| Kilos | morning peeps. today im a bit earlier | 04:30 |
|---|---|---|
| Kilos | hi Tonberry you early too | 04:47 |
| Tonberry | hi | 04:47 |
| Kilos | hmm... graeme not here today | 05:11 |
| Kilos | Maaz cremora | 05:33 |
| Maaz | It's not inside Twit. It's on TOP | 05:33 |
| Squirm | morning all | 06:04 |
| Kilos | wb ThatGraemeGuy | 06:04 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | morning | 06:04 |
| Kilos | hi Squirm | 06:07 |
| Kilos | ThatGraemeGuy did you put xfce on a kubuntu install or xfce straight? | 06:20 |
| Kilos | i would like to try it again but dont want to mess up a working kde, just looking for something lighter | 06:21 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | xubuntu | 06:21 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | you can just install the xfce-desktop virtual package but i prefer not to make such a mess | 06:21 |
| Trixar_za | Ubuntu derivatives normally aren't that light to begin with :P | 06:27 |
| Kilos | ty guys | 06:28 |
| Kilos | Trixar_za i gotta try stay ubuntu loyal | 06:28 |
| Kilos | dont want to break away completely | 06:29 |
| Kilos | ill even give unity another go in 2016 | 06:30 |
| inetpro | good mornings | 06:55 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | 'lo inetpro | 06:58 |
| Kilos | morning inetpro bduk1 | 07:02 |
| Squirm | I'm still hooked on Mint | 07:03 |
| Squirm | the ONLY issue I have | 07:04 |
| Squirm | and it annoys me | 07:04 |
| Squirm | is I can't put panels on my second monitor | 07:04 |
| bduk1 | More almal | 07:04 |
| inetpro | Squirm: why would you want panels on the 2nd monitor? | 07:10 |
| * inetpro just wondering | 07:10 | |
| ThatGraemeGuy | How can you possibly want something different from me?!?!?! omg!?!? | 07:11 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | :P | 07:11 |
| Squirm | in Mint MATE/Gnome 2, you can actually have your window list on your new panel, it then seperates them | 07:11 |
| Squirm | so I see my open windows for Monitor 1 on Monitor 1 | 07:12 |
| Squirm | and open windows for monitor 2 on monitor 2 | 07:12 |
| Squirm | less clutter | 07:12 |
| Squirm | easier to look for | 07:12 |
| Squirm | I have a 40" TV as my 2nd monitor, so there's a bit of a head movement everytime I need to switch windows | 07:12 |
| Kilos | lol | 07:14 |
| charl | morning | 07:19 |
| charl | Maaz: coffee on | 07:19 |
| * Maaz flips the salt-timer | 07:19 | |
| Kilos | hi Spekko | 07:21 |
| Maaz | Coffee's ready for charl! | 07:23 |
| Kilos | hi charl | 07:24 |
| * Kilos missed coffee time | 07:24 | |
| charl | kahviaika | 07:26 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | anyone use telkom mobile? | 07:26 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | in general, not just for data i mean | 07:26 |
| charl | hi Kilos, Spekko, ThatGraemeGuy | 07:26 |
| Kilos | yip me ThatGraemeGuy | 07:28 |
| Kilos | oh whats for general mean | 07:29 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | calls and sms too | 07:29 |
| Kilos | ya my sis and i | 07:29 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | no complaints? | 07:29 |
| charl | yet another bash patch this morning i see | 07:29 |
| Kilos | she has telkom sim in second fone | 07:29 |
| Kilos | nope | 07:29 |
| Spekko | Hi charl, hello Kilos | 07:29 |
| charl | :) | 07:30 |
| Kilos | you will also find their help centre much more efficient ThatGraemeGuy | 07:30 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | i'm tempted, slightly better rates than mtn in general, and if the wife also moves then calls between us are only 29c/min | 07:30 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | and i make most of my calls to her | 07:30 |
| Kilos | then thats the way to go | 07:31 |
| Kilos | dunno about there but here telkom is much more stable than mtn anyway | 07:31 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | telkom sms bundles are a bit stupid though. standard rate for SMS is 29c, if you buy the cheaper bundles it actually works out more expensive | 07:32 |
| Kilos | i have a mtn fone that i keep off most of the time because of constand messages that give info on some % of stuff | 07:32 |
