[00:45] <jrwren> rick_h_: thanks!  hope things are well there for you.
[12:27] <mrgoodcat> morn
[12:27] <mrgoodcat> brousch: not sure if i'll be at MUG. I've never been able to make it yet
[12:32] <cmaloney> Good morning
[12:32] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: This would be the month to make it if you can.
[12:33] <mrgoodcat> what is this month?
[12:35] <cmaloney> brousch is presenting the Raspberry Pi
[12:35] <cmaloney> We're actually bringing him in to town
[12:35] <mrgoodcat> oh cool. from..... grand rapids/
[12:35] <mrgoodcat> ?
[12:35] <cmaloney> Yep
[12:35] <cmaloney> via private car
[12:36] <cmaloney> namely his.
[12:36] <mrgoodcat> i <3 raspberry pi
[12:36] <mrgoodcat> lol
[12:36] <mrgoodcat> i guess it's technically private
[12:36] <mrgoodcat> more private than even a chauffeured car
[12:36] <cmaloney> Plus you could win a Raspberry Pi
[12:37] <cmaloney> http://www.mug.org/?page=CiviCRM&q=civicrm/event/info&page_id=1425&reset=1&id=34
[12:37] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/aebduj - Michigan!/usr/group | mug.org – A Michigan-based Linux and UNIX Free and Open Source Community
[12:39] <mrgoodcat> well i'll try to make it
[12:40] <mrgoodcat> > Ben Rousch is a serial user group organizer and an IT department in Grand Rapids, MI.
[12:40] <mrgoodcat> lol that sentence
[12:53] <brousch> My rpi camera is being a little turd. I think I'm switching to a more generic webcam
[12:53] <mrgoodcat> lol what model are you using?
[12:54] <brousch> rpi B with the official rpi camera
[12:54] <brousch> I think the rpi firmware update broke something
[12:55] <mrgoodcat> i meant what webcam model?
[12:56] <brousch> http://www.adafruit.com/products/1367
[12:56] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/Ak4PIB - Raspberry Pi Camera Board ID: 1367 - $29.95 : Adafruit Industries, Unique & fun DIY electronics and kits
[12:57] <brousch> The webcam is maybe a decade old USB from logitech
[12:58] <brousch> Fairly painless install and usage via simplecv
[12:58] <mrgoodcat> didn't realize it's specifically for rasp
[12:58] <brousch> cmaloney: Have you had Nate Oostendorp to MUG?
[12:58] <brousch> Yeah, for the extra special camera slot
[12:59] <mrgoodcat> computer club is trying to make a rpi camera that recognizes if a door is open right now
[12:59] <brousch> With its own extra special python module
[12:59] <mrgoodcat> its a pain in the arse
[12:59] <brousch> That would be pretty easy with simplecv
[12:59] <mrgoodcat> right now there's a qr code on the door and if it can be read the door is closed
[12:59] <brousch> That's really what it was built for
[13:00] <brousch> It is an easy Python wrapper around the very powerful and confusing opencv
[13:00] <mrgoodcat> lol
[13:01] <brousch> Take a photo of the door closed. that's your reference. Then compare the current state to that photo
[13:01] <mrgoodcat> i've never done image processing. a current member is working on it right now.
[13:01] <mrgoodcat> yea we've tried that
[13:01] <mrgoodcat> but the camera keeps getting moved
[13:01] <brousch> ah, that can be a problem
[13:01] <mrgoodcat> which makes the door say its open
[13:01] <mrgoodcat> the qr code is the most robust solution we've found yet
[13:02] <mrgoodcat> and its not that annoying to have a qr code on the door
[13:02] <brousch> You might be able to get away with color. Big green mark on the side of the door. If it sees green, it's open
[13:02] <mrgoodcat> colors was what originally led to the using of the qr code
[13:03] <brousch> The real solution to this is a magnetic sensor on the top of the door
[13:03] <mrgoodcat> lol that's what i said a long time ago
[13:03] <brousch> http://www.adafruit.com/product/375
[13:03] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/HBe7sL - Magnetic contact switch (door sensor) ID: 375 - $3.95 : Adafruit Industries, Unique & fun DIY electronics and kits
[13:04] <mrgoodcat> but the member making the door sensor wanted to learn image processing
[13:04] <mrgoodcat> which is as good a reason as any
[13:04] <mrgoodcat> its not really a mission critical application so we're not that worried about ut
[13:05] <brousch> Is it a bathroom status sensor?
