[04:30] <Kilos> morning peeps. today im a bit earlier
[04:47] <Kilos> hi Tonberry  you early too
[04:47] <Tonberry> hi
[05:11] <Kilos> hmm... graeme not here today
[05:33] <Kilos> Maaz  cremora
[05:33] <Maaz> It's not inside Twit. It's on TOP
[06:04] <Squirm> morning all
[06:04] <Kilos> wb ThatGraemeGuy  
[06:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning
[06:07] <Kilos> hi Squirm  
[06:20] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy  did you put xfce on a kubuntu install or xfce straight?
[06:21] <Kilos> i would like to try it again but dont want to mess up a working kde, just looking for something lighter
[06:21] <ThatGraemeGuy> xubuntu
[06:21] <ThatGraemeGuy> you can just install the xfce-desktop virtual package but i prefer not to make such a mess
[06:27] <Trixar_za> Ubuntu derivatives normally aren't that light to begin with :P
[06:28] <Kilos> ty guys
[06:28] <Kilos> Trixar_za  i gotta try stay ubuntu loyal 
[06:29] <Kilos> dont want to break away completely
[06:30] <Kilos> ill even give unity another go in 2016
[06:55] <inetpro> good mornings
[06:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'lo inetpro 
[07:02] <Kilos> morning inetpro  bduk1  
[07:03] <Squirm> I'm still hooked on Mint
[07:04] <Squirm> the ONLY issue I have
[07:04] <Squirm> and it annoys me
[07:04] <Squirm> is I can't put panels on my second monitor
[07:04] <bduk1> More almal
[07:10] <inetpro> Squirm: why would you want panels on the 2nd monitor?
[07:10]  * inetpro just wondering
[07:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> How can you possibly want something different from me?!?!?! omg!?!?
[07:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> :P
[07:11] <Squirm> in Mint MATE/Gnome 2, you can actually have your window list on your new panel, it then seperates them
[07:12] <Squirm> so I see my open windows for Monitor 1 on Monitor 1
[07:12] <Squirm> and open windows for monitor 2 on monitor 2
[07:12] <Squirm> less clutter
[07:12] <Squirm> easier to look for
[07:12] <Squirm> I have a 40" TV as my 2nd monitor, so there's a bit of a head movement everytime I need to switch windows
[07:14] <Kilos> lol
[07:19] <charl> morning
[07:19] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[07:19]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[07:21] <Kilos> hi Spekko  
[07:23] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[07:24] <Kilos> hi charl  
[07:24]  * Kilos missed coffee time
[07:26] <charl> kahviaika
[07:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> anyone use telkom mobile?
[07:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> in general, not just for data i mean
[07:26] <charl> hi Kilos, Spekko, ThatGraemeGuy 
[07:28] <Kilos> yip me ThatGraemeGuy  
[07:29] <Kilos> oh whats for general mean
[07:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> calls and sms too
[07:29] <Kilos> ya my sis and i
[07:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> no complaints?
[07:29] <charl> yet another bash patch this morning i see
[07:29] <Kilos> she has telkom sim in second fone
[07:29] <Kilos> nope
[07:29] <Spekko> Hi charl, hello Kilos
[07:30] <charl> :)
[07:30] <Kilos> you will also find their help centre much more efficient ThatGraemeGuy  
[07:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> i'm tempted, slightly better rates than mtn in general, and if the wife also moves then calls between us are only 29c/min
[07:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> and i make most of my calls to her
[07:31] <Kilos> then thats the way to go
[07:31] <Kilos> dunno about there but here telkom is much more stable than mtn anyway
[07:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> telkom sms bundles are a bit stupid though. standard rate for SMS is 29c, if you buy the cheaper bundles it actually works out more expensive
[07:32] <Kilos> i have a mtn fone that i keep off most of the time because of constand messages that give info on some % of stuff
[07:33] <Kilos> sims are cheap man , try it and drop it if you arent happy
[07:35] <Kilos> what does this mean
[07:35] <Kilos> http://mybroadband.co.za/news/internet/111696-telkom-internet-offers-free-dynamic-dns.html
[07:36] <charl> oh that's if you want to run a server at home Kilos 
[07:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: if you are with telkom internet you can now get a DNS name that will always point to your ADSL IP
[07:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> not relevant to you
[07:37] <Kilos> you can get a domain name with it?
[07:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> no
[07:37] <Kilos> for free?
