[00:00] brainwash: Numix pales in comparison or...? [00:00] Numix makes us look like W10? [00:00] i think he was just being random? [00:00] nono.. http://cu88.deviantart.com/art/Numix-Theme-Windows-10-Technical-Preview-485934628 [00:01] wait, windows 10 is out? [00:01] read carefully [00:01] Technical Preview [00:01] i dont want to :) [00:02] i don't even understand any of this [00:02] Ubuntu may want phone/desktop convergence.... [00:03] ....but Numix will bring SYNERGY in visual elements of design [00:03] Numix can change the world [00:03] i;m so confused [00:07] I'm testing different operating systems right now, win 10 tech preview is one of them [00:07] maybe I should test xubuntu 14.10 too :) [00:08] brainwash: Read the (lack of)privacy policy? [00:08] of course [00:10] they only want to steal your soul (and improve the windows experience) [00:10] Unit193: any success with packaging systemd 215/216? [00:18] Slowly, it's always a "fun" one to do. [00:58] i wonder if that 10 preview will actually expire like they say [00:59] it may never expire [07:46] ali1234, I've had the up directory crash again, still no idea how to reliably reproduce it [08:27] ali1234, so far noautogroup boot option seems to do the job for me. Really happy with that. [08:27] I wish it wasn't necessary or documented on the xubuntu download page, [10:45] bluesabre: bug 1285440, last comment [10:45] bug 1285440 in xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin (Ubuntu) "xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin "Switch Users" functionality" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1285440 [10:45] someone wrote a python script for user switching [11:05] brainwash: ok, but there is really no need to include another script to switch users. If a user is capable of removing light-locker, they can certainly handle changing the switch-users command in whisker [11:07] we can ping gottcode to see if he wants to include something like that upstream [11:10] I'm also guessing that script still leaves the user session open in a separate, completely unprotected VT? [11:13] anyway, gotta run. I'll be uploading packages from https://launchpad.net/~bluesabre/+archive/ubuntu/lp1320560 tonight. Can you do some preliminary testing? [11:13] xfswitch-plugin and xfce4-panel will work with dm-tool or gdmflexiserver [11:13] the other two are patched to only use dm-tool [11:16] ochosi: if you get a chance, check out my light-locker branch and try it out [11:17] you'll have to install it (/usr/local is fine), and you can tweak the settings from dconf-editor (/apps/light-locker/) [11:18] from my testing, I was having issue unless I apt-get removed the installed light-locker, so maybe /usr is better [11:19] https://github.com/bluesabre/light-locker [17:04] evening all - apparently RC is at the end of the week [17:09] so... I know what I'm doing this weekend? [17:10] well [17:10] can't say as I'm that worried tbh [17:11] good [17:11] my usb sticks are unhappy, so I've been having the worst time [17:12] going to be too late to do anything much - and there's not any omg the sky fell in bugs about [17:12] * pleia2 nods [17:12] pleia2: unetbootin has been causing me issues, dd works, the buntu disk creator ... [17:12] so, how do /you/ create usb sticks for testing? [17:12] has been working :) [17:13] I use whichever - I know I can boot unetbootin regardless of it giving the com32 error [17:13] dd left me with a 32-bit drive that had decompression errors, and a 64-bit with mountains of i/o errors [17:13] mmm [17:13] like this, right? sudo dd if=/data/software/ubuntu/xubuntu/testing/utopic-desktop-i386.iso of=/dev/sdc bs=4M; sync [17:13] * skellat confesses he burns optical media [17:13] there is a bug somewhere [17:14] pleia2: I don't sync nor bs=4m [17:14] without bs doesn't it take like 100 ys? [17:14] * pleia2 reaches into bag 'o usb sticks and tries another [17:15] don't notice that tbh - I'm usually doing something else and then it's "Oh yea - where's that stick ..." [17:15] pleia2: try the ubuntu tool - that's been working fine [17:16] skellat: well I'm glad I don't do that - I'd be buying stacks of the things :) [17:16] they've both been giving me headaches [17:16] then I submit bug reports and get "unetbootin? just dd it!" [17:16] 1027604480 bytes (1.0 GB) copied, 1.48843 s, 690 MB/s [17:16] pleia2: I'll see if I can dig up the last bug I saw [17:16] heh, ok [17:16] that took like 3 seconds [17:16] seems my other drives are wonky [17:17] oh - might even be the same bug - I do remember commenting something like "Who's going to use dd?" [17:17] lol - could be ;) [17:20] unetbootin has been a pain this cycle - almost as much as vbox [18:31] my usb stick just makes stuff up when it thinks it's writing to it with dd, all my old stuff is still there [18:31] 1027604480 bytes (1.0 GB) copied, 0.463047 s, 2.2 GB/s [18:31] lies and falsehoods! [18:32] not having a lot of luck there then [18:32] you'd think a tool like dd which I've used for like 100 years wouldn't be so faily with me [18:33] I had similar yesterday - don't use dd often so panicked a bit thinking I'd killed something I didn't want to [18:33] had to format the stick and then dd worked ok [18:33] haha, yeah, it's definitely sdc! [18:33] ah, maybe that's it then [18:33] yea - exactly the same scenario here :D [18:33] Hidden HPFS/NTFS [18:33] the heck is that [18:33] * pleia2 deletes [18:34] but it said it worked and then it hadn't - formatted and then it said it worked and it had [18:34] dd trolls me [18:36] pleia2: Is the "hidden" partition perhaps what's left over after dd does it's thing (i.e., a 2 gig stick and dd needing only 1 gig...I've seen that {the rest hidden} before)? [18:37] ElderDryas: nah, it's a goofy thing