| skellat | brainwash: Numix pales in comparison or...? | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| skellat | Numix makes us look like W10? | 00:00 |
| ali1234 | i think he was just being random? | 00:00 |
| brainwash | nono.. http://cu88.deviantart.com/art/Numix-Theme-Windows-10-Technical-Preview-485934628 | 00:00 |
| ali1234 | wait, windows 10 is out? | 00:01 |
| brainwash | read carefully | 00:01 |
| brainwash | Technical Preview | 00:01 |
| ali1234 | i dont want to :) | 00:01 |
| ali1234 | i don't even understand any of this | 00:02 |
| skellat | Ubuntu may want phone/desktop convergence.... | 00:02 |
| skellat | ....but Numix will bring SYNERGY in visual elements of design | 00:03 |
| brainwash | Numix can change the world | 00:03 |
| ali1234 | i;m so confused | 00:03 |
| brainwash | I'm testing different operating systems right now, win 10 tech preview is one of them | 00:07 |
| brainwash | maybe I should test xubuntu 14.10 too :) | 00:07 |
| Unit193 | brainwash: Read the (lack of)privacy policy? | 00:08 |
| brainwash | of course | 00:08 |
| brainwash | they only want to steal your soul (and improve the windows experience) | 00:10 |
| brainwash | Unit193: any success with packaging systemd 215/216? | 00:10 |
| Unit193 | Slowly, it's always a "fun" one to do. | 00:18 |
| LinusTorvaldII | i wonder if that 10 preview will actually expire like they say | 00:58 |
| LinusTorvaldII | it may never expire | 00:59 |
| Noskcaj | ali1234, I've had the up directory crash again, still no idea how to reliably reproduce it | 07:46 |
| andrzejr | ali1234, so far noautogroup boot option seems to do the job for me. Really happy with that. | 08:27 |
| andrzejr | I wish it wasn't necessary or documented on the xubuntu download page, | 08:27 |
| brainwash | bluesabre: bug 1285440, last comment | 10:45 |
| ubottu | bug 1285440 in xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin (Ubuntu) "xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin "Switch Users" functionality" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1285440 | 10:45 |
| brainwash | someone wrote a python script for user switching | 10:45 |
| bluesabre | brainwash: ok, but there is really no need to include another script to switch users. If a user is capable of removing light-locker, they can certainly handle changing the switch-users command in whisker | 11:05 |
| bluesabre | we can ping gottcode to see if he wants to include something like that upstream | 11:07 |
| bluesabre | I'm also guessing that script still leaves the user session open in a separate, completely unprotected VT? | 11:10 |
| bluesabre | anyway, gotta run. I'll be uploading packages from https://launchpad.net/~bluesabre/+archive/ubuntu/lp1320560 tonight. Can you do some preliminary testing? | 11:13 |
| bluesabre | xfswitch-plugin and xfce4-panel will work with dm-tool or gdmflexiserver | 11:13 |
| bluesabre | the other two are patched to only use dm-tool | 11:13 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: if you get a chance, check out my light-locker branch and try it out | 11:16 |
| bluesabre | you'll have to install it (/usr/local is fine), and you can tweak the settings from dconf-editor (/apps/light-locker/) | 11:17 |
| bluesabre | from my testing, I was having issue unless I apt-get removed the installed light-locker, so maybe /usr is better | 11:18 |
| bluesabre | https://github.com/bluesabre/light-locker | 11:19 |
| elfy | evening all - apparently RC is at the end of the week | 17:04 |
| pleia2 | so... I know what I'm doing this weekend? | 17:09 |
| elfy | well | 17:10 |
| elfy | can't say as I'm that worried tbh | 17:10 |
| pleia2 | good | 17:11 |
| pleia2 | my usb sticks are unhappy, so I've been having the worst time | 17:11 |
| elfy | going to be too late to do anything much - and there's not any omg the sky fell in bugs about | 17:12 |
| * pleia2 nods | 17:12 | |
| elfy | pleia2: unetbootin has been causing me issues, dd works, the buntu disk creator ... | 17:12 |
| pleia2 | so, how do /you/ create usb sticks for testing? | 17:12 |
| elfy | has been working :) | 17:12 |
| elfy | I use whichever - I know I can boot unetbootin regardless of it giving the com32 error | 17:13 |
| pleia2 | dd left me with a 32-bit drive that had decompression errors, and a 64-bit with mountains of i/o errors | 17:13 |
| elfy | mmm | 17:13 |
| pleia2 | like this, right? sudo dd if=/data/software/ubuntu/xubuntu/testing/utopic-desktop-i386.iso of=/dev/sdc bs=4M; sync | 17:13 |
| * skellat confesses he burns optical media | 17:13 | |
| elfy | there is a bug somewhere | 17:13 |
| elfy | pleia2: I don't sync nor bs=4m | 17:14 |
| pleia2 | without bs doesn't it take like 100 ys? | 17:14 |