[07:37] <Kilos> oh
[07:37] <charl> well you probably will get a subdomain for free under one of telkom's domains Kilos 
[07:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> it'll likely be something like qw4243e11.telkomadsl.net or somesuch thing
[07:37] <charl> but nothing "nice" probably
[07:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> its not relevant to you anyway, Telkom Internet != Telkom Mobile
[07:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> domains are dirt cheap anyway if you really wanted one
[07:39] <charl> you can still get free domains under .za.net and .za.org afaik
[07:39] <ThatGraemeGuy> not anymore
[07:39] <charl> ah, they stopped that service ?
[07:39] <Kilos> ya i saw with ian and hetzner
[07:39] <Kilos> those are stopped charl  
[07:39] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah the idea behind that originally was that domains were pretty expensive, and now they are dirt cheap so no sense doing it anymore
[07:39] <ThatGraemeGuy> silly reasoning imho but meh
[07:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> they still service changes to existing domains just don't accept new registrations
[07:40] <charl> ah indeed, za nic stopped functioning
[07:40] <charl> just read the announcement on the page
[07:41] <Kilos> ians site there with hetzner is lekker fast
[07:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> that's because we are the best :P
[07:41] <Kilos> looks like
[07:42] <Kilos> pity all sites dont open as fast, that would make browsing a pleasure
[07:42] <charl> i was in the galo manor data center of hetzner once, it was freeeeeezing cold
[07:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> that's MTN's facility, we moved out there about a year ago
[07:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> hideous place
[07:56] <charl> indeed
[08:02] <charl> back then it still belonged to verizon
[08:03] <charl> dunno who it belonged to originally, maybe uunet before verizon bought them
[08:10] <ThatGraemeGuy> probably
[08:32] <Kilos> hi gremble  
[09:28] <charl> hi gremble 
[09:58] <Kilos> hi drussell  hows things in the uk?
[09:58] <Kilos> or you galivanting again
[09:58] <drussell> Kilos: hehe nope I'm in the UK for a change :oD
[09:58] <Kilos> haha
[09:58] <drussell> Kilos: things are good, how about you?
[09:58] <Kilos> good ty
[10:30] <Kilos> hmm...
[12:54] <theblazehen> hi all
[12:56] <charl> hoi theblazehen 
[12:56] <theblazehen> hey charl, anything interesting happen lately?
[12:57] <charl> depends on what you define as interesting
[12:57] <charl> i got a raspberry pi
[12:57] <charl> and am looking at buying a tv now
[12:58] <charl> and busy helping my mom with some stuff
[12:58] <charl> you?
[13:07] <Squirm> RPi is cool
[13:07] <Squirm> have RaspBMC running on mine
[13:07] <Squirm> streams 1080p from my dsktop PC perfectly well
[13:07] <Squirm> had to use NFS though, Samba would stream well enough, but only files up to about 6Gb/7Gb big. I can stream 15Gb through NFS
[13:13] <Kilos> hi theblazehen  
[13:14] <Kilos> hi JabberwockyA19  
[13:15] <JabberwockyA19> hey Kilos! :)
[13:16] <JabberwockyA19> ek het getrek, weer adsl gekry dan trek ek weer in desemeber >.<
[13:18] <Kilos> ai!
[13:18] <Kilos> trek na n plek wat klaar adsl het ma
[13:19] <Kilos> man
[13:19] <Kilos> of sommer ftth
[13:19] <theblazehen> hi Kilos
[13:19] <theblazehen> charl: nice, not much happening here. Just school, etc
[13:19] <charl> ah
[13:20] <theblazehen> Squirm: does it do mkv?
[13:24] <Squirm> theblazehen: yes
[13:24] <Squirm> managed to stream 3D mkv files
[13:25] <theblazehen> Squirm: nice, ty. Was thinking of getting one for media too
[13:25] <Squirm> theblazehen: RaspBMC is XBMC modified a bit
[13:25] <theblazehen> kk
[13:25] <Squirm> so if you have an old PC, XBMC will work like a charm
[13:25] <Squirm> then I use an Android app for the XBMC remote, it's called Yatse
[13:25] <Squirm> free
[14:00] <theblazehen> Squirm: yatse better than the official remote?
[14:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> it is
[14:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> well i haven't used the official remote in a while, but at the time i switched it was better
[14:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> although i mostly use a mini keyboard
[14:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://www.takealot.com/rii-mini-i8-multimedia-wireless-keyboard/PLID20571695 that sort of thing
[14:03] <Squirm> yes it is
[14:03] <Squirm> Yatse is much better
[14:04] <Squirm> I also bough the Upgrade for it, I can stream to/from my phone now...