[13:05] <mrgoodcat> the computer club has a room at WMU and only board members get a key to the room, so if a normal member wants to access the room somebody with access has to be there
[13:05] <brousch> ah
[13:05] <mrgoodcat> you can also just go to the web address of the webcam and look
[13:05] <mrgoodcat> or ask in the IRC channel
[13:11] <mrgoodcat> brousch: if i come tomorrow am i better off bringing a RPi?
[13:11] <brousch> Not really, unless you plan to lug around a keyboard, mouse, monitor, etc
[13:12] <mrgoodcat> ah yea good call
[13:12] <mrgoodcat> lol didn't really think that through
[13:12] <brousch> I'm going to present from my pi. Hopefully it won't be a disaster
[13:14] <mrgoodcat> right now both of mine are paperweights
[13:14] <mrgoodcat> occasional forkbomb servers when i'm bored
[13:14] <mrgoodcat> they used to be media server/client together though
[13:26] <wolfger> bringing brousch in via private car.... sounds ritzy. :-D
[13:27] <brousch> My own car driven by own self :P
[13:39] <wolfger> brousch: you fail at marketing
[13:39] <brousch> I don't like being fancy
[13:40] <mrgoodcat> does this count as importing an expert from out of town? ubuntu-us-mi is supposed to be all of michigan so IDK if grand rapids actually counts as out of town
[13:42] <brousch> But MUG is Detroit
[14:04] <wolfger> MUG is Michigan
[14:04] <wolfger> if it was Detroit, it would be DUG, wouldn't it? ;-)
[14:06] <brousch> Just because they named themselves for all of Michigan does not make it so
[14:07] <brousch> It helps to perpetuate the myth that Detroit is Michigan
[14:11] <wolfger> what myth? XD
[14:11] <mrgoodcat> lol yea outside michigan I think Detroit is the only really recognizable MI city
[14:11] <brousch> Yes, but it is not representative of most of the state
[14:11] <wolfger> We all know that SE Michigan is the only part of Michigan that matters.
[14:12] <brousch> It's an urban wasteland while 80% of the state is more like wilderness
[14:13] <wolfger> People outside of Michigan also know Kalamazoo, but only because it's a funny name. :-)
[14:17] <mrgoodcat> anybody still using ello?
[14:17] <wolfger> brousch:  so, how pathetic of a Go opponent am I? I made one big mistake a while back, and not seeing any real way to recover.
[14:18] <wolfger> mrgoodcat: define "using" :-p
[14:18] <wolfger> I check it every once in a while to see if anybody posted anything.
[14:19] <cmaloney> brousch: No, we haven'tt, though I'd love to have him out at MUG at some point
[14:19] <mrgoodcat> wolfger: you can't possibly be doing as bad against brousch as me right now
[14:19]  * cmaloney went to school with Nate.
[14:19] <brousch> wolfger: It can be hard to recover on a 9x9. Just not much space to start over
[14:19] <wolfger> but I think it's Yet Another Failed Social Network
[14:19] <brousch> cmaloney: GRPUG had him out about 4 years ago when he was starting simplecv
[14:20] <cmaloney> brousch: yeah, I don't know what he's up to at the moment
[14:20] <cmaloney> Seems SimpleCV imploded.
[14:20] <cmaloney> Or at least the company he was forming around it.
[14:21] <cmaloney> Ingenuitas, iirc.
[14:22] <brousch> It's this now http://sightmachine.com/
[14:22] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/UMepJ - Sight Machine
[14:22] <mrgoodcat> Social Network Success Flowchart
[14:22] <mrgoodcat> Are you facebook?
[14:22] <mrgoodcat> Yes -> win
[14:22] <mrgoodcat> No -> fail
[14:22] <cmaloney> brousch: Awesome.
