[00:00] <skellat> brainwash: Numix pales in comparison or...?
[00:00] <skellat> Numix makes us look like W10?
[00:00] <ali1234> i think he was just being random?
[00:00] <brainwash> nono.. http://cu88.deviantart.com/art/Numix-Theme-Windows-10-Technical-Preview-485934628
[00:01] <ali1234> wait, windows 10 is out?
[00:01] <brainwash> read carefully
[00:01] <brainwash> Technical Preview
[00:01] <ali1234> i dont want to :)
[00:02] <ali1234> i don't even understand any of this
[00:02] <skellat> Ubuntu may want phone/desktop convergence....
[00:03] <skellat> ....but Numix will bring SYNERGY in visual elements of design
[00:03] <brainwash> Numix can change the world
[00:03] <ali1234> i;m so confused
[00:07] <brainwash> I'm testing different operating systems right now, win 10 tech preview is one of them
[00:07] <brainwash> maybe I should test xubuntu 14.10 too :)
[00:08] <Unit193> brainwash: Read the (lack of)privacy policy?
[00:08] <brainwash> of course
[00:10] <brainwash> they only want to steal your soul (and improve the windows experience)
[00:10] <brainwash> Unit193: any success with packaging systemd 215/216?
[00:18] <Unit193> Slowly, it's always a "fun" one to do.
[00:58] <LinusTorvaldII> i wonder if that 10 preview will actually expire like they say
[00:59] <LinusTorvaldII> it may never expire
[07:46] <Noskcaj> ali1234, I've had the up directory crash again, still no idea how to reliably reproduce it
[08:27] <andrzejr> ali1234, so far noautogroup boot option seems to do the job for me. Really happy with that.
[08:27] <andrzejr> I wish it wasn't necessary or documented on the xubuntu download page,
[10:45] <brainwash> bluesabre: bug 1285440, last comment
[10:45] <brainwash> someone wrote a python script for user switching
[11:05] <bluesabre> brainwash: ok, but there is really no need to include another script to switch users. If a user is capable of removing light-locker, they can certainly handle changing the switch-users command in whisker
[11:07] <bluesabre> we can ping gottcode to see if he wants to include something like that upstream
[11:10] <bluesabre> I'm also guessing that script still leaves the user session open in a separate, completely unprotected VT?
[11:13] <bluesabre> anyway, gotta run. I'll be uploading packages from https://launchpad.net/~bluesabre/+archive/ubuntu/lp1320560 tonight.  Can you do some preliminary testing?
[11:13] <bluesabre> xfswitch-plugin and xfce4-panel will work with dm-tool or gdmflexiserver
[11:13] <bluesabre> the other two are patched to only use dm-tool
[11:16] <bluesabre> ochosi: if you get a chance, check out my light-locker branch and try it out
[11:17] <bluesabre> you'll have to install it (/usr/local is fine), and you can tweak the settings from dconf-editor (/apps/light-locker/)
[11:18] <bluesabre> from my testing, I was having issue unless I apt-get removed the installed light-locker, so maybe /usr is better
[11:19] <bluesabre> https://github.com/bluesabre/light-locker
[17:04] <elfy> evening all - apparently RC is at the end of the week 
[17:09] <pleia2> so... I know what I'm doing this weekend?
[17:10] <elfy> well
[17:10] <elfy> can't say as I'm that worried tbh
[17:11] <pleia2> good
[17:11] <pleia2> my usb sticks are unhappy, so I've been having the worst time
[17:12] <elfy> going to be too late to do anything much - and there's not any omg the sky fell in bugs about
[17:12]  * pleia2 nods
[17:12] <elfy> pleia2: unetbootin has been causing me issues, dd works, the buntu disk creator ... 
[17:12] <pleia2> so, how do /you/ create usb sticks for testing?
[17:12] <elfy> has been working :)
[17:13] <elfy> I use whichever - I know I can boot unetbootin regardless of it giving the com32 error
[17:13] <pleia2> dd left me with a 32-bit drive that had decompression errors, and a 64-bit with mountains of i/o errors
[17:13] <elfy> mmm 
[17:13] <pleia2> like this, right? sudo dd if=/data/software/ubuntu/xubuntu/testing/utopic-desktop-i386.iso of=/dev/sdc bs=4M; sync
[17:13]  * skellat confesses he burns optical media
[17:13] <elfy> there is a bug somewhere
[17:14] <elfy> pleia2: I don't sync nor bs=4m
[17:14] <pleia2> without bs doesn't it take like 100 ys?