| Kilos | sims are cheap man , try it and drop it if you arent happy | 07:33 |
| Kilos | what does this mean | 07:35 |
| Kilos | http://mybroadband.co.za/news/internet/111696-telkom-internet-offers-free-dynamic-dns.html | 07:35 |
| charl | oh that's if you want to run a server at home Kilos | 07:36 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | Kilos: if you are with telkom internet you can now get a DNS name that will always point to your ADSL IP | 07:36 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | not relevant to you | 07:36 |
| Kilos | you can get a domain name with it? | 07:37 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | no | 07:37 |
| Kilos | for free? | 07:37 |
| Kilos | oh | 07:37 |
| charl | well you probably will get a subdomain for free under one of telkom's domains Kilos | 07:37 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | it'll likely be something like qw4243e11.telkomadsl.net or somesuch thing | 07:37 |
| charl | but nothing "nice" probably | 07:37 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | its not relevant to you anyway, Telkom Internet != Telkom Mobile | 07:38 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | domains are dirt cheap anyway if you really wanted one | 07:38 |
| charl | you can still get free domains under .za.net and .za.org afaik | 07:39 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | not anymore | 07:39 |
| charl | ah, they stopped that service ? | 07:39 |
| Kilos | ya i saw with ian and hetzner | 07:39 |
| Kilos | those are stopped charl | 07:39 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | yeah the idea behind that originally was that domains were pretty expensive, and now they are dirt cheap so no sense doing it anymore | 07:39 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | silly reasoning imho but meh | 07:39 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | they still service changes to existing domains just don't accept new registrations | 07:40 |
| charl | ah indeed, za nic stopped functioning | 07:40 |
| charl | just read the announcement on the page | 07:40 |
| Kilos | ians site there with hetzner is lekker fast | 07:41 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | that's because we are the best :P | 07:41 |
| Kilos | looks like | 07:41 |
| Kilos | pity all sites dont open as fast, that would make browsing a pleasure | 07:42 |
| charl | i was in the galo manor data center of hetzner once, it was freeeeeezing cold | 07:42 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | that's MTN's facility, we moved out there about a year ago | 07:43 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | hideous place | 07:43 |
| charl | indeed | 07:56 |
| charl | back then it still belonged to verizon | 08:02 |
| charl | dunno who it belonged to originally, maybe uunet before verizon bought them | 08:03 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | probably | 08:10 |
| Kilos | hi gremble | 08:32 |
| charl | hi gremble | 09:28 |
| Kilos | hi drussell hows things in the uk? | 09:58 |
| Kilos | or you galivanting again | 09:58 |
| drussell | Kilos: hehe nope I'm in the UK for a change :oD | 09:58 |
| Kilos | haha | 09:58 |
| drussell | Kilos: things are good, how about you? | 09:58 |
| Kilos | good ty | 09:58 |
| Kilos | hmm... | 10:30 |
| theblazehen | hi all | 12:54 |
| charl | hoi theblazehen | 12:56 |
| theblazehen | hey charl, anything interesting happen lately? | 12:56 |
| charl | depends on what you define as interesting | 12:57 |
| charl | i got a raspberry pi | 12:57 |
| charl | and am looking at buying a tv now | 12:57 |
| charl | and busy helping my mom with some stuff | 12:58 |
| charl | you? | 12:58 |
| Squirm | RPi is cool | 13:07 |
| Squirm | have RaspBMC running on mine | 13:07 |
| Squirm | streams 1080p from my dsktop PC perfectly well | 13:07 |
| Squirm | had to use NFS though, Samba would stream well enough, but only files up to about 6Gb/7Gb big. I can stream 15Gb through NFS | 13:07 |
| Kilos | hi theblazehen | 13:13 |
| Kilos | hi JabberwockyA19 | 13:14 |
