[04:30] morning peeps. today im a bit earlier [04:47] hi Tonberry you early too [04:47] hi [05:11] hmm... graeme not here today [05:33] Maaz cremora [05:33] It's not inside Twit. It's on TOP [06:04] morning all [06:04] wb ThatGraemeGuy [06:04] morning [06:07] hi Squirm [06:20] ThatGraemeGuy did you put xfce on a kubuntu install or xfce straight? [06:21] i would like to try it again but dont want to mess up a working kde, just looking for something lighter [06:21] xubuntu [06:21] you can just install the xfce-desktop virtual package but i prefer not to make such a mess [06:27] Ubuntu derivatives normally aren't that light to begin with :P [06:28] ty guys [06:28] Trixar_za i gotta try stay ubuntu loyal [06:29] dont want to break away completely [06:30] ill even give unity another go in 2016 [06:55] good mornings [06:58] 'lo inetpro [07:02] morning inetpro bduk1 [07:03] I'm still hooked on Mint [07:04] the ONLY issue I have [07:04] and it annoys me [07:04] is I can't put panels on my second monitor [07:04] More almal [07:10] Squirm: why would you want panels on the 2nd monitor? [07:10] * inetpro just wondering [07:11] How can you possibly want something different from me?!?!?! omg!?!? [07:11] :P [07:11] in Mint MATE/Gnome 2, you can actually have your window list on your new panel, it then seperates them [07:12] so I see my open windows for Monitor 1 on Monitor 1 [07:12] and open windows for monitor 2 on monitor 2 [07:12] less clutter [07:12] easier to look for [07:12] I have a 40" TV as my 2nd monitor, so there's a bit of a head movement everytime I need to switch windows [07:14] lol [07:19] morning [07:19] Maaz: coffee on [07:19] * Maaz flips the salt-timer [07:21] hi Spekko [07:23] Coffee's ready for charl! [07:24] hi charl [07:24] * Kilos missed coffee time [07:26] kahviaika [07:26] anyone use telkom mobile? [07:26] in general, not just for data i mean [07:26] hi Kilos, Spekko, ThatGraemeGuy [07:28] yip me ThatGraemeGuy [07:29] oh whats for general mean [07:29] calls and sms too [07:29] ya my sis and i [07:29] no complaints? [07:29] yet another bash patch this morning i see [07:29] she has telkom sim in second fone [07:29] nope [07:29] Hi charl, hello Kilos [07:30] :) [07:30] you will also find their help centre much more efficient ThatGraemeGuy [07:30] i'm tempted, slightly better rates than mtn in general, and if the wife also moves then calls between us are only 29c/min [07:30] and i make most of my calls to her [07:31] then thats the way to go [07:31] dunno about there but here telkom is much more stable than mtn anyway [07:32] telkom sms bundles are a bit stupid though. standard rate for SMS is 29c, if you buy the cheaper bundles it actually works out more expensive [07:32] i have a mtn fone that i keep off most of the time because of constand messages that give info on some % of stuff [07:33] sims are cheap man , try it and drop it if you arent happy [07:35] what does this mean [07:35] http://mybroadband.co.za/news/internet/111696-telkom-internet-offers-free-dynamic-dns.html [07:36] oh that's if you want to run a server at home Kilos [07:36] Kilos: if you are with telkom internet you can now get a DNS name that will always point to your ADSL IP [07:36] not relevant to you [07:37] you can get a domain name with it? [07:37] no [07:37] for free? [07:37] oh [07:37] well you probably will get a subdomain for free under one of telkom's domains Kilos [07:37] it'll likely be something like qw4243e11.telkomadsl.net or somesuch thing [07:37] but nothing "nice" probably [07:38] its not relevant to you anyway, Telkom Internet != Telkom Mobile [07:38] domains are dirt cheap anyway if you really wanted one [07:39] you can still get free domains under .za.net and .za.org afaik [07:39] not anymore [07:39] ah, they stopped that service ? [07:39] ya i saw with ian and hetzner [07:39] those are stopped charl [07:39] yeah the idea behind that originally was that domains were pretty expensive, and now they are dirt cheap so no sense doing it anymore [07:39] silly reasoning imho but meh [07:40] they still service changes to existing domains just don't accept new registrations [07:40] ah indeed, za nic stopped functioning [07:40] just read the announcement on the page [07:41] ians site there with hetzner is lekker fast [07:41] that's because we are the best :P [07:41] looks like [07:42] pity all sites dont open as fast, that would make browsing a pleasure [07:42] i was in the galo manor data center of hetzner once, it was freeeeeezing cold [07:43] that's MTN's