the drive shipped with, I've used this disk to store random workshop/conference files in the past [18:38] seen that also...gparted to the rescue :) [18:39] fdisk 4evar [18:40] nah...gui's forever (easier to click than type) [18:41] gparted told me that the usb was convinced it had a small fat16 partition at the beginning and nothing else [18:41] pleia2: parted forever, it's like the vim emacs wars all over again [18:41] new error upon booting from it "Missing operating system" [18:42] * pleia2 shakes fist [18:42] I have to get back to work, I'll deal with use later, usb stick [18:42] :) [18:42] davmor2: haha :) [18:44] "all over again"? when did it ever stop? [18:48] pleia2: it wasn't the secureboot bit you just removed was it? [18:48] if a usb stick has a secureboot bit I'm gonna throw it away [18:49] pleia2: no but if it is a boot media it might [18:50] pleia2: don't forget I don't know what you are using it for [18:50] I'm just dding an iso to it for iso testing [18:51] pleia2: yes so if the iso is 64bit then it will have the uefi/secure boot stuff on it [18:52] this is 32-bit [18:52] pleia2: it contains the menu that you select from [18:52] haven't tried the 64-bit one yet [18:52] pleia2: ah okay then, I don't know if uefi got moved to that too and secureboot didn't or not [21:14] hmm, still haven't heard back from xnox about the black background in ubiquity [21:15] i have a rather busy week and am abroad thu-sun, if any of you could ping him bout it, that'd be much appreciated! [21:15] (background: he promised to take a look, since we couldn't find any relevant changes that would explain why there's no wallpaper shown in the installer in 14.10 while 14.04 worked/works fine) [21:29] ochosi: heh, running out of time [21:29] well yes [21:29] ubuntu studio should be affected also I guess [21:30] xnox seems to be somewhat inactive right now, or? [21:31] I've pinged him some time ago, I've subscribed him to the bug report [21:31] yeah, it's not easy to get a hold of him [21:32] i guess if it would be a higher-priority bug, we would've already gotten it sorted [21:32] but it's odd, i really took a look at the source and couldn't see any indication of why it wouldn't work anymore [21:32] at least it's not the debian background :) [21:33] I suspect that it's something caused by gnome -> gnome-settings-daemon? [21:33] or is ubuntu-settings-daemon being used in this case? [21:34] no idea [21:34] the source that is responsible for setting the background seemed the same, is all i can say [21:35] so literally.. nothing changed, but there is a black background now :/ [21:36] well, that was my assessment [21:36] i guess i wrong, obviously [21:36] 'm [21:36] but yeah, bluesabre also took a lot and didn't spot anything, which is why we need to ask and bug xnox [21:49] brainwash: I have no clue where we could go with LP Bug 1380775 as I'm having trouble understanding running gnome-shell atop Xubuntu [21:49] Launchpad bug 1380775 in xfce4-session (Ubuntu) "Logout box very long to come" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1380775 [21:50] I've just added a comment [21:51] I'm tempted to say for 15.04 we might need start including "Breaks:" in packaging debian/control files increasingly to avoid inappropriate mixing and matching of components [21:52] but maintaining these control changes adds more overhead [21:53] I know [21:53] That's why it is tempting but I recognize there is a cost to it [21:54] I'm marking LP Bug #1380194 as Opinion as that's a defaults settings request [21:54] Launchpad bug 1380194 in xfce4-terminal (Ubuntu) "Terminal emulator open menu after i press F1 or F10 key" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1380194 [21:55] right, makes sense [21:58] Incidentally, I will say that AskUbuntu patrol has been horrific [21:59] People claiming they're running Xubuntu but tear everything out but xfwm4 and put in MATE instead... [21:59] :-\ [23:33] brainwash: Can you take a look at LP Bug 1379702? [23:33] Launchpad bug 1379702 in xubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "Hotkeys does not work or works wrong after few suspend/resume" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1379702 [23:33] I don't think that is an issue in xubuntu-meta [23:33] And bdmurray did a lazy dumping on us [23:38] most likely xfce4-settings. the xfsettingsd process may be stuck or in some sort of idle state [23:42] I'll add a comment later [23:44] skellat: also, bug 1377651 [23:44] bug 1377651 in xubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "ufw breaks sendto, even when disabled" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1377651 [23:44] needs to be reassigned [23:45] Well, for LP Bug #1377651 that falls on ufw instead of xubuntu-meta so I think I'll reassign it [23:45] Launchpad bug 1377651 in xubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "ufw breaks sendto, even when disabled" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1377651 [23:47] ok, thanks [23:48] That one is out of our basket now [23:50] hey brainwash [23:50] hi bluesabre [23:50] have you had a chance to test those packages in my ppa? they should work, just looking for additional verification [23:53] not yet, I'll have to reboot and then boot the daily iso (which I'll have to download first) [23:54] but the packages need to be tested again after landing in -proposed [23:54] so, you should be safe to just update the packages, or? [23:56] well, they'll land directly for utopic [23:56] give or take a few hours [23:56] :) [23:57] mmmh, where are our testers? test some new packages and get a cookie :) [23:58] I'll probably go ahead and build a few alternate configs to test (one normal, one with gdm) [23:59] should we really care about gdm that much?