[14:23] <brousch> Ah, in Ann Arbor, not Detroit like I was thinking
[14:24] <brousch> wolfger: It feels like you're still trying to surround my structure, but it is impossible to take because it has 2 eyes
[14:25] <mrgoodcat> brousch: i'm just hoping to get out of this game with SOME territory
[14:28] <brousch> mrgoodcat: You have the upper left unless I can attack it at the end, but the bottom might be lost
[14:28] <mrgoodcat> that's what i'm afraid of... D:
[14:28] <brousch> I have lost many games like 150 to 0
[14:29] <mrgoodcat> that might be what happens here
[14:31] <mrgoodcat> i made a lot of early mistakes very quickly
[14:31] <mrgoodcat> and the more i got behind the more shortsighted i got
[14:33] <mrgoodcat> so how bout the snapchat leak?
[14:34] <mrgoodcat> anybody here use snapsave.com?
[14:37] <brousch> mrgoodcat: I think you can get 1 eye at d2, but the second will be tough
[14:38] <brousch> e1 might be the only other chance
[14:39] <mrgoodcat> i have a hard time understanding the future flow of the game. i'm not good at guessing what a person might do next. I have a lot more experience in chess
[14:40] <brousch> I think you have it
[14:42] <brousch> Ah, nope, found 1 play to kill it
[14:43] <wolfger> brousch: I want to, but I know it's impossible, but I want to. :-p  Mostly at the moment I'm trying to defend as well as I can because you undoubtedly have the upper hand.
[14:43] <mrgoodcat> wolfger: don't worry. i'm getting killed too
[14:43] <brousch> The only defense is a structure with at least 2 eyes. All others are dead
[14:44] <brousch> mrgoodcat: Do you see how I've disrupted the e1 potential?
[14:45] <brousch> I actually made the same error as you in my last game against a random
[14:48] <mrgoodcat> um... no
[14:49] <mrgoodcat> by making me play in it?
[14:50] <brousch> right. g1 is dead unless you plug the only hole. similar to b1. when the holes are plugged, you are left 1 eye
[14:52] <mrgoodcat> darn. i was hoping you'd get overzealous about trying to take my bottom structure and ignore me while i filled in that 3space hole
[14:52] <mrgoodcat> this game is over
[14:52] <brousch> I want to try the top
[14:52] <brousch> See if you can defend it
[14:52] <brousch> I have found 1 sequence of moves that can work if you defend badly
[14:53] <mrgoodcat> you can't take it i don't think
[14:53] <mrgoodcat> but you can encroach on my territory
[14:55] <brousch> Yeah, you blocked it now
[14:55] <brousch> i shouldn't have warned you ;)
[14:55] <mrgoodcat> I already knew where i was going if I had to defend that
[14:55] <brousch> hm
[14:55] <brousch> maybe
[14:56] <mrgoodcat> the bottom was completely lost so i didn't have anything better to do than fortify the top
[14:57] <brousch> OK, I think it's done
[15:00] <mrgoodcat> lol i got my shit rocked in that game
[15:00] <cmaloney> Quick reminder: brousch has played more games than most of us combined against other people. :)
[15:00] <mrgoodcat> i was so confident after the first one too
[15:00] <brousch> You did well. You got that whole top piece
[15:01] <brousch> Better than I do against these random geekers
[15:01] <mrgoodcat> lol
[15:02] <brousch> also you learned about those loners on the bottom, which I just figured out maybe 2 days ago
[15:02] <mrgoodcat> what about the loners?
[15:03] <brousch> They feel like a good move, but really they become useless
[15:03] <brousch> They are disconnected
[15:04] <brousch> You have to connect them to protect them, which fills the eye you were thinking of making next to them
[15:05] <mrgoodcat> got it. yea i realized that, just ran out of ideas and room. the rest of the board was wrecked
[15:05] <brousch> You did well. There were several times where I had to really think and plan to stop you
[15:06] <brousch> You scare me more than cmaloney and wolfger
[15:08] <brousch> :-D
[15:08] <mrgoodcat> lol well im glad i at least make you think
[15:09] <mrgoodcat> that was only probably my 4th game ever
[15:09] <mrgoodcat> want to play another?