| JabberwockyA19 | hey Kilos! :) | 13:15 |
| JabberwockyA19 | ek het getrek, weer adsl gekry dan trek ek weer in desemeber >.< | 13:16 |
| Kilos | ai! | 13:18 |
| Kilos | trek na n plek wat klaar adsl het ma | 13:18 |
| Kilos | man | 13:19 |
| Kilos | of sommer ftth | 13:19 |
| theblazehen | hi Kilos | 13:19 |
| theblazehen | charl: nice, not much happening here. Just school, etc | 13:19 |
| charl | ah | 13:19 |
| theblazehen | Squirm: does it do mkv? | 13:20 |
| Squirm | theblazehen: yes | 13:24 |
| Squirm | managed to stream 3D mkv files | 13:24 |
| theblazehen | Squirm: nice, ty. Was thinking of getting one for media too | 13:25 |
| Squirm | theblazehen: RaspBMC is XBMC modified a bit | 13:25 |
| theblazehen | kk | 13:25 |
| Squirm | so if you have an old PC, XBMC will work like a charm | 13:25 |
| Squirm | then I use an Android app for the XBMC remote, it's called Yatse | 13:25 |
| Squirm | free | 13:25 |
| theblazehen | Squirm: yatse better than the official remote? | 14:00 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | it is | 14:01 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | well i haven't used the official remote in a while, but at the time i switched it was better | 14:01 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | although i mostly use a mini keyboard | 14:01 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | http://www.takealot.com/rii-mini-i8-multimedia-wireless-keyboard/PLID20571695 that sort of thing | 14:02 |
| Squirm | yes it is | 14:03 |
| Squirm | Yatse is much better | 14:03 |
| Squirm | I also bough the Upgrade for it, I can stream to/from my phone now... | 14:04 |
| Squirm | :P | 14:04 |
| Squirm | was cheap anyway | 14:04 |
| charl | afaik RaspBMC is not xbmc modified, it is a linux distro built around xbmc, a bit like openelec | 14:48 |
| charl | correct me if i'm wrong though | 14:48 |
| inetpro | what do you guys say about Google dropping ext2/3/4 as a filesystem on the chromebook? | 14:55 |
| inetpro | https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=315401 | 14:57 |
| Squirm | charl: Yes... When I say modified, I mean the distro has been modified | 15:06 |
| Squirm | stripped down | 15:06 |
| Squirm | made lighter | 15:06 |
| Squirm | and they use a very basic theme to start with | 15:07 |
| charl | inetpro: unnecessary features ?! what kind of crack have they been smoking | 17:10 |
| Kilos | haha | 17:33 |
| Kilos | Maaz seen superfly | 17:34 |
| Maaz | Kilos: superfly was last seen 5 days, 3 hours, 56 minutes and 40 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2014-10-08 06:37:43 PDT], and has been online on freenode since 2014-10-07 22:32:54 PDT | 17:34 |
| Kilos | oh my | 17:34 |
| Kilos | hi Private_User | 17:38 |
| Private_User | hi Kilos | 17:38 |
| * Kilos forgets the lame command | 17:39 | |
| Private_User | lol | 17:41 |
| Private_User | lame command? | 17:41 |
| charl | he wants to blame superfly for being lame i think :P | 17:42 |
| Kilos | Maaz nickometer Private_User | 17:42 |
| Private_User | lol | 17:42 |
| Maaz | Kilos: Private_User is 14.4% lame | 17:42 |
| Private_User | LOL | 17:42 |
| Kilos | i forgot nickometer | 17:42 |
| Private_User | Maaz: nickometer Kilos | 17:42 |
| Maaz | Private_User: Kilos is 0.0% lame | 17:42 |
| Private_User | LOL | 17:43 |
| charl | Maaz: nickometer charl | 17:43 |
| Maaz | charl: charl is 0.0% lame | 17:43 |
| Private_User | how come I am lame | 17:43 |
| Kilos | its the _ | 17:43 |
| Kilos | he dont like them things | 17:43 |
| charl | Maaz: help nickometer | 17:43 |
| Maaz | charl: Calculates how lame a nick is. You can use it like this: | 17:43 |
| Maaz | nickometer [<nick>] [with reasons] | 17:43 |
| charl | based off which criteria... we don't know, a case of RTFS | 17:44 |
| Private_User | Maaz: nickometer Private_User reason | 17:45 |
| Kilos | Maaz nickometer Private_User reasons | 17:45 |
| Private_User | lol | 17:45 |
| Maaz | Private_User: Private_User reason is 25.6% lame | 17:45 |
| Maaz | Kilos: Private_User reasons is 80.1% lame | 17:45 |
| Kilos | sjoe | 17:45 |
