18 |
| cmaloney | brousch: No, we haven'tt, though I'd love to have him out at MUG at some point | 14:19 |
| mrgoodcat | wolfger: you can't possibly be doing as bad against brousch as me right now | 14:19 |
| * cmaloney went to school with Nate. | 14:19 | |
| brousch | wolfger: It can be hard to recover on a 9x9. Just not much space to start over | 14:19 |
| wolfger | but I think it's Yet Another Failed Social Network | 14:19 |
| brousch | cmaloney: GRPUG had him out about 4 years ago when he was starting simplecv | 14:19 |
| cmaloney | brousch: yeah, I don't know what he's up to at the moment | 14:20 |
| cmaloney | Seems SimpleCV imploded. | 14:20 |
| cmaloney | Or at least the company he was forming around it. | 14:20 |
| cmaloney | Ingenuitas, iirc. | 14:21 |
| brousch | It's this now http://sightmachine.com/ | 14:22 |
| bookiebot | http://goo.gl/UMepJ - Sight Machine | 14:22 |
| mrgoodcat | Social Network Success Flowchart | 14:22 |
| mrgoodcat | Are you facebook? | 14:22 |
| mrgoodcat | Yes -> win | 14:22 |
| mrgoodcat | No -> fail | 14:22 |
| cmaloney | brousch: Awesome. | 14:22 |
| brousch | Ah, in Ann Arbor, not Detroit like I was thinking | 14:23 |
| brousch | wolfger: It feels like you're still trying to surround my structure, but it is impossible to take because it has 2 eyes | 14:24 |
| mrgoodcat | brousch: i'm just hoping to get out of this game with SOME territory | 14:25 |
| brousch | mrgoodcat: You have the upper left unless I can attack it at the end, but the bottom might be lost | 14:28 |
| mrgoodcat | that's what i'm afraid of... D: | 14:28 |
| brousch | I have lost many games like 150 to 0 | 14:28 |
| mrgoodcat | that might be what happens here | 14:29 |
| mrgoodcat | i made a lot of early mistakes very quickly | 14:31 |
| mrgoodcat | and the more i got behind the more shortsighted i got | 14:31 |
| mrgoodcat | so how bout the snapchat leak? | 14:33 |
| mrgoodcat | anybody here use snapsave.com? | 14:34 |
| brousch | mrgoodcat: I think you can get 1 eye at d2, but the second will be tough | 14:37 |
| brousch | e1 might be the only other chance | 14:38 |
| mrgoodcat | i have a hard time understanding the future flow of the game. i'm not good at guessing what a person might do next. I have a lot more experience in chess | 14:39 |
| brousch | I think you have it | 14:40 |
| brousch | Ah, nope, found 1 play to kill it | 14:42 |
| wolfger | brousch: I want to, but I know it's impossible, but I want to. :-p Mostly at the moment I'm trying to defend as well as I can because you undoubtedly have the upper hand. | 14:43 |
| mrgoodcat | wolfger: don't worry. i'm getting killed too | 14:43 |
| brousch | The only defense is a structure with at least 2 eyes. All others are dead | 14:43 |
| brousch | mrgoodcat: Do you see how I've disrupted the e1 potential? | 14:44 |
| brousch | I actually made the same error as you in my last game against a random | 14:45 |
| mrgoodcat | um... no | 14:48 |
| mrgoodcat | by making me play in it? | 14:49 |
| brousch | right. g1 is dead unless you plug the only hole. similar to b1. when the holes are plugged, you are left 1 eye | 14:50 |
| mrgoodcat | darn. i was hoping you'd get overzealous about trying to take my bottom structure and ignore me while i filled in that 3space hole | 14:52 |
| mrgoodcat | this game is over | 14:52 |
| brousch | I want to try the top | 14:52 |
| brousch | See if you can defend it | 14:52 |
| brousch | I have found 1 sequence of moves that can work if you defend badly | 14:52 |
| mrgoodcat | you can't take it i don't think | 14:53 |
| mrgoodcat | but you can encroach on my territory | 14:53 |
| brousch | Yeah, you blocked it now | 14:55 |
| brousch | i shouldn't have warned you ;) | 14:55 |
| mrgoodcat | I already knew where i was going if I had to defend that | 14:55 |
| brousch | hm | 14:55 |
| brousch | maybe | 14:55 |
| mrgoodcat | the bottom was completely lost so i didn't have anything better to do than fortify the top | 14:56 |
| brousch | OK, I think it's done | 14:57 |
| mrgoodcat | lol i got my shit rocked in that game | 15:00 |
| cmaloney | Quick reminder: brousch has played more games than most of us combined against other people. :) | 15:00 |