| * pleia2 reaches into bag 'o usb sticks and tries another | 17:14 | |
| elfy | don't notice that tbh - I'm usually doing something else and then it's "Oh yea - where's that stick ..." | 17:15 |
| elfy | pleia2: try the ubuntu tool - that's been working fine | 17:15 |
| elfy | skellat: well I'm glad I don't do that - I'd be buying stacks of the things :) | 17:16 |
| pleia2 | they've both been giving me headaches | 17:16 |
| pleia2 | then I submit bug reports and get "unetbootin? just dd it!" | 17:16 |
| pleia2 | 1027604480 bytes (1.0 GB) copied, 1.48843 s, 690 MB/s | 17:16 |
| elfy | pleia2: I'll see if I can dig up the last bug I saw | 17:16 |
| pleia2 | heh, ok | 17:16 |
| pleia2 | that took like 3 seconds | 17:16 |
| pleia2 | seems my other drives are wonky | 17:16 |
| elfy | oh - might even be the same bug - I do remember commenting something like "Who's going to use dd?" | 17:17 |
| elfy | lol - could be ;) | 17:17 |
| elfy | unetbootin has been a pain this cycle - almost as much as vbox | 17:20 |
| pleia2 | my usb stick just makes stuff up when it thinks it's writing to it with dd, all my old stuff is still there | 18:31 |
| pleia2 | 1027604480 bytes (1.0 GB) copied, 0.463047 s, 2.2 GB/s | 18:31 |
| pleia2 | lies and falsehoods! | 18:31 |
| elfy | not having a lot of luck there then | 18:32 |
| pleia2 | you'd think a tool like dd which I've used for like 100 years wouldn't be so faily with me | 18:32 |
| elfy | I had similar yesterday - don't use dd often so panicked a bit thinking I'd killed something I didn't want to | 18:33 |
| elfy | had to format the stick and then dd worked ok | 18:33 |
| pleia2 | haha, yeah, it's definitely sdc! | 18:33 |
| pleia2 | ah, maybe that's it then | 18:33 |
| elfy | yea - exactly the same scenario here :D | 18:33 |
| pleia2 | Hidden HPFS/NTFS | 18:33 |
| pleia2 | the heck is that | 18:33 |
| * pleia2 deletes | 18:33 | |
| elfy | but it said it worked and then it hadn't - formatted and then it said it worked and it had | 18:34 |
| pleia2 | dd trolls me | 18:34 |
| ElderDryas | pleia2: Is the "hidden" partition perhaps what's left over after dd does it's thing (i.e., a 2 gig stick and dd needing only 1 gig...I've seen that {the rest hidden} before)? | 18:36 |
| pleia2 | ElderDryas: nah, it's a goofy thing the drive shipped with, I've used this disk to store random workshop/conference files in the past | 18:37 |
| ElderDryas | seen that also...gparted to the rescue :) | 18:38 |
| pleia2 | fdisk 4evar | 18:39 |
| ElderDryas | nah...gui's forever (easier to click than type) | 18:40 |
| elfy | gparted told me that the usb was convinced it had a small fat16 partition at the beginning and nothing else | 18:41 |
| davmor2 | pleia2: parted forever, it's like the vim emacs wars all over again | 18:41 |
| pleia2 | new error upon booting from it "Missing operating system" | 18:41 |
| * pleia2 shakes fist | 18:42 | |
| pleia2 | I have to get back to work, I'll deal with use later, usb stick | 18:42 |
| elfy | :) | 18:42 |
| pleia2 | davmor2: haha :) | 18:42 |
| ElderDryas | "all over again"? when did it ever stop? | 18:44 |
| davmor2 | pleia2: it wasn't the secureboot bit you just removed was it? | 18:48 |
| pleia2 | if a usb stick has a secureboot bit I'm gonna throw it away | 18:48 |
| davmor2 | pleia2: no but if it is a boot media it might | 18:49 |
| davmor2 | pleia2: don't forget I don't know what you are using it for | 18:50 |
| pleia2 | I'm just dding an iso to it for iso testing | 18:50 |
| davmor2 | pleia2: yes so if the iso is 64bit then it will have the uefi/secure boot stuff on it | 18:51 |
| pleia2 | this is 32-bit | 18:52 |
| davmor2 | pleia2: it contains the menu that you select from | 18:52 |
| pleia2 | haven't tried the 64-bit one yet | 18:52 |
| davmor2 | pleia2: ah okay then, I don't know if uefi got moved to that too and secureboot didn't or not | 18:52 |
| ochosi | hmm, still haven't heard back from xnox about the black background in ubiquity | 21:14 |
| ochosi | i have a rather busy week and am abroad thu-sun, if any of you could ping him bout it, that'd be much appreciated! | 21:15 |
| ochosi | (background: he promised to take a look, since we couldn't find any relevant changes that would explain why there's no wallpaper shown in the installer in 14.10 while 14.04 worked/works fine) | 21:15 |
| brainwash | ochosi: heh, running out of time | 21:29 |
| ochosi | well yes | 21:29 |
| brainwash | ubuntu studio should be affected also I guess | 21:29 |
| brainwash | xnox seems to be somewhat inactive right now, or? | 21:30 |
| brainwash | I've pinged him some time ago, I've subscribed him to the bug report | 21:31 |