| charl | Maaz: nickometer charl because i suck | 17:45 |
| Maaz | charl: charl because i suck is 69.4% lame | 17:45 |
| Private_User | Maaz: nickometer Private_User | 17:45 |
| Maaz | Private_User: Private_User is 14.4% lame | 17:45 |
| charl | i think it's broken | 17:45 |
| Kilos | no man | 17:46 |
| Kilos | we just gotta find how to type the reasons bit in | 17:46 |
| Kilos | Maaz nickometer Private_User with reasons | 17:46 |
| Maaz | Kilos: Private_User is 14.4% lame | 17:46 |
| Maaz | Kilos: Because: 1 extraneous symbols (62.8852045282) | 17:46 |
| charl | ah now i get it | 17:47 |
| Private_User | Maaz: nickometer Private_User I as a BOT | 17:47 |
| Maaz | Private_User: Private_User I as a BOT is 99.92% lame | 17:47 |
| Private_User | LOL | 17:47 |
| charl | the with reasons is not your own reasons it's literally the string "with reasons" | 17:47 |
| charl | i also misunderstood it | 17:47 |
| charl | Maaz: nickometer charl with reasons | 17:48 |
| Maaz | charl: charl is 0.0% lame | 17:48 |
| Maaz | charl: Because: A good, traditional nick (0) | 17:48 |
| Private_User | yeah I figured but now its sounds like Maaz is calling itself 99.92% lame | 17:48 |
| Kilos | Maaz nickometer Kilos with reasons | 17:48 |
| Maaz | Kilos: Kilos is 0.0% lame | 17:48 |
| Maaz | Kilos: Because: A good, traditional nick (0) | 17:48 |
| charl | look look :D | 17:48 |
| Kilos | haha | 17:48 |
| charl | lol | 17:48 |
| charl | we are good and traditional Kilos not lame at all, there you go | 17:49 |
| charl | :) | 17:49 |
| Private_User | I think thats lame | 17:49 |
| Private_User | lol | 17:49 |
| Kilos | ya | 17:49 |
| Private_User | you need to be different | 17:49 |
| Private_User | unique per say | 17:50 |
| Private_User | ;) | 17:50 |
| Kilos | i am very different | 17:50 |
| Private_User | hehe | 17:50 |
| Kilos | i always need help | 17:50 |
| Private_User | I think my 3G will be expiring tomorrow | 17:50 |
| Private_User | hmm... | 17:51 |
| Kilos | why? | 17:51 |
| Private_User | its been 12 months I think | 17:51 |
| Private_User | yes 12 months tomorrow | 17:51 |
| Kilos | you on contract? | 17:51 |
| Private_User | I wrote the date when I first activated it | 17:51 |
| Private_User | its a prepaid 12 month contract | 17:51 |
| Kilos | oi | 17:52 |
| Private_User | so once off payment I got 150GB Nite Data and 50GB Normal Data | 17:52 |
| Private_User | valid for 12 months | 17:52 |
| Kilos | sjoe so much | 17:53 |
| Private_User | ha I even wrote the time I activated the SIM 21:00 14/10/2013 | 17:53 |
| charl | that's pretty decent for mobile data | 17:53 |
| Private_User | but I am glad it lasted me | 17:53 |
| Private_User | I was afraid I might have finished it before the 12months were over | 17:54 |
| Kilos | haha | 17:54 |
| Kilos | now you gotta get as much before midnight | 17:55 |
| Private_User | yeah good thinking | 17:55 |
| Kilos | new haswell cpus are fast it seems | 17:55 |
| Kilos | Xeon E5 leaping across long list of compute-intensive challenges. | 17:55 |
| Private_User | let me see what I can download since I have quite a bit of data left | 17:55 |
| charl | i've heard good things about haswell | 17:56 |
| Kilos | ya use what you can | 17:56 |
| Private_User | I have 10,728.66MB of peak data and 81,621.95MB of midnight data | 17:58 |
| charl | queue downloads Private_User, make a shell script with wgets and run them one after the other | 17:58 |
| charl | i used to do that | 17:59 |
| Kilos | lol | 17:59 |
| Private_User | sounds like a plan only question is do i have the hdd space | 17:59 |
| charl | ah | 17:59 |
| charl | connect an external man what is this :P | 18:00 |
| Private_User | lol | 18:01 |
| Kilos | not enough time to use all that data with a voda connection | 18:06 |
| Kilos | ohi superfly wb, hows family? | 18:07 |
| superfly | hi Kilos, they're fine thanks | 18:07 |
| Kilos | good | 18:08 |
| Private_User | I am on CellC Kilos, but yeah I could have done lots of downloading and data usage but we did not have power here only got back like 2 hours ago | 18:11 |
| Private_User | and last week we did not have power for like3 days | 18:11 |