[14:04] <Squirm> :P
[14:04] <Squirm> was cheap anyway
[14:48] <charl> afaik RaspBMC is not xbmc modified, it is a linux distro built around xbmc, a bit like openelec
[14:48] <charl> correct me if i'm wrong though
[14:55] <inetpro> what do you guys say about Google dropping ext2/3/4 as a filesystem on the chromebook?
[14:57] <inetpro> https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=315401
[15:06] <Squirm> charl: Yes... When I say modified, I mean the distro has been modified
[15:06] <Squirm> stripped down
[15:06] <Squirm> made lighter
[15:07] <Squirm> and they use a very basic theme to start with
[17:10] <charl> inetpro: unnecessary features ?! what kind of crack have they been smoking
[17:33] <Kilos> haha
[17:34] <Kilos> Maaz  seen superfly  
[17:34] <Maaz> Kilos: superfly was last seen 5 days, 3 hours, 56 minutes and 40 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2014-10-08 06:37:43 PDT], and has been online on freenode since 2014-10-07 22:32:54 PDT
[17:34] <Kilos> oh my
[17:38] <Kilos> hi Private_User  
[17:38] <Private_User> hi Kilos
[17:39]  * Kilos forgets the lame command
[17:41] <Private_User> lol
[17:41] <Private_User> lame command?
[17:42] <charl> he wants to blame superfly for being lame i think :P
[17:42] <Kilos> Maaz  nickometer Private_User  
[17:42] <Private_User> lol
[17:42] <Maaz> Kilos: Private_User is 14.4% lame
[17:42] <Private_User> LOL
[17:42] <Kilos> i forgot nickometer
[17:42] <Private_User> Maaz: nickometer Kilos
[17:42] <Maaz> Private_User: Kilos is 0.0% lame
[17:43] <Private_User> LOL
[17:43] <charl> Maaz: nickometer charl
[17:43] <Maaz> charl: charl is 0.0% lame
[17:43] <Private_User> how come I am lame
[17:43] <Kilos> its the _
[17:43] <Kilos> he dont like them things
[17:43] <charl> Maaz: help nickometer
[17:43] <Maaz> charl: Calculates how lame a nick is. You can use it like this:
[17:43] <Maaz>   nickometer [<nick>] [with reasons]
[17:44] <charl> based off which criteria... we don't know, a case of RTFS
[17:45] <Private_User> Maaz: nickometer Private_User reason
[17:45] <Kilos> Maaz  nickometer Private_User  reasons
[17:45] <Private_User> lol
[17:45] <Maaz> Private_User: Private_User reason is 25.6% lame
[17:45] <Maaz> Kilos: Private_User  reasons is 80.1% lame
[17:45] <Kilos> sjoe
[17:45] <charl> Maaz: nickometer charl because i suck
[17:45] <Maaz> charl: charl because i suck is 69.4% lame
[17:45] <Private_User> Maaz: nickometer Private_User
[17:45] <Maaz> Private_User: Private_User is 14.4% lame
[17:45] <charl> i think it's broken
[17:46] <Kilos> no man
[17:46] <Kilos> we just gotta find how to type the reasons bit in
[17:46] <Kilos> Maaz  nickometer Private_User  with reasons
[17:46] <Maaz> Kilos: Private_User is 14.4% lame
[17:46] <Maaz> Kilos: Because: 1 extraneous symbols (62.8852045282)
[17:47] <charl> ah now i get it
[17:47] <Private_User> Maaz: nickometer Private_User I as a BOT
[17:47] <Maaz> Private_User: Private_User I as a BOT is 99.92% lame
[17:47] <Private_User> LOL
[17:47] <charl> the with reasons is not your own reasons it's literally the string "with reasons"
[17:47] <charl> i also misunderstood it
[17:48] <charl> Maaz: nickometer charl with reasons
[17:48] <Maaz> charl: charl is 0.0% lame
[17:48] <Maaz> charl: Because: A good, traditional nick (0)
[17:48] <Private_User> yeah I figured but now its sounds like Maaz is calling itself 99.92% lame
[17:48] <Kilos> Maaz  nickometer Kilos with reasons
[17:48] <Maaz> Kilos: Kilos is 0.0% lame
[17:48] <Maaz> Kilos: Because: A good, traditional nick (0)
[17:48] <charl> look look :D
[17:48] <Kilos> haha
[17:48] <charl> lol
[17:49] <charl> we are good and traditional Kilos not lame at all, there you go
[17:49] <charl> :)
[17:49] <Private_User> I think thats lame
[17:49] <Private_User> lol
[17:49] <Kilos> ya
[17:49] <Private_User> you need to be different
[17:50] <Private_User> unique per say
[17:50] <Private_User> ;)
[17:50] <Kilos> i am very different
[17:50] <Private_User> hehe
[17:50] <Kilos> i always need help
[17:50] <Private_User> I think my 3G will be expiring tomorrow
[17:51] <Private_User> hmm...