[15:09] <brousch> You come at things from angles I don't usually look at
[15:09] <brousch> Yes
[15:09] <brousch> Want handicap?
[15:10] <mrgoodcat> cant tell if thats good because ingenuity or bad because dumb ideas
[15:10] <mrgoodcat> no im fine without handicap
[15:10] <brousch> I'm not good enough to tell the difference ;)
[15:10] <mrgoodcat> id rather just lose and learn
[15:11] <brousch> bumped it up to 13
[15:11] <cmaloney> brousch: I don't scare you anymore? I'm crushed.
[15:11] <brousch> Not yet in this game
[15:11] <cmaloney> No, because you have a very strong capruting game
[15:11] <cmaloney> capturing, even
[15:12] <brousch> But you could have a long-game strategy I don't see
[15:12] <cmaloney> Nah, I'm pretty much feeling out the board at this point
[15:15] <mrgoodcat> oh you're going first on this one?
[15:15] <mrgoodcat> accepted btw
[15:16] <brousch> I didn't notice who goes first
[15:16] <mrgoodcat> so what is your logic starting so close to the corner?
[15:17] <mrgoodcat> i know that will be difficult to get behind, but it seems like so close, you don't have a lot of room to move
[15:17] <mrgoodcat> is the idea to create a 2 eye against the corner and expand from that?
[15:18] <brousch> Supposedly the good players play for the corners first, then move to the middle at the end
[15:18] <brousch> I thought I'd give it a try instead of my usual attack right away
[15:19] <mrgoodcat> seems like a good enough reason
[15:19] <brousch> I'm not confident of my execution though
[15:19] <brousch> I'm better at taking than building eyes
[15:20] <mrgoodcat> i'm obviously no good at either lol
[15:20] <brousch> No, you are decent at building
[16:35] <mrgoodcat> aggressive start
[16:40] <mrgoodcat> new favorite android app: textonly browser
[16:47] <mrgoodcat> !topic add PLAN Meeting, Sunday @ 2pm
[16:47] <mrgoodcat> whoops
[16:47] <mrgoodcat> ignore that
[18:09] <brousch> I didn't know what to do after the corners were played, so went back to my old strategy
[18:10] <mrgoodcat> lol
[18:10] <mrgoodcat> i dont know what to do ever
[18:11] <mrgoodcat> i think i defend better than i attack
[18:12] <brousch> probably because you have more experience defending ;)
[18:12] <mrgoodcat> ha yea i need to play someone a little more conservative
[18:12] <mrgoodcat> cmaloney seems less aggressive so far
[18:14] <mrgoodcat> i hope im not missing something important here...
[18:14] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: Don't let that fool you. :)
[18:15] <mrgoodcat> yea were still very early in that game. i think its likely to take a month
[18:16] <brousch> mrgoodcat: Gah, got me
[18:17] <brousch> I was looking the other direction at the ladder
[18:17] <mrgoodcat> ladder?
[18:20] <brousch> Yeah, look it up for go terms. I was looking at a ladder that would occur going from my single stone
[18:22] <mrgoodcat> ah yea that looks like no fun to get caught in
[18:22] <mrgoodcat> the obvious defense is that there is no defense, abandon it because you lost no matter what
[18:22] <brousch> Not true. A ladder can go either way depending on the steering and intervening stones
[18:24] <mrgoodcat> intervening stones are the only way to save yourself
[18:25] <mrgoodcat> or a mistake i guess
[18:28] <brousch> right
[18:45] <cmaloney> brousch: Dammit
[18:47] <cmaloney> Eventually I'll stop giving brousch the ability to seal me in.