| Kilos | eish | 18:12 |
| Private_User | yeah see like it took them 3 days to figure out somebody cut one of the power cable poles and the cables snapped | 18:12 |
| Private_User | and yet when the fault was reported they said it was a transformer that blew | 18:12 |
| charl | hey superfly | 18:13 |
| Private_User | lol | 18:13 |
| superfly | hi charl | 18:13 |
| Private_User | hi superfly | 18:13 |
| superfly | hi Private_User | 18:13 |
| magespawn | good evening | 18:14 |
| Kilos | hi magespawn | 18:14 |
| Private_User | evening magespawn | 18:15 |
| charl | hi magespawn | 18:15 |
| charl | how are you doing | 18:15 |
| magespawn | good and you charl ? | 18:15 |
| charl | good good | 18:16 |
| magespawn | hi Kilos Private_User | 18:16 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | phew | 18:27 |
| Kilos | hi ThatGraemeGuy | 18:27 |
| Kilos | what? | 18:27 |
| Kilos | 3g again? | 18:27 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | so my internetlessness is thanks to my local copper liberation organisation reportedly | 18:27 |
| Kilos | lol | 18:27 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | and my MTN EDGE is insanely slow for some reason | 18:27 |
| Kilos | does your 3g connect automatically? | 18:28 |
| magespawn | hah had to read that twice | 18:28 |
| Kilos | edge is slow | 18:28 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | like so bad even DNS lookups don't complete | 18:28 |
| Kilos | sjoe | 18:28 |
| Kilos | answer man | 18:28 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | i popped my tablet's SIM in to my mifi box so at least we have some connectivity | 18:28 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | got EDGE on MTN, HSPA+ on cellc :-o | 18:29 |
| Kilos | oh you go with wifi | 18:29 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | @$%^# you MTN | 18:29 |
| Kilos | lol | 18:29 |
| Kilos | mtn always has sucked | 18:29 |
| Kilos | go telkom mobile | 18:29 |
| Squirm | good evening | 18:30 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | i think i must get a telkom sim for testing | 18:30 |
| Kilos | even get their d-link 157 modem thats a faster one than mine | 18:30 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | let me and the wife use it for a week each | 18:30 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | if its ok then i'll port my number | 18:30 |
| Kilos | the 157 can do around 23mb/s | 18:31 |
| Squirm | ThatGraemeGuy: only issue is coverage, if you're out of the city | 18:31 |
| Squirm | I know here in Mooi River Telkom Mobile doesn't really work... | 18:31 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | i'm on the edge of civilisation | 18:31 |
| Squirm | that should be fine | 18:31 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | i'm on the back side of a hill, with more view of farmlands and mountains than of table mountain | 18:31 |
| Squirm | not when you travel to a place like this they call a "town" | 18:32 |
| Kilos | they got a good coverage map and you can just fone and talk to them and give your addy and they tell you presactly what you can expect | 18:32 |
| Squirm | Kilos: it's all on their website | 18:32 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | if I go not even a km from my house I get HSPA+ on mtn | 18:32 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | but not on this side of the hill | 18:32 |
| Kilos | eish | 18:32 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | i couldn't get telkom's coverage map to load all day | 18:32 |
| Kilos | move closer | 18:32 |
| Kilos | hehe | 18:32 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | the map loads but not the colour overlay | 18:32 |
| Squirm | yeah, I get Vodacom HSPA+ here, at home(which is one side of the campus). When I get to my office, on the other side of the hill... No reception what so oever | 18:33 |
| Squirm | but the WiFi makes up for it :P | 18:33 |
| Squirm | they do load | 18:34 |
| Squirm | umm | 18:34 |