[17:51] <Kilos> why?
[17:51] <Private_User> its been 12 months I think
[17:51] <Private_User> yes 12 months tomorrow
[17:51] <Kilos> you on contract?
[17:51] <Private_User> I wrote the date when I first activated it
[17:51] <Private_User> its a prepaid 12 month contract
[17:52] <Kilos> oi
[17:52] <Private_User> so once off payment I got 150GB Nite Data and 50GB Normal Data
[17:52] <Private_User> valid for 12 months
[17:53] <Kilos> sjoe so much
[17:53] <Private_User> ha I even wrote the time I activated the SIM 21:00 14/10/2013
[17:53] <charl> that's pretty decent for mobile data
[17:53] <Private_User> but I am glad it lasted me
[17:54] <Private_User> I was afraid I might have finished it before the 12months were over
[17:54] <Kilos> haha
[17:55] <Kilos> now you gotta get as much before midnight
[17:55] <Private_User> yeah good thinking
[17:55] <Kilos> new haswell cpus are fast it seems
[17:55] <Kilos> Xeon E5 leaping across long list of compute-intensive challenges.
[17:55] <Private_User> let me see what I can download since I have quite a bit of data left
[17:56] <charl> i've heard good things about haswell
[17:56] <Kilos> ya use what you can
[17:58] <Private_User> I have 10,728.66MB of peak data and 81,621.95MB of midnight data
[17:58] <charl> queue downloads Private_User, make a shell script with wgets and run them one after the other
[17:59] <charl> i used to do that
[17:59] <Kilos> lol
[17:59] <Private_User> sounds like a plan only question is do i have the hdd space
[17:59] <charl> ah
[18:00] <charl> connect an external man what is this :P
[18:01] <Private_User> lol
[18:06] <Kilos> not enough time to use all that data with a voda connection
[18:07] <Kilos> ohi superfly  wb, hows family?
[18:07] <superfly> hi Kilos, they're fine thanks
[18:08] <Kilos> good
[18:11] <Private_User> I am on CellC Kilos, but yeah I could have done lots of downloading and data usage but we did not have power here only got back like 2 hours ago
[18:11] <Private_User> and last week we did not have power for like3 days
[18:12] <Kilos> eish
[18:12] <Private_User> yeah see like it took them 3 days to figure out somebody cut one of the power cable poles and the cables snapped
[18:12] <Private_User> and yet when the fault was reported they said it was a transformer that blew
[18:13] <charl> hey superfly 
[18:13] <Private_User> lol
[18:13] <superfly> hi charl
[18:13] <Private_User> hi superfly
[18:13] <superfly> hi Private_User
[18:14] <magespawn> good evening
[18:14] <Kilos> hi magespawn  
[18:15] <Private_User> evening magespawn
[18:15] <charl> hi magespawn 
[18:15] <charl> how are you doing
[18:15] <magespawn> good and you charl ?
[18:16] <charl> good good
[18:16] <magespawn> hi Kilos Private_User 
[18:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> phew
[18:27] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy  
[18:27] <Kilos> what?
[18:27] <Kilos> 3g again?
[18:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> so my internetlessness is thanks to my local copper liberation organisation reportedly
[18:27] <Kilos> lol
[18:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> and my MTN EDGE is insanely slow for some reason
[18:28] <Kilos> does your 3g connect automatically?
[18:28] <magespawn> hah had to read that twice
[18:28] <Kilos> edge is slow
[18:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> like so bad even DNS lookups don't complete
[18:28] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:28] <Kilos> answer man
[18:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> i popped my tablet's SIM in to my mifi box so at least we have some connectivity
[18:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> got EDGE on MTN, HSPA+ on cellc :-o
[18:29] <Kilos> oh you go with wifi
[18:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> @$%^# you MTN
[18:29] <Kilos> lol
[18:29] <Kilos> mtn always has sucked
[18:29] <Kilos> go telkom mobile
[18:30] <Squirm> good evening
[18:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> i think i must get a telkom sim for testing
[18:30] <Kilos> even get their d-link 157 modem thats a faster one than mine
[18:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> let me and the wife use it for a week each
[18:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> if its ok then i'll port my number
[18:31] <Kilos> the 157 can do around 23mb/s
[18:31] <Squirm> ThatGraemeGuy: only issue is coverage, if you're out of the city
[18:31] <Squirm> I know here in Mooi River Telkom Mobile doesn't really work...