facility, we moved out there about a year ago [07:43] hideous place [07:56] indeed [08:02] back then it still belonged to verizon [08:03] dunno who it belonged to originally, maybe uunet before verizon bought them [08:10] probably [08:32] hi gremble [09:28] hi gremble [09:58] hi drussell hows things in the uk? [09:58] or you galivanting again [09:58] Kilos: hehe nope I'm in the UK for a change :oD [09:58] haha [09:58] Kilos: things are good, how about you? [09:58] good ty [10:30] hmm... [12:54] hi all [12:56] hoi theblazehen [12:56] hey charl, anything interesting happen lately? [12:57] depends on what you define as interesting [12:57] i got a raspberry pi [12:57] and am looking at buying a tv now [12:58] and busy helping my mom with some stuff [12:58] you? [13:07] RPi is cool [13:07] have RaspBMC running on mine [13:07] streams 1080p from my dsktop PC perfectly well [13:07] had to use NFS though, Samba would stream well enough, but only files up to about 6Gb/7Gb big. I can stream 15Gb through NFS [13:13] hi theblazehen [13:14] hi JabberwockyA19 [13:15] hey Kilos! :) [13:16] ek het getrek, weer adsl gekry dan trek ek weer in desemeber >.< [13:18] ai! [13:18] trek na n plek wat klaar adsl het ma [13:19] man [13:19] of sommer ftth [13:19] hi Kilos [13:19] charl: nice, not much happening here. Just school, etc [13:19] ah [13:20] Squirm: does it do mkv? [13:24] theblazehen: yes [13:24] managed to stream 3D mkv files [13:25] Squirm: nice, ty. Was thinking of getting one for media too [13:25] theblazehen: RaspBMC is XBMC modified a bit [13:25] kk [13:25] so if you have an old PC, XBMC will work like a charm [13:25] then I use an Android app for the XBMC remote, it's called Yatse [13:25] free [14:00] Squirm: yatse better than the official remote? [14:01] it is [14:01] well i haven't used the official remote in a while, but at the time i switched it was better [14:01] although i mostly use a mini keyboard [14:02] http://www.takealot.com/rii-mini-i8-multimedia-wireless-keyboard/PLID20571695 that sort of thing [14:03] yes it is [14:03] Yatse is much better [14:04] I also bough the Upgrade for it, I can stream to/from my phone now... [14:04] :P [14:04] was cheap anyway [14:48] afaik RaspBMC is not xbmc modified, it is a linux distro built around xbmc, a bit like openelec [14:48] correct me if i'm wrong though [14:55] what do you guys say about Google dropping ext2/3/4 as a filesystem on the chromebook? [14:57] https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=315401 [15:06] charl: Yes... When I say modified, I mean the distro has been modified [15:06] stripped down [15:06] made lighter [15:07] and they use a very basic theme to start with [17:10] inetpro: unnecessary features ?! what kind of crack have they been smoking [17:33] haha [17:34] Maaz seen superfly [17:34] Kilos: superfly was last seen 5 days, 3 hours, 56 minutes and 40 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2014-10-08 06:37:43 PDT], and has been online on freenode since 2014-10-07 22:32:54 PDT [17:34] oh my [17:38] hi Private_User [17:38] hi Kilos [17:39] * Kilos forgets the lame command [17:41] lol [17:41] lame command? [17:42] he wants to blame superfly for being lame i think :P [17:42] Maaz nickometer Private_User [17:42] lol [17:42] Kilos: Private_User is 14.4% lame [17:42] LOL [17:42] i forgot nickometer [17:42] Maaz: nickometer Kilos [17:42] Private_User: Kilos is 0.0% lame [17:43] LOL [17:43] Maaz: nickometer charl [17:43] charl: charl is 0.0% lame [17:43] how come I am lame [17:43] its the _ [17:43] he dont like them things [17:43] Maaz: help nickometer [17:43] charl: Calculates how lame a nick is. You can use it like this: [17:43] nickometer [] [with reasons] [17:44] based off which criteria... we don't know, a case of RTFS [17:45] Maaz: nickometer Private_User reason [17:45] Maaz nickometer Private_User reasons [17:45] lol [17:45] Private_User: Private_User reason is 25.6% lame [17:45] Kilos: Private_User reasons is 80.1% lame [17:45] sjoe [17:45] Maaz: nickometer charl because i suck [17:45] charl: charl because i suck is 69.4% lame [17:45] Maaz: nickometer Private_User [17:45] Private_User: Private_User is 14.4% lame [17:45] i think it's broken [17:46] no man [17:46] we just gotta find how to type the reasons bit in [17:46] Maaz nickometer Private_User with reasons [17:46] Kilos: Private_User is 14.4% lame [17:46] Kilos: Because: 1 extraneous symbols (62.8852045282) [17:47] ah now i get it [17:47] Maaz: nickometer Private_User I as a BOT [17:47] Private_User: Private_User I as a BOT is 99.92% lame [17:47] LOL [17:47] the with reasons is not your own reasons it's literally the string "with reasons" [17:47] i also misunderstood it [17:48] Maaz: nickometer charl with reasons [17:48] charl: charl is 0.0% lame [17:48] charl: Because: A good, traditional nick (0) [17:48] yeah I figured but now its sounds like Maaz is calling itself 99.92% lame [17:48] Maaz nickometer Kilos with reasons [17:48] Kilos: Kilos is 0.0% lame [17:48] Kilos: Because: A good, traditional nick (0) [17:48] look look :D [17:48] haha [17:48] lol [17:49] we are good and traditional Kilos not lame at all, there you go [17:49] :) [17:49] I think thats lame [17:49] lol [17:49] ya [17:49] you need to be different [17:50] unique per say [17:50] ;) [17:50] i am very different [17:50] hehe [17:50] i always need help [17:50] I think my 3G will be expiring tomorrow [17:51] hmm... [17:51] why? [17:51] its been 12 months I think [17:51] yes 12 months tomorrow [17:51] you on contract? [17:51] I wrote the date when I first activated it [17:51] its a prepaid 12 month contract [17:52] oi [17:52] so once off payment I got 150GB Nite Data and 50GB Normal Data [17:52] valid for 12 months [17:53] sjoe so much [17:53] ha I even wrote the time I activated the SIM 21:00 14/10/2013 [17:53] that's pretty decent for mobile data [17:53] but I am glad it lasted me [17:54] I was afraid I might have finished it before the 12months were over [17:54] haha [17:55] now you gotta get as much before midnight [17:55] yeah good thinking [17:55] new haswell cpus are fast it seems [17:55] Xeon E5 leaping across long list of compute-intensive challenges. [17:55] let me see what I can download since I have quite a bit of data left [17:56] i've heard good things about haswell [17:56] ya use what you can [17:58] I have 10,728.66MB of peak data and 81,621.95MB of midnight data [17:58] queue downloads Private_User, make a shell script with wgets and run them one after the other [17:59] i used to do that [17:59] lol [17:59] sounds like a plan only question is do i have the hdd space [17:59] ah [18:00] connect an external man what is this :P [18:01] lol [18:06] not enough time to use all that data with a voda connection [18:07] ohi superfly wb, hows family? [18:07] hi Kilos, they're fine thanks [18:08] good [18:11] I am on CellC Kilos, but yeah I could have done lots of downloading and data usage but we did not have power here only got back like 2 hours ago [18:11] and last week we did not have power for like3 days [18:12] eish [18:12] yeah see like it took them 3 days to figure out somebody cut one of the power cable poles and the cables snapped [18:12] and yet when the fault was reported they said it was a transformer that blew [18:13] hey superfly [18:13] lol [18:13] hi charl [18:13] hi superfly [18:13] hi Private_User [18:14] good evening [18:14] hi magespawn [18:15] evening magespawn [18:15] hi magespawn [18:15] how are you doing [18:15] good and you charl ? [18:16] good good [18:16] hi Kilos Private_User [18:27] phew [18:27] hi ThatGraemeGuy [18:27] what? [18:27] 3g again? [18:27] so my internetlessness is thanks to my local copper liberation organisation reportedly [18:27] lol [18:27] and my MTN EDGE is insanely slow for some reason [18:28] does your 3g connect automatically? [18:28] hah had to read that twice [18:28] edge is slow [18:28] like so bad even DNS lookups don't complete [18:28] sjoe [18:28] answer man [18:28] i popped my tablet's SIM in to my mifi box so at least we have some connectivity [18:29] got EDGE on MTN, HSPA+ on cellc :-o [18:29] oh you go with wifi [18:29] @$%^# you MTN [18:29] lol [18:29] mtn always has sucked [18:29] go telkom mobile [18:30] good evening [18:30] i think i must get a telkom sim for testing [18:30] even get their d-link 157 modem thats a faster one than mine [18:30] let me and the wife use it for a week each [18:30] if its ok then i'll port my number [18:31] the 157 can do around 23mb/s [18:31] ThatGraemeGuy: only issue is coverage, if you're out of the city [18:31] I know here in Mooi River Telkom Mobile doesn't really work... [18:31] i'm on the edge of civilisation [18:31] that should be fine [18:31] i'm on the back side of a hill, with more view of farmlands and mountains than of table mountain [18:32] not when you travel to a place like this they call a "town" [18:32] they got a good coverage map and you can just fone and talk to them and give your addy and they tell you presactly what you can expect [18:32] Kilos: it's all on their website [18:32] if I go not even a km from my house I get HSPA+ on mtn [18:32] but not on this side of the hill [18:32] eish [18:32] i couldn't get telkom's coverage map to load all day [18:32] move closer [18:32] hehe [18:32] the map loads but not the colour overlay [18:33] yeah, I get Vodacom HSPA+ here, at home(which is one side of the campus). When I get to my office, on the other side of the hill... No reception what so oever [18:33] but the WiFi makes up for it :P [18:34] they do load [18:34] umm [18:34] untick and retick [18:35] urgh [18:35] ok i spoke too soon [18:35] cell c not much better [18:36] everybody's ADSL has died and now the cell towers are meltin [18:36] +g [18:37] sjoe [18:43] ai! [18:44] wat nou inetpro ? [18:44] these mobile companies having way too much leeway [18:44] ya [18:46] was in the rurals this weekend again and signal has still not improved in any way [18:46] in fact seems to have gotten worse [18:46] eish [18:46] they only care about areas with many peeps in [18:47] i even had to use a yagi to get mtn signal when i was still onna farm in rustenburg [18:49] I feel so sorry for family and friends who also want to use the latest and greatest mobile phones only to find extreme useless signal [18:50] such a shame [18:54] ya [18:56] inetpro you can look into them using yagis [18:57] dunno if mod fones have place to plugin but [18:57] jaja but it shouldn't be necessary man [18:57] our telecoms industry sucks [18:57] ya man but you think they gonna worry about 5 peeps [18:57] i'm sorry to break this to you but even in europe there are many blind spots [18:58] complain on twitter to the ceos [18:58] you get some places great signal and other places it blows [18:58] charl: but you don't have cable theft like we do [18:58] yes that's true, we're not dependent on it [18:58] those peeps need to be rich so they can use satelite [18:58] in europe mobile phone internet is only for when you're on the road, in the train etc [18:59] sattelite is not a good solution [18:59] not for when you're at home, *everybody* has fast landline access with local wifi [18:59] well, almost everybody in any case [19:00] weird. minetest doesn't connect at all [19:04] Symmetria: what's the average cost per km to lay fiber these days? [19:10] inetpro what is wrong with satellite? [19:10] expensive [19:11] apart from the cost [19:11] no [19:11] and latency [19:11] latency [19:11] bad latency is better than no connection [19:12] it's not that expensive [19:12] for the fibre itself [19:13] fibre is cheap it costs a lot of money to dig up the place [19:14] that's why they have it quicker in the countryside than in the cities [19:14] all that brick and tar etc you have to dig up and later fill and repair [19:14] the cost of the fibre itself is negligable by comparison [19:15] lots of human labour involved and that's expensive outside the raw materials and special equipment [19:15] to put down the infrastructure costs a lot of money, once that is done it's cheap to provide the service [19:22] charl, i would have thought in the cities, at least the big ones, there would be plenty of conduit and piping that you could reuse [19:23] Kilos: latency is particularly troublesome for online gaming [19:24] lol [19:24] i know about that [19:25] inetpro mtn is offering a ftth thing [19:25] even for normal internet usage there is a noticeable delay between the moment a user clicks on something and the moment in which the user sees the result [19:25] you could get an idea of costs from them maybe [19:26] * Kilos thinks fibre is out of reach to Aall rural peeps [19:27] Kilos: it shouldn't be out of reach [19:27] magespawn: indeed, i would assume the same, but apparently most cities in europe have grown out over the years without proper planning [19:27] ya but it is [19:27] charl, i see [19:27] have you seen the costs per hour for a trench diggin machine [19:28] thousands per hour [19:28] exactly [19:28] and you need the necessary permits and the repair afterwards [19:28] digging the trench is only half or perhaps a third of the cost [19:28] with proper planning it should be possible to deliver fibre as a service over a long run rather than as a business to make lots of money over a short period [19:29] mtn is doing ftth, now you can get about 100Mbps with 100GB for R1300 odd rand a month, but only in a few limited places [19:29] what's the point if you only have 100gb [19:29] might as well forget about it, it kills it before it even starts [19:29] i download 50gb in a day [19:30]