| ochosi | yeah, it's not easy to get a hold of him | 21:31 |
| ochosi | i guess if it would be a higher-priority bug, we would've already gotten it sorted | 21:32 |
| ochosi | but it's odd, i really took a look at the source and couldn't see any indication of why it wouldn't work anymore | 21:32 |
| brainwash | at least it's not the debian background :) | 21:32 |
| brainwash | I suspect that it's something caused by gnome -> gnome-settings-daemon? | 21:33 |
| brainwash | or is ubuntu-settings-daemon being used in this case? | 21:33 |
| ochosi | no idea | 21:34 |
| ochosi | the source that is responsible for setting the background seemed the same, is all i can say | 21:34 |
| brainwash | so literally.. nothing changed, but there is a black background now :/ | 21:35 |
| ochosi | well, that was my assessment | 21:36 |
| ochosi | i guess i wrong, obviously | 21:36 |
| ochosi | 'm | 21:36 |
| ochosi | but yeah, bluesabre also took a lot and didn't spot anything, which is why we need to ask and bug xnox | 21:36 |
| skellat | brainwash: I have no clue where we could go with LP Bug 1380775 as I'm having trouble understanding running gnome-shell atop Xubuntu | 21:49 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1380775 in xfce4-session (Ubuntu) "Logout box very long to come" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1380775 | 21:49 |
| brainwash | I've just added a comment | 21:50 |
| skellat | I'm tempted to say for 15.04 we might need start including "Breaks:" in packaging debian/control files increasingly to avoid inappropriate mixing and matching of components | 21:51 |
| brainwash | but maintaining these control changes adds more overhead | 21:52 |
| skellat | I know | 21:53 |
| skellat | That's why it is tempting but I recognize there is a cost to it | 21:53 |
| skellat | I'm marking LP Bug #1380194 as Opinion as that's a defaults settings request | 21:54 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1380194 in xfce4-terminal (Ubuntu) "Terminal emulator open menu after i press F1 or F10 key" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1380194 | 21:54 |
| brainwash | right, makes sense | 21:55 |
| skellat | Incidentally, I will say that AskUbuntu patrol has been horrific | 21:58 |
| skellat | People claiming they're running Xubuntu but tear everything out but xfwm4 and put in MATE instead... | 21:59 |
| skellat | :-\ | 21:59 |
| skellat | brainwash: Can you take a look at LP Bug 1379702? | 23:33 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1379702 in xubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "Hotkeys does not work or works wrong after few suspend/resume" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1379702 | 23:33 |
| skellat | I don't think that is an issue in xubuntu-meta | 23:33 |
| skellat | And bdmurray did a lazy dumping on us | 23:33 |
| brainwash | most likely xfce4-settings. the xfsettingsd process may be stuck or in some sort of idle state | 23:38 |
| brainwash | I'll add a comment later | 23:42 |
| brainwash | skellat: also, bug 1377651 | 23:44 |
| ubottu | bug 1377651 in xubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "ufw breaks sendto, even when disabled" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1377651 | 23:44 |
| brainwash | needs to be reassigned | 23:44 |
| skellat | Well, for LP Bug #1377651 that falls on ufw instead of xubuntu-meta so I think I'll reassign it | 23:45 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1377651 in xubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "ufw breaks sendto, even when disabled" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1377651 | 23:45 |
| brainwash | ok, thanks | 23:47 |
| skellat | That one is out of our basket now | 23:48 |
| bluesabre | hey brainwash | 23:50 |
| brainwash | hi bluesabre | 23:50 |
| bluesabre | have you had a chance to test those packages in my ppa? they should work, just looking for additional verification | 23:50 |
| brainwash | not yet, I'll have to reboot and then boot the daily iso (which I'll have to download first) | 23:53 |
| brainwash | but the packages need to be tested again after landing in -proposed | 23:54 |
| brainwash | so, you should be safe to just update the packages, or? | 23:54 |
| bluesabre | well, they'll land directly for utopic | 23:56 |
| bluesabre | give or take a few hours | 23:56 |
| bluesabre | :) | 23:56 |
| brainwash | mmmh, where are our testers? test some new packages and get a cookie :) | 23:57 |
| bluesabre | I'll probably go ahead and build a few alternate configs to test (one normal, one with gdm) | 23:58 |
| brainwash | should we really care about gdm that much? | 23:59 |
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