[18:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> i'm on the edge of civilisation
[18:31] <Squirm> that should be fine
[18:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> i'm on the back side of a hill, with more view of farmlands and mountains than of table mountain
[18:32] <Squirm> not when you travel to a place like this they call a "town"
[18:32] <Kilos> they got a good coverage map and you can just fone and talk to them and give your addy and they tell you presactly what you can expect
[18:32] <Squirm> Kilos: it's all on their website
[18:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> if I go not even a km from my house I get HSPA+ on mtn
[18:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> but not on this side of the hill
[18:32] <Kilos> eish
[18:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> i couldn't get telkom's coverage map to load all day
[18:32] <Kilos> move closer
[18:32] <Kilos> hehe
[18:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> the map loads but not the colour overlay
[18:33] <Squirm> yeah, I get Vodacom HSPA+ here, at home(which is one side of the campus). When I get to my office, on the other side of the hill... No reception what so oever
[18:33] <Squirm> but the WiFi makes up for it :P
[18:34] <Squirm> they do load
[18:34] <Squirm> umm
[18:34] <Squirm> untick and retick
[18:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> urgh
[18:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> ok i spoke too soon
[18:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> cell c not much better
[18:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> everybody's ADSL has died and now the cell towers are meltin
[18:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> +g
[18:37] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:43] <inetpro> ai!
[18:44] <Kilos> wat nou inetpro  ?
[18:44] <inetpro> these mobile companies having way too much leeway 
[18:44] <Kilos> ya
[18:46] <inetpro> was in the rurals this weekend again and signal has still not improved in any way
[18:46] <inetpro> in fact seems to have gotten worse
[18:46] <Kilos> eish
[18:46] <Kilos> they only care about areas with many peeps in
[18:47] <Kilos> i even had to use a yagi to get mtn signal when i was still onna farm in rustenburg
[18:49] <inetpro> I feel so sorry for family and friends who also want to use the latest and greatest mobile phones only to find extreme useless signal 
[18:50] <inetpro> such a shame
[18:54] <Kilos> ya
[18:56] <Kilos> inetpro  you can look into them using yagis
[18:57] <Kilos> dunno if mod fones have place to plugin but
[18:57] <inetpro> jaja but it shouldn't be necessary man
[18:57] <inetpro> our telecoms industry sucks
[18:57] <Kilos> ya man but you think they gonna worry about 5 peeps
[18:57] <charl> i'm sorry to break this to you but even in europe there are many blind spots
[18:58] <Kilos> complain on twitter to the ceos
[18:58] <charl> you get some places great signal and other places it blows
[18:58] <inetpro> charl: but you don't have cable theft like we do
[18:58] <charl> yes that's true, we're not dependent on it
[18:58] <Kilos> those peeps need to be rich so they can use satelite
[18:58] <charl> in europe mobile phone internet is only for when you're on the road, in the train etc
[18:59] <inetpro> sattelite is not a good solution
[18:59] <charl> not for when you're at home, *everybody* has fast landline access with local wifi
[18:59] <charl> well, almost everybody in any case
[19:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> weird. minetest doesn't connect at all
[19:04] <inetpro> Symmetria: what's the average cost per km to lay fiber these days?
[19:10] <magespawn> inetpro what is wrong with satellite?