| Squirm | untick and retick | 18:34 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | urgh | 18:35 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | ok i spoke too soon | 18:35 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | cell c not much better | 18:35 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | everybody's ADSL has died and now the cell towers are meltin | 18:36 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | +g | 18:36 |
| Kilos | sjoe | 18:37 |
| inetpro | ai! | 18:43 |
| Kilos | wat nou inetpro ? | 18:44 |
| inetpro | these mobile companies having way too much leeway | 18:44 |
| Kilos | ya | 18:44 |
| inetpro | was in the rurals this weekend again and signal has still not improved in any way | 18:46 |
| inetpro | in fact seems to have gotten worse | 18:46 |
| Kilos | eish | 18:46 |
| Kilos | they only care about areas with many peeps in | 18:46 |
| Kilos | i even had to use a yagi to get mtn signal when i was still onna farm in rustenburg | 18:47 |
| inetpro | I feel so sorry for family and friends who also want to use the latest and greatest mobile phones only to find extreme useless signal | 18:49 |
| inetpro | such a shame | 18:50 |
| Kilos | ya | 18:54 |
| Kilos | inetpro you can look into them using yagis | 18:56 |
| Kilos | dunno if mod fones have place to plugin but | 18:57 |
| inetpro | jaja but it shouldn't be necessary man | 18:57 |
| inetpro | our telecoms industry sucks | 18:57 |
| Kilos | ya man but you think they gonna worry about 5 peeps | 18:57 |
| charl | i'm sorry to break this to you but even in europe there are many blind spots | 18:57 |
| Kilos | complain on twitter to the ceos | 18:58 |
| charl | you get some places great signal and other places it blows | 18:58 |
| inetpro | charl: but you don't have cable theft like we do | 18:58 |
| charl | yes that's true, we're not dependent on it | 18:58 |
| Kilos | those peeps need to be rich so they can use satelite | 18:58 |
| charl | in europe mobile phone internet is only for when you're on the road, in the train etc | 18:58 |
| inetpro | sattelite is not a good solution | 18:59 |
| charl | not for when you're at home, *everybody* has fast landline access with local wifi | 18:59 |
| charl | well, almost everybody in any case | 18:59 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | weird. minetest doesn't connect at all | 19:00 |
| inetpro | Symmetria: what's the average cost per km to lay fiber these days? | 19:04 |
| magespawn | inetpro what is wrong with satellite? | 19:10 |
| Kilos | expensive | 19:10 |
| magespawn | apart from the cost | 19:11 |
| inetpro | no | 19:11 |
| Kilos | and latency | 19:11 |
| inetpro | latency | 19:11 |
| Kilos | bad latency is better than no connection | 19:11 |
| Squirm | it's not that expensive | 19:12 |
| Squirm | for the fibre itself | 19:12 |
| charl | fibre is cheap it costs a lot of money to dig up the place | 19:13 |
| charl | that's why they have it quicker in the countryside than in the cities | 19:14 |
| charl | all that brick and tar etc you have to dig up and later fill and repair | 19:14 |
| charl | the cost of the fibre itself is negligable by comparison | 19:14 |
| charl | lots of human labour involved and that's expensive outside the raw materials and special equipment | 19:15 |
| charl | to put down the infrastructure costs a lot of money, once that is done it's cheap to provide the service | 19:15 |
| magespawn | charl, i would have thought in the cities, at least the big ones, there would be plenty of conduit and piping that you could reuse | 19:22 |
| inetpro | Kilos: latency is particularly troublesome for online gaming | 19:23 |
| Kilos | lol | 19:24 |
| Kilos | i know about that | 19:24 |
| Kilos | inetpro mtn is offering a ftth thing | 19:25 |
| inetpro | even for normal internet usage there is a noticeable delay between the moment a user clicks on something and the moment in which the user sees the result | 19:25 |
| Kilos | you could get an idea of costs from them maybe | 19:25 |
| * Kilos thinks fibre is out of reach to Aall rural peeps | 19:26 | |
| inetpro | Kilos: it shouldn't be out of reach | 19:27 |
| charl | magespawn: indeed, i would assume the same, but apparently most cities in europe have grown out over the years without proper planning | 19:27 |