[18:50] <mrgoodcat> .reload
[18:50] <bookiebot> reloaded 35 plugins in 0.025624 seconds
[18:50] <mrgoodcat> .phonebook 2488856426
[18:50] <bookiebot> Added mrgoodcat to the phonebook as 2488856426
[18:50] <mrgoodcat> .sms test
[18:50] <mrgoodcat> .sms mrgoodcat test
[18:51] <mrgoodcat> .reload
[18:51] <bookiebot> reloaded 35 plugins in 0.022505 seconds
[18:51] <mrgoodcat> .sms mrgoodcat test
[18:51] <bookiebot> Message sent
[18:51] <mrgoodcat> bingo
[18:54] <brousch> cmaloney: You are actually in a very good position there.
[18:54] <cmaloney> .sms mrgoodcat Are you sure you want to do this?
[18:54] <bookiebot> Message sent
[18:55] <brousch> Some sort of double-ladder
[18:55] <mrgoodcat> lol well i can always disable it from an app on my phone
[18:56] <cmaloney> I really hate waiting for long-running processes
[18:56] <mrgoodcat> but as long as abuse is kept to a minimum i think its ok
[18:56] <cmaloney> because inevitably they fail after the longest part.
[18:57] <mrgoodcat> if you want to add your number and don't want to post it to the channel, you can pm bookiebot. i promise not to abuse the database
[18:58] <mrgoodcat> for whatever that is worth
[18:59] <mrgoodcat> brousch: now that i know what a ladder is, that formation looks wicked
[20:39] <rick_h_> evening
[20:44] <cmaloney> Hey rick_h_
[20:44] <cmaloney> how's the brussels?
[20:46] <rick_h_> cmaloney: ok, need to get home. Getting a bit fed up with the food
[20:49] <cmaloney> I take it that's not in a good way?
[20:49] <cmaloney> or are we going to have to make a pilgrimage to the BBQ joint because they don't understand how to cook meat?
[20:50] <rick_h_> hah yea
[20:50] <rick_h_> well lots of bad meat
[20:50] <rick_h_> and no veges
[20:50] <cmaloney> Blergh
[20:52] <cmaloney> I'm getting Belgian food in my search for Brussels. Are they similar?
[20:52] <rick_h_> yea
[20:52] <cmaloney> because if they are I can totally see why you're not a fan
[20:52] <cmaloney> lots of heavy sauce reliance.
[20:52] <rick_h_> waffles and frites and muscles
[20:52] <cmaloney> almost like French cuisine.
[20:52] <cmaloney> but more potato-heavy.
[20:52] <cmaloney> lots of starches
[20:53] <rick_h_> yea
[20:53] <cmaloney> (eg: Bastone's)
[21:54] <mrgoodcat> brousch: that was probably the best thing you could have done there. well done
[21:54] <mrgoodcat> brousch: (that i could see. you really screwed up my idea)
[22:19] <brousch> Heh
[22:21] <mrgoodcat> this game seems more even
[22:29] <mrgoodcat> unfortunately, you are in my ladder and you are dead
[22:34] <mrgoodcat> oh wait apparently not
[22:37] <mrgoodcat> brousch: well played. i didn't even realize i had a shortage of liberties
[22:39] <brousch> Don't get cocky,  kid
[22:41] <mrgoodcat> lol
[22:41] <brousch> I get thinking about the high level structures and forget fundamentals. Like the upper left
[22:43] <mrgoodcat> i was so happy to have finally trapped you
[22:55] <mrgoodcat> I don't see any way to win that corner back
[23:34] <mrgoodcat> brousch cmaloney wolfger: Maybe you guys already found this and i'm just late to the party but check this out http://eidogo.com/#url:http://www.dragongoserver.net/sgf.php?gid=934958
[23:34] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/mT2N1 - EidoGo - Go Games, Pattern Search, Joseki Tutor, SGF Editor
[23:37] <brousch> A different interface?
[23:41] <mrgoodcat> it lets you more easily look at past moves
[23:41] <mrgoodcat> much more fluid interface for interacting with the game
[23:42] <mrgoodcat> not sure you can use it to actually play though
[23:43] <mrgoodcat> for instance, arrow keys let you go forward and backward in history
[23:47] <brousch> The android client is quite nice for that
[23:47] <mrgoodcat> yea but i'm on a laptop right now
[23:48] <brousch> Laptop? What is this, 2012?
[23:49] <mrgoodcat> lol well its a chromebook