[00:45] rick_h_: thanks! hope things are well there for you. [12:27] morn [12:27] brousch: not sure if i'll be at MUG. I've never been able to make it yet [12:32] Good morning [12:32] mrgoodcat: This would be the month to make it if you can. [12:33] what is this month? [12:35] brousch is presenting the Raspberry Pi [12:35] We're actually bringing him in to town [12:35] oh cool. from..... grand rapids/ [12:35] ? [12:35] Yep [12:35] via private car [12:36] namely his. [12:36] i <3 raspberry pi [12:36] lol [12:36] i guess it's technically private [12:36] more private than even a chauffeured car [12:36] Plus you could win a Raspberry Pi [12:37] http://www.mug.org/?page=CiviCRM&q=civicrm/event/info&page_id=1425&reset=1&id=34 [12:37] http://goo.gl/aebduj - Michigan!/usr/group | mug.org – A Michigan-based Linux and UNIX Free and Open Source Community [12:39] well i'll try to make it [12:40] > Ben Rousch is a serial user group organizer and an IT department in Grand Rapids, MI. [12:40] lol that sentence [12:53] My rpi camera is being a little turd. I think I'm switching to a more generic webcam [12:53] lol what model are you using? [12:54] rpi B with the official rpi camera [12:54] I think the rpi firmware update broke something [12:55] i meant what webcam model? [12:56] http://www.adafruit.com/products/1367 [12:56] http://goo.gl/Ak4PIB - Raspberry Pi Camera Board ID: 1367 - $29.95 : Adafruit Industries, Unique & fun DIY electronics and kits [12:57] The webcam is maybe a decade old USB from logitech [12:58] Fairly painless install and usage via simplecv [12:58] didn't realize it's specifically for rasp [12:58] cmaloney: Have you had Nate Oostendorp to MUG? [12:58] Yeah, for the extra special camera slot [12:59] computer club is trying to make a rpi camera that recognizes if a door is open right now [12:59] With its own extra special python module [12:59] its a pain in the arse [12:59] That would be pretty easy with simplecv [12:59] right now there's a qr code on the door and if it can be read the door is closed [12:59] That's really what it was built for [13:00] It is an easy Python wrapper around the very powerful and confusing opencv [13:00] lol [13:01] Take a photo of the door closed. that's your reference. Then compare the current state to that photo [13:01] i've never done image processing. a current member is working on it right now. [13:01] yea we've tried that [13:01] but the camera keeps getting moved [13:01] ah, that can be a problem [13:01] which makes the door say its open [13:01] the qr code is the most robust solution we've found yet [13:02] and its not that annoying to have a qr code on the door [13:02] You might be able to get away with color. Big green mark on the side of the door. If it sees green, it's open [13:02] colors was what originally led to the using of the qr code [13:03] The real solution to this is a magnetic sensor on the top of the door [13:03] lol that's what i said a long time ago [13:03] http://www.adafruit.com/product/375 [13:03] http://goo.gl/HBe7sL - Magnetic contact switch (door sensor) ID: 375 - $3.95 : Adafruit Industries, Unique & fun DIY electronics and kits [13:04] but the member making the door sensor wanted to learn image processing [13:04] which is as good a reason as any [13:04] its not really a mission critical application so we're not that worried about ut [13:05] Is it a bathroom status sensor? [13:05] the computer club has a room at WMU and only board members get a key to the room, so if a normal member wants to access the room somebody with access has to be there [13:05] ah [13:05] you can also just go to the web address of the webcam and look [13:05] or ask in the IRC channel [13:11] brousch: if i come tomorrow am i better off bringing a RPi? [13:11] Not really, unless you plan to lug around a keyboard, mouse, monitor, etc [13:12] ah yea good call [13:12] lol didn't really think that through [13:12] I'm going to present from my pi. Hopefully it won't be a disaster [13:14] right now both of mine are paperweights [13:14] occasional forkbomb servers when i'm bored [13:14] they used to be media server/client together though [13:26] bringing brousch in via private car.... sounds ritzy. :-D [13:27] My own car driven by own self :P [13:39] brousch: you fail at marketing [13:39] I don't like being fancy [13:40] does this count as importing an expert from out of town? ubuntu-us-mi is supposed to be all of michigan so IDK if grand rapids actually counts as out of town [13:42] But MUG is Detroit [14:04] MUG is Michigan [14:04] if it was Detroit, it would be DUG, wouldn't it? ;-) [14:06] Just because they named themselves for all of Michigan does not make it so [14:07] It helps to perpetuate the myth that Detroit is Michigan [14:11] what myth? XD [14:11] lol yea outside michigan I think Detroit is the only really recognizable MI city [14:11] Yes, but it is not representative of most of the state [14:11] We all know that SE Michigan is the only part of Michigan that matters. [14:12] It's an urban wasteland while 80% of the state is more like wilderness [14:13] People outside of Michigan also know Kalamazoo, but only because it's a funny name. :-) [14:17] anybody