| Kilos | ya but it is | 19:27 |
| magespawn | charl, i see | 19:27 |
| Kilos | have you seen the costs per hour for a trench diggin machine | 19:27 |
| Kilos | thousands per hour | 19:28 |
| charl | exactly | 19:28 |
| charl | and you need the necessary permits and the repair afterwards | 19:28 |
| charl | digging the trench is only half or perhaps a third of the cost | 19:28 |
| inetpro | with proper planning it should be possible to deliver fibre as a service over a long run rather than as a business to make lots of money over a short period | 19:28 |
| magespawn | mtn is doing ftth, now you can get about 100Mbps with 100GB for R1300 odd rand a month, but only in a few limited places | 19:29 |
| charl | what's the point if you only have 100gb | 19:29 |
| charl | might as well forget about it, it kills it before it even starts | 19:29 |
| charl | i download 50gb in a day | 19:29 |
| magespawn | well the price will come down and data allowances will go up | 19:30 |
| charl | inetpro: either the government needs to invest or the community needs to do-it-yourself like in germany | 19:30 |
| charl | even for a start, 100gb is dismal, this is 2014 | 19:30 |
| charl | they should start with 1tb at least | 19:30 |
| Kilos | lol | 19:30 |
| charl | no seriously Kilos you africans need to up your expectations | 19:30 |
| charl | this low expectation BS is ridiculous | 19:31 |
| magespawn | charl, that would be a lot by sa standards. the networks i watch here get away with less than that in a month | 19:31 |
| inetpro | charl: I agree with you | 19:31 |
| Kilos | im gonna make 2 months on a 2+1 bundle | 19:31 |
| Kilos | expectations dont bother the powers that be | 19:31 |
| magespawn | have uncapped adsl but rarely go over 30 gig a month | 19:31 |
| charl | they do it because they can get away with it | 19:32 |
| charl | because people are happy like that and fork over their hard earned cash | 19:32 |
| charl | no competition in the market means everybody loses | 19:32 |
| charl | except the few at the top who have houses in the carribean | 19:32 |
| Kilos | lol | 19:33 |
| charl | and the government sits by and probably gets kick backs | 19:33 |
| charl | and the people keep voting for the broken government because they don't know any better | 19:33 |
| charl | it's a cycle of poverty | 19:33 |
| charl | keep people dumb, uneducated, and keep yourself in power | 19:34 |
| charl | extreme case is north korea | 19:34 |
| magespawn | yup and keeping the internet away from people is one of the ways that the cycle keeps on going | 19:34 |
| charl | exactly magespawn | 19:34 |
| magespawn | i always thought two of the ways to get people out of poverty would be if you could get every one online and every one with electricity | 19:35 |
| charl | that too but you need clean drinking water and food | 19:36 |
| charl | and you need good education and the right culture, a culture of thinking for yourself and challenging the norms | 19:36 |
| inetpro | they say the secret to happiness is low expectations but unfortunately expectations drive behavior | 19:36 |
| inetpro | the higher your expectations, the better you tend to perform | 19:36 |
| magespawn | with those two things you could take care of pretty much any other problems, simplistically put of course | 19:36 |
| charl | otherwise you end up like the arab spring countries, revolution and they end up in more mess than they were before, because once again they were being manipulated | 19:37 |
| charl | the internet can be used as much for mass manipulation and it can be used for mass education | 19:37 |
| magespawn | indeed | 19:38 |
| charl | it all depends on who you let do the education | 19:38 |
| charl | :) | 19:39 |
| charl | i should say "education" between quotes | 19:39 |
| Kilos | night all. sleep tight | 19:42 |
| Kilos | Maaz watch them | 19:42 |
| Maaz | OK Kilos I'll keep an eye on them for you | 19:42 |
| charl | nn Kilos :) | 19:42 |
| magespawn | good night all | 20:44 |
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