[19:10] <Kilos> expensive
[19:11] <magespawn> apart from the cost
[19:11] <inetpro> no
[19:11] <Kilos> and latency
[19:11] <inetpro> latency
[19:11] <Kilos> bad latency is better than no connection
[19:12] <Squirm> it's not that expensive
[19:12] <Squirm> for the fibre itself
[19:13] <charl> fibre is cheap it costs a lot of money to dig up the place
[19:14] <charl> that's why they have it quicker in the countryside than in the cities
[19:14] <charl> all that brick and tar etc you have to dig up and later fill and repair
[19:14] <charl> the cost of the fibre itself is negligable by comparison
[19:15] <charl> lots of human labour involved and that's expensive outside the raw materials and special equipment
[19:15] <charl> to put down the infrastructure costs a lot of money, once that is done it's cheap to provide the service
[19:22] <magespawn> charl, i would have thought in the cities, at least the big ones, there would be plenty of conduit and piping that you could reuse
[19:23] <inetpro> Kilos: latency is particularly troublesome for online gaming
[19:24] <Kilos> lol
[19:24] <Kilos> i know about that
[19:25] <Kilos> inetpro  mtn is offering a ftth thing
[19:25] <inetpro> even for normal internet usage there is a noticeable delay between the moment a user clicks on something and the moment in which the user sees the result
[19:25] <Kilos> you could get an idea of costs from them maybe
[19:26]  * Kilos thinks fibre is out of reach to Aall rural peeps
[19:27] <inetpro> Kilos: it shouldn't be out of reach
[19:27] <charl> magespawn: indeed, i would assume the same, but apparently most cities in europe have grown out over the years without proper planning
[19:27] <Kilos> ya but it is
[19:27] <magespawn> charl, i see
[19:27] <Kilos> have you seen the costs per hour for a trench diggin machine
[19:28] <Kilos> thousands per hour
[19:28] <charl> exactly
[19:28] <charl> and you need the necessary permits and the repair afterwards
[19:28] <charl> digging the trench is only half or perhaps a third of the cost
[19:28] <inetpro> with proper planning it should be possible to deliver fibre as a service over a long run rather than as a business to make lots of money over a short period
[19:29] <magespawn> mtn is doing ftth, now you can get about 100Mbps with 100GB for R1300 odd rand a month, but only in a few limited places
[19:29] <charl> what's the point if you only have 100gb
[19:29] <charl> might as well forget about it, it kills it before it even starts
[19:29] <charl> i download 50gb in a day
[19:30] <magespawn> well the price will come down and data allowances will go up
[19:30] <charl> inetpro: either the government needs to invest or the community needs to do-it-yourself like in germany
[19:30] <charl> even for a start, 100gb is dismal, this is 2014
[19:30] <charl> they should start with 1tb at least
[19:30] <Kilos> lol
[19:30] <charl> no seriously Kilos you africans need to up your expectations
[19:31] <charl> this low expectation BS is ridiculous
[19:31] <magespawn> charl, that would be a lot by sa standards. the networks i watch here get away with less than that in a month
[19:31] <inetpro> charl: I agree with you
[19:31] <Kilos> im gonna make 2 months on a 2+1 bundle
[19:31] <Kilos> expectations dont bother the powers that be
[19:31] <magespawn> have uncapped adsl but rarely go over 30 gig a month
[19:32] <charl> they do it because they can get away with it
[19:32] <charl> because people are happy like that and fork over their hard earned cash
[19:32] <charl> no competition in the market means everybody loses
[19:32] <charl> except the few at the top who have houses in the carribean
[19:33] <Kilos> lol
[19:33] <charl> and the government sits by and probably gets kick backs
[19:33] <charl> and the people keep voting for the broken government because they don't know any better
[19:33] <charl> it's a cycle of poverty
[19:34] <charl> keep people dumb, uneducated, and keep yourself in power
[19:34] <charl> extreme case is north korea
[19:34] <magespawn> yup and keeping the internet away from people is one of the ways that the cycle keeps on going
[19:34] <charl> exactly magespawn 
[19:35] <magespawn> i always thought two of the ways to get people out of poverty would be if you could get every one online and every one with electricity
[19:36] <charl> that too but you need clean drinking water and food
[19:36] <charl> and you need good education and the right culture, a culture of thinking for yourself and challenging the norms
[19:36] <inetpro> they say the secret to happiness is low expectations but unfortunately expectations drive behavior
[19:36] <inetpro> the higher your expectations, the better you tend to perform
[19:36] <magespawn> with those two things you could take care of pretty much any other problems, simplistically put of course
[19:37] <charl> otherwise you end up like the arab spring countries, revolution and they end up in more mess than they were before, because once again they were being manipulated
[19:37] <charl> the internet can be used as much for mass manipulation and it can be used for mass education
[19:38] <magespawn> indeed
[19:38] <charl> it all depends on who you let do the education
[19:39] <charl> :)
[19:39] <charl> i should say "education" between quotes
[19:42] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:42] <Kilos> Maaz  watch them
[19:42] <Maaz> OK Kilos I'll keep an eye on them for you
[19:42] <charl> nn Kilos :)
[20:44] <magespawn> good night all