still using ello? [14:17] brousch: so, how pathetic of a Go opponent am I? I made one big mistake a while back, and not seeing any real way to recover. [14:18] mrgoodcat: define "using" :-p [14:18] I check it every once in a while to see if anybody posted anything. [14:19] brousch: No, we haven'tt, though I'd love to have him out at MUG at some point [14:19] wolfger: you can't possibly be doing as bad against brousch as me right now [14:19] * cmaloney went to school with Nate. [14:19] wolfger: It can be hard to recover on a 9x9. Just not much space to start over [14:19] but I think it's Yet Another Failed Social Network [14:19] cmaloney: GRPUG had him out about 4 years ago when he was starting simplecv [14:20] brousch: yeah, I don't know what he's up to at the moment [14:20] Seems SimpleCV imploded. [14:20] Or at least the company he was forming around it. [14:21] Ingenuitas, iirc. [14:22] It's this now http://sightmachine.com/ [14:22] http://goo.gl/UMepJ - Sight Machine [14:22] Social Network Success Flowchart [14:22] Are you facebook? [14:22] Yes -> win [14:22] No -> fail [14:22] brousch: Awesome. [14:23] Ah, in Ann Arbor, not Detroit like I was thinking [14:24] wolfger: It feels like you're still trying to surround my structure, but it is impossible to take because it has 2 eyes [14:25] brousch: i'm just hoping to get out of this game with SOME territory [14:28] mrgoodcat: You have the upper left unless I can attack it at the end, but the bottom might be lost [14:28] that's what i'm afraid of... D: [14:28] I have lost many games like 150 to 0 [14:29] that might be what happens here [14:31] i made a lot of early mistakes very quickly [14:31] and the more i got behind the more shortsighted i got [14:33] so how bout the snapchat leak? [14:34] anybody here use snapsave.com? [14:37] mrgoodcat: I think you can get 1 eye at d2, but the second will be tough [14:38] e1 might be the only other chance [14:39] i have a hard time understanding the future flow of the game. i'm not good at guessing what a person might do next. I have a lot more experience in chess [14:40] I think you have it [14:42] Ah, nope, found 1 play to kill it [14:43] brousch: I want to, but I know it's impossible, but I want to. :-p Mostly at the moment I'm trying to defend as well as I can because you undoubtedly have the upper hand. [14:43] wolfger: don't worry. i'm getting killed too [14:43] The only defense is a structure with at least 2 eyes. All others are dead [14:44] mrgoodcat: Do you see how I've disrupted the e1 potential? [14:45] I actually made the same error as you in my last game against a random [14:48] um... no [14:49] by making me play in it? [14:50] right. g1 is dead unless you plug the only hole. similar to b1. when the holes are plugged, you are left 1 eye [14:52] darn. i was hoping you'd get overzealous about trying to take my bottom structure and ignore me while i filled in that 3space hole [14:52] this game is over [14:52] I want to try the top [14:52] See if you can defend it [14:52] I have found 1 sequence of moves that can work if you defend badly [14:53] you can't take it i don't think [14:53] but you can encroach on my territory [14:55] Yeah, you blocked it now [14:55] i shouldn't have warned you ;) [14:55] I already knew where i was going if I had to defend that [14:55] hm [14:55] maybe [14:56] the bottom was completely lost so i didn't have anything better to do than fortify the top [14:57] OK, I think it's done [15:00] lol i got my shit rocked in that game [15:00] Quick reminder: brousch has played more games than most of us combined against other people. :) [15:00] i was so confident after the first one too [15:00] You did well. You got that whole top piece [15:01] Better than I do against these random geekers [15:01] lol [15:02] also you learned about those loners on the bottom, which I just figured out maybe 2 days ago [15:02] what about the loners? [15:03] They feel like a good move, but really they become useless [15:03] They are disconnected [15:04] You have to connect them to protect them, which fills the eye you were thinking of making next to them [15:05] got it. yea i realized that, just ran out of ideas and room. the rest of the board was wrecked [15:05] You did well. There were several times where I had to really think and plan to stop you [15:06] You scare me more than cmaloney and wolfger [15:08] :-D [15:08] lol well im glad i at least make you think [15:09] that was only probably my 4th game ever [15:09] want to play another? [15:09] You come at things from angles I don't usually look at [15:09] Yes [15:09] Want handicap? [15:10] cant tell if thats good because ingenuity or bad because dumb ideas [15:10] no im fine without handicap [15:10] I'm not good enough to tell the difference ;) [15:10] id rather just lose and learn [15:11] bumped it up to 13 [15:11] brousch: I don't scare you anymore? I'm crushed. [15:11] Not yet in this game [15:11] No, because you have a very strong capruting game [15:11] capturing, even [15:12] But you could have a long-game strategy I don't see [15:12] Nah, I'm pretty much feeling out the board at this point [15:15] oh you're going first