| mrgoodcat | i was so confident after the first one too | 15:00 |
| brousch | You did well. You got that whole top piece | 15:00 |
| brousch | Better than I do against these random geekers | 15:01 |
| mrgoodcat | lol | 15:01 |
| brousch | also you learned about those loners on the bottom, which I just figured out maybe 2 days ago | 15:02 |
| mrgoodcat | what about the loners? | 15:02 |
| brousch | They feel like a good move, but really they become useless | 15:03 |
| brousch | They are disconnected | 15:03 |
| brousch | You have to connect them to protect them, which fills the eye you were thinking of making next to them | 15:04 |
| mrgoodcat | got it. yea i realized that, just ran out of ideas and room. the rest of the board was wrecked | 15:05 |
| brousch | You did well. There were several times where I had to really think and plan to stop you | 15:05 |
| brousch | You scare me more than cmaloney and wolfger | 15:06 |
| brousch | :-D | 15:08 |
| mrgoodcat | lol well im glad i at least make you think | 15:08 |
| mrgoodcat | that was only probably my 4th game ever | 15:09 |
| mrgoodcat | want to play another? | 15:09 |
| brousch | You come at things from angles I don't usually look at | 15:09 |
| brousch | Yes | 15:09 |
| brousch | Want handicap? | 15:09 |
| mrgoodcat | cant tell if thats good because ingenuity or bad because dumb ideas | 15:10 |
| mrgoodcat | no im fine without handicap | 15:10 |
| brousch | I'm not good enough to tell the difference ;) | 15:10 |
| mrgoodcat | id rather just lose and learn | 15:10 |
| brousch | bumped it up to 13 | 15:11 |
| cmaloney | brousch: I don't scare you anymore? I'm crushed. | 15:11 |
| brousch | Not yet in this game | 15:11 |
| cmaloney | No, because you have a very strong capruting game | 15:11 |
| cmaloney | capturing, even | 15:11 |
| brousch | But you could have a long-game strategy I don't see | 15:12 |
| cmaloney | Nah, I'm pretty much feeling out the board at this point | 15:12 |
| mrgoodcat | oh you're going first on this one? | 15:15 |
| mrgoodcat | accepted btw | 15:15 |
| brousch | I didn't notice who goes first | 15:16 |
| mrgoodcat | so what is your logic starting so close to the corner? | 15:16 |
| mrgoodcat | i know that will be difficult to get behind, but it seems like so close, you don't have a lot of room to move | 15:17 |
| mrgoodcat | is the idea to create a 2 eye against the corner and expand from that? | 15:17 |
| brousch | Supposedly the good players play for the corners first, then move to the middle at the end | 15:18 |
| brousch | I thought I'd give it a try instead of my usual attack right away | 15:18 |
| mrgoodcat | seems like a good enough reason | 15:19 |
| brousch | I'm not confident of my execution though | 15:19 |
| brousch | I'm better at taking than building eyes | 15:19 |
| mrgoodcat | i'm obviously no good at either lol | 15:20 |
| brousch | No, you are decent at building | 15:20 |
| mrgoodcat | aggressive start | 16:35 |
| mrgoodcat | new favorite android app: textonly browser | 16:40 |
| mrgoodcat | !topic add PLAN Meeting, Sunday @ 2pm | 16:47 |
| mrgoodcat | whoops | 16:47 |
| mrgoodcat | ignore that | 16:47 |
| brousch | I didn't know what to do after the corners were played, so went back to my old strategy | 18:09 |
| mrgoodcat | lol | 18:10 |
| mrgoodcat | i dont know what to do ever | 18:10 |
| mrgoodcat | i think i defend better than i attack | 18:11 |
| brousch | probably because you have more experience defending ;) | 18:12 |
| mrgoodcat | ha yea i need to play someone a little more conservative | 18:12 |
| mrgoodcat | cmaloney seems less aggressive so far | 18:12 |
| mrgoodcat | i hope im not missing something important here... | 18:14 |
| cmaloney | mrgoodcat: Don't let that fool you. :) | 18:14 |
| mrgoodcat | yea were still very early in that game. i think its likely to take a month | 18:15 |
| brousch | mrgoodcat: Gah, got me | 18:16 |
| brousch | I was looking the other direction at the ladder | 18:17 |
| mrgoodcat | ladder? | 18:17 |
| brousch | Yeah, look it up for go terms. I was looking at a ladder that would occur going from my single stone | 18:20 |
| mrgoodcat | ah yea that looks like no fun to get caught in | 18:22 |