[17:14]  * pleia2 reaches into bag 'o usb sticks and tries another
[17:15] <elfy> don't notice that tbh - I'm usually doing something else and then it's "Oh yea - where's that stick ..."
[17:15] <elfy> pleia2: try the ubuntu tool - that's been working fine
[17:16] <elfy> skellat: well I'm glad I don't do that - I'd be buying stacks of the things :)
[17:16] <pleia2> they've both been giving me headaches
[17:16] <pleia2> then I submit bug reports and get "unetbootin? just dd it!"
[17:16] <pleia2> 1027604480 bytes (1.0 GB) copied, 1.48843 s, 690 MB/s
[17:16] <elfy> pleia2: I'll see if I can dig up the last bug I saw
[17:16] <pleia2> heh, ok
[17:16] <pleia2> that took like 3 seconds
[17:16] <pleia2> seems my other drives are wonky
[17:17] <elfy> oh - might even be the same bug - I do remember commenting something like "Who's going to use dd?"
[17:17] <elfy> lol - could be ;)
[17:20] <elfy> unetbootin has been a pain this cycle - almost as much as vbox
[18:31] <pleia2> my usb stick just makes stuff up when it thinks it's writing to it with dd, all my old stuff is still there
[18:31] <pleia2> 1027604480 bytes (1.0 GB) copied, 0.463047 s, 2.2 GB/s
[18:31] <pleia2> lies and falsehoods!
[18:32] <elfy> not having a lot of luck there then 
[18:32] <pleia2> you'd think a tool like dd which I've used for like 100 years wouldn't be so faily with me
[18:33] <elfy> I had similar yesterday - don't use dd often so panicked a bit thinking I'd killed something I didn't want to
[18:33] <elfy> had to format the stick and then dd worked ok
[18:33] <pleia2> haha, yeah, it's definitely sdc!
[18:33] <pleia2> ah, maybe that's it then
[18:33] <elfy> yea - exactly the same scenario here :D
[18:33] <pleia2> Hidden HPFS/NTFS
[18:33] <pleia2> the heck is that
[18:33]  * pleia2 deletes
[18:34] <elfy> but it said it worked and then it hadn't - formatted and then it said it worked and it had
[18:34] <pleia2> dd trolls me
[18:36] <ElderDryas> pleia2: Is the "hidden" partition perhaps what's left over after dd does it's thing (i.e., a 2 gig stick and dd needing only 1 gig...I've seen that {the rest hidden} before)?
[18:37] <pleia2> ElderDryas: nah, it's a goofy thing the drive shipped with, I've used this disk to store random workshop/conference files in the past
[18:38] <ElderDryas> seen that also...gparted to the rescue :)
[18:39] <pleia2> fdisk 4evar
[18:40] <ElderDryas> nah...gui's forever (easier to click than type)
[18:41] <elfy> gparted told me that the usb was convinced it had a small fat16 partition at the beginning and nothing else
[18:41] <davmor2> pleia2: parted forever, it's like the vim emacs wars all over again
[18:41] <pleia2> new error upon booting from it "Missing operating system"
[18:42]  * pleia2 shakes fist
[18:42] <pleia2> I have to get back to work, I'll deal with use later, usb stick
[18:42] <elfy> :)
[18:42] <pleia2> davmor2: haha :)
[18:44] <ElderDryas> "all over again"?  when did it ever stop?
[18:48] <davmor2> pleia2: it wasn't the secureboot bit you just removed was it?
[18:48] <pleia2> if a usb stick has a secureboot bit I'm gonna throw it away
[18:49] <davmor2> pleia2: no but if it is a boot media it might
[18:50] <davmor2> pleia2: don't forget I don't know what you are using it for
[18:50] <pleia2> I'm just dding an iso to it for iso testing
[18:51] <davmor2> pleia2: yes so if the iso is 64bit then it will have the uefi/secure boot stuff on it
[18:52] <pleia2> this is 32-bit
[18:52] <davmor2> pleia2: it contains the menu that you select from
[18:52] <pleia2> haven't tried the 64-bit one yet
[18:52] <davmor2> pleia2: ah okay then, I don't know if uefi got moved to that too and secureboot didn't or not
[21:14] <ochosi> hmm, still haven't heard back from xnox about the black background in ubiquity
[21:15] <ochosi> i have a rather busy week and am abroad thu-sun, if any of you could ping him bout it, that'd be much appreciated!