on this one? [15:15] accepted btw [15:16] I didn't notice who goes first [15:16] so what is your logic starting so close to the corner? [15:17] i know that will be difficult to get behind, but it seems like so close, you don't have a lot of room to move [15:17] is the idea to create a 2 eye against the corner and expand from that? [15:18] Supposedly the good players play for the corners first, then move to the middle at the end [15:18] I thought I'd give it a try instead of my usual attack right away [15:19] seems like a good enough reason [15:19] I'm not confident of my execution though [15:19] I'm better at taking than building eyes [15:20] i'm obviously no good at either lol [15:20] No, you are decent at building [16:35] aggressive start [16:40] new favorite android app: textonly browser [16:47] !topic add PLAN Meeting, Sunday @ 2pm [16:47] whoops [16:47] ignore that [18:09] I didn't know what to do after the corners were played, so went back to my old strategy [18:10] lol [18:10] i dont know what to do ever [18:11] i think i defend better than i attack [18:12] probably because you have more experience defending ;) [18:12] ha yea i need to play someone a little more conservative [18:12] cmaloney seems less aggressive so far [18:14] i hope im not missing something important here... [18:14] mrgoodcat: Don't let that fool you. :) [18:15] yea were still very early in that game. i think its likely to take a month [18:16] mrgoodcat: Gah, got me [18:17] I was looking the other direction at the ladder [18:17] ladder? [18:20] Yeah, look it up for go terms. I was looking at a ladder that would occur going from my single stone [18:22] ah yea that looks like no fun to get caught in [18:22] the obvious defense is that there is no defense, abandon it because you lost no matter what [18:22] Not true. A ladder can go either way depending on the steering and intervening stones [18:24] intervening stones are the only way to save yourself [18:25] or a mistake i guess [18:28] right [18:45] brousch: Dammit [18:47] Eventually I'll stop giving brousch the ability to seal me in. [18:50] .reload [18:50] reloaded 35 plugins in 0.025624 seconds [18:50] .phonebook 2488856426 [18:50] Added mrgoodcat to the phonebook as 2488856426 [18:50] .sms test [18:50] .sms mrgoodcat test [18:51] .reload [18:51] reloaded 35 plugins in 0.022505 seconds [18:51] .sms mrgoodcat test [18:51] Message sent [18:51] bingo [18:54] cmaloney: You are actually in a very good position there. [18:54] .sms mrgoodcat Are you sure you want to do this? [18:54] Message sent [18:55] Some sort of double-ladder [18:55] lol well i can always disable it from an app on my phone [18:56] I really hate waiting for long-running processes [18:56] but as long as abuse is kept to a minimum i think its ok [18:56] because inevitably they fail after the longest part. [18:57] if you want to add your number and don't want to post it to the channel, you can pm bookiebot. i promise not to abuse the database [18:58] for whatever that is worth [18:59] brousch: now that i know what a ladder is, that formation looks wicked [20:39] evening [20:44] Hey rick_h_ [20:44] how's the brussels? [20:46] cmaloney: ok, need to get home. Getting a bit fed up with the food [20:49] I take it that's not in a good way? [20:49] or are we going to have to make a pilgrimage to the BBQ joint because they don't understand how to cook meat? [20:50] hah yea [20:50] well lots of bad meat [20:50] and no veges [20:50] Blergh [20:52] I'm getting Belgian food in my search for Brussels. Are they similar? [20:52] yea [20:52] because if they are I can totally see why you're not a fan [20:52] lots of heavy sauce reliance. [20:52] waffles and frites and muscles [20:52] almost like French cuisine. [20:52] but more potato-heavy. [20:52] lots of starches [20:53] yea [20:53] (eg: Bastone's) [21:54] brousch: that was probably the best thing you could have done there. well done [21:54] brousch: (that i could see. you really screwed up my idea) [22:19] Heh [22:21] this game seems more even [22:29] unfortunately, you are in my ladder and you are dead [22:34] oh wait apparently not [22:37] brousch: well played. i didn't even realize i had a shortage of liberties [22:39] Don't get cocky, kid [22:41] lol [22:41] I get thinking about the high level structures and forget fundamentals. Like the upper left [22:43] i was so happy to have finally trapped you [22:55] I don't see any way to win that corner back [23:34] brousch cmaloney wolfger: Maybe you guys already found this and i'm just late to the party but check this out http://eidogo.com/#url:http://www.dragongoserver.net/sgf.php?gid=934958 [23:34] http://goo.gl/mT2N1 - EidoGo - Go Games, Pattern Search, Joseki Tutor, SGF Editor [23:37] A different interface? [23:41] it lets you more easily look at past moves [23:41] much more fluid interface for interacting with the game [23:42] not sure you can use it to actually play though [23:43] for instance, arrow keys let you go forward and backward in history [23:47] The android client is quite nice for that [23:47] yea but i'm on a laptop right now [23:48] Laptop? What is this, 2012? [23:49] lol well its a chromebook