| mrgoodcat | the obvious defense is that there is no defense, abandon it because you lost no matter what | 18:22 |
| brousch | Not true. A ladder can go either way depending on the steering and intervening stones | 18:22 |
| mrgoodcat | intervening stones are the only way to save yourself | 18:24 |
| mrgoodcat | or a mistake i guess | 18:25 |
| brousch | right | 18:28 |
| cmaloney | brousch: Dammit | 18:45 |
| cmaloney | Eventually I'll stop giving brousch the ability to seal me in. | 18:47 |
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| mrgoodcat | bingo | 18:51 |
| brousch | cmaloney: You are actually in a very good position there. | 18:54 |
| cmaloney | .sms mrgoodcat Are you sure you want to do this? | 18:54 |
| bookiebot | Message sent | 18:54 |
| brousch | Some sort of double-ladder | 18:55 |
| mrgoodcat | lol well i can always disable it from an app on my phone | 18:55 |
| cmaloney | I really hate waiting for long-running processes | 18:56 |
| mrgoodcat | but as long as abuse is kept to a minimum i think its ok | 18:56 |
| cmaloney | because inevitably they fail after the longest part. | 18:56 |
| mrgoodcat | if you want to add your number and don't want to post it to the channel, you can pm bookiebot. i promise not to abuse the database | 18:57 |
| mrgoodcat | for whatever that is worth | 18:58 |
| mrgoodcat | brousch: now that i know what a ladder is, that formation looks wicked | 18:59 |
| rick_h_ | evening | 20:39 |
| cmaloney | Hey rick_h_ | 20:44 |
| cmaloney | how's the brussels? | 20:44 |
| rick_h_ | cmaloney: ok, need to get home. Getting a bit fed up with the food | 20:46 |
| cmaloney | I take it that's not in a good way? | 20:49 |
| cmaloney | or are we going to have to make a pilgrimage to the BBQ joint because they don't understand how to cook meat? | 20:49 |
| rick_h_ | hah yea | 20:50 |
| rick_h_ | well lots of bad meat | 20:50 |
| rick_h_ | and no veges | 20:50 |
| cmaloney | Blergh | 20:50 |
| cmaloney | I'm getting Belgian food in my search for Brussels. Are they similar? | 20:52 |
| rick_h_ | yea | 20:52 |
| cmaloney | because if they are I can totally see why you're not a fan | 20:52 |
| cmaloney | lots of heavy sauce reliance. | 20:52 |
| rick_h_ | waffles and frites and muscles | 20:52 |
| cmaloney | almost like French cuisine. | 20:52 |
| cmaloney | but more potato-heavy. | 20:52 |
| cmaloney | lots of starches | 20:52 |
| rick_h_ | yea | 20:53 |
| cmaloney | (eg: Bastone's) | 20:53 |
| mrgoodcat | brousch: that was probably the best thing you could have done there. well done | 21:54 |
| mrgoodcat | brousch: (that i could see. you really screwed up my idea) | 21:54 |
| brousch | Heh | 22:19 |
| mrgoodcat | this game seems more even | 22:21 |
| mrgoodcat | unfortunately, you are in my ladder and you are dead | 22:29 |
| mrgoodcat | oh wait apparently not | 22:34 |
| mrgoodcat | brousch: well played. i didn't even realize i had a shortage of liberties | 22:37 |
| brousch | Don't get cocky, kid | 22:39 |
| mrgoodcat | lol | 22:41 |
| brousch | I get thinking about the high level structures and forget fundamentals. Like the upper left | 22:41 |
| mrgoodcat | i was so happy to have finally trapped you | 22:43 |
| mrgoodcat | I don't see any way to win that corner back | 22:55 |
| mrgoodcat | brousch cmaloney wolfger: Maybe you guys already found this and i'm just late to the party but check this out http://eidogo.com/#url:http://www.dragongoserver.net/sgf.php?gid=934958 | 23:34 |
| bookiebot | http://goo.gl/mT2N1 - EidoGo - Go Games, Pattern Search, Joseki Tutor, SGF Editor | 23:34 |
| brousch | A different interface? | 23:37 |
| mrgoodcat | it lets you more easily look at past moves | 23:41 |
| mrgoodcat | much more fluid interface for interacting with the game | 23:41 |
| mrgoodcat | not sure you can use it to actually play though | 23:42 |
| mrgoodcat | for instance, arrow keys let you go forward and backward in history | 23:43 |
| brousch | The android client is quite nice for that | 23:47 |
| mrgoodcat | yea but i'm on a laptop right now | 23:47 |
| brousch | Laptop? What is this, 2012? | 23:48 |
| mrgoodcat | lol well its a chromebook | 23:49 |
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