[21:15] <ochosi> (background: he promised to take a look, since we couldn't find any relevant changes that would explain why there's no wallpaper shown in the installer in 14.10 while 14.04 worked/works fine)
[21:29] <brainwash> ochosi: heh, running out of time
[21:29] <ochosi> well yes
[21:29] <brainwash> ubuntu studio should be affected also I guess
[21:30] <brainwash> xnox seems to be somewhat inactive right now, or?
[21:31] <brainwash> I've pinged him some time ago, I've subscribed him to the bug report
[21:31] <ochosi> yeah, it's not easy to get a hold of him
[21:32] <ochosi> i guess if it would be a higher-priority bug, we would've already gotten it sorted
[21:32] <ochosi> but it's odd, i really took a look at the source and couldn't see any indication of why it wouldn't work anymore
[21:32] <brainwash> at least it's not the debian background :)
[21:33] <brainwash> I suspect that it's something caused by gnome -> gnome-settings-daemon?
[21:33] <brainwash> or is ubuntu-settings-daemon being used in this case?
[21:34] <ochosi> no idea
[21:34] <ochosi> the source that is responsible for setting the background seemed the same, is all i can say
[21:35] <brainwash> so literally.. nothing changed, but there is a black background now :/
[21:36] <ochosi> well, that was my assessment
[21:36] <ochosi> i guess i wrong, obviously
[21:36] <ochosi> 'm
[21:36] <ochosi> but yeah, bluesabre also took a lot and didn't spot anything, which is why we need to ask and bug xnox
[21:49] <skellat> brainwash: I have no clue where we could go with LP Bug 1380775 as I'm having trouble understanding running gnome-shell atop Xubuntu
[21:50] <brainwash> I've just added a comment
[21:51] <skellat> I'm tempted to say for 15.04 we might need start including "Breaks:" in packaging debian/control files increasingly to avoid inappropriate mixing and matching of components
[21:52] <brainwash> but maintaining these control changes adds more overhead
[21:53] <skellat> I know
[21:53] <skellat> That's why it is tempting but I recognize there is a cost to it
[21:54] <skellat> I'm marking LP Bug #1380194 as Opinion as that's a defaults settings request
[21:55] <brainwash> right, makes sense
[21:58] <skellat> Incidentally, I will say that AskUbuntu patrol has been horrific
[21:59] <skellat> People claiming they're running Xubuntu but tear everything out but xfwm4 and put in MATE instead...
[21:59] <skellat> :-\
[23:33] <skellat> brainwash: Can you take a look at LP Bug 1379702?
[23:33] <skellat> I don't think that is an issue in xubuntu-meta
[23:33] <skellat> And bdmurray did a lazy dumping on us
[23:38] <brainwash> most likely xfce4-settings. the xfsettingsd process may be stuck or in some sort of idle state
[23:42] <brainwash> I'll add a comment later
[23:44] <brainwash> skellat: also, bug 1377651
[23:44] <brainwash> needs to be reassigned
[23:45] <skellat> Well, for LP Bug #1377651 that falls on ufw instead of xubuntu-meta so I think I'll reassign it
[23:47] <brainwash> ok, thanks
[23:48] <skellat> That one is out of our basket now
[23:50] <bluesabre> hey brainwash
[23:50] <brainwash> hi bluesabre 
[23:50] <bluesabre> have you had a chance to test those packages in my ppa? they should work, just looking for additional verification
[23:53] <brainwash> not yet, I'll have to reboot and then boot the daily iso (which I'll have to download first)
[23:54] <brainwash> but the packages need to be tested again after landing in -proposed
[23:54] <brainwash> so, you should be safe to just update the packages, or?
[23:56] <bluesabre> well, they'll land directly for utopic
[23:56] <bluesabre> give or take a few hours
[23:56] <bluesabre> :)
[23:57] <brainwash> mmmh, where are our testers? test some new packages and get a cookie :)
[23:58] <bluesabre> I'll probably go ahead and build a few alternate configs to test (one normal, one with gdm)
[23:59] <brainwash> should we really care about gdm that much?